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moorele

blueross67 wrote: »

Wondering are there any iphone owners out there on speakeasy. For the last two days my iphone has been sending 16 international texts @ 25c a pop.It doesnt show any out going sms from the phone but i noticed my credit getting low, checked on o2 online saw the charges for all these texts. Its a handset problem not network. Have an idea that its related to upgrading,unlocking jailbreaking on itunes. Every time you upgrade/restore the iphone it lashes out a load of texts to 9011. If you upgrade with a deactivated sim it justs waits until you have an active sim in the handset again and starts texting. Any one else aware of this?

I changed from meteor to O2 today to avail of the free text offer & just checked my account and noticed these texts to 9011. What the hell is it??? How can we stop it?

cdebru

moorele wrote: »

Cdebru - is the baseband downgraded if you use ziphone 2.5 to jailbreak & activate & then 2.4 to unlock? I'm ****ting it after reading your last post, hope to god i havent f!@ked with the baseband....

Downgrading the baseband is fine

Downgrading the Bootloader especially the Ziphone method is not

Baseband is the software for your wifi bluetooth and phone

Bootloader is basically the BIOS on the iphone

What you did yesterday is fine

Rob C

Thats because you are on the 3.9bl

Err, yes, as I clearly stated in the opening line....

You are scaremongering a bit with the downgrading the bootloader as well. The likelihood of Apple bringing out some check to see if bootloaders were downgraded is so remote. There is no reason why downgrading the bootloader would screw people as stated by plenty of people on Hackintosh and Modmyiphone etc.

If your phone is 1.1.2 1.1.3 or 1.14 OTB then you should NOT use Ziphone 2.5 to unlock your phone end of story

That is simply wrong.

NickyOD

Sorry if this has come up already but I heard a rumour that some people are getting roaming charges on their o2 bills because they're using unlocked iphones!

Anyone know anything about this?

moorele

moorele wrote: »

I changed from meteor to O2 today to avail of the free text offer & just checked my account and noticed these texts to 9011. What the hell is it??? How can we stop it?

Seriously what the hell is this? I switched to o2 at lunchtime topped up with €20 and i'm already down to €12. Anyone any ideas on how to fix this?

Basq

Would it be a ringtone / picture message subscription service?

moorele

basquille wrote: »

Would it be a ringtone / picture message subscription service?

Nope i havent signed up for anything... Literally switched at lunchtime & the only thing i've signed up for is the free texts but i even did that online. €8 euro and counting in an hour an half tho???!!! What the hell is going on?

Sam Vimes

moorele wrote: »

Nope i havent signed up for anything... Literally switched at lunchtime & the only thing i've signed up for is the free texts but i even did that online. €8 euro and counting in an hour an half tho???!!! What the hell is going on?

call them?

moorele

Yeah i will... How do i switch off edge settings? When i go to settings/general/network the edge section is gone!

Basq

moorele wrote: »

Yeah i will... How do i switch off edge settings? When i go to settings/general/network the edge section is gone!

Switch it off using BossPrefs.

KoolKid

cdebru wrote: »

The method that Ziphone uses to downgrade the bootloader is not reversible

Isn't there a baseband upgrader in installer sources somewhere?

moorele

basquille wrote: »

Switch it off using BossPrefs.

Ok stupid question - how do i do that?

Just rang o2 there - they said that its the phone thats sending the texts not the network. They're suggestion - switch it on & off & see if it continues to happen & try the sim in another phone to double check its not the sim. She said it could be a case that the phone is not compatible! ????? Wtf?

moorele

Ok copped its in installer - downloading now! Is anyone else having this problem with o2?

moorele

Credit down to €5 euro now! Have switched edge etc off so hopefully that'll stop it... anyone any idea's why its happening? Is it something in the ziphone unlock process??? I noticed other people are having the same problem on o2 uk http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=433778

cdebru

Rob C wrote: »

Err, yes, as I clearly stated in the opening line....

You are scaremongering a bit with the downgrading the bootloader as well. The likelihood of Apple bringing out some check to see if bootloaders were downgraded is so remote. There is no reason why downgrading the bootloader would screw people as stated by plenty of people on Hackintosh and Modmyiphone etc.



That is simply wrong.

Why take the chance when there is no need to and why lock yourself into something which you may regret later when there is no need to.


Downgrading the bootloader is not a good idea it is risky and that is not explained to people when they use Ziphone 2.5 any interruption while it is flashing the bootloader and thats it your done you would be the proud owner of a brick.

There is currently no way to get back to 4.6 from the downgrade that Ziphone does that is never a good idea and especially when it is not necessary

If people want to downgrade the bootloader on their phone then it should be an informed choice not the default option.

And you nor I have any idea what Apple will do in the future or what there partners in o2 and AT&T may request them to do to stifle the growth of unlocked iphones. It would be simple for apple to do a check on the bootloader and refuse to install a future update on a modified bootloader maybe they will maybe they wont but people should know the implications of what they are doing beforehand not after.


