Can provocative internet forums be shut down??

darkman2

Hi - now there are numerous sites on the internet I would really like to see done away with but one particular site has caught my attention over the last couple of days for its hugely biggoted and, frankly, racist clientel which clutter its forum. This particular site was set up under the auspicous of a 'PUL resource' - 'Protestant, Unionist, Loyalist' - in the North of Ireland. Fair enough, no problem with that. This site supports Willie Frazier and people of his ilk and has given an open forum to the worst kind of racist, biggoted attitudes ive seen demonstrated probrably anywhere id have to say.

Anyway here is an example of only the latest such post on this forum which is available for all to see.

Why didn't the UK purge all *hostile* Catholics from its Ulster province like the Irish Hate State systematically cleansed practically ALL Protestants from its territory? I guess because unlike them we are not monsters. These Nazi sympathisers refused to stand up to Hitler during World War II out of solidalatory with their socialist comrades and their virulent hatred for their fellow Brits. Chief Irish hate-monger and FemiNazi Mary McAleese, who squats in the position that rightfully belongs to Her Majesty the Queen, even had the nerve to label the British people of Ulster Nazis. Well like Hitler, she's the sicko socialist and she's living in the "country" that aligned itself with them during the War. The "country" whose president sent condolences on hearing about the suicide of their hero Hitler. The "country" which refused to observe a blackout thus helping the German bombers to locate cities in Ulster with ease. What a great legacy that the evil Hate State has to be proud of!


The nationalist occupation forces of the 26
counties must be crushed.

The only reason there's not a strong movement in the Irish Hate State to reunfiy with the rest of the UK (where it belongs) is because the Hate State gave it its best shot of removing as many Protestants as it could to silence dissent amongst the ranks. Their numbers have been dessimated by over 90% since Southern Ireland was absurdely allowed to break away from the rest of the country. The (temporary) loss of the 26 occupied counties will no doubt go down as the biggest act of lunacy and cowardice in the Nation's history.

There's only a problem in Ulster of course because of all the Irish Catholics with their delusions of grandeur occupying the place, refusing to accept Britain's rightful sovereignty over Ulster (and all of Ireland for that matter) and their psychotic hatred of the country where they live. Notice I said IRISH Catholics as there are Ulster Catholics who accept the reality that they are BRITISH and they favor the Union. Those are decent enough people and we appreciate and thank them for their support. They are only deluded in their "religion" rather than their nationality.

The Irish Catholic cretins however, like filthy third worlders breed like rabbits. They spread like a cancer, infesting and destroying everything that they come into contact with, (and no birth control for these slime on the orders of their Hitler-Youth dictator who leads the wacky cult that they've been brainwashed into following).


The Nazi trained Pope, leader of the most
infectious cult the world has ever seen.

I strongly suggest that if the population of protestants every becomes so dangerously low in Ulster that the Union is put at risk than the government as a matter of urgency should offer cash incentives for mainlanders to move there to remedy the situation. Patriotic people that support the union between Ireland and Great Britain are always welcome!

It was bad enough we lost the 26 nationalist occupied counties when we DIDN'T have to. States have a right to territorial integrity and to defend that territorial integrity and Britain should have simply REFUSED the "Irish" extremists outrageous demands. We certainly shouldn't have to go through any further humiliation of losing more territory to some Naziesque statelet built on illogical seperatist mentality, extreme hatred and violence and the most insidicous of propoganda.

Propoganda that even extends to relabelling world atlases to remove any reference to the name of the archipelago that Ireland belongs - which is the BRITISH ISLES - (hmmm Communism anyone?), my how absolutely pathetic and desperate and it shows the insecurity this alleged legitimate "country" has about its ill-gotten independence. The Irish nationalist has to lie to justify his existance.


What's so hard to understand? Ulster is British. Always has been and ALWAYS will be!

Get the Irish OUT of Ulster! Transfer them to over the border into the banana republic, which is not even a real country it is a rogue state with no right to its existance! The Irish Hate State is just a PART of a country that broke off from a REAL country - the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND - and its re admitance to that union is frankly so long overdue it is begining to hurt). The Hate State is the "country" that the Irish keep insisting and ranting on about that they belong to so why don't they move there and leave us all in peace.

Either shape up or ship out. We don't need these ant-British traitors. The English and Scottish can take their place. Get the hell out Paddy and the same goes to you violent hateful Muslims that are slowely but ever so surely taking over Europe, go join the other millions of paranoid psychophrenic losers squatting in the south west corner of OUR British Isles and take your repugnant terrorist state's flag with you.

