Lipotrim or Get Real??

Babybass

Hi,
I have a serious amount of weight to lose (10st) - I had decided that I was going to go and start Lipotrim tomorrow (well, today) but I have been doing some research - and every fibre in my (very large) body tells me that it probably is a bad idea - and that I will still have the same problems with food and exercise at the end of it all.
My other option is to just get real about the whole thing and stop hiding. Join a gym and eat properly. The problem is that i have a great fear of gyms - and generally being seen in public (I hate going outside as i feel self conscious). So I was going to get a personal trainer - but i do not know if its the best way to go. I have very low fitness (eg if skipping i can do about 50 and then i die) so would i be wasting a trainers time at the moment. I think i could force myself into a gym but wouldn't know where to start - i'd probably injure myself!! I could join a women only gym (such as curves) but think that i would prefer a bit more variety than doing the same circuit for the next 5 million years!!!:p
I am confussed and do not know where to start - I need to be pointed in the right general direction!!
Thanks!!!!

wasabi

Hi Babybass,

In your shoes I wouldn't worry hugely about the gym for a little while. With that much weight to lose the good news is once you get diet sorted it should start coming off really fast even without exercise. For weight loss diet is really more important than exercise.

So spend the next few weeks focusing on your diet - have you read the diet and nutrition sticky on this board? You can post up your proposed daily diet here for comment if you like, too. For exercise even just start walking and work up the time and distance.

When you feel you've got those aspects under control, then worry about the gym. I think most of us here would recommend a decent free weights gym over Curves. A good personal trainer is not a bad idea to get you started.

You could also spend some reading up on exercise and specifically weight training, as that is what will help you preserve your lean body mass and stop your metabolism crashing. www.exrx.net and www.stumptuous.com are good sites.

Best of luck.

Sleepy

Your natural instincts are right - Lipotrim is evil.

wasabi's advice is bang on the money. Good luck with it!

Saruman

Lipotrim will work, my wife was on it but its very hard to deal with. In fact she just started on it again so we will see how she does.
There are side effects. The one she experienced was chest pains, possibly due to her breast bone contracting or something. she lost about 3 stone in as many months.

Hanley

Saruman wrote:

Lipotrim will work, my wife was on it but its very hard to deal with. In fact she just started on it again so we will see how she does.
There are side effects. The one she experienced was chest pains, possibly due to her breast bone contracting or something. she lost about 3 stone in as many months.

If it's so great then why did she have to do it again?

sickpuppy

Get real is the answer my flat mate went on it he was about 5foot 7inches 14 stone lost 10 pounds the first week 5 the second went off it and its all back.If you are severly overweight light exercise to begin with and dietarychanges will mean the weight will come off gradually but them crash diets fads whatebver ucall them are awaste,just be prepared for the long haul and you should be fine.

LegacyUser

Hanley wrote:

If it's so great then why did she have to do it again?

Exactly...

Saruman

Hanley wrote:

If it's so great then why did she have to do it again?

Eh... what part of what i said made you think it was great? Sorry no offense but you appear to be reading words that are not there..

As to why she did it again? Simple.. she stopped before she got to her ideal weight. She was keeping it steady then until we went to the states for 3 weeks and both put on a stone or more in the first week! Crazy portions over there.

So she is going on it again to get down to her ideal weight and then she can try combat it through proper eating and exercise etc.

Lipotrim is not Great and no where did i indicate i thought this was the case.. however it does work. I was simply stating too facts.. it works and it has nasty side effects.
I have no illusions that its dangerous and not worth doing unless you are very overweight and nothing else is working.

Get over yourself and learn to read before replying.

rediguana

Saruman wrote:

Get over yourself and learn to read before replying.

Haha - fair play, Saruman. Those guys put the "stoopid" in "stoopido".

Sangre

Saruman wrote:

As to why she did it again? Simple.. she stopped before she got to her ideal weight. She was keeping it steady then until we went to the states for 3 weeks and both put on a stone or more in the first week! Crazy portions over there.

