fat tummy

lola_run

I want a sureproof way to get rid of my fat tummy.
I've given up the sweet stuff and started to go to a gym and do more sport in general, but I'd like some advice for somone who has once had a fat tummy and managed to get rid of it... advice much appreciated.

ps. I do situps in the morning, but realise I should be doing some cardiovascular exercise after for the whole thing to work. However, I'm not the greatest fan of jogging. Is there something else I could replace the jogging with?

Dragan

Please post details of your diet and excercise routine.

hunnymonster

you can replace running (what is jogging?) with anything that
1. gets your heart pumping and
2. moves lots of bits
How about cycling, swimming, inline skating, skipping, football, hockey, tennis tag rugby those horrible cross-trainers in the gym. The list really is endless.

I also need to lose weight and a tummy but 2 1/2 years of pertty hard-on cardio hasn't done it! so I've started reading what these guys (Transform, jsb, daveirl, g'em, Dragan, Hanley, Dr4gul4........) have been saying and I've started to improve my diet and add weight training.* I haven't lost any weight but when I dug last years summer clothes out of the wardrobe on thursday at least one skirt fell off! I've still a long way to go but listen to what they say. Much as I hate to blow their trumptes for them (they're pretty good at doing that themselves) it appears to work.

lola_run

hunnymonster wrote:

you can replace running (what is jogging?) with anything that
1. gets your heart pumping and
2. moves lots of bits
How about cycling, swimming, inline skating, skipping, football, hockey, tennis tag rugby those horrible cross-trainers in the gym. The list really is endless.

I also need to lose weight and a tummy but 2 1/2 years of pertty hard-on cardio hasn't done it! so I've started reading what these guys (Transform, jsb, daveirl, g'em, Dragan, Hanley, Dr4gul4........) have been saying and I've started to improve my diet and add weight training.* I haven't lost any weight but when I dug last years summer clothes out of the wardrobe on thursday at least one skirt fell off! I've still a long way to go but listen to what they say. Much as I hate to blow their trumptes for them (they're pretty good at doing that themselves) it appears to work.

Jogging: when you go slower than in running.

What I'm actually looking for is a sport that is effective as jogging for losing a fat tummy (not sure cycling works, as I do this already). I don't have access to a swimming pool or other water facilities. I have been on these cross trainers though and can feel my abs come on a lot, however the tummy still seems as fat as ever. (ok, I've only worked out four times so far).

God, I really hope I'm not stuck with this for two years... I can't even buy a new pair of jeans, it's so sad!

Crumbs

hunnymonster wrote:

(what is jogging?)

I'm not sure but apparently you just run, for an extended period of time.

g'em

your diet will be the #1 way that you will lose the tummy fat, exercise will just aid it. there's plenty of info in the stickies about good nutrition. have a read through them and then come back with questions.

maxi-twist

Crumbs wrote:

I'm not sure but apparently you just run, for an extended period of time.

Brilliant. OP Just read the stickies.

lola_run

maxi-twist wrote:

Brilliant. OP Just read the stickies.

I can't believe there are actually people who don't know what jogging means!

maxi-twist

Thats actually a quote from anchorman.

lola_run

maxi-twist wrote:

Thats actually a quote from anchorman.

Huh? Who is anchorman? I haven't seen his name anywhere on this thread.

ambman

my wife did the system10 diet. which involves a diet and a lot of walking and has lost 3st 9lbs. she lost 2st 7 lbs in the first 12 weeks

Hanley

lola_run wrote:

Huh? Who is anchorman? I haven't seen his name anywhere on this thread.

He's a good friend of Mr. Oblivious.

lola_run

ambman wrote:

my wife did the system10 diet. which involves a diet and a lot of walking and has lost 3st 9lbs. she lost 2st 7 lbs in the first 12 weeks

sounds good!;)

lola_run

Hanley wrote:

He's a good friend of Mr. Oblivious.

and who is Mr Oblivious??

Makaveli

It's not even funny anymore.

CerebralCortex

Makaveli wrote:

It's not even funny anymore.

