The Nurses.

slipss

Well the nurses are at it again. I was just wondering what everyone thought about the nurses demands and thier industrial action so far and planned strike to follow.

Dr Galen

slipss wrote:

Well the nurses are at it again. I was just wondering what everyone thought about the nurses demands and thier industrial action so far and planned strike to follow.

the way u say at it again makes it sound like nurses are out on strike every other week.........which simply isn't true now.

i'd advise anyone that is interested in the subject to take a look at both the INO and the HSE websites and read the bits regarding this. there is a lot of stuff flying around in the media which to be honest isn't all true. At least by reading both the INO point of view and on the flipside what the HSE are saying you canmake up your own minds

DarkJager

Whinging about not having a 35 hour week and wanting more pay again, even though they succeeded with a similiar protest a few years back. Money grabbing bastards the lot of them, they make me absolutely sick with the whining they go on with.

They need to look like this TBH.

But, I don't know, maybe the amount of crap they deal with on a daily basis means they should get paid that much?

is_that_so

TBH I will say that they are running it very well. All the speakers I have seen have been well-prepared. I would have a lot of concern about any group who demands 10% and a 35 hour week. It is also disquieting that every time Liam Doran speaks he mentions more industrial action. Health and hospitals is an extremely emotive subject and IMO the longer it goes on the more likely they are to lose what support they have. They are after all in a job in what is effectively a job for life.

purple'n'gold

DarkJager wrote:

Whinging about not having a 35 hour week and wanting more pay again, even though they succeeded with a similiar protest a few years back. Money grabbing bastards the lot of them, they make me absolutely sick with the whining they go on with.

They whinge so much about how bad off they are, am I missing something? Are they forced into the job? Is coercion used to make them be nurses? Fact is, they are permanent and pensionable civil servants and they are flexing their industrial muscle because they know they will get away with it.

PeakOutput

they should get the raise in my opinion they should not in a million years be giving a shorter working week with the state the health service is in.............sure it would be nice for them but far from necessary and will only mess things up further

and also that nurse in cavan who told the mother of a really sick shild "your entitled to your opinion" when she was told it was ridicolous that her 8 week old kids test results would not be given to the doctor because the nurse couldnt be arsed ringing the lab when the baby is **** blood should be severely disciplined

DarkJager

PeakOutput wrote:

they should get the raise in my opinion they should not in a million years be giving a shorter working week with the state the health service is in.............sure it would be nice for them but far from necessary and will only mess things up further

Why should they get a raise? So they can come out again in 3 years time and demand another one?

Stench Blossoms

I've always wondered why people get into a profession which they know is challenging before they decide to do it and then moan about it.

purple'n'gold

and also that nurse in cavan who told the mother of a really sick shild "your entitled to your opinion" when she was told it was ridicolous that her 8 week old kids test results would not be given to the doctor because the nurse couldnt be arsed ringing the lab when the baby is **** blood should be severely disciplined

This is absolutely disgraceful and should be investigated as a matter of urgency. Is there a chance that criminal proceedings can be brought here?

Dr Galen

Fact is, they are permanent and pensionable civil servants and they are flexing their industrial muscle because they know they will get away with it

FACT is that most of us aren't permanent at all, most of us are on temporary contracts. yes we may be pernsionable, but that doesn't do me much good now. and no, we're not flexing our muscle because we can get away with it, we're protesting over what we see as unequitable situations within the health service. Its pretty obvious that you didn't take the time to look into any of the arguments on either side of the debate, but instead decided to spout right wing nonsense.......PD voter are we? private sector worker, stuck in a dreary nine to fiver......afraid to say boo to anyone or stick up for your rights as an employee in case the big bad private sector boogey man throws u out? come on get serious here.