More like her metabolism was shot to crap causing massive weight gain.

p.s. you don't have to eat everything on your plate

ali.c

Saruman wrote:

Lipotrim will work, my wife was on it but its very hard to deal with. In fact she just started on it again so we will see how she does.
There are side effects. The one she experienced was chest pains, possibly due to her breast bone contracting or something. she lost about 3 stone in as many months.

yes lipotrim works at dropping the weight, however some of the weight lost in muscle. Muscle is active tissue and burns calories purely by existing. In the event of a famine (i.e. in this case lipotrim) the body will drop this costly tissue and therefore lower the overall metabolic consumption of the individual.

Your metabolism is very important and it is not something to messed around with lightly. Yes it is quick and yes you do get results, however you can be skiny and fat which is still not healthy. You would be putting your body under the tremendous stress (i.e. famine situation) and can cause horrendous side effects.

Of course changing your lifestyle is hard work and will take a significant amount of time. If you do this while dropping the weight, when you reach your ideal weight you will have the benifit of having developed good healthy habits along the way.

LegacyUser

Sangre wrote:

More like her metabolism was shot to crap causing massive weight gain.

p.s. you don't have to eat everything on your plate

Exactly! Some people...

Kinetic^

What Hanley said was right so let's not descend into another thread of how Lipotrim is either the win or lose!!! It's the lose!!!!

OP, as Wasabi said, get your diet sorted, the weight will drop off.

Hanley

Saruman wrote:

Eh... what part of what i said made you think it was great? Sorry no offense but you appear to be reading words that are not there..

As to why she did it again? Simple.. she stopped before she got to her ideal weight. She was keeping it steady then until we went to the states for 3 weeks and both put on a stone or more in the first week! Crazy portions over there.

So she is going on it again to get down to her ideal weight and then she can try combat it through proper eating and exercise etc.

Lipotrim is not Great and no where did i indicate i thought this was the case.. however it does work. I was simply stating too facts.. it works and it has nasty side effects.
I have no illusions that its dangerous and not worth doing unless you are very overweight and nothing else is working.

Get over yourself and learn to read before replying.

How about you take your head out of your sand and open up your eyes to what ACTUALLY happened?

You wife DID NOT put on 1 stone in a week in the US because of the portion sizes. She put it one because her metabolism was shot to bits and she didn't have the self control to stop her self from eating too much. I would imagine it's only natural to go on a massive binge when you go without real food for so long.

You said lipotrim works, I took that to mean it's effective, and good at making you lose weight. "great" at helping to lose weight was the next progression, a bit pre-emptive of me perhaps. But if it wasn't good she wouldn't be doing it again. Would you not agree?

Also, NOTHING else was working for her?? Nothing at all?? Exercise didn't work? Changing her diet and eating a kcal deficit didn't work? Less carbs, more protein and more healthy fats didn't work? That's what you're inferring.

Telling me to "get over myself" is just plain childish. Despite what you might think I don't have a big head. You're confusing confidence with arrogance. I've worked very fcuking hard for everything I've achieved and plan on much bigger things. In normal conversation I'll do everything I can to avoid gym talk because normal people don't get it. THey're all about quick fixes. Sort of like Lipotrim and fad diets.

THe idea of them makes me sick to my stomach. People are so concerned with the here and now, and think that once they hit their "ideal" weight they'll be happy and stay there, but in reality it's just not the case. THe same habits that got them overweight in the first place will just come back to haunt them and while they might look good for a few weeks, or maybe even a couple of months, more often than not in a years time they'll be in as bad a state again because they didn't learn anything about healthy eating and weight management.

It's a shame really because if someone has the willpower to starve themselves for a long period of time then going about it the right (read: safe and effective over the long term) shouldn't be a problem.

Caryatnid

Hanley wrote:

How about you take your head out of your sand and open up your eyes to what ACTUALLY happened?
You wife DID NOT put on 1 stone in a week in the US because of the portion sizes. She put it one because her metabolism was shot to bits and she didn't have the self control to stop her self from eating too much. I would imagine it's only natural to go on a massive binge when you go without real food for so long.

Ok so how did Saruman put on the equal amount of weight. If it's natural to go on a 'massive binge', I also believe it is 'natural' to eat small proportions after a serious diet like lipotrim.

Hanley wrote:

You said lipotrim works, I took that to mean it's effective, and good at making you lose weight. "great" at helping to lose weight was the next progression, a bit pre-emptive of me perhaps. But if it wasn't good she wouldn't be doing it again. Would you not agree?