And again if you have a 1.1.2 to 1.1.4 otb iphone you should NOT use Ziphone 2.5 to unlock unless you are happy to take the chance not just with the possibility of making a brick but the possibility of future drawbacks from having a modified bootloader

Rob C

You were risking a bricked iPhone with any unlock lets be honest about it. The risk is not more and no less with ZiPhone.

Remember where we were just a few weeks ago, a seemingly impossible to hack 4.6 Bootloader, thousands of people with OTB 1.1.2 phones and the only way to get them working was Turbosims?! Which chancers were making a packet from selling.

Now we have this free tool which has enabled so many who would have been tentative to try the normal unlock methods, to simply click a button and unlock their phones. And lets be frank here, there are many chancers in Ireland who had the nerve to charge people 50 Yoyo's and more to unlock phones.

ZiPhone has put the simplicity into the hands of consumers. The method works. And likewise, we do not know if Apple will introduce a check for tampered Bootloaders. There are an army of legit 1.1.1 and below users, so firstly any future upgrades will have to be compatible with the 3.9BL so it would have to be some elaborate check to see if a Bootloader was tampered with. And listening to Apple's COO Tim Cook talk the other day, it seems they are not taking the tough line on hackers people assume...

If people are worried, there is now a software downgrade of the Bootloader available which is completely reversible.

cdebru

Rob C wrote: »

You were risking a bricked iPhone with any unlock lets be honest about it. The risk is not more and no less with ZiPhone.

Remember where we were just a few weeks ago, a seemingly impossible to hack 4.6 Bootloader, thousands of people with OTB 1.1.2 phones and the only way to get them working was Turbosims?! Which chancers were making a packet from selling.

Now we have this free tool which has enabled so many who would have been tentative to try the normal unlock methods, to simply click a button and unlock their phones. And lets be frank here, there are many chancers in Ireland who had the nerve to charge people 50 Yoyo's and more to unlock phones.

ZiPhone has put the simplicity into the hands of consumers. The method works. And likewise, we do not know if Apple will introduce a check for tampered Bootloaders. There are an army of legit 1.1.1 and below users, so firstly any future upgrades will have to be compatible with the 3.9BL so it would have to be some elaborate check to see if a Bootloader was tampered with. And listening to Apple's COO Tim Cook talk the other day, it seems they are not taking the tough line on hackers people assume...

If people are worried, there is now a software downgrade of the Bootloader available which is completely reversible.

Not true downgrading a bootloader is far more risky than any unlock if you are not aware of that it proves the point that people should not being doing it.


Second wrong a simple CRC check will reveal a modified bootloader no need for any elaborate check

Thirdly Apple is not taking a tough line with Hackers because it wants to encourage those people who have been hacking and developing for the iphone inside the tent with the SDK
Some have already announced that they are going legit and Apple wants more ready made developers not being tough on hackers is not the same as not cracking down on those with hacked phones in the future.

And lastly you are completely missing the point this has nothing to do with FREE or not FREE or stealth or any other sim
This has to do with SAFE and NOT SAFE

And Ziphone is not safe it is badly written and badly implemented there are FREE alternatives which are safer

cdebru

koolkid wrote: »

Isn't there a baseband upgrader in installer sources somewhere?

Baseband is NOT bootloader

cdebru

moorele wrote: »

Credit down to €5 euro now! Have switched edge etc off so hopefully that'll stop it... anyone any idea's why its happening? Is it something in the ziphone unlock process??? I noticed other people are having the same problem on o2 uk http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=433778

What apps have you got installed

Rob C

It's not badly written. Thousands have used it and unlocked their phones.

You are scaremongering for some reason. This is to do with a SAFE and easy way of unlocking iPhones.

I would strongly encourage people NOT to take as gospel one members comments on this and instead go to the various dedicated forums and read what many, many hackers and ordinary users have said and form your own opinions.

The ZiPhone method has attracted ire becuase he's wrapped up an unlock package into an easy to use GUI which has brought simplicity to the whole process. There are those who previously had users going through hoops (and in cases getting them to pay) in order to unlock.

moorele

cdebru wrote: »

What apps have you got installed

BSD subsystem, the Appsupport patch 1.1.4 from iclarified to fix the international number problem & i installed bossprefs earlier so i could switch off Edge.

I havent downloaded any games etc...

cdebru

Rob C wrote: »

It's not badly written. Thousands have used it and unlocked their phones.

You are scaremongering for some reason. This is to do with a SAFE and easy way of unlocking iPhones.

I would strongly encourage people NOT to take as gospel one members comments on this and instead go to the various dedicated forums and read what many, many hackers and ordinary users have said and form your own opinions.

The ZiPhone method has attracted ire becuase he's wrapped up an unlock package into an easy to use GUI which has brought simplicity to the whole process. There are those who previously had users going through hoops (and in cases getting them to pay) in order to unlock.

ZiPhone v2.0 is finally OUT.