I'm far from a pinko commie trade unionist, yes i believe in aspects of it, but i also think that some trade unions go too far, but, the type of rubbish that these 2 posters are coming out with is a disgrace. back up your arguments guys....show whatever intelligence you've got

Dr Galen

purplengold wrote:

and also that nurse in cavan who told the mother of a really sick shild "your entitled to your opinion" when she was told it was ridicolous that her 8 week old kids test results would not be given to the doctor because the nurse couldnt be arsed ringing the lab when the baby is **** blood should be severely disciplined

This is absolutely disgraceful and should be investigated as a matter of urgency. Is there a chance that criminal proceedings can be brought here?

probably not, because despite what was reported nurses rarely gt involved in test results, that type of thing is going down a diagnosis line. which legally is the remit of a doctor. what generally does happen though is that doctors rely on the nurses to do this kind of thing as they too are overworked and haven't got the time to do this kinda thing.

i don't know all the ins and outs of this case, but they may be a case where individual nurses have to think very carefully about how they commmunicate with patients and relatives. a simple explanation probably would have sorted this issue, rather than a brush off

purple'n'gold

It’s hard to imagine that anyone would use a very sick baby as a pawn in their industrial dispute.

boffin

purplengold wrote:

Are they forced into the job? Is coercion used to make them be nurses?

No they are not forced into that job but many leave nursing because of the conditions that they work in and the pressure of their job. If it was not for the extra nurses coming in from aboard that are propping up our health system when these nurses leave I can't even imagine the state it would be in.

PeakOutput

DarkJager wrote:

Why should they get a raise? So they can come out again in 3 years time and demand another one?

no because apparentyl they do get paid less than the unqualified health care assistants that they work beside which is not fair imo thats why i think they should get the money

shorter week.....its laughable

Malteaser!

the way i see it is, that this is a career choice on the part of the nurses, they knew what they were getting into when they decided on the profession and if they weren't happy with the conditions then they should have chosen something else to do! none of these people were forced into their job!

boffin

I'm not a 100% sold on the 10% increase but I definately think tho that nurses who are living in the larger cities such as Dublin, Cork and Galway should get an additional living expense - I believe they do something similiar for nurses living in London.

Dr Galen

PeakOutput wrote:

no because apparentyl they do get paid less than the unqualified health care assistants that they work beside which is not fair imo thats why i think they should get the money

shorter week.....its laughable

thank u for looking into the reasoning behind the dispute

as for the shorter working week......... if in the place you worked 20 years ago you were tld you would the first person to work 35hrs a week by your boss, then over the intervening period, everyone else that you worked with got those shorter hours, but you still didn't...wouldn't you be pissed off? This is despite the fact that you brought it up several times and were told, "ah yeah, we'll get it sorted" but it never was......

nurses didn't go into this not prepared to give anything. the unions offered to engage in a programme of reform within the Health service looking at everything from expanding the role of the nurse to changes rosters. they also said that the 35 hr week could be worked on, and that if we got a time for when it could be implemented, then, we could start to plan for it and look at how it will happen, but the employers said NO, not the nurses.

Dr Galen

Malteaser! wrote:

the way i see it is, that this is a career choice on the part of the nurses, they knew what they were getting into when they decided on the profession and if they weren't happy with the conditions then they should have chosen something else to do! none of these people were forced into their job!

i'm sorry but how can this be qualified as an argument against anything. why is it a bad thing to want to improve your lot? to try and change what you see as unfair conditions of employment?

of course no one was forced into the job, but i really don't think anyone who trots out this argument has any understanding of what it is like to be any of the health professionals (doctors/nurses/physios etc). despite the professionalisation of the job, nursing and the others are still very much vocational, in that people tend to choose to do the job because they want to give something back, or to help people. maybe not a fashionable thing to say these days but in the main its true.

DarkJager

Lots of people in different jobs get promised things that never materialise...its part and parcel of working life. Get used to it.

Dr Galen

DarkJager wrote:

Lots of people in different jobs get promised things that never materialise...its part and parcel of working life. Get used to it.

so we should just put up with it is what your saying? cool. your entitled to that opinion but i'll ask you, why shouldn't nurses get something? what is your issue with it? anything other than basic anti-nurse sentiment?

boffin

PeakOutput wrote:

no because apparentyl they do get paid less than the unqualified health care assistants that they work beside which is not fair imo thats why i think they should get the money

shorter week.....its laughable

I took this from the ino website - it was offered to resolve the above situation...it applies to approx 100 nurses of the 40,000........

What was the offer on pay?

They offered to pay a care supervisors allowance to those staff nurses in the intellectual disability services who are responsible for supervising staff who are paid more than them.

Nightwish

I work in the Health Service, and I've never met a more annoying bunch of people than the nurses. They want to work less hours for more money. Their 39 hour week includes paid lunch breaks. My 35 hour week doesnt include that. If my union had Liam Doran at the helm, we'd all be getting paid holidays to Mauritius!