Well, I wouldn't agree for the following reason. Lipotrim is an extremely hard diet, and it's also not a practical one for if you want to go out for dinner/on holidays and sample the food. For that reason most users will use it for a short period, come off it and eat normal food - ideally trying to eat a healthy and balanced diet - and then go on it again when the time suits them. Also if you were, as in the OP's case, 10stone overweight, I wouldn't think it would be a good idea for your body to lose 10stone fairly rapidly without getting breaks - so in the OPs case, I think she should start it, stop for a while, and go on it again. Basically what I'm trying to say is that the reason Saruman's wife is going on it again, is because it's 'good' - if it didn't work, she wouldn't be doing it again. Would you not agree?

Hanley wrote:

Also, NOTHING else was working for her?? Nothing at all?? Exercise didn't work? Changing her diet and eating a kcal deficit didn't work? Less carbs, more protein and more healthy fats didn't work? That's what you're inferring.

Perhaps you haven't met any overweight people before. Some people get overweight because they are lazy and fat. Some people get overweight because they have extremely low metabolisms, or maybe have a health issue that prevents them exercising. Other people simply don't have the willpower to eat less. I think it's perfectly believable that nothing else was working for Saruman's wife - and perhaps perfectly obvious if she took such an extreme route as Lipotrim.

Telling me to "get over myself" is just plain childish. Despite what you might think I don't have a big head. You're confusing confidence with arrogance. I've worked very fcuking hard for everything I've achieved and plan on much bigger things. In normal conversation I'll do everything I can to avoid gym talk because normal people don't get it. THey're all about quick fixes. Sort of like Lipotrim and fad diets.

So now to the OP.
OP, I reckon that if you are 10stone overweight, then that is a lot, and, quite simply, you'd be healthier if you were skinnier. Fair enough to ali.c who points out you can be skinny and fat, I totally agree with that. However there is a line as to how much weight you can put on and still be healthy, and surely +10 stone is enough. The fact is, that if you lose weight, your heart will be happier, your bones will be happier, and you will be happier. (Pls don't infer I'm saying skinny = happy, I just mean healthwise).

I have seen Lipotrim work. With only positive side-effects. Perhaps there are bad side effects. To the OP I think that you do need to lose the weight. However I think it should be a last option, and only after you have tried all the diets/eating healthy generally/cutting down/not eating crap/going to the gym/exercising. If you are too nervous to go to the gym, you could start by walking - do you have a friend to walk with? I'm nervous going to the gym myself, as gyms are typically places where people check out how fit everyone else is.......however you should really just let them look at you. Who cares. You're bettering yourself and if let them stare away - if you stick with the gym, it can't not work. I defo recommend getting some help and a training plan from a personal trainer. They will help tell you the things you need to do, and how to do them right, suitable for your body. The gym is hard, but it's definitely the best route. When you are fit, you are so much happier, sleep less and better - and obviously your body is happier. You can't get that from dieting alone.

If you try everything, and fail, can't stick with the gym or whatever, then go for Lipotrim. I think that if you go to your doctor about it and talk about it, and then I suggest losing a stone on Lipotrim, eat food and let your body stabalise and learn how to stay at that -1stone weight, then go on Lipotrim again etc. That's my opinion anyway. Particularly if you lost 10stone in a short space of time your skin won't be able to keep up.

Take care, OP, and PM me if you like.

Babybass

Hi - Thanks for the advice. I have decided to abandon all hope of a miracle cure!! Its not as if I woke up one morning with an extra person attached to me - so I cannot expect to lose weight quickly. I know that it is a long road ahead and I am ok with that!
I have decided to go the gym route and watch what I eat - I have joined the VHI diet thingy online and that seems to be nutritionally sound. I was bulemic for a number of years and that sort of scared me off diets!! I posted on the fitness section as (if you can believe this) in my 30 years I have never - ever - been fit!! I am past wanting to be a size 8 or even 12 - I think that people of all sizes can be fit - and if I get my diet sorted and my fitness level up to where I want it then whatever size my body is happy with is ok with me!
So - I will join a gym - I know i will not get too much use out of it in the begining but I need to get into the habit of exercising so it becomes part of my routine. And I will get a personal trainer - if I can find one - as I need to be pointed in the right direction and I need encouragement!
I know some people have posted that I should sort out my diet first and then worry about gym - but I have PCOS (poly cystic ovaries) and it makes losing weight harder - but gaining weight easy - so I think I need the extra push! And, if I can get exercise to be a part of my daily routine then I will have achieved something.
I am not looking to set any records in my weightloss or fitness goals - but I need to feel comfortable in my body. Is it really too much to ask to walk down the street without feeling bad about yourself?? So - I am not asking for alot and I know that I only have myself to blame for where I am - I have ignored the problem for far too long! So - it all starts on Monday - and I will keep you all posted!
And thanks again!!!