Ya it is lol!

lola_run

CerebralCortex wrote:

Ya it is lol!

Yes, it's hilarious. Some eeijit saying some 'anchorman' said something on the thread. Some people have great imaginations, I guess!

maxi-twist

lola_run wrote:

Yes, it's hilarious. Some eeijit saying some 'anchorman' said something on the thread. Some people have great imaginations, I guess!

Never said anything about an anchorman saying anything on the thread actually. Thats just where the quote is from.Forgive me for explaining it to you.......................You obviously dont understand.

lola_run

maxi-twist wrote:

Never said anything about an anchorman saying anything on the thread actually. Thats just where the quote is from.Forgive me for explaining it to you.......................You obviously dont understand.

Well, it might actually help if you explained exactly instead of ranting on...

t-ha

Anchorman - a film starring Will Ferrell. Well worth a look.

A sport that burns calories = most of them if you put effort into them. However, if you want to get better advice than that I'd second the request for full info on your diet & current exercise.

Malteaser!

right, in an attempt to bring this back on topic, sit-ups and other ab exercises are basically going to do nothing for you at the moment, the only way you're going to get a 'toned' stomach is through dietry change.

the reason you still have a 'fat stomach' is because sit-ups won't 'spot reduce' the flab. The only way to get rid of it will be through a carefully planned dietry and exercise plan.

why don't you post your existing diet and exercise regime as suggested already by Dragan? [EDIT: and T-Ha]

lola_run

t-ha wrote:

Anchorman - a film starring Will Ferrell. Well worth a look.

Thanks, finally some one is polite enough to explain! Never heard of it though. Must be some American crap!

t-ha wrote:

A sport that burns calories = most of them if you put effort into them. However, if you want to get better advice than that I'd second the request for full info on your diet & current exercise.

I don't have access to my diary right now, but will do so asap.

Malteaser!

can you not remember what you've eaten today and yesterday??

lola_run

Malteaser! wrote:

can you not remember what you've eaten today and yesterday??

yesterday, no. today, yes.:
b.fast: glass of pineapple juice, 2 slices of multicereal bread, tea

dinner: fried salmon, wholemeal pasta and pesto genovese, glass of pineapple juice, apple, coffee

Malteaser!

is that a typical day or would you normally have lunch??

Dragan

There's actually so much wrong with that a little part of my heart just broke.

Read......the......stickies.

lola_run

Malteaser! wrote:

is that a typical day or would you normally have lunch??

No, I woke up late and didn't have time for lunch, as I spent an hour on my bike and another hour in the gym.

lola_run

Dragan wrote:

There's actually so much wrong with that a little part of my heart just broke.

Read......the......stickies.

By the way, I normally don't eat any bread, pasta or pesto. But today was Easter sunday and I took a day off my diet.

Hanley

lola_run wrote:

No, I woke up late and didn't have time for lunch, as I spent an hour on my bike and another hour in the gym.

I'm not sure if you even realise what that's doing to you...

Basically, loads of exercise and barely any food = non-existent metabolism.

Believe it or not, and counter-intuative as it seems, you're not doing yourself any favours trying to lose weight that way.

lola_run

Hanley wrote:

I'm not sure if you even realise what that's doing to you...

Basically, loads of exercise and barely any food = non-existent metabolism.

Believe it or not, and counter-intuative as it seems, you're not doing yourself any favours trying to lose weight that way.

Oh, really? What should I be doing then?

Hanley

lola_run wrote:

Oh, really? What should I be doing then?

Reading the stickies would be a good starting point.

Basically....

Find how many kcals you need to maintain your current weight. Multiply it by .85.

Divide this number by 4-6 and space the kcals out thru the day.

Eat in accordance with this. I like a 35/30/35 % protein/carb/fat ratio.

Try to eat most of your carbs before 5/6pm, and the fats after.

Train with weights 3x a week, full body routines.

Do cardio afterwards or on off days, maybe 2/3x a week.

Make sure you're sleeping well, 8 hours a night.

lola_run

I read on the stickies that you should only drink green tea or water during a diet and no other liquids.

