Can anyone help find Maddie

Oryx

liamdubh wrote:

Throw 10,000 piles of steaming **** at a wall and count how many stick to it. I don't doubt that psychics and mediums are extremely intelligent and perceptive people and this might be the reason Scotland Yard aren't completely dismissive of them.

I dont quite get you. Are you saying psychic ability is a pile of steaming sh*t, or that psychics are intelligent enough to dupe people, or that their particular type of thought process is useful for lateral thinking? What?

liamdubh

KtK wrote:

I dont quite get you. Are you saying psychic ability is a pile of steaming sh*t,

No I'm not. I'm just saying that if you try something often enough you're bound to get it correct by chance some of the time. The probability of a psychic reading a person's name correctly as they walk into a room increases everytime a psychic attempts it. It's almost certain to happen if you try it often enough.

or that psychics are intelligent enough to dupe people, or that their particular type of thought process is useful for lateral thinking? What?

I think many psychics are completely full of **** and just out to get rich off of private grief (to anybody who believes in psychic abilities apologies, it's just my opinion). The psychics hot-line only €4 per minute! Stuff like that.That aside, I think anybody who earns a living from being a psychic is extremely smart and perceptive and, cynically or not, may actually be able to provide the police with help in some instances.

stevenmu

Right now there are millions of people around the world discussing the whereabouts of Madeline. Discussing it here in this context is in no way more distastefull or insensitive than that. People discussing here within the paranormal forum what they feel Madeline's situation is is entirely different to psychics approaching the family or police and looking for money.

This thread is for people to discuss what they have picked up about the situation, all posters are to stick to this topic. If anyone feels any posts are insensitive or distastefull they are free to report them or pm me. If anyone feels this thread should not be here, again they are free to report it or pm me. Further disruptions to the thread will not be tolerated.

Thanks,

Steve

karynp

nipplenuts wrote:

Take a moment and reconsider your post. There's nothing in mine to suggest I have less that complete sympathy for the family concerned. I am disappointed with the whole I see a number 16 type of stuff though

Ok, I eat humble pie here,I thought you meant generally what had been posted not just referal to the number 16 being mentioned as it wasnt quoted as that particular piece of information,sorry.

6th

Portuguese police investigate tips from clairvoyants on Madeleine

May 31, 2007, 9:35 GMT

Lisbon - Portuguese police are investigating tips from clairvoyants in the search for Madeleine McCann, the four-year-old British girl who went missing on May 3 from her bed in the holiday resort of Praia da Luz, the daily Correio da Manha reported Thursday.

Police sources said police were getting countless tips from people claiming to possess paranormal abilities by e-mail, mail or telephone.

Whenever a tip clearly mentioned a location, police followed it up in case the abductor had repented and wanted to reveal Madeleine's hiding place this way, according to the daily.

So far, however, the tips had not been useful.

Some of the clairvoyants contacting Portuguese police were British.

Well-known British medium Diane Lazarus has travelled to Portugal, reports said. Lazarus believes Madeleine is in Spain and will be returned to her parents.

Pope Benedict XVI received Madeleine's parents on Wednesday. Gerry and Kate McCann may visit Spain, Germany, the Netherlands and Morocco to keep the interest in their daughter's case alive, according to Correio da Manha.

Article HERE

Oryx

Interesting 6th. Kinda knew this would be happening from day one. Id hate to think that police time was being wasted, but in the absence of more concrete leads, whats the harm in looking into these.

6th

Yeah like they say if someone names a location they check it out. At this stage they have to try everything and if one of them turned out to be right and the police ignored it it would look bad.

stormkeeper

Gillcarr1972 wrote:

My little girl heard the news and said, She is in an orangy coloured house, once she showed me colour it was terracotta.. she said she was alive and crying for her mummy and daddy. Today she said she was outside the house..

Lucie is going to be good once she grows, she is strongly linked with my grandmother who passed 9 years ago who was a very strong psychic..

She insists Madeleine is alive and will be found.. I wish I had her optimism..