Hermione*

Well done Babybass, I hope you can keep up the optimism and determination and you'll be fine

As others have said, a quick fix isn't a lasting fix. What you need is to develop a healthier lifestyle which you can maintain. It's the only way to lose weight and keep the weight off.

yomchi

Babybass wrote:

Hi - Thanks for the advice. I have decided to abandon all hope of a miracle cure!! Its not as if I woke up one morning with an extra person attached to me - so I cannot expect to lose weight quickly. I know that it is a long road ahead and I am ok with that!
I have decided to go the gym route and watch what I eat - I have joined the VHI diet thingy online and that seems to be nutritionally sound. I was bulemic for a number of years and that sort of scared me off diets!! I posted on the fitness section as (if you can believe this) in my 30 years I have never - ever - been fit!! I am past wanting to be a size 8 or even 12 - I think that people of all sizes can be fit - and if I get my diet sorted and my fitness level up to where I want it then whatever size my body is happy with is ok with me!
So - I will join a gym - I know i will not get too much use out of it in the begining but I need to get into the habit of exercising so it becomes part of my routine. And I will get a personal trainer - if I can find one - as I need to be pointed in the right direction and I need encouragement!
I know some people have posted that I should sort out my diet first and then worry about gym - but I have PCOS (poly cystic ovaries) and it makes losing weight harder - but gaining weight easy - so I think I need the extra push! And, if I can get exercise to be a part of my daily routine then I will have achieved something.
I am not looking to set any records in my weightloss or fitness goals - but I need to feel comfortable in my body. Is it really too much to ask to walk down the street without feeling bad about yourself?? So - I am not asking for alot and I know that I only have myself to blame for where I am - I have ignored the problem for far too long! So - it all starts on Monday - and I will keep you all posted!
And thanks again!!!

where are you living Babybass?

PeakOutput

keeping a log in the other forum helps................or so i hear havnt got around to doing it yet

Saruman

Pretty much what Caryatnid said.. i mean did i not just give out to someone for NOT READING POSTS??
Hanley! my head is not in the sand.. i know exactly what lipotrim does and how dangerous it is... i mean i said so in my posts. Her metabolism was not shot because she came off lipotrim and then put on a load of weight... how in gods name did you jump to the conclusion that his happened around the same time?
What part of "She was keeping it steady then until we went to the states for 3 weeks...." Did you not understand? She was off lipotrim for maybe 6 months or more before we went to the US and her weight was staying around the same and even dropping. She did not gain. I have never done lipotrim and i put in the same weight in the US as she did.
Also I do not need to eat everything on my plate? What kind of stupid remark is that? I KNOW i do not need to. And i could not even if i wanted to! There was not a single meal either of us had that we finished. We took the rest home to have for lunch etc the next day.

Im not defending lipotrim as being good.. its not.. but some people have tried everything else and have no choice. My wife has no willpower and feels she has no choice but to go on an extreme diet, ironically requiring a lot of willpower to lose the weight. She has not other choice, well as far as she can see.. i would rather her do it by just eat less exercise more but she cant do it that way so this is the only way.

So in conclusion let me spell it out what im saying.
Lipotrim does work but should only be used as a last resort when all else fails as its not too safe and in some cases can be dangerous.

the_syco

OP, if you're 10 stone too heavy, you may just like your food a lot. Lipotrim will allow you to loose weight, but it'll just go back on when you finish the programme. A longer, healthier way, with exercise may be of more benifit to you.

