Before and after pics

yomchi

Would it be an idea for peeps to post up before and after pics?

Basically some shots of you before you started training and taking advice from the board and some shots of you now. I reckon it would be a good motivational tool and it also gives others the chance to visually help where needs improvement or where is really lookin good!

I reckon some posters here could even post up pics to help motivate others, I know G'ems pics after she cut down to ripmania was a super visual aid as to what kind of results her nasty carb depleted diet made.

So how about it?
Any one think it a good idea, and who do ya wanna see first!!

slinks back from the crowd as im not goin first

StickyMcGinty

wish i'd taken a few pics, i've lost 9kg in 12 weeks thanks to g'em and them, miracle workers they are

Hanley

AWWW I thought you were gonna do it!!

I'm game. Any excuse to get my top off.

Hanley

JUNE 06:


APRIL 07:




Get 'em up Jon.

I was 87.6kg in the first photos, I'm 92.2kg at the moment.

My lifts at the time were;

Squat: 165kg
Bench: 112.5kg
Deadlift: 190kg

Now they're about: (all raw)
Squat: 190kg (attempting 210kgx3 on Saturday in gear)
Bench: 125kg (done 150kg in comp equipped)
Deadlift: 220kg (pulled 210kgx2 today, shooting for 227.5kg in 3 weeks raw)

pa daly

Fair play Hanley.

Impressive lol

g'em

ah bloody hell Jon, you would have to mention me :rolleyes: I *hate* putting up the before photos!!!! Right so... as Jon said I did a "nasty carb depleted diet" as was detailed in my journal in the fitness logs, for 8 weeks from the end of August '06 to the end of October '06.

Before



Afters:





I went from 164lb to 147 lbs, from 22-23% bodyfat to around 12-13%. It was a 20lb fat loss, 4lb lean muscle increase. I trained heavy weights, low reps, split training, with some LIT cardio 4-5 times a week (45-60 min walk usually). But it was the diet that made the difference. 8 weeks of nastiness by all accounts

g'em

VinnyL wrote:

wish i'd taken a few pics, i've lost 9kg in 12 weeks thanks to g'em and them, miracle workers they are

congrats Vinny!! That's a fantastic loss, it's so great to hear success stories like that

Dr4gul4

g'em you mush have been eating only 50 gms of carbs a day and the rest Protein ? thats a crazy ass drop though

tribulus

And loads of good fat, VERY important on such a calorie restricted diet

Dr4gul4

flip yea, forgot about the fat, i'll go look in ure log to get the details

g'em

Dr4gul4 wrote:

g'em you mush have been eating only 50 gms of carbs a day and the rest Protein ? thats a crazy ass drop though

yup, 50g carbs (veg only), 130g protein, 100g fat (10% carbs, 40% protein, 50% fats!!), about 1600 cals/ day. It's actually the high fat that's the key as trib said.

Peter Collins

Hanley wrote:

Get 'em up Jon.

I was 87.6kg in the first photos, I'm 92.2kg at the moment.

My lifts at the time were;

Squat: 165kg
Bench: 112.5kg
Deadlift: 190kg

Now they're about: (all raw)
Squat: 190kg (attempting 210kgx3 on Saturday in gear)
Bench: 125kg (done 150kg in comp equipped)
Deadlift: 220kg (pulled 210kgx2 today, shooting for 227.5kg in 3 weeks raw)

You looked a whole lot better before mate!

kwalsh000

Hopefully it lets people realise..no matter how hard it is..you can gain weight if you want to (for those of us that find it hard)


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They are the only ones i have really..that and im lazy:P

JayRoc

I love those shots whenever I see 'em, Walshy.
Inspirational!

Dr4gul4

g'em wrote:

yup, 50g carbs (veg only), 130g protein, 100g fat (10% carbs, 40% protein, 50% fats!!), about 1600 cals/ day. It's actually the high fat that's the key as trib said.