Enjoy your days undermining our sovereignty as long as you can because they are coming to and end. Your days of living in your Irish fantasy land are well and truely numbered. Good WILL triumph over this evil and this insulting, ridiculous, outrageous hateful creation from the pits of hell itself called "The Republic of Ireland" will be finally aninihlated once and for all!


Hitler is the patron saint of ALL Muslims.

Now, I know what your going to say and I agree - whoever posts this kind of rubbish is obviously a nutcase however thats some of the lesser stuff ive seen on this site. So my question is what does it take for one of these sites to be shut down? Can it be shut down? Not just that site btw, other sites that are equal or worse to the type of hatred on display there. Anyway be interested to here views on this as these type of forums are becoming quite common and it does actually concern me that this seems to be allowed to happen unchecked.

Victor

You could mention it to http://www.iwf.org.uk/ assuming they are UK based.

robinph

Doesn't seem that different to other posts that sometimes crop up here in various threads criticising the UK but aimed in the opposite direction, slightly more OTT language being used but basically the same thing.

I do like this line though:

Internet Nutter wrote:

Those are decent enough people and we appreciate and thank them for their support. They are only deluded in their "religion" rather than their nationality.

I think that they are all deluded in any religion, that being the cause of half the wars that ever happen.

Fratton Fred

this is race hate as far as I can see, which is a criminal offence in the UK.

Slow Motion

It's the interweb, go figure ! Muppets like this will always be able to put forward their points of view and to be honest I don't have a problem with it because I can put forward mine which will ridicule and pour scorn on them !

digitally-yours

I think in west we believe in free speech ?:D


And by saying that i in no way agree or disagree to any of those comments !

How many people actually read these sites? Not many I'd say.

Stephen

Wow, scum. I like how this particular jizz-rag godwinned himself in his own post though.

Jumpy

Stephen wrote:

Wow, scum. I like how this particular jizz-rag godwinned himself in his own post though.

Indeed. Lost before it even began.

Although is there some sort of waiver for Nazi forums though?

0ubliette

You cant shut them down as it would be a violation of free speech, no matter how misguided that speech may be. However, console yourself with the fact that this idiot will spend the rest of his life waiting in vain for the day when the UK 'reclaims the hate state' and crushes all us Catholics with it. It wont happen, and hes going to spend the rest of his life pissed off and angry, possibly giving himself a nasty case of piles in the process.

Stephen

He seems to assume that we're all catholics. What about me and the other godless heathens? Where do we fit on his scale of evil?

0ubliette

Stephen wrote:

He seems to assume that we're all catholics. What about me and the other godless heathens? Where do we fit on his scale of evil?

Somewhere near the upper middle secion of the 'ladder of hate™', with the muslims and unmarried mothers

Fratton Fred

0ubliette wrote:

You cant shut them down as it would be a violation of free speech, no matter how misguided that speech may be. However, console yourself with the fact that this idiot will spend the rest of his life waiting in vain for the day when the UK 'reclaims the hate state' and crushes all us Catholics with it. It wont happen, and hes going to spend the rest of his life pissed off and angry, possibly giving himself a nasty case of piles in the process.

I bet he has a small manhood and was bullied for it at school:rolleyes:

um7y1h83ge06nx

Quite extreme I must say, although extreme views come from both sides of the 'fence'.

It would be funny though if he mouthed all that off in some pubs around the country, probably wouldn't get past the first paragraph.

darkman2

Enjoy your days undermining our sovereignty as long as you can because they are coming to and end. Your days of living in your Irish fantasy land are well and truely numbered. Good WILL triumph over this evil and this insulting, ridiculous, outrageous hateful creation from the pits of hell itself called "The Republic of Ireland" will be finally aninihlated once and for all!

LOL! - after re-reading his post ive come to the conclusion he must be a comedian.


Thanks for that link Victor. So there is mechanisms for complaint........might do that so.

looksee

Yes, well I've been systematically cleansed, I just had a nice shower.

He seems to have missed the Protestant president in the Republic?

Whatever about anti-Brit sentiments (which seem to be dying down at last) I have never come across any personal anti-Protestant stuff from lay people in 30 - odd years here. Its true there is/was a fair amount of contempt towards me by the official representatives of the Catholic church, but I suppose when you have signed up for something you are bound to feel defensive/threatened/superior, its human nature.

For whatever reason the person quoted in the OP's first post has this problem in spades. I think it should be treated with the contempt it deserves, its not rational or helpful towards a healthy society. Why do people get so het up about other people's beliefs, and so determined to disseminate their own? (Thats a rhetorical question )

Marksie

Well, look this guy has a law named after him in canada:
http://totl.net/Cult/cult.php3?id=2000-07-07-chick

The Chick/Phelps Law on religious hatred.