I actually got a strong shiver up my spine when I read that, although I'm still not 100% sure what those sort of shivers actually mean*, although it could mean that your daughter is right. Guess we'll find out in time. I do hope she is found alive though.

Edit: *I was told by someone psychic that they're a form of communication in the vein of yes and no. I've also been told the stronger the shiver the more resounding it is. It prolly seems a bit weird, but stranger things have happened.

Gillybean72

stormkeeper wrote:

I actually got a strong shiver up my spine when I read that, although I'm still not 100% sure what those sort of shivers actually mean*, although it could mean that your daughter is right. Guess we'll find out in time. I do hope she is found alive though.

Edit: *I was told by someone psychic that they're a form of communication in the vein of yes and no. I've also been told the stronger the shiver the more resounding it is. It prolly seems a bit weird, but stranger things have happened.

Hiya, I told someone right away about what she said, and when Morocco came out they said there were houses like that there...
Now she is 6 years old, has no explaination for how she gets things at all expect "My head told me" but she hasnt mentioned her in a while........ and I havent asked because there is something in me that doesnt want to hear the answer...

LoLth

Slightly OT but

Straight off i have to say I am a sceptic when it comes to psychic abilities. I agree there is something but I am very very wary of people who use "spells to bring good luck" - do they take the blame if the luck turns rotten ? Or people who turn to psychics to make life altering decisions instead of sitting down and thinking about it themselves. However, just because I dont agree with or necessarily believe peoples claims doesnt mean I dont want to know anything about it and so I have a question or two and a comment.

If psychics around the globe are picking up bits of info about madeleine why cant they all share this information amongst themselves and hopefully get a full picture from the multitudes of "feelings"....

I agree with the arguments that if enough people guess someone has to be right. Its probability. However if, out of 100 people who have in no way shape or form ever been in contact with one another, a significant number (10 ? 15? ) all give the same guess then I'd be tempted to say there's something out of the ordinary going on there.

About the terracotta houses... there are a lot of houses around the mediterranean area painted a terracotta colour. Especially in the south of portugal (not the algarve in particular) and Spain. So I dont necessarily believe that Morocco is a vindication of your child's ability or gift (no offense intended to yourself or the child Gillcarr1972). The child may have picked up on the houses shown in the standard panoramic shot they always do at the start of a news piece and the rest of the comment could have been a result of a deep level of empathy in your child and the ability to imagine another's situation - and no, I dont consider empathy a psychic gift though I can see how people would think it is.

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This may seem like me taking the piss but its a legit question:

what if the kidnapper either had a pyschic of their own trying to hide the kid or they used one of these (http://www.stopabductions.com/) thought screen helmet thingies. (I do have a question about these that i will post in the other thread though)

6th

LoLth wrote:

If psychics around the globe are picking up bits of info about madeleine why cant they all share this information amongst themselves and hopefully get a full picture from the multitudes of "feelings"....

Because there are too many ego's ... imo.

Oryx

6th wrote:

Because there are too many ego's ... imo.

Not necessarily. I know you will get cases where people like to work alone or feel that 'they' are right, but most probably its the same problem as getting any group of diverse people to discuss anything. There is no one central place to do it, really.

6th

I suppose, I've seen some good group work done on really large scales such as the heal the world events.

Chunks

Hi,

Now I don't mean to offend anyone's views, beliefs or otherwise with this post. However, from my point of view (I guess I could be called a sceptic when it comes to the majority of mediums etc..)

but..

Howcome you don't get these kind of feelings and premonitions everyday for other people other than the McCann child? I mean, people go missing every single day in the same manner as this child in the news so why aren't you getting these feelings for them too?

In my opinion (my opinion, not meant to offend anyone, they're just what I think) is that because it's so well documented in the news, papers, internet, radio etc... the incident has found it's way into peoples sub-conscious therefore giving them the impression that they're having medium type 'views' and 'premonitions' and so on...