Might have a word in ure ear so tomorrow things are not moving along quite as i would like


i'll see if i can find sum pics of me, however they are quite scary.

g'em

JayRoc wrote:

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insightful and enlightening as always dude... :rolleyes:

Drag, sure, ask away - but don't forget this wasn't a "normal" diet, it was 8 weeks of major unpleasantness, I literally had to put life on hold for the duration. Oh, I was sooooo much fun to be around

Dr4gul4

lol, i was about to say the same... poor jay got lost for words.


Dont panic G i dont think i'll go as strict, well we'll see, i'll talk to ye tomorrow

catherine22

this thread is great. i know that everyone in here knows what they are talking about but then to see pictures that actually prove it- wow. hats off tp the OP for thinking it up (not that i will be posting any pics- way too embarassing)

and g'em i think you look great in your before pics (as well as your after ones), if i could get myself looking like you in the before pics i would be one happy bunny:D

yomchi

ah janey, im not puttin mine up now lol, too much competition there I'll have to dig them out of the closet.

Lookin sharp Hanley, G'em you are one crazy woman and thats why we love ya! That was a mean diet!
Karl, ur robocop now

Peter Collins

"vanity is the fear of appearing original: it is thus a lack of pride" Friedrich Nietzsche

JayRoc

g'em wrote:

insightful and enlightening as always dude... :rolleyes:

Dr4gul4 wrote:

lol, i was about to say the same... poor jay got lost for words.

Ah the pair of ye can bite me...:D
It was only there for a second for feck's sake! Typical...

Peter Collins wrote:

"vanity is the fear of appearing original: it is thus a lack of pride" Friedrich Nietzsche

That's twice now, mate...am I missing something? What the hell are you on about?

Frankiestylee

I'll take some before pics now... I'll post the after when you can see the muscles that are hiding underneath the body fat (though after just about two weeks of healthy eating things seem to be moving along nicely)

Dragan

Peter Collins wrote:

"vanity is the fear of appearing original: it is thus a lack of pride" Friedrich Nietzsche

Peter, that's two unhelpful and off topic posts in the one thread. Keep it up and it will be a banning.

This is not a debate about the rational and emotional need for for self improvement. If you wish to discuss this then please start a new thread.

Now, post your own pics or take a stroll.

cowzerp

Gem-well done, you look great. keep on top of it girl..

g'em

catherine22 wrote:

this thread is great. i know that everyone in here knows what they are talking about but then to see pictures that actually prove it- wow.

thanks catherine!! sometimes I do wonder if people think I'm really a man/ overweight internet warrior/ talking rubbish

@ cowzerp - thank you! Of course I really need to point out that I don't still look like that. Getting down to bf that low was unsustainable in the long-term and unhealthy - it interfered with my normal .. erm.. cycles and I always knew I'd have to put some weight back on. Then when I started to train for the PL comp my muscle mass shot through the roof, so I now weigh more than I did in the 'before' photos but have significantly less bf - a happy medium I guess

CerebralCortex

Dragan wrote:

Peter, that's two unhelpful and off topic posts in the one thread. Keep it up and it will be a banning.

This is not a debate about the rational and emotional need for for self improvement. If you wish to discuss this then please start a new thread.

Now, post your own pics or take a stroll.

Here, here.

yomchi

g'em wrote:

thanks catherine!! sometimes I do wonder if people think I'm really a man/ overweight internet warrior/ talking rubbish

LOL, I remember my first visit here you helped me with some info (as u do:) ) and i said thanks man for the help, to which I got a one line answer...'i'm a girl'...

When I want to punish myself for my sins, I read your log of when you were cutting (and it was a cut!) and pretend it's mine - painful thoughts:D

eggie

g'em wrote:

yup, 50g carbs (veg only), 130g protein, 100g fat (10% carbs, 40% protein, 50% fats!!), about 1600 cals/ day. It's actually the high fat that's the key as trib said.

Hi G'em

What foods did you obtain your fat intake from?

Cheers.

yomchi

so has anyone else got the guts to put up some shots??