The other nursing unions can go through the government benchmarking process, why can't the INO? What makes them so special that the benchmarking process is beneath them? If they succeed in their strike (which I hope they don't), it undermines benchmarking entirely which means any other public sector workers will strike rather than talk, the next time they want a pay rise.

boffin

nurse_baz wrote:

why shouldn't nurses get something? QUOTE]

I honestly really don't like this kind of statment...

Dr Galen

this offer bascially just makes it ok for the unqualified care workers to get paid more than nurses across the board who go to college for 4 years and study for an honours science degree. hardly seems right?

you'll probably also see on the site, that since 2000 we've lost thousands of Irish trained nurses out of our system. bearing in mind that it cost about 80 grand to educate a student nurse, that seems like an awful waste. Whats one of thier main reasons for leaving???? Working conditions.....

Dr Galen

boffin wrote:

nurse_baz wrote:

why shouldn't nurses get something? QUOTE]

I honestly really don't like this kind of statment...

sorry
on re reading what i wrote i don't think i phrased that correctly
my question was that the poster outline his/her reasons for nurses not getting what they ask for? i basically just want people to come out with more than, ah tough luck type of answers,

mikemac

boffin wrote:

I'm not a 100% sold on the 10% increase but I definately think tho that nurses who are living in the larger cities such as Dublin, Cork and Galway should get an additional living expense - I believe they do something similiar for nurses living in London.

Never going to happen. You give this to this our group and sure enough the gardai, teachers and everyone else will be looking for it.

I hope the nurses fail in their pay strike. Whatever about pay and working hours, nurses get a fantastic pension. Yes, I know it's the same as all other health professionals but maybe nurses should remember this great benefit before they start making demands.

Dr Galen

Nightwish wrote:

I work in the Health Service, and I've never met a more annoying bunch of people than the nurses. They want to work less hours for more money. Their 39 hour week includes paid lunch breaks. My 35 hour week doesnt include that. If my union had Liam Doran at the helm, we'd all be getting paid holidays to Mauritius!

The other nursing unions can go through the government benchmarking process, why can't the INO? What makes them so special that the benchmarking process is beneath them? If they succeed in their strike (which I hope they don't), it undermines benchmarking entirely which means any other public sector workers will strike rather than talk, the next time they want a pay rise.

my lunch breaks aren't paid........
and as for other nursing unions....well there is only one SIPTU, and not withstanding the fact that they got into bed with the government a long time ago, and for a lot of thier members have lost a lot of relevancy, they agreed to benchmarking as the super-union that they are. BUT...... lodged their own claims....pretty identical to the INO/PNA claims directly with the employers, they just didn't make as much noise about it. kinda, let the INO/PNA take the flak and we'll pick up the benefits thing.

as for benchmarking.....haven't several other unions rejected it? teachers/bank officals?

boffin

nurse_baz wrote:

this offer bascially just makes it ok for the unqualified care workers to get paid more than nurses across the board who go to college for 4 years ans study for an honours science degree. hardly seems right?

you'll probably also see on the site, that since 2000 we've lost thousands of Irish trained nurses out of our system. bearing in mind that it cost about 80 grand to educate a student nurse, that seems like an awful waste. Whats one of thier main reasons for leaving???? Working conditions.....

For your first point - I don't understand what you mean - in terms of your take home pay an allowance deducts your income and therefore you pay less tax -- in terms of take home pay its an increase but just a different way of doing instead of increasing pay. However in terms of net wages those nurses are better off. It works the same as the uniform allowance that nurses get.

In terms of your second point if you read my earlier post I made the same point and agree with you in terms of working conditions --- the work is stressful but does increased pay stop stress and decrease work load.

Traumadoc

There are real problems with staff retention of front line nurses- I have worked in hospitals in Dublin that have lost nearly all their half decent nurses.

They are being lost to administration and the easier life in management- funnily no-one in management wants to become a frontline nurse.

Steyr

Deleted User wrote:

But, I don't know, maybe the amount of crap they deal with on a daily basis means they should get paid that much?

They knew they type of **** they were going to have to deal with so **** em, Money grabbing bitches.

Marksie

micmclo wrote:

Whatever about pay and working hours, nurses get a fantastic pension.