Isn't this too strict?

I mean fruit juice has very few calories, as does tea and coffee. And not having a glass of red wine now and then to destress would be unimaginable for me. Surely, it's possible to lose weight without having to give up the drinks one likes. Obviously, I don't touch beer or soft drinks (I never drink soft drinks anyhow).

With relation to protein foods, I like salmon, lentils and tinned mackerel.
Surely, these are healthy foods! One thing, I can only fry the salmon (in olive oil, of course), as I don't have a grill.

tribulus

Salmon is great, fried salmon isn't as good, as lots of the fat in the oil is converted to it's trans form which can't be used easily.

Lentils are also good.

Fruit juice is not good tbh. Usually between ~50cals per 100ml so even a couple of glasses a day could equal 200cals+ of sugar.

Having this at your dinner which is presumably later in the evening is a bad idea.
You're better off just eating the fruit!

CerebralCortex

lola_run wrote:

I read on the stickies that you should only drink green tea or water during a diet and no other liquids.

Isn't this too strict?

I mean fruit juice has very few calories, as does tea and coffee. And not having a glass of red wine now and then to destress would be unimaginable for me. Surely, it's possible to lose weight without having to give up the drinks one likes. Obviously, I don't touch beer or soft drinks (I never drink soft drinks anyhow).

With relation to protein foods, I like salmon, lentils and tinned mackerel.
Surely, these are healthy foods! One thing, I can only fry the salmon (in olive oil, of course), as I don't have a grill.

Well you definitely should not use alcohol to relax even if it is red wine. Remember alcohol is a drug if you can figure out other ways to relax then your body will thank you for it.

tribulus

I also forgot to mention that alcohol has 7cals per gram of it so it's best to avoid it altogether, it's not that hard.

lola_run

CerebralCortex wrote:

Well you definitely should not use alcohol to relax even if it is red wine. Remember alcohol is a drug if you can figure out other ways to relax then your body will thank you for it.

Red wine is also good for the heart.

tinkerbell

lola_run wrote:

By the way, I normally don't eat any bread, pasta or pesto. But today was Easter sunday and I took a day off my diet.

I don't think there's anything wrong with bread so long as it's wholemeal or wholegrain (if you insist on getting slice pan bread) or brown bread. I like to buy freshly baked brown bread, it is amazing.

Nothing wrong with pasta either if you eat the brown version of it - wholewheat pasta. And it's nice, the taste isn't different to normal pasta. Also, switch to wholegrain rice than white rice. I switched months ago and it took me a few meals to get into it as the texture of wholegrain rice is so much different to white rice, but now that I'm used to it, I wouldn't dream of going near white rice again, it's just so much yummier! (There are actually unopened boxes of white rice still in our kitchen as we usually buy loads of boxes together.)

There's a sitcky here as well about food ideas, one of them is to wrap the salmon in tin foil, add some seasonings (lemon, pepper etc) and bake it for 20 mins in the oven. Better for you than frying it. Or else grill it.

Meh about the "one glass of wine to relax". Alcohol is fattening, wine would be high up on the list, especially white wine. If you have the attitude that you have to have one glass of wine to relax or that it's good for the heart, you could end up drinking way more than what is "good" for you. Personally, I don't drink wine as I have never liked the stuff. But I really think that there are other better things that you can have in your diet that are better for your heart, rather than wine. You can tell that I don't really believe in the idea that a glass a day is good for you!

Stock up on fresh vegetables. Steam your veg rather than boiling it so as to keep in more nutrients. Brocolli is very good for you. G'em has a sticky where she says to use as much colour in your veg as possible, green broc, carrots, red, green, yellow peppers, red onions, etc. Also tomatoes are very good for you. Eat lots of fruit. Drink lots of water. Cut out on the fruit juice or else make your own. Freshly squeezed orange juice is divine. Eat porridge for breakfast as it releases energy slowly (although I don't listen to this advice myself as I like to have my All Bran in the morning).