For the note: lipotrim used to be only available to extreme cases, and is only available to the genereal public in the last while. Before then, it was only available to the obese. Its less of a fad, and more of a way to get obese people back to a healthy size.

Babybass

Jon, I am living in Co. Waterford

ali.c

Caryatnid wrote:

If you try everything, and fail, can't stick with the gym or whatever, then go for Lipotrim. I think that if you go to your doctor about it and talk about it,

I actually agree with you about the doctor part of it. If you run a calorie deficit and excercise and still cant lose weight then appropriate medical advise to rule out any underlying conditions is def the best step

However i do feel that if you do suspect that there may be an underlying medical condition then the only person who can advise you is a professional not anyone on the internet.

Caryatnid wrote:

and then I suggest losing a stone on Lipotrim, eat food and let your body stabalise and learn how to stay at that -1stone weight, then go on Lipotrim again etc. That's my opinion anyway. Particularly if you lost 10stone in a short space of time your skin won't be able to keep up.

That sounds quite good when you put it like that BUT starving yourself for a month here and there is not going to do the OP any favours. Our bodies are very reactive to circumstances, give your body little or no food regularly and it hoardes fat awaiting the next famine. Esp as the OP has said she has suffered with Bulimina, i dont think recommending a month on and off starving yourself is entirely helpful.

the_syco wrote:

OP, if you're 10 stone too heavy, you may just like your food a lot.

Yup you may enjoy your food, and i do think that you should continue to enjoy your food. My biggest gripe with processed foods is that they destroy our sense of what real food tastes like. I recommend that you look for good clean foods that you can enjoy, brush up on your cooking skills and experiment have fun with it.

Babybass

Thats good advice Ali - I do need to start cooking more - I usually tell myself I have no time! So generally its something fast. And I do like my food - part of my problem though is that for most of the day I eat nothing or very little - my body thinks theres a famine - so when I do eat at night firstly I realise I'm starving and secondly whatever I eat is being stored away!! So I am starting with breakfast in the morning - a whole new concept - and I'll see how it goes!!

tk123

Babybass wrote:

Thats good advice Ali - I do need to start cooking more - I usually tell myself I have no time! So generally its something fast. And I do like my food - part of my problem though is that for most of the day I eat nothing or very little - my body thinks theres a famine - so when I do eat at night firstly I realise I'm starving and secondly whatever I eat is being stored away!! So I am starting with breakfast in the morning - a whole new concept - and I'll see how it goes!!

Good luck and well done!! I find vhi/ediets really good - the first few days you'll feel like you're eating too much thou the way they set it out in 3 meals ! I split into into 6 smaller meals - eg I take fruit from breakfast and yogurt from lunch and have that mid morning etc!

ali.c

Babybass wrote:

Thats good advice Ali - I do need to start cooking more - I usually tell myself I have no time! So generally its something fast. And I do like my food - part of my problem though is that for most of the day I eat nothing or very little - my body thinks theres a famine - so when I do eat at night firstly I realise I'm starving and secondly whatever I eat is being stored away!! So I am starting with breakfast in the morning - a whole new concept - and I'll see how it goes!!

Good Luck, part of your experimentation could include how to make healthy foods quick. If you have planned in advance this can be done quite easily. Good food when you are in a rush includes stir-frys (max 30mins to make) and omelletes. I usually shop and prepare food on sunday so that when i get home in the evening a healthy dinner is only a few minutes away. Also little tricks like preparing the food for the next day the night before goes a long way towards keeping the diet on track.

You dont have to keep an online journal if thats not your cup of tea, but do keep a journal of your progress for yourself at least. That way when your having a bad day you can read through it and see how far you have come!! In particular a food diary is a good idea, log everything that you eat and at what time, for a couple of weeks (you dont have to do it forever). It helps move your eating habits from sub-concious to concious (sp?), most people are unaware of what they are eating alot of the time.

Babybass

ali.c wrote:

In particular a food diary is a good idea, log everything that you eat and at what time, for a couple of weeks (you dont have to do it forever). It helps move your eating habits from sub-concious to concious (sp?), most people are unaware of what they are eating alot of the time.