Won't bother my sister in laws best friend who was forced back to work after a debilitating viral illness. Initially part time then after two weeks put on full duties, she went into respiratory arrest and died two day later.

Oh and a partner is the sole nurse in a day care centre for the elderly. OFFICIALLY she works 35 hours, but she is in there til 9 most nights organising everything from the food to doing the accounts.

Dr Galen

i think there is some confusion here, i was talking specifically about the offer the employers made to unions, basically saying that for the nurses that they pay anomaly affected, THEY would get the increased allowance. NOT al the other nurses working in the system,

this is what i mean when i say it basically institutionalises the idea that nurses should get paid less then the childcare worker

as for your second point......i dunno if it does it not, i'll tell you in a few months

seriously though, when a job has increased stress levels, increased repsonsibility etc etc, normally what happens is that people get paid more. thats why, to use and example, CEO's et shedloads while data inputters get considerable less.
over the past number of years the workload, responsibility and educational requirements to be a nurse, have shot up, but with NO pay increase, this leads to the situation we have now, where u have a lot of angry nurses, who feel undervalued etc workin the system.

boffin

nurse_baz wrote:

over the past number of years the workload, responsibility and educational requirements to be a nurse, have shot up, but with NO pay increase, this leads to the situation we have now, where u have a lot of angry nurses, who feel undervalued etc workin the system.

I think that your battle is that many people feel like that in the private sector as well.

I know from chatting to people that many feel that in compensation for your career choice you have job security for life, the ability is dramatically increase your pay through overtime and a pensionable job which are luxuries many don't in the private sector. These benefits many people believe out weight the perceived problems that are being quoted as reasons for increased pay.

Dr Galen

but you see we don;t have a job for life, you only have to look across the water to the NHS where layoffs are common and from friends I have over there, it is increasingly difficult to get work as a nurse, even though they have a nursing shortage in real terms. also i'm not permanent staff, thats a misnomer. I might be wrong, but i think this is down to the employment ceilings introduced by the employers.

the same goes for overtime, there isn't the overtime bonanza that people seem to think. if you were dedicated and did overtime (if it was even availible) every month or week, sure you could come out with a few grand extra, but i'm talking 4 or 5 more, not 15k. as well as that, after working the week, your that knackered, both physically and emotionally that going back in to do overtime is the last thing on your mind.

Flukey

I'm not a nurse, but I can see a lot of what they are saying. There is a lot of "if they didn't like the job why did they go for it?" in this thread. The fact is that they do like their job, but they are not getting enough chance to do it as they are lumbered with other things that should not be part of their job. Does the surgeon have to come in and scrub the floors of the operating theatre before he does an operation? "Of course not, it is not his job" I hear you say. You are correct. Yet nurses are expected to do jobs that they should not be doing. Instead of looking after patients, which is the job they applied to do and want to do, they are off cleaning out toilets and doing other such work that others should be doing. Their patients are being neglected then. Nurses have been promised improvements as far back as 27 years ago. They are still waiting. Meanwhile, others around them have been getting promised improvements. Who amongst you, if promised some improvements in your working conditions 27 years ago and had not got them yet, would be happy with that? There are a lot of people that would be reading this thread that would not have been even born 27 years ago. So, it is a long time to wait.

boffin

That is the problem maybe - there is alot of misconceptions out there - I do feel that nurses do a great job but I am still to be convinced about the pay thing - but sure maybe Liam Doran will change my mind!!!

timmywex

i think they do great work but........

the 10% increase is a non runner for me and the government are not going to give it either, if they get it,all state employees will want it,

the 35 hour week tough i think would be ok and wouldnt mind them getting that, no problem there

the HSE dont want them on strike either tough, there's another group threatning it at the moment aswell

Dr Galen

timmywex wrote:

i think they do great work but........

the 10% increase is a non runner for me and the government are not going to give it either, if they get it,all state employees will want it,

the 35 hour week tough i think would be ok and wouldnt mind them getting that, no problem there

the HSE dont want them on strike either tough, there's another group threatning it at the moment aswell

could you explain why the 10% is non-runner for you?

and just to say, i deffo don't want to be on strike or anything like it right now either. its a whole world of hassle

timmywex

10% is a huge amount to go with a shorter working week, all other employees wil start crying out for it and it will cost millions, i just dont agree with it, i think the shorter week would mean a pay rise because they are getting the same pay for less work so the amount per hour is going up,

pred racer

Nurse_Baz, you are not gonna get alot of sympathy here, the rest of us work in jobs where if we dont like the pay and conditions, we go look for a different job. I know alot of nurses and sure, they do a hell of a job, but when they start moaning at me I give them the same advice..."go do something else".