His site is still up an running.

Where do you stop once you start?

Banning forums or threads for antibritish sentiment? anti-americanism, or whatever?

Fratton Fred

Marksie wrote:

Well, look this guy has a law named after him in canada:
http://totl.net/Cult/cult.php3?id=2000-07-07-chick

The Chick/Phelps Law on religious hatred.

His site is still up an running.

Where do you stop once you start?

Banning forums or threads for antibritish sentiment? anti-americanism, or whatever?

I agree to an extent, but what we have is a world where free speach is ok as long as it's directed at individuals or races and can be as spite filled as you like, but mention a commercial organisation with lawyers and they can shut you down and bankrupt you.

SimpleSam06

Fratton Fred wrote:

I agree to an extent, but what we have is a world where free speach is ok as long as it's directed at individuals or races and can be as spite filled as you like, but mention a commercial organisation with lawyers and they can shut you down and bankrupt you.

Bingo, just sign up and flood the place with Scientology scripture and lists of warez sites. It'll be down in a week.

Crucifix

That was absolutely Godwin-tastic.

What was with that bit at the end?

Hitler is the patron saint of ALL Muslims

Gone West

goodwins law, didnt read.

biko

Yeah, Calton is one crazy forum. I was a member for a while and tried to get into the mindset of these people but got so much abuse I just had to leave.
Mind, most posters were ok or even open to dialogue but a few were hardcore free-stater haters.

Marksie

Fratton Fred wrote:

I agree to an extent, but what we have is a world where free speach is ok as long as it's directed at individuals or races and can be as spite filled as you like, but mention a commercial organisation with lawyers and they can shut you down and bankrupt you.

Unfortunately they have the better lawyers.

As one of the prosecutors of OJ once told me, the law has nothing to do with justice

thebman

The Internet is about free speech. You can bad mouth organisations all you like, you just can't spout lies especially if you are another company and that has always been wrong.

Its important that the Internet isn't heavily censored as otherwise the people in charge have too much power over information.

The only illegal content on the Internet that I'm aware of that I fully support banning is child porn

PeakOutput

didnt read the hole thread but seriously if you dont like what they are saying dont read it

they are entitled to whatever views they wish and they are entitled to talk about their beliefs no matter how bigotted or prejudice they are its what makes the world go round

Who decides whose opinions should be allowed?

If its shutdown, chances are it would just be rehosted anonymously on a "bullet proof" hosting site.

Binomate

0ubliette wrote:

You cant shut them down as it would be a violation of free speech, no matter how misguided that speech may be. However, console yourself with the fact that this idiot will spend the rest of his life waiting in vain for the day when the UK 'reclaims the hate state' and crushes all us Catholics with it. It wont happen, and hes going to spend the rest of his life pissed off and angry, possibly giving himself a nasty case of piles in the process.

Free speech does not exist the way you described it. If the content of that website violates the hosts terms of service then you can aleart the host and they may take it down. If it is privatly hosted, you can see if the content violates the ISP's terms of service. If so, you can email them and have them stop their service to the owner. If the owner has his very own isp and the content of the site is unlawful, then you can contact the state authorities and have him arrested. You just have to keep on going up and up, untill you find your solution. Only if the content does not violate any of the terms of service will it be impossible for the site to be removed.

Duggy747

Hmm, the internet is about free speech! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if they weren't...........well, I'd say a lot of us here would be locked up. I get angry when I hear about Internet censorship in China, Mid-East, basically in a lot of Asian countries where people are jailed for their views on government or anything that will contradict the government in power. One man was jailed after posting on his blog supporting Western troops.

As for that guy the OP posted about, whatever about free speech, I'd like to show him some "luck of the Irish", a good ol' 'Paddy' beat-down. Can't stand chest-thumping Brits who proclaims we belong to the Queen, pffft!!!

Tha Gopher

Im for freedom of speech within limits. This is just mindless waffle, let him go on about "Irish Nazi soloodatary (sic)" its not like anyone gives a sh1te what he thinks.

ctc_celtic

i wouldn't worry to much about a 'mouth' like this. if he hadn't of spouted so much BS, maybe his point would hold more weight, but this is just the usual hard-line bull.
these people try and stir-up hate in the minorities and most don't even believe their own BS. it would be easy to post a reply and point out the inaccuracies of his points, but that would be only fueling his deluded mind.
Let them say what they want and i'll pop by the forum every now and again, when i need a laugh.

TwoShedsJackson

Give 'em enough rope etc. etc.