Thats a good idea - I kept an food & mood jnl for over a year when i was battling my bulemia - and it helped identify trigger food and moods. never thought of using it now! I usually try decide what i'll eat next day in the evening and try stick to it!! but - i don't want to be a slave to a diet - its not as if i'm going to be only doing it a few weeks. I will have to learn to eat better - and so far today has gone well!! Breakfast was a new experience but felt a bit better after it!!!

Sangre

A month of eating well and you won't know how you stomached the crap you ate before. The cravings should be gone and you'll realise how much nicer proper food is.

Although I did just slay a piece of chocolate cake....

Edit - just noticed your 'slave' to your diet thing. You don't have to be. After a while you will stop craving all that sugar/chocolate etc., Trust me, its not just the taste that makes you crawl to it, they can be addicted. While I did just have a fair whack of chocolate cake I did also have a heavy weights session today and a brisk 40 minute. Treating yourself is fine as long as you know its impact and what effect it has on your body. After a while you'll realise that Mars bar every 2 days isn't worth the extra 40 minutes on the treadmill!

fend

hey, staring Lipotrim tomorrow... For the 4th time.... Did very well the last times, losing about 9lbs - 12lbs a week [depending on my weight] But after about a week, i got bored nd sick of the shakes. Im back on it tommoro and gonna try stick out 5 weeks to shed 4 - 5 stone that BADLY needs to be shed. I just hope ill be able to keep it up...

MajorMax

I've been on lipotrim for 31 weeks during which I've lost a total of 15 and a half stone.

Smellyirishman

MajorMax wrote:

I've been on lipotrim for 31 weeks during which I've lost a total of 15 and a half stone.

I'm taking that with a heap of salt (probably the amount you were eating daily ).

3/5 of a year "eating" nothing but shakes?! Holy ****ing ****.

ali.c

Smellyirishman wrote:

I'm taking that with a heap of salt (probably the amount you were eating daily ).

3/5 of a year "eating" nothing but shakes?! Holy ****ing ****.

+1 i dont know how any one can consider that long without solid food a good thing!

Degsy

MajorMax wrote:

I've been on lipotrim for 31 weeks during which I've lost a total of 15 and a half stone.

You first post and its bullshiit!

kluivert

My opinion would be to consider this a lifestyle change starting from now.

Dont do diets, just do healthy eating.

You can do fast meals that are healthy. Preparing good food takes awhile longer, but if you think about it you probably wait longer in a chippy or that for your order anyway. Plus your saving money by cookign at home.

Eat little and often works for me, everybody is different though, not three meals a day because you end up getting hungry an snacking.

Exercise 3 / 4 times a week. Again little and often.

Enjoy the great feeling you get from being able to walk a little quicker, climb stairs a bit better the more your fitness improves.

Dont be afraid of gyms, everyone there has a common goal. See the amount of support your getting here already its the same in the gym, the fitness instructors are there to help.

Set yourself a goal term primary goal of a year and split that into 6 sub primary goals. Two month targets. Little and often right and build on that.

Very good luck and enjoy it.

rubadub

MajorMax wrote:

I've been on lipotrim for 31 weeks during which I've lost a total of 15 and a half stone.

That works out at exactly 1lb per day, ~3500kcal deficit per day. You get a pitiful ~500kcal per day on lipotrim, RSPCA would have you done for feeding a poodle that. So if your basal is 2500, you still need another 1500kcal deficit. I would find that 3-4 hours of exercise fairly hard on 500kcal per day, and most studies will say 2lb of fat is around the max you can lose per week- rest being muscle & water.

15 and a half stone of cash from your wallet perhaps? Has to be one of the most expensive "foods" per gram/calorie out there- I'd sooner starve myself with a nice fillet steak per day.

Supercell

Degsy wrote:

You first post and its bullshiit!

Actually if he was very heavy then it is very possible to loose about half a stone a week on Lipotrim, then again...it'll probably just pile back on after the diet goes back to the way it was before....

rubadub

Longfield wrote:

Actually if he was very heavy then it is very possible to loose about half a stone a week on Lipotrim, then again...it'll probably just pile back on after the diet goes back to the way it was before....

I can exert 7lb less force on a scale overnight, and could exert 7lb of more force in 1 hour. Very easy to do, but losing 7lb of fat , each week, consistently for 31 weeks is asking a lot.

WHIP IT!