Cut out on sweets, chocolate, crisps (very bad for you!), icecream, etc. Do it for a few weeks and you will feel amazing after it. I did it for lent and I was suffering major withdrawals from chocolate for the first few days. After that, I just thought meh. Through improving my diet and not eating any of that crappy stuff anymore (I ate loads of fruit and fresh veg), I actually lost 7 pounds over the seven weeks and I am thin anyway. I also went to the gym a lot more and have noticed a significant difference in my legs, stomach and bum, but I only did this for the first 4 weeks or so of lent due to just not having the time to go, however I will be getting back within the next two weeks, but it's amazing what diet alone can do for you. Yesterday I had the tiniest bit of chocolate and I felt sick after it so I've gone off the taste of it now which is fantastic! Try it, and you will probably feel the same.

CerebralCortex

lola_run wrote:

Red wine is also good for the heart.

No the chemicals in grapes are good for your heart.

t-ha

Lola - first off, the list of protein sources is only an aide for people who don't know what to look for to increase their protein intake - it is not an exhaustive list. I can't imagine there is anything there about avoiding salmon, mackerel or lentils as they are indeed generally healthy foods & I eat them myself.

Regarding the drinking, basically this is telling you to be aware that many drinks also contain calories & that these calories count every bit as much as calories from food. People automatically count up what they've eaten when considering their diet intake, but calorie-containing drinks can add up. Regarding fruit juices I would almost always avoid these - opting instead for actual fruit. The reason is that fruit juices may as well be vitamin containing soft drinks as far as shifting the flab is concerned. Read the nutritional label and compare it to Cola.
Passion-fruit juice:13.6g sugar & 51kcal/100ml
Cola:: 10g sugar & 41kcal/100ml

I would not drink tea or coffee with sugar and/or milk in them. With coffee I would use it sparingly even if drinking it black as it has diuretic effects which can hamper metabolism & chronic use elevates cortisol (a stress hormone which is involved in breaking down muscle tissue. With tea, if you want to drink a cup of Barry's Gold Blend with no sugar or milk that's up to you, but other teas like earl grey, green, peppermint etc. are all much nicer by themselves with a bit of hot water. Green tea even has a slight thermogenic effect so it's actively good for your fat loss efforts.

As for the wine, there is research to show some health benefits, but again it contains calories, and also alcohol (which reduces blood testosterone - a hormone that makes it easier to be leaner, so reducing your natural levels isn't smart when you're trying to lose weight). It also makes many people drowsy (which is why they take it to relax) so you burn less calories in the evening than you would have otherwise. Besides that, the mere fact that you are so horrified to relinquish it makes it sound like you're relying on it a bit too heavily anyway like CC said.

Ultimately, if your efforts are working, then do whatever you want as long as it's still working. However, if you are still trying to find what works for you, I would absolutely recommend getting strict with yourself until you know it's working - then think about adding back in the odd glass of red wine and seeing how you take it. Just so you know, I don't know anyone that I would consider to be in good shape who drinks red wine every day - that's just a personal observation though but maybe something to think about.

lola_run

tinkerbell wrote:

I don't think there's anything wrong with bread so long as it's wholemeal or wholegrain (if you insist on getting slice pan bread) or brown bread. I like to buy freshly baked brown bread, it is amazing.

Personally, I try to avoid bread on a diet as it makes me bloated and fart.

tinkerbell wrote:

There's a sitcky here as well about food ideas, one of them is to wrap the salmon in tin foil, add some seasonings (lemon, pepper etc) and bake it for 20 mins in the oven. Better for you than frying it. Or else grill it.

Well, not all of us have ovens! frying is the only option for me!

tinkerbell wrote:

Meh about the "one glass of wine to relax". Alcohol is fattening, wine would be high up on the list, especially white wine. If you have the attitude that you have to have one glass of wine to relax or that it's good for the heart, you could end up drinking way more than what is "good" for you. Personally, I don't drink wine as I have never liked the stuff. But I really think that there are other better things that you can have in your diet that are better for your heart, rather than wine. You can tell that I don't really believe in the idea that a glass a day is good for you!