Dr4gul4

I cant find any good pics of me

p.s uber fast delivery jon

g'em

Jon wrote:

LOL, I remember my first visit here you helped me with some info (as u do:) ) and i said thanks man for the help, to which I got a one line answer...'i'm a girl'...

I remember it well It's funny, I read back over my log sometimes and it seems like I'm reading about a different person! When you do something that severe you just completely zone out from normality and live in a little coccoon world that only consists of you, the gym, 8 gallons of water a day and broccoli + chicken + flax oil meals :rolleyes:

eggie - my fats came from olive oil, flax oil, avocadoes and eggs and I supplemented with fish oils. Three of my four meals a day had two tablespoons of oil in them

take a look at this..


http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

hunnymonster

the short answer would be no because I'm still a before.I must take some photo's though so that I do have a record.

yomchi

Dr4gul4 wrote:

I cant find any good pics of me

p.s uber fast delivery jon

cool mate, glad it worked out well. Now spread the word!;)

yomchi

Deleted User wrote:

take a look at this..


http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

Them pics are super, at least it gives a good idea about how long it takes to achieve a nice big size. TAKE NOTE ALL YOU GUYS THAT SAY - "I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO BIG" - when you're in buying your Big Whey off me:D

I regret not taking snaps of Eamonn M while he was training for the Naturals in 2005. Every week he looked different, come show time you could see his heart beating in his chest he was that ripped up :eek:

Degsy

Jon wrote:

so has anyone else got the guts to put up some shots??

Never again..know your nerds last year was a BIG mistake:o

Dr4gul4

Degsy wrote:

Never again..know your nerds last year was a BIG mistake:o

air guitar for the win ehh

Money Shot

Deleted User wrote:

take a look at this..


http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

I took him over a year and a half to smile, then he can't stop grinning - he must be pleased with the results. I think most people would be fairly happy to be where he was at after four or five months.

rubadub

Jon wrote:

so has anyone else got the guts to put up some shots??

Thats the problem, the gut is still to big to be shown

g'em wrote:

Getting down to bf that low was unsustainable in the long-term and unhealthy

You look great in both before & after pics, I pity the poor scumbag that ever tries to snatch your purse:D
How low a BF do people think is sustainable? for guys & girls?

If you had say 20lb of "extra" lean mass than average and were 10%BF (male) is that healthily sustainable? Do other atheletes tend to go on bulks & cuts? I would ideally like the size and leaness of a pro swimmer and just sustain it if possible.

Dragan

The below is me coming up to the end of my last cut......i will try and find a picture tonight to show where i started at and how fat i was.



I am currently doing a milder diet so will do progress photo's and then see how they go.

Frankiestylee

Deleted User wrote:

take a look at this..


http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

That's pretty fascinating. At the start when he first got his tan I was just thinking "ugh... no, that looks dodgey"... but once he started to bulk up the guy was looking healthy and well. He should lay off the sun tan though, I always think it makes body builders look freaky. That's quite a good visual aid though, if you think such things are doable you can go and do them.

g'em

rubadub wrote:

You look great in both before & after pics, I pity the poor scumbag that ever tries to snatch your purse:D

Thank you

rubadub wrote:

How low a BF do people think is sustainable? for guys & girls?

If you had say 20lb of "extra" lean mass than average and were 10%BF (male) is that healthily sustainable? Do other atheletes tend to go on bulks & cuts? I would ideally like the size and leaness of a pro swimmer and just sustain it if possible.

Well it depends what you mean by "sustainable". <10% for guys is certainly attainable, but it will require a good bit of dedication to maintain it. It'll mean training hard and eating clean and the beer would have to fall by the wayside or be reduced significantly. A guy with 10-12% bf will generally look well though.

*note - I'm assuming that the guy has a decent amount of LBM of course - if not he'll just look skinny *

For girls, the general guideline is that <15% bf is likely to interfere with your menstraul cycle. Girls naturally carry more fat, it's needed to cushion our reproductive organs. Although there isn't any long-term data that consclusively says if there's any danger to having bf so low it causes long-term amenhorrea (loss of periods), personally it's not something I'd be happy mucking around with. At 13% bf mine stopped and it took 3 months for them to come back even after I'd upped my cals.