Dr Galen

timmywex wrote:

10% is a huge amount to go with a shorter working week, all other employees wil start crying out for it and it will cost millions, i just dont agree with it, i think the shorter week would mean a pay rise because they are getting the same pay for less work so the amount per hour is going up,

do you understand why nurses are looking for the 10% and why it is a separate issue to the shorter working week?

KerranJast

IMO the nurses should be given their pay rise and the Govt. should try and encourage a few more people to become nurses in order to allow the workload on nurses to be lessened. Tired and stressed people make mistakes. In the private sector that = lost money. In the health service that = dead people. Forget about it encouraging the rest of the civil service to look for a pay rise. IMO there's no comparison between pen pushers in the various departments and the critical work done by nurses and junior doctors. There needs to be a financial incentive to attract good people to stressful and even dangerous jobs. Firefighters, Gardai directly involved in fighting drug gangs and nurses should be paid more than their fellow civil servants.

timmywex

nurse_baz wrote:

do you understand why nurses are looking for the 10% and why it is a separate issue to the shorter working week?

yes, i do realise there is an issue with junior people reporting to other nurses getting paid more but think there are other ways of sorting this out

Dr Galen

pred racer wrote:

Nurse_Baz, you are not gonna get alot of sympathy here, the rest of us work in jobs where if we dont like the pay and conditions, we go look for a different job. I know alot of nurses and sure, they do a hell of a job, but when they start moaning at me I give them the same advice..."go do something else".

i can totally see your point here, i worked in the private sector for quite a while myself, and as previously noted, even ran a business.. but i was never one to go along with the put up or shut up mentality.

i love my job, and throughly enjoy what i do, yeah its ****ty and stressful sometimes. emotionally its draining all the time. but there can be great moments. i really don't want to do anything else.......and why should i be forced to.

again i ask, whats wrong with people looking to improve their conditions? to hear some people within the private sector talk, you'd think that it was all a big share and share alike, altruistic love in, but its not. it appears that a lot of you are in jobs that you really don't like very much, but are kinda stuck there (mortgages,rent, loans etc need to be paid) and i'm not knocking that, but please don't try and talk down to, or patronise those of us who actually enjoy our work, and want to do better out of it.

for those (not you pred racer) that have called nurses greedy, u just think about the last time u were in hospital, or someone close to you was, and see if that holds any water. when i'm regularly out of work late because i took an extra 15 minutes with your dying granny, or held your dads hand for 2 hours while a doctor explained to him that he would be dead in 2 months, think again about some of the bull**** thats been posted here about nurses being greedy

seastar

I'm not a nurse but I support the nurses strike. It's not an ideal situation but this government doesn't seem to listen to anything else. I feel that the arguements against the nurses being made on this thread are small-minded, made by the same type of people who give out about teachers holidays.

Dr Galen

timmywex wrote:

yes, i do realise there is an issue with junior people reporting to other nurses getting paid more but think there are other ways of sorting this out

well.......... 6 years ago we tried to do that, then in benchmarking round 1, then again in benchmarking - towards 2016, then again throught the Health services own procedures for dealing with disputes. its not like this has just crept up on anyone......we've been talking about this for a long time now.

the same goes for the 35 hour week, it was early 80's when the Labour Court said that nurses should be the first to get it. thats a long time coming, meanwhile, all other grades of health professional of our level, and below, have gotten it.........

so when 20 odd years of talking gets you no where what do u do?

kizzyr

pred racer wrote:

Nurse_Baz, you are not gonna get alot of sympathy here, the rest of us work in jobs where if we dont like the pay and conditions, we go look for a different job. I know alot of nurses and sure, they do a hell of a job, but when they start moaning at me I give them the same advice..."go do something else".