Red wine is actually quite low in calories. And yes, there are other things that can replace it I guess, such as grape juice and garlic. (I also love my garlic)

tinkerbell wrote:

Stock up on fresh vegetables.

A good half of my weekly shopping consists of fruit and veg, always fresh.

tinkerbell wrote:

Cut out on the fruit juice or else make your own. Freshly squeezed orange juice is divine. Eat porridge for breakfast as it releases energy slowly (although I don't listen to this advice myself as I like to have my All Bran in the morning).

Yes, I have porridge quite often, love it! The fruit juice I buy contains no sugar or additives, just pure juice, and is very low in calories. I drink a lot of juice, as it is good for the kidney and is packed with vitamins. It's my favourite beverage. Please don't tell me juice can make you fat!!!

tinkerbell wrote:

Cut out on sweets, chocolate, crisps (very bad for you!), icecream, etc. Do it for a few weeks and you will feel amazing after it. I did it for lent and I was suffering major withdrawals from chocolate for the first few days. After that, I just thought meh.

I would only ever eat chocolate once a month (when I have my periods) and I usually go for dark chocolate with nuts (high in iron and protein). As for sweets and crisps - never touch the stuff!

I seem to have a quite healthy diet and still have a fat tummy. Thus my conclusion is that it's more to do with a lack of physical exercise than diet.

maxi-twist

lola_run wrote:

I seem to have a quite healthy diet and still have a fat tummy. Thus my conclusion is that it's more to do with a lack of physical exercise than diet.

lola_run wrote:

yesterday, no. today, yes.:
b.fast: glass of pineapple juice, 2 slices of multicereal bread, tea

dinner: fried salmon, wholemeal pasta and pesto genovese, glass of pineapple juice, apple, coffee.

I certainly wouldnt be calling that a healthy diet.Try and have 6 meals a day with protein in most of them.If thats a sample of your everyday diet your definately undereating.

And yes,you should try to exercise more.

lola_run

t-ha wrote:

Regarding the drinking, basically this is telling you to be aware that many drinks also contain calories & that these calories count every bit as much as calories from food. People automatically count up what they've eaten when considering their diet intake, but calorie-containing drinks can add up. Regarding fruit juices I would almost always avoid these - opting instead for actual fruit. The reason is that fruit juices may as well be vitamin containing soft drinks as far as shifting the flab is concerned. Read the nutritional label and compare it to Cola.
Passion-fruit juice:13.6g sugar & 51kcal/100ml
Cola:: 10g sugar & 41kcal/100ml

I would not drink tea or coffee with sugar and/or milk in them. With coffee I would use it sparingly even if drinking it black as it has diuretic effects which can hamper metabolism & chronic use elevates cortisol (a stress hormone which is involved in breaking down muscle tissue. With tea, if you want to drink a cup of Barry's Gold Blend with no sugar or milk that's up to you, but other teas like earl grey, green, peppermint etc. are all much nicer by themselves with a bit of hot water. Green tea even has a slight thermogenic effect so it's actively good for your fat loss efforts.

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'll take it on board. No more black tea and coffee. Only green tea!

I've just had my lunch (rice-white, sorry, will buy brown though, onions, tomatoes, curry sauce, garlic and spices). Will have a fish salad for dinner.
Feeling better already. :-)

tinkerbell

lola_run wrote:

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'll take it on board. No more black tea and coffee. Only green tea!

I've just had my lunch (rice-white, sorry, will buy brown though, onions, tomatoes, curry sauce, garlic and spices). Will have a fish salad for dinner.
Feeling better already. :-)

Try and cut down as well on using jars of sauces from a shop. Make your own sauces instead. There are loads of recipes for this that are yummy.

Do you do any exercise? I'm a firm believer in that there is no point doing sit ups or crunches if you don't get your body fat down first. Do cardio and then once your bf is lower, then do the sit ups or whatever.

lola_run

maxi-twist wrote:

I certainly wouldnt be calling that a healthy diet.Try and have 6 meals a day with protein in most of them.If thats a sample of your everyday diet your definately undereating.

