[PR] Adamstown Station - services begin 10th April

Victor

http://www.iarnrodeireann.ie/news_centre/general_news.asp?action=view&news_id=256

Adamstown Station - services begin 10th April by Corporate Communications

Customers are advised that trains will begin serving the new Adamstown Station from Tuesday 10th April 2007.

The new station, the first fully privately-funded station on the Iarnród Éireann network, will serve Adamstown, Ireland's first Strategic Development Zone (SDZ). SDZs ensures development and infrastructure are provided hand in hand.

Service schedules for Adamstown are:

Monday to Saturday:

Services from Adamstown - Heuston
Services from Heuston - Adamstown

07.04HRS
13.39HRS
06.35HRS*
16.05HRS

07:29HRS
15:18HRS
07.35HRS
17.15HRS

07.59HRS*
17.38HRS
08.35HRS
18.05HRS*

08.19HRS
19.20HRS
09.35HRS
18.50HRS

09.04HRS
20.08HRS
11.40HRS
20.05HRS

10.09HRS
21.43HRS**
12.10HRS
20.35HRS

11.19HRS
22.22HRS
13.35HRS
21.45HRS

12.49HRS
23.19HRS
14.05HRS
22.45HRS

15.35HRS




*Monday-Friday, **Saturday only



Sunday

Services from Adamstown - Heuston
Services from Heuston - Adamstown

11.39HRS
17.44HRS
10.15HRS
16.15HRS

13.44HRS
20.09HRS
12.20HRS
18.15HRS
15.44HRS
14.15HRS

Full timetable details are available at www.irishrail.ie

Iarnród Éireann looks forward to welcoming customers aboard at Adamstown.

GerardKeating

Victor wrote:

http://www.iarnrodeireann.ie/news_centre/general_news.asp?action=view&news_id=256

According to the Irish Rail websire, it seems to get from Docklands to Adamstown, requires thres changes and takes over two hours.

Would it take any major engineering works to get the Kildare line trains to use the PPT into Docklands ?

Pineapple stu

GerardKeating wrote:

According to the Irish Rail websire, it seems to get from Docklands to Adamstown, requires thres changes and takes over two hours.

Would it take any major engineering works to get the Kildare line trains to use the PPT into Docklands ?

yes, it would have to cut through the graveyard at glasvevin junction and new cross-over put in place plus signaling etc.

GerardKeating

cymro wrote:

yes, it would have to cut through the graveyard at glasvevin junction and new cross-over put in place plus signaling etc.

Why would it need to do that, it already by-pass it, and joins the lines into Connolly after the graveyard, and the midland line is just beside it.

MarkoP11

It was promised by IE, its on record before the Joint Committee on Transport.

If Docklands station had been built correctly it would work but the connection wasn't considered despite the promise

Even if Glasnevin Junction was rebuilt it wouldn't actually solve the problem, the entire plan hinged on the fact when a train to Kildare from Docklands passed Glasnevin Junc one from Docklands to Maynooth passed in parrallel any other way and trains start getting in the way of each other

KC61

The good news for commuters is that despite statements to the contrary being expressed elsewhere on the internet, the extra stops at Sallins on the 0630 service from Carlow and the 1715 service to Newbridge are retained following the opening of Adamstown Station today.

Perhaps a case of ask before you leap?

Zebra3

So will there be loads of posts later on in the day about how commuters are being left in out of the way area of the city centre?

MarkoP11

KC61 wrote:

The good news for commuters is that despite statements to the contrary being expressed elsewhere on the internet, the extra stops at Sallins on the 0630 service from Carlow and the 1715 service to Newbridge are retained following the opening of Adamstown Station today.

Perhaps a case of ask before you leap?

So explain this screen grab

Up until the second week of March the extra stops from Sallins post April 10th where withdrawn, that can be proven beyond any doubt.

Some argument followed with an IE manager who contradicted the timetable IE had provided when questions where raised about capacity and punctuality following Adamstown opening if they where retained, there is considerable anger in Kildare and Newbridge of these extra stops the link being made between the 'unscheduled stops' and the appalling punctuality.

A matter of days later a new timetable was put online which kept Sallins, however this is not a 'till December 2007' its seems to be on a rolling weekly basis which indicates the Sallins stops are still in limbo

A quick trip to the IE site will reveal that they don't even know

Its no coincidence a certain senior manager IE lives in Sallins, you can be sure some phone calls where made when it was discovered the timetable returned to its published state after April 10th, remember IE seem to operate for its staff not its customers

KC61

I've no idea about the location of IE manager's residences, nor what phone calls were or were not made, but what I do know is that the stops are still being made and they appear to be in the journey planner for the rest of the year (from a few sample checks), and that you categorically stated several times that these trains would not stop there at all!