In the command line version, you will find a new
option "-b" be very careful with that!
I take no responsability if you brick your phone!
ZiPhone -b will downgrade bootloader from 4.6 to 3.9,

That is what Zibri wrote himself about the bootloader downgrade


Proof that it is badly written

Look at what happened to moorele yesterday Ziphone erased his baseband without checking to see if it had anything to replace it with

Compared to the FREE independence program that checked first and then refused to go any further when it could not get the ramdisk


And here is the first page on Hackint0sh

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32753

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32778

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32252

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32437

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32782

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=32668


And I don't know what you are trying to insinuate I help people here for free i offer advice for FREE and I direct people to what I believe is the best FREE safe option for unlocking
Convenience does not = best

moorele

Credit seems to have stabilized since i've switched off edge its still at the €5 mark - when i was on my o2 account on o2.ie i added up the cost of everything and it amount to approximately €5 euro yet €15 of credit has gone... its all a bit strange, especially the fact that it was working no problem on meteor this morning! I wonder what the hell it is thats causing it to send these texts. Does anyone even know what the 9011 number is? O2 were clueless when i asked them!

cdebru

moorele wrote: »

BSD subsystem, the Appsupport patch 1.1.4 from iclarified to fix the international number problem & i installed bossprefs earlier so i could switch off Edge.

I havent downloaded any games etc...

Did you try the sim in another phone did O2 tell you that they are definitely going to o2 in the UK

Has turning off edge stopped it

Ste05

So if we used ZIphone 2.5, is there nothing can be done now to upgrade the bootloader? Will a full restore and re-unlock work?? Or is it possible to upgrade the bootloader after using ziphone 2.5.

Also another quicky for anyone who might know the answer.

I've got custom ringtones working, and they are showing up on itunes, I've sync'd them all fine, and they are showing up grand, BUT, on my actual iPhone, I'm getting multiple copies of the latest ringtone I imported. So ATM, I only have 2 customs, and on itunes it's showing the 2 different tones, but in my sounds options, I'm getting 2 options for the one song, and not the 2 different tones??

moorele

cdebru wrote: »

Did you try the sim in another phone did O2 tell you that they are definitely going to o2 in the UK

Has turning off edge stopped it

No o2 hadnt a clue what the number was... They said that it was coming up on the system that the phone sent the msgs & that it wasnt a network problem. I just seen another post online from an o2 uk user having the same problem. Havent tried the sim in another phone yet... I think switching off EDGE has stopped it but for some reason I cant log into my call log details on o2 at the min. My credit is down to €4 but i've made one or two calls since so chances are that what has brought it down again.

I'll keep trying o2.ie to log into my call log & keep u posted! Thanks again for all the help - ur an invaluable source & i think you get an unnecessarily hard time sometimes! (a bit reminiscent of PHD)

NickyOD

Checked my most up to date O2 bill. Nothing extra on it. (Whew!)

Rob C

That is what Zibri wrote himself about the bootloader downgrade

Yes and he clearly warns people what will happen!

As I said, it is a great way to unlock phones removing a lot o the hassle people had.

And I am not insinuating anything. Why the paranoia?? I am saying that this makes the whole process so easy for the average punter enabling to unlock themselves. There were/are people in Dublin offering to upgrade and unlock phones for 100 Euro for god sake!! That's ridiculous.

Read all the positive reports on the Hackintosh thread in response to the thread starter.

At the moment, ZiPhone is no threat to iPhones. It works. And nobody knows if Apple will include a bootloader downgrade check. And the chances of something going wrong while the bootloader is being downgraded are very remote indeed....

moorele

NickyOD wrote: »

Checked my most up to date O2 bill. Nothing extra on it. (Whew!)

Think it just affects pay as you go customers rather than bill for some reason! Its strange to say the least.... I'm still not able to log into o2.ie to check if its still going on! My head is officially done in!

cdebru

Rob C wrote: »

Yes and he clearly warns people what will happen!

As I said, it is a great way to unlock phones removing a lot o the hassle people had.

And I am not insinuating anything. Why the paranoia?? I am saying that this makes the whole process so easy for the average punter enabling to unlock themselves. There were/are people in Dublin offering to upgrade and unlock phones for 100 Euro for god sake!! That's ridiculous.

Read all the positive reports on the Hackintosh thread in response to the thread starter.

At the moment, ZiPhone is no threat to iPhones. It works. And nobody knows if Apple will include a bootloader downgrade check. And the chances of something going wrong while the bootloader is being downgraded are very remote indeed....

No he doesn't you have to search through his blog for that quote

And i knew it was there because i read it when it came out

The problem is not about making it easy the problem is that the default on Ziphone is an unnecessary bootloader downgrade not only is it default but it is the only option for people with 4.6BL on Ziphone

I have recommended Ziphone on previous versions because of the simplicity when he ironed out the bugs but I would not recommend this version.

And yes there are loads of people singing its praises because they have no idea what they have done they pressed one button and they had an unlocked iphone but they have no clue as too what Ziphone has done to their phone.



And you seem to be hung up on the issue of Ziphone being free that is irrelevant the other safer options are also free.

The issue is bringing people down a one way street without any warning maybe it will never make a difference but my advice is not to take the unnecessary chance.
If it was the only way to unlock a 4.6BL phone then that would be different but it is not so why do it.

And the at the moment it is no threat will be cold comfort if/when it does go wrong