Dolphin Slaughtering [WARNING: CONTAINS SCENES DEPICTING ANIMAL ABUSE]

Oriel

I didn't see anything about this recently, so I thought I'd post.
It makes for some unpleasant viewing, so approach with caution.

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How the hell could anybody do this?

S.

Bob the Builder

I dont know, it's bad enough being paid to kill them, but then there's people eating it... not good!:(

kaizersoze123

fcuking japs

Unpossible

sinecurea wrote:

How the hell could anybody do this?

Well we see this and think of "flipper" or those images of dolphins being our smart friends. Whereas I bet those fishermen see them purely as a catch. Tell me if this was a video of fishermen hauling onland a bunch of swordfish (or any other large fish) would you be equally as outraged? I know I wouldn't. so thats how I think "people could do this", but like you I see dolphins and see friendly mammals not a potential dinner

easyontheeye

that was so upsetting, bastards!! its bad enough what they are doing, but watching them wiggle like that with their necks slit open dying slowly. The could have at least given them a quick painless death... those japs are more animal than the Dolphins themselves!

kaizersoze123

Unpossible wrote:

Well we see this and think of "flipper" or those images of dolphins being our smart friends. Whereas I bet those fishermen see them purely as a catch. Tell me if this was a video of fishermen hauling onland a bunch of swordfish (or any other large fish) would you be equally as outraged? I know I wouldn't. so thats how I think "people could do this", but like you I see dolphins and see friendly mammals not a potential dinner

Dolphins are highly intelligent animals, unlike swordfish

brianthebard

Cows are intelligent too but I still eat them.

xebec

That's horrible. It's worse than any whaling pictures I've seen. I really wish the Japanese would realise the horror that these practices cause for the rest of the world.

Dave!

nevf wrote:

I dont know, it's bad enough being paid to kill them, but then there's people eating it... not good!:(

If there's people killing them, then it's a good thing that they're being eaten, rather than it just being for sport, or to make dolphin skin shoes or somethin......

Blush_01

I can't watch the clip. I just don't think I could stomach it. Lol at Dave's Dolphin skin shoe idea though.

super_furry

It's no worse than what happens to sheep, cows and pigs.

Unpossible

kaizersoze123 wrote:

Dolphins are highly intelligent animals, unlike swordfish

You missed my point entirely

PeakOutput

the video is old and has being the rounds.

yes its sickening and is animal abuse but they dont have a better way of making a living as far as i can see and the japanese government cant afford to provide them with an alternate profession i dont think there is no reason for this video but shock value and attention seeking imo(not necessarily from the op)


saying the japanese are animals is reactionary ignorance. welcome to the real world it is no different to how most mass caught fish are killed (dolphins aremammals but i doubt the japanes fishermen know the difference) the only difference is the size of the animal being killed. cows are regularly bled to death to be fit for coshir consumption and no1 bats an eyelid.

dolphins are more inteligent. that does not mean they feel anymore or less pain than a swordfish does

i have no problem with them killing any type of animal in a humane and controlled way.

The_B_Man

ye we get ur point. as in, regualr fish get gutted in front of us and we dont bat an eyelid, but if it were a dog or monkey, we;d probably vomit. some animals are clsoer to us tho.

seamus

Unpossible wrote:

Well we see this and think of "flipper" or those images of dolphins being our smart friends. Whereas I bet those fishermen see them purely as a catch. Tell me if this was a video of fishermen hauling onland a bunch of swordfish (or any other large fish) would you be equally as outraged? I know I wouldn't. so thats how I think "people could do this", but like you I see dolphins and see friendly mammals not a potential dinner

In general, it's expected that "civilised" countries will make an attempt to catch and kill animals for food in a humane way. While this doesn't always happen, any infringements are generally treated with serious disdain or legal penalties. Japan though, despite being a "civilised" country is different, and there's a certain amount of medieval barbarism in the way they kill some of their animals for food. Such as the above.

A particular Japanese delicacy prides itself on the fact that the animal is drugged and mostly gutted, but served to the diner while still alive. This may be normal for them, but that doesn't make it right.

