Paedophiles are not perverts

hallelujah

Am I the only person who thinks paedophiles are not perverts? Years ago it was considered sick/perverted to be a homosexual. Nowadays it is considered acceptable and to reject this is seen as unacceptable. I think paedophiles cannot help how they feel. I mean, could you stop being attracted to the opposite/same sex?

Its like say you had a brother who confides in you and tells you he fancies animals. He says he hates himself for it but has tried and failed to get rid of the attraction. Would you call him sick eben though his plight is out of his hands?

I think its wrong of paedophiles to have sex with minors and also viewing images (as the children in the images are being exploited) but to have feelings for children is not perverted.

petes

hallelujah wrote:

Am I the only person who thinks paedophiles are not perverts? .

Yes. Sorry didn't read the rest of your post.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

*shrug*

wasn't an older man marrying a young teenage girl quite common back in the day?

what's that phrase, old enough to bleed....

burnedfaceman

stop trolling you sick fcuker

pwd

what's the major cause of paedophilia?
-sexy children.
it is perverted yes

hallelujah

petes wrote:

Yes. Sorry didn't read the rest of your post.

Dont respond then.

TerrorFirmer

It's a good argument. I would tend to somewhat agree with you - people do have tendancies they cannot surpress, and often do not want at all. The only true perverts in my opinion though is those that act on such desires - we're all guilty at once stage of thinking or fantasizing about something outside the limits of social acceptability...

Hail 2 Da Chimp

I'm hoping some one got a hold of his log in and this post is actually a very sick practical joke...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

thought crime alert!
thought crime alert!

seamus

I was just about to respond with something reasonable, but then realised it was After Hours.

Hasn't someone got a "Polees Kat iz wachin U" picture or something?

HelterSkelter

Mordeth wrote:

*shrug*

wasn't an older man marrying a young teenage girl quite common back in the day?

what's that phrase, old enough to bleed....

If there's grass on the pitch...

hallelujah

I'm amazed at the amount of people who cant open their minds and have a think about what I'm saying. Instead people see the word paedophile, think the worst and post nonsense. Instead of saying I'm a bad person, try creating a counter-argument.

ronbyrne2005

You have a valid point . Of course its wrong to sexual assault anyone but we have to accept its likley that a small percentage of people are sexually attracted to prepubescent childen. There are therapies to help these people but if you accept that people are innately attracted to others of same sex, to inanimate objects, and non human animals it is an unacceptable but natural occurance. Some people are naturally born psychopaths, its not nice but its natural in sense the person has no control over it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article681489.ece

hallelujah

HelterSkelter wrote:

If there's grass on the pitch...

This is unhelpful and gives the knockers clout.

r3nu4l

I think the humanities forum would have been better for this thread. I've heard that argument before and while it has purely logical merit I'm not sure that it has any other merit as we simply don't know enough about paedophilia.

Some paedophiles despise themselves for their actions while others see no wrong in what they have done. Does the paedophile who despise himself do so because he is restrained by our moral compass or because he is sexually repressed? Do those paedophiles who see nothing wrong with their actions have other abnormal behavioural socio-pthologies evident? I don't know the answers.

As a scientist I can't help wondering if we will ever discover a (neuro)biological cause for paedophilia.

6th

You do have a point and my problem is only with those that offend (how do we tell those that dont?), they choose to carry out the acts that they do be that assaulting a child or viewing offending material.

tbh

r3nu4l wrote:

I think the humanities forum would have been better for this thread.

exactly. don't complain about unhelpful responses if you post in AH

WellyJ

To Be Honest

hallelujah

can someone of power move this to its proper home?

Degsy

hallelujah wrote:

I'm amazed at the amount of people who cant open their minds and have a think about what I'm saying. Instead people see the word paedophile, think the worst and post nonsense. Instead of saying I'm a bad person, try creating a counter-argument.

I'm sure you can justify anything to yourself.Everybody else things its cowardly,perverted and dangerous for society.A disproportionate number of people serving life in prison were abused as children.Paedophiles are the scum of the earth.

Tar.Aldarion

I'm glad to see how far his point sailed over your head.
Look at it go..

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

even worse than mass murderers or warmongers?

really?

simu

Paedophiles lulz and cry like everyone else! Hey mods, move this thread to humanities quickly! That's the only way of saving it!

Tar.Aldarion

It's gone past twenty posts, there is no saving it. Half the replies don't even look like the poster read the OP.

nesf

Moved from AH.

hallelujah

I wasnt aware AH was a no-no for intelligence. Lesson learned.

nesf

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

It's gone past twenty posts, there is no saving it. Half the replies don't even look like the poster read the OP.

I don't know about you, but I don't want this headache.

Crucifix

Perversion is relative, but I agree that molestation and child pornography are the problem not paedophilia itself.

The Corinthian

hallelujah wrote:

Years ago it was considered sick/perverted to be a homosexual. Nowadays it is considered acceptable and to reject this is seen as unacceptable. I think paedophiles cannot help how they feel. I mean, could you stop being attracted to the opposite/same sex?

From Wikipedia

Homosexuality was previously listed as a paraphilia in the DSM-I and DSM-II. Consistent with the change in consensus among psychiatrists it was not included in later editions.

So Paedophiles are actually perverts or paraphilacs, as are any people who get their sexual jollies from something which is abnormal, in the strictest sense of the word. That goes for homosexuality too, but we're not allowed to call them perverts any more.

The principle issue with paedophilia however in not that it is peverted, but that it is considered a harmful paraphilia in that it involves non-consensual (due to age) participation of another party.

Where modern liberal society would actually be better tested to either stick by its principles or go with its gut is in cases such as consensual incest, where it meets the criteria of a "consensual sexual relationship" but people will still go 'ugh' (and before people suggest the genetics argument, remember that can be applied to lots of unrelated couples).

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

hallelujah wrote:

I wasnt aware AH was a no-no for intelligence. Lesson learned.

spot the noob

simu

OK, they are perverts in the sense that they stray from what is considered normal and healthy by society in what they fantasize about. This norm can change as it has done with homosexuality - most people don't consider that to be "wrong" anymore - but paedophilia is a bit different in that carrying it out can cause damage to other people (i.e. kids). Still, there's no point in demonising people that have these thoughts - we have to understand it like any other human behaviour and help them to live with themselves without hurting others.