I'm merely making the point that you should perhaps have corrected yourself and clarified that they are in fact still in situ for the benefit of anyone who would have thought otherwise having read your original comments!!!

Victor

What? Stops are still being made that aren't in the timetable? They do that on Connolly approach all the time.

Went out today. Its kinda in the middle of nowhere at the moment, the only thing within about 1km is a building site for the primary school, although planning permission is in for the secondary school and for preparation works for the town centre.

The station has a canvas roof similar to Dun Laoghaire, but being on a flat plain is rather windy, both 'indoors' and out.

Spacious concourse. Exit validation (partially in use). Lifts all working. 4 platforms and possibly space for a fifth. Cleaning crew out washing the fences for the official opening next week.

The energy saving facility that turns off the light in the toilets is a little too zealous. Sound insulation not enough when a Mk 3 / 4 goes past at full belt.

icdg

I tried finding the station today, but eventualy gave up. Some signs wouldn't go amiss...

spacetweek

Victor wrote:

Went out today. Its kinda in the middle of nowhere at the moment, the only thing within about 1km is a building site for the primary school, although planning permission is in for the secondary school and for preparation works for the town centre.

Used to live out that way myself. Wondering, when you come out of the station, is the only possible route you can take the one leading to the completed sections of Adamstown?

Or is it possible to access the old winding Tandy's Lane which would provide a more direct route up to the old Lucan Village?

Victor

icdg wrote:

I tried finding the station today, but eventualy gave up. Some signs wouldn't go amiss...

Look at the 440kV overhead power lines, only one of the masts (20-25m high) is north of the railway. The station is a few hundred meters west of this. This is where an old bridge crosses the railway. It is still there, but gated. There is also a tower crane being used to build the primary school.

Victor

Photos

Pineapple stu

coming up from lucan village, cross the main road heading towards newcastle, just after the lord lucan pub, spar shop etc take a right into apartment complex called Adamstown,go straight then right at junction and its about half to three quarters of a mile down. You can't miss it, it looks like a hang-glider. Its going to be in years to come a very busy station because there is 10 years of buiding going on around it. Its going to be surrounded by houses/apartments.

Victor

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/breaking/10189353?view=Eircomnet

First trains arrive at Adamstown
From:ireland.com
Tuesday, 10th April, 2007

Trains today rolled into the new station at Ireland's first purpose-built commuter town.

Adamstown in West Dublin is unique as community facilities are being built before residents move into local houses and apartments.

The new station is also the first fully privately funded one on the Irish Rail network and will operate 15 daily services, beginning at 7.04am. Commuters can reach Heuston Station in 15 minutes.

"As times go on, the capacity can be expanded in tandem with the needs of local residents and commuters," Irish Rail spokesman Barry Kenny said.

The station, near Lucan, will be officially opened next week by Taoiseach Bertie Ahern.

Under Adamstown's status as a Strategic Development Zone, roads and general infrastructure must be in place before residents arrive. Residents are slowly moving into phased housing developments, which are focused on family living.

Irish Rail opened its Docklands Station last month - the first in the capital for 116 years. Phoenix Park Station is due to be opened later this year.

KC61

Victor wrote:

What? Stops are still being made that aren't in the timetable? They do that on Connolly approach all the time. .

What happened was twofold. IE made a pretty basic error in scheduling the evening services out of Heuston. They changed the schedule in December, with the 1715 commuter service to Newbridge not stopping at Sallins and introduced a Sallins stop on the 1725 Intercity service to Limerick. However, it did not occur to them that there might be passengers for Sallins from either Parkwest or Clondalkin! The change meant that anyone who lived in Sallins and worked in Clondalkin or Parkwest had to wait until the 1810 service from Heuston to get home, a full hour later!

After protests from various groups (including, quite rightly, P11) an official timetable change was made to re-introduce a Sallins stop on the 1715 train.

The second change was to introduce a Sallins stop on the inbound 0630 from Carlow to alleviate pressure on the following train, the 0535 service from Limerick.

Both these stops are in the journey planner on IE's website.

The point that I am trying to make here is that P11 as a lobby group are very quick to criticise IE when something goes wrong, or where they fail to inform passengers of alterations to services. And in many cases these criticisms are quite justified.

However, a clear statement was made on their site which stated that the additional stops would be cancelled from April 10th and nothing to the contrary has been posted up by them, despite the fact that it is perfectly clear that the services are still serving Sallins!