PeakOutput

The_B_Man wrote:

ye we get ur point. as in, regualr fish get gutted in front of us and we dont bat an eyelid, but if it were a dog or monkey, we;d probably vomit. some animals are clsoer to us tho.

thats irrelevant and generally only a western opinion as people eat dog and monkey all over the world. an animal is an animal is an animal.....we are animals too we just happen to be top of the food chain most of the time.

i dont see how you can justify the opinion that because that animal is smart he deserves a painless death but because that one isnt you can do wat u wish weather it be for food or sport

by taking that viewpoint to an extreme you can justify killing a brain dead orphan in a brutal way just because he has no intelligence to speak off(an absolute extreme i know but its the same idea)

No animal should be treated any worse than is absolutely necessary

ot

A particular Japanese delicacy prides itself on the fact that the animal is drugged and mostly gutted, but served to the diner while still alive. This may be normal for them, but that doesn't make it right.

id love to know how they serve fish slices with a still beating heart........that is truly miracolous

The_B_Man

the monkeys do be still alive i think, with their brains poppin out thru the table. apparently ya eat the brains wit a spoon. nasty.

PeakOutput

The_B_Man wrote:

the monkeys do be still alive i think, with their brains poppin out thru the table. apparently ya eat the brains wit a spoon. nasty.

ye the monkey knife fights the customer beside you's monkey as they are eating its a true spectacle

insafehands

super_furry wrote:

It's no worse than what happens to sheep, cows and pigs.

Certainly not in the majority of civilised countries. Animals such as those above are killed quickly. While perhaps they may feel a bit of pain which is unfortunate, they aren't left to die like those dolphins. Plus, they're not dragged from their natural habitat (dolphins = water, livestock = land) to be killed.

The two don't even compare.

RoundyMooney

PeakOutput wrote:

id love to know how they serve fish slices with a still beating heart........that is truly miracolous

It's a nervous response a la the chicken in the farmyard thing, which is most likely over-exaggerated urban myth. I remember a few years back (fishing background), filleting dogfish, funnily enough to feed to greyhounds, that were about three hours out of the water, and they wiggled on the block despite decapitation.

In Britland, they are common fare, as "Rock Salmon" IIRC.

nesf

What a fair and balanced commentary in that video.



Honestly, is it worse for people that it's a dolphin slowly suffocating there than a cod or haddock? Or is it a case that it's only cruel when it's a mammal involved?

Mahatma coat

more anti Japanese Pinko liberal shoite,

Japan is an old nation with ancient customs and it own way of doing things, did ye notice that no one in the video gave a sh1t about the Dolphins cept the rather fair and unbiased narator.

I'd be curious now to see what a pair of dolphin leather boots would be like.

cozmik

There is a LOT I admire about Japan, but I despise their murder of whales and dolphins.

Mossy Monk

cozmik wrote:

There is a LOT I admire about Japan, but I despise their murder of whales and dolphins.

Is it any different to the murder of cod or haddock? Or the murder of cows and sheep?

WindSock

Mossy Monk wrote:

Is it any different to the murder of cod or haddock? Or the murder of cows and sheep?

Dolphins are far cooler. I don't see many people queuing up and paying to swim with cod and sheep. But yeah it is a custom blah blah just like bullfights in spain and sadly I would admit that if I were in Japan and offered a peice, I would try it due to my must taste everything policy.

r3nu4l

We keep talking about "civilised" countries killilng animals more humanely...yet in Islam meat should only be eaten if the animals throat has been slit while invoking the name of Allah. Very akin to the "uncivilised" practice with the dolphins.So are we now saying that Muslims are uncivilised people?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's horrible to see an animal die llike that, I really do. I wonder have you ever seen how borrle-nosed dolphins kill their prey and each other? It's gory, they use their noses as battering rams and they are quite often very bloody afterwards. These animals are highly intelligent, they can hunt in packs or individually and they are beautiful but they are animals at the end of the day...

Do the people viewing this as cruel ever eat tuna? Despite the so-called 'dolphin friendly' methods of tuna-fishing, many dolphins still die thanks to tuna-fleets. These dead dolphins are not even eaten by anyone, so their deaths are even more pointless.

bizmark

Personally i couldnt care less what happens to any animal tbh

Schlemm

Ever seen battery or broiler chickens?

Now that's something that'd make your stomach churn!:eek:

RuggieBear

Jesus, some of you people should go work on a farm (especially if you eat meat/fish)...animals die in all sorts of gruesome ways for our consumption.

Schlemm

RuggieBear wrote:

Jesus, some of you people should go work on a farm (especially if you eat meat/fish)...animals die in all sorts of gruesome ways for our consumption.

Totally agree...so many people think that meat is just something that you buy in a shop. They haven't a clue about how animals are reared, slaughtered and bred.

JC 2K3

Typical PETA video.