And yes,you should try to exercise more.

No, that's not a sample of my everyday diet.

My everday diet is more like:
porridge + juice + natural 0% yoghurt + coffee/tea

lunch: rice or fish salad + juice, coffee

dinner: fish and veg. + juice + water, tea

I seriously don't have time for 6 meals a day, well I would, but I wouldn't get any work done, I can't afford that many breaks during the day!!!

Beelzebub

lola_run wrote:

No, that's not a sample of my everyday diet.

My everday diet is more like:
porridge + juice + natural 0% yoghurt + coffee/tea

lunch: rice or fish salad + juice, coffee

dinner: fish and veg. + juice + water, tea

I seriously don't have time for 6 meals a day, well I would, but I wouldn't get any work done, I can't afford that many breaks during the day!!!

What about adding a protein shake, and maybe some cottage cheese with walnuts and fruit? There's 2 extra meals!

lola_run

Beelzebub wrote:

What about adding a protein shake, and maybe some cottage cheese with walnuts and fruit? There's 2 extra meals!

What's a protein shake??

tinkerbell

lola_run wrote:

What's a protein shake??

I don't really know much about them but you can buy tubs of protein stuff powder in health shops or from Fitness Ireland (I think?) and you add milk to it and that's a protein shake.

Someone here can give you more info as I can't

hunnymonster

that's it tinkerbell. Personally I don't like them as I find they taste chalky but I understand how useful they are and unless I continue to improve as I have been recently I will just hold my nose and get on with them.

Lola, I work silly hours. In fact I've been at work non-stop since friday morning but if you need extra meals you can fit them in. Luckily I have a microwave in my office so something like a scrambled egg in a pitta bread can be made in exactly 1 minute and with a bit of salsa tastes quite good! If all else fails drink a pint of semi-skimmed milk.


sorry about the jogging thing. I was actually trying to make the point that if you look it up in a dictionary you'll see it's what a horse does when it moves erratically. For a person you're either running or walking

lola_run

hunnymonster wrote:

that's it tinkerbell. Personally I don't like them as I find they taste chalky but I understand how useful they are and unless I continue to improve as I have been recently I will just hold my nose and get on with them.

Lola, I work silly hours. In fact I've been at work non-stop since friday morning but if you need extra meals you can fit them in. Luckily I have a microwave in my office so something like a scrambled egg in a pitta bread can be made in exactly 1 minute and with a bit of salsa tastes quite good! If all else fails drink a pint of semi-skimmed milk.


sorry about the jogging thing. I was actually trying to make the point that if you look it up in a dictionary you'll see it's what a horse does when it moves erratically. For a person you're either running or walking

Huh? No, a horse doesn't jog, it trots! lol! What dictionary do you use?

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=42806&dict=CALD

hunnymonster

The oxford english dictionary Are there others?

jog (v)
To shake or move (a heavy body) with a push or jerk; to throw up with a jerk; to shake up. To walk or ride with a jolting pace, ‘to move with small shocks like those of a low trot’ (J.); to move on at a heavy or laboured pace, to trudge; hence, to move on, go on, be off. More recently, to run at a gentle pace (esp. as part of a ‘keep-fit’ schedule).

lola_run

hunnymonster wrote:

The oxford english dictionary Are there others?

jog (v)
To shake or move (a heavy body) with a push or jerk; to throw up with a jerk; to shake up. To walk or ride with a jolting pace, ‘to move with small shocks like those of a low trot’ (J.); to move on at a heavy or laboured pace, to trudge; hence, to move on, go on, be off. More recently, to run at a gentle pace (esp. as part of a ‘keep-fit’ schedule).

Well, my Oxford says the following:
jog: 1 run at a steady, gentle pace, especially as a form of exercise
2 (of a horse) move at a slow trot

source: compact Oxford English dictionary

In any case, how many people actually say a horse 'jogs', I do think this is very outdated usage...

Jogging is a different sport to running, as we all know.