Well actually I fully support the nurses in what they are looking for and really hope they succeed.
I am not a nurse but do work in the health service and have done for a good while now and am constantly amazed and disgusted at how badly treated this group of people, who do a huge amount of work, are.
Yes they are looking for a shorter working week but that shorter working week only brings them in line with everyone else who works in the health service i.e 35 hours. Doctors are only on a 32 / 33 hour week so why should nurses who work in the same areas and with the exact same people be forced to work longer?
Those who are in the admin/clerical grades not only get a 35 hour week up to and including the grade 7 positions (who at this grade get 30 days annual leave) also get flexi leave so effectively get 12 more days on top of this, a shopping day at Christmas, a privilage day at Christmas and Easter just for the heck of it and Good Friday too. Nurses get none of this.
Effectively they are paid less and asked to work longer than others in the health service and so should be respected for the job they do, the qualifications and experience they bring to their roles and anyone who objects to this.....................well I suggest you get yourself into A&E on any given Saturday night and tell me those men and women do not deserve what they are asking for.

purple'n'gold

“they are off cleaning out toilets and doing other such work that others should be doing.”

Why on earth would a nurse clean a toilet? Don’t they have people to do that? And would it not be totally unhygienic for a nurse that is handling a patient to be mucking about in a toilet?

purple'n'gold

Those who are in the admin/clerical grades not only get a 35 hour week up to and including the grade 7 positions (who at this grade get 30 days annual leave) also get flexi leave so effectively get 12 more days on top of this, a shopping day at Christmas, a privilege day at Christmas and Easter just for the heck of it and Good Friday too. Nurses get none of this.

No one should get any of this, its part of why our public service bill is over the moon.
Go work in the private sector and see how many privilege days you will get. You will have the privilege of seeing your employer get a hernia laughing at the mere mention of it.

constitutionus

personally im fully in support of the nurses. i cant name any sector , public or private, that'd wait 27 years to get the same working hours as everyone else in their industry. and as to the wages its funny how everyone in the media is screaming about the increase but dont want to talk about the fact 46% of health expenditure is spent on administrators, who by the way should be the ones answering the phones and liasing with other labs and hospitals not nurses.

TBH the thing thats bothering me the most is the media reaction to it. its the most biased demonizing bile ive ever heard, particularly claire byrne on newstalk. the thick bitch actually compared opening the door or answering the phone once or twice in newstalk to the extracontractual work the nurses are made do on a daily basis. im sure newstalk's receptionist is delighted to know dennis obrien can sack her at anytime cause clair's willing to do her work for free:rolleyes:
there's something really sinister going on here with what looks like corporate ireland looking to crush union representation by an orchestrated campaign against the nurses when anyone whos actually been in a hospital knows the only people your likely to see are nurses and junior doctors. i mean has anyone actually seen an administrator? what do these ****ers do to deserve 7 billion a year??
and the patronising manner in which the debate is conducted. theyre either "saints" and " angels " or money grabbing bitches. well im sorry but I Thought they were professionals and as such as entitlled to sue for redress like everyone else. just because half the posters that post here are celtic tiger morons who dont know what a recession is and think the working condidtions they have just appeared out of thin air doesnt mean there are sectors out there, public and private, which are based on continual abuse and exploitation. and people in those professions have every right to do everything in their power to address the situation.

i think the nurses shouldve gone on actual strike from day one! but then again we wouldnt have seen the scaremongering from the HSE about how the work to rule (which by the way just means you do what your PAID to do) was causing such "dificulty". maybe the HSE would be better off explaining why day to day running of a health service involves depending on people doing work that ISNT their responsibility whilst simultaneously keeping on detrius like the entire 11 ex health boards at a cost to the tax payer of over 1 million a year on just the heads alone till they retire and the jobs cease to exist. HELLO! ever heard of redundancy? justs give the ****ers two weeks pay for every year they were there and thats the end of it, but no, harney has to give em jobs for life with bench marking .

christ im sorry but im just so angry by the ignorant comments by posters and the media on this issue. like anyone could pay you enough to be puked on by a heroin addict or end up on a six months course of drugs cause some scumbag with HIV attacked you in A & E with a syringe he dragged out of his own arm:mad:

its not a "vocation" its a profession and these people have got the short end of the stick for over two decades. FFS WW1 and WW2 together were resolved shorter than this dispute. theyre only asking for what they deserve and if the money's hard to come by sack a few administrators. at 70k ago it shouldnt take that many to make up the difference. christ knows nobody'd miss them !

and dont start me on the "go elswher if your not happy" crap. nurses are the ONLY profession that are still emmigrating. practically 90% are gone in two years!