No, it's not particularly nice watching animals be killed, but that's the reality of life.

If people actually knew how the meat they buy in the shop was produced then they'd either be vegetarians or videos like this wouldn't bother them so much.

cormie

Compared to a lot of other videos I've seen on animal rearing and slaughter, this one is very tame and a lot more humane.

For a start the process seems much quicker in that they are free, surrounded, caught and taken what appears to be only up the road where they are immediately killed in what appears to be the most humane way possible.

Just because the Japanese enjoy different dishes to us, it doesn't mean it's any better to kill something our country is used to eating than to kill a Dolphin.

Intelligence shouldn't come into it, maybe humans are not intelligent enough to be able to discover that the "non intelligent" creatures in the world do actually have intelligence and emotions.

If you don't agree with this, then you shouldn't eat any meat as this is as tame as it gets.

brianthebard

Schlemm wrote:

Ever seen battery or broiler chickens?

Now that's something that'd make your stomach churn!:eek:

Yup. People should worry about the treatment of animals in their own country before passing judgement on others. Fortunately the majority of livestock in Ireland are treated very well, but chickens are a terrible exception.

Pigman II

Such barbarism! Did we learn NOTHING from that movie "the Passion of Mr. Jesus"?

NotMe

I have to say these kind of videos really make me think. I enjoy eating meat. I buy it from the supermarket and don't think about/ care how the animal died or whatever. If I had to kill a pig/cow/chicken myself to eat meat I don't think I could. Does that make me a hypocrite?

I find the video of the dog/cat fur farms much more disturbing. I think it is acceptable that people killed animals for clothing in the past but now there are plenty of synthetic substitutes it's just not necessary.

Although I guess the same could be said about meat. Hmmm I have conflicting views on the killing of animals.

boreds wrote:

I don't see many people queuing up and paying to swim with cod and sheep

I seriously laughed. Swimming with sheep... could be a new tourist attraction.

Ciaran500

And beating someone to death in public isn't sick?

Mossy Monk

Humans don't count.

PeakOutput

Big Knox wrote:

People like this should be publically beaten to death. Sick ****s.

hypocrite much??

Supercell

Are Dolphins vegetarians or do they eat other poor defenceless fish alive?

When we breath we kill lots of defenceless organisms. Hard as it may seem, just because they are cute, doesn't give them any more right than that cow, pig , sheep or dog that put down in an Irish Dog home because we don't give a fúck as a society.

Sorry, no heart is going to bleed here. Are your shoes made of leather, did you eat bacon, beef ,cheese, egg etc etc today?

The only way not to kill anything is to simply not exist, even when you die your rotting corpse probably kills some bugs..that just the way it goes.

Your alive, be thankful of that, many many creatures died to make your post possible.

thelordofcheese

All this thread has done is made me curious as to what dolphin tastes like. I reckon it'd be damn tasty.

TerrorFirmer

easyontheeye wrote:

that was so upsetting, bastards!! its bad enough what they are doing, but watching them wiggle like that with their necks slit open dying slowly. The could have at least given them a quick painless death... those japs are more animal than the Dolphins themselves!

Exactly. It's not so much the fact they're killing them, it's how. Show a similar video of somebody disecting ants with the same terminologies, mother and offspring references and music and it'd touch a chord too. Still though, disgusting.

carbonkid

That video is pretty hard to watch but i say its not too far off with happens to cows and sheep in this country. Its a dirty job but long as its nicely packed for us in dunes we're happy.

PeakOutput

carbonkid wrote:

That video is pretty hard to watch but i say its not too far off with happens to cows and sheep in this country. Its a dirty job but long as its nicely packed for us in dunes we're happy.

nah cows and sheep are killed relatively humanely in this country but in other especially jewish and muslim countries they have to be bled to death but no1 bats an eyelid about it

carbonkid

PeakOutput wrote:

nah cows and sheep are killed relatively humanely in this country but in other especially jewish and muslim countries they have to be bled to death but no1 bats an eyelid about it

And im sure thats the case in most farms but if the farmer messes up the kill maybe he'll just leave the animal bleeding to death. My point is everyone gets all up'n'arms after seeing that video but its not too far off what happens every where all over the world all the time.