I am merely suggesting that it would be sensible for them to correct the misleading information currently on their website and inform potential passengers who might read that the stops were withdrawn, that they are in fact still in situ. It's no more than they would expect IE to do!!

patrickc

KC61 wrote:

The good news for commuters is that despite statements to the contrary being expressed elsewhere on the internet, the extra stops at Sallins on the 0630 service from Carlow and the 1715 service to Newbridge are retained following the opening of Adamstown Station today.

Perhaps a case of ask before you leap?

it's not good for us on the 06.30 from Carlow, which used to get in almost ten minutes earlier, and now gives us 8.00 starter's a whole 5 minutes to get to work. (that's when the train is on time)

KC61

patrickc2006 wrote:

it's not good for us on the 06.30 from Carlow, which used to get in almost ten minutes earlier, and now gives us 8.00 starter's a whole 5 minutes to get to work. (that's when the train is on time)

Fair point! I should have qualified my comments as referring to Sallins commuters.

Pineapple stu

GerardKeating wrote:

Why would it need to do that, it already by-pass it, and joins the lines into Connolly after the graveyard, and the midland line is just beside it.

Coming into the junction the two lines are seperated by the graveyard,there is no way the train can come from heuston and turn a sharp s bend and go into docklands unless they take the end of the graveyard away and they wont do that.

loyatemu

cymro wrote:

Coming into the junction the two lines are seperated by the graveyard,there is no way the train can come from heuston and turn a sharp s bend and go into docklands unless they take the end of the graveyard away and they wont do that.

I don't think so - afaik there used to be a scissors junction there and access to the docklands line from the cabra line was possible
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&z=16&ll=53.365535,-6.276348&spn=0.005723,0.014591&t=h&msa=b

Slice

The point that I am trying to make here is that P11 as a lobby group are very quick to criticise IE when something goes wrong, or where they fail to inform passengers of alterations to services. And in many cases these criticisms are quite justified.

I'm sure P11 would be equally quick to highlight a case where they managed to affect a change for the better with IE so it's probably just an oversight.

KC61

Slice wrote:

I'm sure P11 would be equally quick to highlight a case where they managed to affect a change for the better with IE so it's probably just an oversight.

Absolutely, and they would be quite right in doing so.

However, they still haven't made a correction of the misleading statement regarding the trains stopping at Sallins on their website two days after being made aware of it...something they have themselves castigated IE for on previous occasions.

It is one thing to criticise someone for not correcting an error (especially when they fail to correct it themselves), but when you don't practice what you preach it becomes rather hollow!

All I am saying is that in order to avoid confusion they should post a correction on their site - that's all!

MarkoP11

Firstly we made no representations to seek the additional Sallins stops, we did not because to do so was not in the overall passenger interest and indeed offered a pitiful time saving of 5 minutes at the cost of serious punctuality issues to the detriment of the vast majority of passengers. Sallins had already gained an extra service the 17:50. We however are keeping a very close eye on the punctuality and reliability performance of services post Adamstown. We have issued no notice, no press release, its not on our official website either

If someone has a issue why post it on boards? We have our own perfectly good forum. Or is it the usual crap to cause trouble elsewhere in a cheap manner. The posts in question at the time of posting where 100% accurate and wont be edited since they form a record of past state of the timetable which highlight the continuing disaster in Irish Rail to communicate with passengers. There is no definitive update either.

Its quite clear to us if we had not posted precise details of the proposed timetable post April 10th in February (at the time the printed timetable, online journey planner and internal timetables matched) the unofficial stops would have been replaced with the published stop in Adamstown from April 10th no one in Sallins would have noticed till last Tuesday, clearly they did as did Irish Rail cop someone knew there game. We can't be held responsible for the ad hoc changes IE management do, after all they never gave an official notice concerning the Sallins stops or the now later arrival times in Heuston on the effected train. Thats a breech of the customer charter and the MOU document, extra stops are fairly pointless unless they are communicated clearly to the potential users. Its not the first time there was a identical case early last year on the Kildare line where the extra stops where completely justified as a service had been withdrawn, that is not the case in 2007

Unlike last year Irish Rail have presented no solid information by showing the 6:30 from Carlow as running on a rolling weekly basis, which is suggestive of continuing uncertainty you cant provide any information given this. The train is considered suspect and untrustworthy until Iarnrod Eireann clarify there position which they have been given a chance to but have not. Ball is in there court to indicate that this is permanent under review or whatever

Its clear that the timetable now in operation, albeit unofficially is impossible. The 17:25 to Limerick will hit a problem at Sallins when it catches the 17:15. Sallins passengers by having the 17:15 stop gain a massive 5 minutes over taking the 17:25, the stop on the 17:25 can't be removed since the train will be stuck at a signal in Sallins regardless. The 17:10 to Athlone could make the stop for no pain avoiding this mess but it doesn't why because the 17:15 specifically now calls to suit a whim of a passenger in Cherry Orchard going to Sallins said passenger can go Cherry Orchard Heuston Sallins or Cherry Orchard Newbridge Sallins on a Cherry Orchard Sallins ticket, so a passenger stops a train with 250+ on board and delays them?? The timetable now seeks to operate trains between Heuston and Newbridge at intervals equivalent to the DART line which clearly won't work.