BBing competitors on stage will typically be around 3-5% bf for men, and 8-10% bf for women. Off season they'll often only allow a +4-5% increase, as trying to diet back down again multiple times a year is too difficult and stressful on the body.

Athletes wouldn't tend to bulk and cut,at least not to this extent. Athletes may have to make weight depending on their sport if it's required (MA competitors for example), but for a lot of high level athletes maintaining low bf will just be advantageous because they'll move around faster and have more energy. But the whole idea of "cutting" is really the realm of bodybuilders.

[rant] I get a bit tetchy when I hear people throw around the word "cut". A cut isn't a diet, a cut is a severe drop in calories and manipulation of macronutrients specifically with a fat-loss goal in mind. You will more than likely lose strength, be lethargic, have mood swings, suffer from insomnia, and generally feel like a luke-warm turd for the duration. Unless you have spent a considerable amount of time building an appreciable amount of LBM the idea of doing a cut really shouldn't enter your head. But if you have, and you have a seriously masochistic streak, it's worth it :rolleyes: [/rant]

Froot

g'em wrote:

But if you have, and you have a seriously masochistic streak, it's worth it :rolleyes: [/rant]

I found myself laughing out loud on the street sometimes at how insanely hungry I was when I was doing the Velocity diet. People used to just stare at me.

I have to say the diet was one of the best experiences of my life.


By the way in reference to John Stone fitness, in the 12/6/2006 picture the guy looks terrible. He looked more normal in 10/06/2003.

rainglow

Money Shot wrote:

I took him over a year and a half to smile, then he can't stop grinning - he must be pleased with the results. I think most people would be fairly happy to be where he was at after four or five months.

I'd agree - plus as I girl I'd have to say that was when he was at his most attractive too (weird hair aside!)

No pics from me because (a) my before pics are in my underwear so are clearly not getting posted and (b) I'm only 50% of the way there...

cowzerp

g'em wrote:

@ cowzerp - thank you! Of course I really need to point out that I don't still look like that. Getting down to bf that low was unsustainable in the long-term and unhealthy - it interfered with my normal .. erm.. cycles and I always knew I'd have to put some weight back on. Then when I started to train for the PL comp my muscle mass shot through the roof, so I now weigh more than I did in the 'before' photos but have significantly less bf - a happy medium I guess

spot on gem-getting a healthy body fat that you can sustain is ideal-but at least it shows your potential-keep up the training-talk after........

Hanley

For those that have seen my pictures now. Does the 12% bodyfat range look about right?

cowzerp

Hanley wrote:

For those that have seen my pictures now. Does the 12% bodyfat range look about right?

Not really sure what you mean but you look in good shape at the moment-if your into bodybuilding, i would reccomend you drop another 3-4% for posing. you do power lifting so i would not be worried about body fat so much-you have some to play with either way-up or down thats your choice based on your ideal look.

yomchi

Hanley wrote:

For those that have seen my pictures now. Does the 12% bodyfat range look about right?

Dude your my hero, no wait..G'em is, ok ok both of you are

g'em

Jon wrote:

Dude your my hero, no wait..G'em is, ok ok both of you are

seriously dude... when's the sponsorship deal coming through?!??!

*ahem* taken from my fitness log, 30-12-2006:

g'em wrote:

fancy offering me some sponsorship???

Jon wrote:

LOL yeh sure but you have to win

heehee!!

Ciaran500

Deleted User wrote:

take a look at this..


http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/m.php

o_O

His head doesn't look like it fits his body

Malteaser!

cowzerp wrote:

Not really sure what you mean but you look in good shape at the moment-if your into bodybuilding, i would reccomend you drop another 3-4% for posing. you do power lifting so i would not be worried about body fat so much-you have some to play with either way-up or down thats your choice based on your ideal look.

he got a set of calipers and was wondering if the reading was right on them or not!!