PeakOutput

carbonkid wrote:

And im sure thats the case in most farms but if the farmer messes up the kill maybe he'll just leave the animal bleeding to death. My point is everyone gets all up'n'arms after seeing that video but its not too far off what happens every where all over the world all the time.

well they are killed in slaughter houses..............the cows get put on a conveyor belt and as they are moved around they are giving a large electric shock to "knock them out" then they are shot in the head. at least this is how it was explained to me......if its a smaller scale then they dont get a shock and are just shot in the head.........

i know what you mean though im sure mistakes happen and animals inevitably suffer

Mossy Monk

See how they slaughter pigs. Gordon Ramsey shows us this in an episode of his "F Word" programme.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2N5gC5XZDc

Not for the squeamish.

Schlemm

PeakOutput wrote:

well they are killed in slaughter houses..............the cows get put on a conveyor belt and as they are moved around they are giving a large electric shock to "knock them out" then they are shot in the head. at least this is how it was explained to me......if its a smaller scale then they dont get a shock and are just shot in the head.........

i know what you mean though im sure mistakes happen and animals inevitably suffer

I've been to abbatoirs and most of them are of a very high standard.
Cattle are stunned by a bolt gun which knocks them unconscious and are then bled out by cutting the vena cava, this is what kills them, but unlike ritual slaughter, they should be unconscious at the time of killing.

The pig abbatoir I've been to used gas as a method of pre-slaughter stunning, before bleeding out the pigs (this is where your black pudding comes from). From people I've talked to who have worked in abbatoirs, the old methods of electrical stunning were not the nicest, and the gas stunning is better. However, there is some evidence that gassing pigs may cause respiratory irritation and that modern electrical stunners are better, provided they're used correctly. They don't use bolt guns on pigs because of the shape and thickness of their skulls.

Slaughter in fur farms is another area of concern as many minks are gassed in large numbers, and gassing tends to be unpleasant for them and the fact that they are killed in large numbers can be stressful. There is also no vet supervision on fur farm slaughter. Fur farming is legal in the republic, although I can't figure out why it's still fashionable this day and age

Anyway, there's a lot of extremists out there talking and sensationalising animal slaughter and whatnot. However, the slaughter of animals for food will continue regardless of them so we might as well make it as humane as possible, as well as improving standards for rearing these animals. Firstly, buycotts work better than boycotts, so demand Irish meat and eggs from traceable sources, free range if possible. Labelling laws have loopholes which allows imported meat to be labelled as Irish in certain circumstances, eg in restaraunts/takeaways/or if the meat has been processed into something in Ireland, eg, nuggets or burgers. So make sure you're buying Irish, as imported meat may not have been produced at as good a standard as we have here. Secondly, read up on balanced views on animal slaughter: Temple Grandin has done some great work in this field (www.grandin.com) and Compassion in World Farming and the Humane Slaughter Association (www.ciwf.ie and www.hsa.org.uk) take a balanced, realistic and practical view towards promoting good animal welfare.

mikemac

Mossy Monk wrote:

See how they slaughter pigs. Gordon Ramsey shows us this in an episode of his "F Word" programme.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2N5gC5XZDc

Not for the squeamish.

You couldn't have done it any more humanly
One of the comments has this link....see how they do it in the Ukraine
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DcbW7MQDqoQ

Not this is unsettling and the guys haven't a clue

nesf

Mossy Monk wrote:

See how they slaughter pigs. Gordon Ramsey shows us this in an episode of his "F Word" programme.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2N5gC5XZDc

Not for the squeamish.

Eh, what's wrong with that? The animal was stunned with an electric shock and then it's throat was cut while it was still stunned. That is about as humane as you get.



One thing lads, try to keep the videos "watchable". There's no need for videos of animals being skinned while they are still alive or anything.

Schlemm

It was really ironic that there was outrage after that Gordon Ramsay show! Everyone who eats meat should know where it is coming from and how it wound up in your plate, and should demand high standards of production. Long ago when people would have a sow in their back garden, they would slaughter the sow and would use every part of her possible for meat and nothing would be wasted,...nowadays we can't get enough cheap meat, we're eating out of buckets, in our cars, wherever. Farmers are getting paid less per carcass and this is driving production to more intense levels, which ultimately leads to welfare compromises, e.g., farrowing crates and dry sow stalls in pigs, battery/broiler cages for chickens, production diseases and disorders. We can push animals only so far, and many new EU laws are trying to reverse these intensive production conditions. However, these laws are fairly moderate at best and farmers will have to spend a fortune redesigning intensive chicken and pig farms without making a signifigant impact on their welfare.

Mossy Monk

nesf wrote:

Eh, what's wrong with that?

Who said there was something wrong with it? Just educating people as to how it's done. I never said there was something wrong with it.