I'd just like to wish Babybass the very best of luck in her fitness regime... Hope you get whatever you're looking for from it...

Whip It!

Supercell

Yep, but I didnt say he lost 7lb of fat.. just half a stone (of weight) a week.

I imagine that under the layers of blubber, very obese people need quite a lot of muscle to carry all that weight around - when I lost four stone I really doubt i could have carried that on my back far as the skinny me which I shuffled around quite happily on all day as the fatty.

Muscle therefore no doubt is lost alongside the fat, but realistically its muscle they wouldn't have if they were skinny anyhow without a lot of exercise (and probably in the wrong places too).
Most weeks I averaged 2-3kg's lost and I wasn't as heavy as this guy, so don't think his claims are unbelievable at all.
31 weeks on Lipotrim..that's unreal..dunno how MajorMax has stuck it that long (I was loosing my mind in less that half that time before the end), with that kind of determination he should have been able to loose it the right way.

Hanley

How the hell does one have 15 and a half stone to lose in the first place?

Does anyone REALLY want to take dietary advice from someone like that? Regardless of how they're doing now.

rubadub

Longfield wrote:

Yep, but I didnt say he lost 7lb of fat.. just half a stone (of weight) a week.

Yes- point taken, and I have wondered about some other points you made before too.

I am just making the poster aware that it is not just fat he is losing and it is easy to fluctuate week to week.

I agree with the point that heavy people will have more muscle, it makes sense -day in day out they are essentially weightlifting, like a farmers walk, going up steps is like weighted stepups etc. I strongly recommend weightlifting to prevent the loss of muscle, the muscle already there is boosting the metabolism, also once you are your goal of bodyfat- say 15%, do you want to be a scrawny little lad or have decent muscle and the metabolism that goes with it- making sustained weight/fat loss a lot easier.

Really obese people can be retaining huge amounts of water too. It is often quoted 1-2lb of fat loss is the ideal. Only recently I was reading in threads that it was not only ideal but the limit physically- I would have thought that fat loss potential would have been a % of overall fat- i.e. a really fat person could safely lose maybe 4lb of fat per week.

31 weeks is a hell of a long time, I hope they are visiting the doctor regularly and not self subscribing this medication/program.

A big person will have a higher metabolism, maybe 5000kcal basal, so the 500kcal per day is a 4500kcal deficit and in theory will lose more than 1lb of fat per day. I have always found that odd about lipotrim- it seems to be 500kcal fixed no matter what your basal metabolism is, maybe I am wrong there, and I hope I am. I only read one package once and saw no difference, only between women & men, women getting less- so a 50 stone woman might have a basal requirment of 10,000kcal, yet is "prescribed" less per day than a 15 stone man with a 3,000kcal requirment.

Hanley

To be honest I think people worry far too much about the 1-2lb a week rule and really mis-interpret it.

It's bodybuilding season now and there's a few guys doing shows from Hercs, one of whom I was talkign today. He started his diet 12 weeks ago at about 125kg and was 104ish as of today. THat's 20kg in 12 weeks. And trust me, he DEFINATELY hasn't lost muscle.

Just saw in another thread tho that the poster has another 5 stone to go making it a total of 20 stone weightloss. I think you would have to be INCREDIBLY stupid to put 20 stone back on again but I wouldn't be surprised if they put 5-10 back on again. I wonder how grear lipotrim will be then?

Supercell

rubadub wrote:

A big person will have a higher metabolism, maybe 5000kcal basal, so the 500kcal per day is a 4500kcal deficit and in theory will lose more than 1lb of fat per day. I have always found that odd about lipotrim- it seems to be 500kcal fixed no matter what your basal metabolism is, maybe I am wrong there, and I hope I am. I only read one package once and saw no difference, only between women & men, women getting less- so a 50 stone woman might have a basal requirment of 10,000kcal, yet is "prescribed" less per day than a 15 stone man with a 3,000kcal requirment.

The programme doesn't differ depending on starting weights, just by sex - men have two shakes a day and ladies three (smaller) ones, they're all in packets so its not possible to cheat unless you eat more packets (unlikely - the chemist weighs you weekly and then gives you the next 14 packets for the next week). Have no idea why women take three smaller packets and men two larger ones tbh.