If they were any kind of geniune (again, not meant to offend, im not calling any of you non-geniune, just my view) they'd be getting these feelings on a daily if not hourly basis for all the people in the world who go missing on a very very regular basis. One poster claimed the name Madeleine was in her head before it hit the news (now I'm not calling her a liar, far from it) but again why not have the names of thousands of other children and adults in the same situation as the McCann child not been in your mind aswell??

If this incident wasn't in the news I'm pretty sure that a very very small percentage of you would have gotten these feelings.

Take for example the problems in Darfur.... there's equally as bad things happening in places like China, Indonesia, India, South America but because these problems aren't in the spotlight the majority of people ignore them or just simply don't know about them

anyway, these are my views, they're not meant to attack any of you, just to get my point of view, and other people views out there.

And yes, I do think that what has happened is horrible and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but, it's currently happening to thousands of others in the world as you read this, the only difference is that their parents and relations don't have the money or exposure to get the name out there like the McCann child.

Oryx

Chunks wrote:

Howcome you don't get these kind of feelings and premonitions everyday for other people other than the McCann child?

Sometimes you do. One situation I dealt with, the info came completely unbidden, and bugged me till I did something with it. But if you were to leave yourself open to all kinds of info it would be like listening to 100 radio stations at once and youd go mad.

Chunks wrote:

but again why not have the names of thousands of other children and adults in the same situation as the McCann child in your mind aswell??

Because its high profile and because its a child, a lot more people are aware of it and are trying to help. They are turning their mind to it rather than simply recieving random information.

Aisling&M

One suggestion to answer some of the questions posed is that psychics/mediums are given information in languages and geographical locations that they might actually be able to pass on and use.
A lot of psychics/mediums do get random information that pertain to non-news documented cases and pass on the information as they see fit.
If you asked for a list of all psychic impressions from psychics who use this site, I'm pretty sure the memory quota for this site would fill up.

Chunks

KtK wrote:

Sometimes you do. One situation I dealt with, the info came completely unbidden, and bugged me till I did something with it. But if you were to leave yourself open to all kinds of info it would be like listening to 100 radio stations at once and youd go mad.

So you're saying that you have to learn to filter out the 'noise' ?
Howcome the poster claimed that the name Madeleine was in thier head well before it all kicked off as a high profile case? coincidence?

BTW, thank you for not jumping down my throat. A lot of the time you make a post and people who are self-conscious or not entirely secure in their beliefs start to rip your points apart and claim you're a bigot towards their views and what not. It's a relief to get a decent understanding reply. I'm sure you've witnessed it yourself when saying 'mediumy' things in a non-medium forum before..

Oryx

I thought your post was fair. I cant really speak for anyone else. I can tell you that sometimes I get messages or images or whatever, that make no sense, and maybe a few days later I realise what it was about or who it was for. I honestly dont know why you get information on some things and not others, maybe it has to do with your culture or mindset, that you get stuff that is within your own frame of reference.

Conar

KtK wrote:

I dont quite get you. Are you saying psychic ability is a pile of steaming sh*t, or that psychics are intelligent enough to dupe people, or that their particular type of thought process is useful for lateral thinking? What?

Surely if anyone had any provable psychic powers then they would be trying to get this reward:
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Oryx

Conar wrote:

Surely if anyone had any provable psychic powers then they would be trying to get this reward:
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

And if i had a penny for every time Ive heard that comment I wouldnt need it

Edit: Conar, I suggest if you want to start that discussion open a new thread, but beware the charter!

Conar

I'm sure you hear it quite a lot but surely someone would have provable powers considering the statements being made here.

This will probably get me a ban but hey I'll say it anyway.....I severely doubt (to the point that I would stake my house on it) that anyone on this forum has any phsychic powers and I think people who truly believe that they have powers are deluded or are over-analysing their thoughts until they fit a certain issue.

Hey, I could be wrong (really don't think I am though) but as I say, if I am no one has ever proven me to be wrong and I suspect no one ever will.

EDIT
I realise that my statements probably infuriate a lot of people here and I'm sorry for that but I don't apologise for my content.
Don't you just hate conditional apologies

Aisling&M

well, if you are sure you are right and will never be proven wrong, then I'm sure you are right........