The primary complaint coming in from Kildare line passengers is the utter shambles the service is, trains leave late but arrive early. trains leave on time and arrive late. In fact less than 65% of trains arrive at Heuston within 5 minutes of published time, UK standards applied here would seek something in the 85-90% bracket. IE are so lame that the standard is 85% to within 10 minutes and even that they can't currently achieve. Thats a disgraceful performance. In fact the view is such that no extra trains or stops be added until the current mess is sorted out which is a sensible position.

All the passengers want is the train to
a) Show up on time
b) Arrive at destination on time, not early, not late
c) Be the same length on a consistent basis
d) Not to make unpublished extra stops en-route

One word summerises this and its reliability, that is the absolute key to public transport

The 6:30 from Carlow, known to Newbridge commuters as the 7:07 is well known to be a disaster zone, IE managers don't seem to have a clue why, its late before it even gets to Newbridge so with the extra unofficial stop it is causing yet more pain.

Pineapple stu

loyatemu wrote:

I don't think so - afaik there used to be a scissors junction there and access to the docklands line from the cabra line was possible
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&om=1&z=16&ll=53.365535,-6.276348&spn=0.005723,0.014591&t=h&msa=b

Have you been there at all? Train comes from clonsilla crosses over the junction and heads for connolly, If it went straight on it goes to docklands and if needed can get to platform 7 in connolly. The line from heuston brings you into connolly and also after drumconda goes down to church road/north wall. At glasnevin junction there is a per-way access ramp leading from the back of des kellys onto trackside, between this ramp and the end of the graveyard there is not enough room and irish rail are not going to waste money on doing it up to run kildare trains after spending millions doing up heuston.

John R

cymro wrote:

Have you been there at all?

Loose the attitude, he said AFAIK and he is partially correct.

There was never a scissors junction there but when originally built the junction did give access from the Islandbridge line to both MGW (canalside) and GSWR (Drumcondra) lines to Connolly and North Wall. The GSWR line did not give access to the Sligo line at the time.

It was altered to it's current layout when mainline trains were diverted from Broadstone to Connolly as the GSWR line is the only one that gives access to Connolly Platforms 1-6.

cymro wrote:

Train comes from clonsilla crosses over the junction and heads for connolly, If it went straight on it goes to docklands and if needed can get to platform 7 in connolly. The line from heuston brings you into connolly and also after drumconda goes down to church road/north wall. At glasnevin junction there is a per-way access ramp leading from the back of des kellys onto trackside, between this ramp and the end of the graveyard there is not enough room and irish rail are not going to waste money on doing it up to run kildare trains after spending millions doing up heuston.

There would be room to put in a scissors junction but as has been previously said it would lead to conflicting movements. What I would have liked would have been a connection from the GSWR line to Docklands station just north of the station, the lines run very close to each other here.

Running some Kildare line trains to Drumcondra and Docklands would have been a very beneficial option for the short term until Interconnector.

Spencer Dock/Docklands underground will be connected to the GSWR line as it will use the spur from it to the northern line.

Pineapple stu

first thing there was no attitude and secondly i wasnt replying to you so kindly mind your own. People seem to post on here using google earth as their only reference and with no local info. I know the rail network very well and whats going on. Adamstown was the first new station to be built, there are two more to be built, park west ( To replace clondalkin and cherry orchard and one in Kishouge which is inbetween adamstown and park west.

markpb

cymro wrote:

first thing there was no attitude and secondly i wasnt replying to you so kindly mind your own.

If you want a private discussion that others should stay out of, why are you posting here?

Pineapple stu

Grow up.:mad:

Victor

Behave! or else!

loyatemu

cymro wrote:

first thing there was no attitude and secondly i wasnt replying to you so kindly mind your own. People seem to post on here using google earth as their only reference and with no local info. I know the rail network very well and whats going on. Adamstown was the first new station to be built, there are two more to be built, park west ( To replace clondalkin and cherry orchard and one in Kishouge which is inbetween adamstown and park west.

I admit I have no local info, but I do know that the junction used to be the other way round - it is not unreasonable to suppose that the old connection could be restored.