In retrospect its completely flippin' nuts for most, though maybe for someone morbidly obese, which surely more than 15 stone overweight is..it may be merited..but I'm no doctor.

Certainly the mental effects and physical effects were such, that no way in hell will I ever do it again.

Babybass

I ultimately decided to stop messing around and just do something to help myself. I knew i couldn't live on shakes only for months so i have been eating healthily and exercising - i have lost over 3 stone, and my fitness has increased dramatically. I love the time i spend cooking and exercising as i see it as time i have set aside for myself - and i am begining to feel worth that effort!
Lipotrim may work for some, but i think that it isn't really a long term option - eventually you have to go back to eating - and if you get that overweight - 10/15/20 stone over - then you have problems with food. I know i had - and still do! Lipotrim doesn't address these problems - and they will still be there when you are off the diet. Any problems people have with food are representitive of some deeper problem i feel - and in order to have a healthy relationship with food then you need to address these problems.
Its easy to say fat people are fat because they eat too much - and its usually true - but you need to ask why they eat too much. Diets like lipotrim don't ask that question.

Hanley

Babybass wrote:

I ultimately decided to stop messing around and just do something to help myself. I knew i couldn't live on shakes only for months so i have been eating healthily and exercising - i have lost over 3 stone, and my fitness has increased dramatically. I love the time i spend cooking and exercising as i see it as time i have set aside for myself - and i am begining to feel worth that effort!
Lipotrim may work for some, but i think that it isn't really a long term option - eventually you have to go back to eating - and if you get that overweight - 10/15/20 stone over - then you have problems with food. I know i had - and still do! Lipotrim doesn't address these problems - and they will still be there when you are off the diet. Any problems people have with food are representitive of some deeper problem i feel - and in order to have a healthy relationship with food then you need to address these problems.
Its easy to say fat people are fat because they eat too much - and its usually true - but you need to ask why they eat too much. Diets like lipotrim don't ask that question.

Damn fine post. And congratulations on your good work so far!

ali.c

Yoohoo congrats! Thats brillant absolutely delighted for you. Deadly post too

nesf

Babybass wrote:

I ultimately decided to stop messing around and just do something to help myself. I knew i couldn't live on shakes only for months so i have been eating healthily and exercising - i have lost over 3 stone, and my fitness has increased dramatically. I love the time i spend cooking and exercising as i see it as time i have set aside for myself - and i am begining to feel worth that effort!

Congratulations.

g'em

Babybass, wholehearted congratulations and wonderfully said

Froot

I lost 9 stone in around 10 months, it is not that hard being honest. I used to be 23 stone, I am now 14, 16 inches from my waist, gone from an XXL to medium. It's good to see you want to do something about it.

It is all about nutrition and diet. It is safe to say that if you focused on your eating and never went to the gym you would lose a large amount of weight. However the gym is fun, makes the process faster and is an all around better way to do it when combined with diet.

Good luck.

Dudess

Babybass wrote:

I ultimately decided to stop messing around and just do something to help myself. I knew i couldn't live on shakes only for months so i have been eating healthily and exercising - i have lost over 3 stone, and my fitness has increased dramatically. I love the time i spend cooking and exercising as i see it as time i have set aside for myself - and i am begining to feel worth that effort!
Lipotrim may work for some, but i think that it isn't really a long term option - eventually you have to go back to eating - and if you get that overweight - 10/15/20 stone over - then you have problems with food. I know i had - and still do! Lipotrim doesn't address these problems - and they will still be there when you are off the diet. Any problems people have with food are representitive of some deeper problem i feel - and in order to have a healthy relationship with food then you need to address these problems.
Its easy to say fat people are fat because they eat too much - and its usually true - but you need to ask why they eat too much. Diets like lipotrim don't ask that question.

Over three stone in three months? That is incredible! Well done, hope it continues to go well for you.
Lipotrim gives me the shivers - the very idea of it. It blows my mind that something like that is readily available. My friend did it for about two months last year - sure enough, the weight absolutely fell off her. But her sister had to have a word with her about how it was affecting her breath - one of the nastier side effects. Anyway, that two months' worth of weight was put back over the few days of Christmas.

Supercell

Fair play Babylass, huge congrats for loosing the weight the right way:)