Oryx

Conar wrote:

This will probably get me a ban but hey I'll say it anyway.....I severely doubt (to the point that I would stake my house on it) that anyone on this forum has any phsychic powers and I think people who truly believe that they have powers are deluded or are over-analysing their thoughts until they fit a certain issue.

Your comments are sailing very close to being bannable, but that is for a mod to decide. Other than that you are simply off topic.

LoLth

KtK wrote:

Your comments are sailing very close to being bannable, but that is for a mod to decide. Other than that you are simply off topic.

His comments may be off topic but I would think it very unfair to ban someone for making a statement that is
a: in a calm and rational manner
b: obviously open for debate, in fact Conar is asking for someone to prove him wrong
c: are reflecting the thoughts of many paranormal sceptics

Fair enough have a mod move his posts out to a new thread as it is completely off topic for this one but dont call for someone to be banned jsut for asking a question you find to be awkward.

"Believe in God"
"why?"
"Because its God"
"yeah, but is there any evidence?"
"BURN THE HERETIC!!"



PS. Conar, you are wrong. I dont know how I know that. I just do. (sorry couldnt resist).

Oryx

From the charter:

Regarding sceptical debate on Paranormal issues

Sceptical debate and discussion is restricted solely and specifically to threads where the original poster has asked for explanation or discussion on phenomenological issues or events.

The following rules apply to these threads.

1 ALL belief in the paranormal will be respected.


2 No demands for proof of paranormal validity.


3 No hijacking threads - straying from the topic will not be tolerated

Not up to me, and im backing off, this is mod territory now

Edit, im not calling for anyone to be banned(and i havent reported any posts at all, just letting ye know the above is bannable around here.

LoLth

Sceptical debate and discussion is restricted solely and specifically to threads where the original poster has asked for explanation or discussion on phenomenological issues or events.

exactly. so this question is off topic and should be moved to a new thread or the posts deleted and Conar can ask his question again. He hasnt insulted anyone, in fact he's been very polite.

he is guilty of hijacking though but I dont think its really call for a banning. Just delete the posts from this thread and/or move them to a new thread and then anyone who feels like it can support or oppose him.

Anyway. sorry for staying off topic. I promise it is the last i will post on this matter (in this thread).

stormkeeper

Gillcarr1972 wrote:

Hiya, I told someone right away about what she said, and when Morocco came out they said there were houses like that there...
Now she is 6 years old, has no explaination for how she gets things at all expect "My head told me" but she hasnt mentioned her in a while........ and I havent asked because there is something in me that doesnt want to hear the answer...

I have a similar thing myself, although I've identified it as Clairaudience, rather than just "my head" telling me things. For me what happens is things appear as thoughts that aren't my own and I'm told certain things. I've been "told" a lot of things when I've been on investigations, such as being told to "get out" in the chapel over at Charleville Castle, as well as picking up a single word in a room that a psychic repeated mere seconds later. I've also managed to pick up a name in another location which was again, a few seconds later picked up by the method the other people in the room were using at the time, a glass I believe, and lastly I recieved the words "help me" a short time before that was put down on automatic writing.

I attribute all of the above to Clairaudiance, so based on the above experiences I've had, I'm fairly certain that your daughter could have the same ability to pick up things like that in time, although she's still quite young, so it may be a bit before she understands otherwise.

Firewalkwithme

gubby wrote:

The white witch in cobh was on 96fm yesterday and she said that madeline is in a boat in a marina with some other details.. I hope someone checks. even if its just to rule it out. mind you she said that she could see the no 16 which she thinks means that she will be found today 16th

Maddie's parents met Pope Benedict XVI the other day so maybe that's what the 16 was about. He was born on the 16th of April too so it must be that.

robnubis

Why is this in the paranormal Forum? Although this raises a new question, people have dissapeared before, was she abuducted by extraterrestrial life?

DISCUSS.

6th

Have a read of the thread and you might get the gist of what people are thinking/suggesting.