lipotrim

anonymous69

has anyone heard of this diet? my friend did it, lost 10pounds first week, but it costs €65/week???!

any experiences on it?

Ph3n0m

yes and you are basically starving yourself while you are on it - which anyone will tell you - is not very healthy.

Best to sort out your diet and exercise - story..end..of

Sleepy

Ph3n0m is right. Lipotrim strips off your muscle as well as your fat leaving you with a slower metabolism than you had before you started taking it meaning you'll put back even more weight as soon as you come off it.

It's possibly the most dangerous dieting fad this side of bulemia.

Dragan

Thread moved. Please try and post in the correct forum as it's pretty obvious which ones are logs.

Also, try searching for Lipotrim and you will find some old threads about it.

I will also point out right now that Lipotrim threads normally descend into chaos!! So lets keep calm!

numorouno

calm calm calm calm:D

under no circumstance DO NOT TRY this thing. i did it for a day and a half last october and it was easily the worst thing i ever did.i was absolutly starving, had terrible headaches and felt depressed.

its been said time and time again the hard way is the best way and iv seen that after liptrom. the week after i came off that i joined a gym, started training properly and now since then iv lost 3 stone and i feel great.

IMO lipotrim is a disaster. my 2c

daveirl

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rubadub

anonymous69 wrote:

has anyone heard of this diet? my friend did it, lost 10pounds first week, but it costs €65/week???!

any experiences on it?

No your friend lost 65euro per week, also lost lots of water, lost muscle and screwed up his metabolism.

Only suitable for severely obese people where the terrible side effects of such an extreme diet outwiegh the even worse medical threat of the immediate weight they are carrying.

Femelade

My cousin is on it at the moment. she will be finishing up her 4th week this weekend.
she lost over 6 lbs the first week, over 6 lbs the 2nd week and over 2lbs the third week.
Her aim is to lose 2 stone. she was hoping she could do it in the month but she is now planning on doing it for 5 more weeks!!
personally i wouldnt have the will power to give up food for even a day, not to mind a few months...but she says that she has alot more energy now, and she drinks alot of water which in turn is making her skin much better she says.


/edit..2000th post..w00t!

Sleepy

Yeah, and as soon as she comes off it, she'll gain lbs at an incredibly fast rate. Lipotrim is something for the chronically obese i.e. those who will lose their lives if they don't lose weight immediately, not for a girl who wants to lose a few pounds. There's a reason so many people end up doing different fad diets because no one of them works. The only thing that does work is a constant healthy balanced diet combined with a proper exercise routine. But people don't want to hear that because it's hard to do. They'd rather pay some snake-oil salesman peddlling them a quick-fix that will do nothing but destroy their metabolism and ensure they need another diet program within weeks of coming off their one....

Red05

Sleepy wrote:

Yeah, and as soon as she comes off it, she'll gain lbs at an incredibly fast rate. Lipotrim is something for the chronically obese i.e. those who will lose their lives if they don't lose weight immediately, not for a girl who wants to lose a few pounds. There's a reason so many people end up doing different fad diets because no one of them works. The only thing that does work is a constant healthy balanced diet combined with a proper exercise routine. But people don't want to hear that because it's hard to do. They'd rather pay some snake-oil salesman peddlling them a quick-fix that will do nothing but destroy their metabolism and ensure they need another diet program within weeks of coming off their one....

She may do, but thats not 100%. I was on, I came off it and have continued to lose on average 2lbs a week following this boards guidelines - calorie deficit etc. It is an extreme crash diet though, I think it only works for people who are in the right headspace, it seems to be abused by the "yo-yo dieter"

Femelade

well once she comes off there is special diet that she wil have to stick to for a few weeks, and once off that just watch what she is eating. She is a member of curves and will be still goin got that 3 days a week to keep weight off.
I'm not in any way saying that this diet is a good idea. Its her choice to go on it..its making her happy to get weighed every week and seeing what she has lost. She is not finding the diet very difficult. I do hope she can keep it off.

Sleepy

Femmy wrote:

well once she comes off there is special diet that she wil have to stick to for a few weeks, and once off that just watch what she is eating. She is a member of curves and will be still goin got that 3 days a week to keep weight off.
I'm not in any way saying that this diet is a good idea. Its her choice to go on it..its making her happy to get weighed every week and seeing what she has lost. She is not finding the diet very difficult. I do hope she can keep it off.

From what I know of curves (very little being a man and not allowed through the door) their levels of resistance training are extremely low - i.e. you don't develop muscle*. The lipotrim diet will decimate your cousins levels of lean muscle as the body will take calories from here as quickly as it will from her adipose (fat) stores. As it's our muscles which burn most of the calories we use this means her metabolism won't be able to burn what it was before she started the lipotrim diet so any return to her former diet (or even a diet slightly below what she was previously eating in terms of calories) will be far more than her body can now burn off so the fat stores will build up again.

Lipotrim will make you lighter and slimmer yes. However, odds are that your bodyfat percentage will be no better or quite probably worse than it was before you went on it. So unless it's used in *extremely* controlled circumstances it's a horrendous example of a stupid fitness fad that only actually serves to make you less fit than you were in the beginning.

Advise your cousin to do some research on how lipotrim works and nutrition in general. The stickies at the top of this forum would be a good start, g'em has put together some excellent stuff there. If she's got half a brain she'll come off the lipotrim after learning something about how her body works.

*note that developing muscle does not mean getting 'bodybuilder' muscles - that takes far more than simply lifting lifting some reasonable weights, think years of extremely tough work-out routines and near-perfect dieting.

t-ha

Sleepy wrote:

Lipotrim will make you lighter and slimmer yes. However, odds are that your bodyfat percentage will be no better or quite probably worse than it was before you went on it.

No it will be significantly lower, but as you correctly pointed out, so will her lean mass so her metabolism will need repairing once she's finished.

My issue with Lipotrim is this, eventually everyone who wants to stay in good shape must learn to control their diet/exercise properly. For example, I know a friend who used ridiculous amounts of different fat-burners over the course of more than a year (ridiculous amount of time) to get himself into reasonable condition. Ultimately he took my advise to stop taking them (they raise blood-pressure and increase your resting heart-rate = not good, especially for extended use) but didn't have the self-discipline without them to keep exercising and not eat crap and went back to his chubby self very quickly. AFAIK he's back on fat-burners again but now they aren't working as well for him anymore.

Take home point: He used a quick-fix and did ultimately get the body he wanted, but it was a fleeting thing as he didn't know how to keep it. My staying in good shape now requires the same dedication as losing the fat in the first place. Just make sure your friend understands that she can't go back to the lifestyle she had before or it's only a matter of time before her physique is back where it was.

Saruman

The diet works but its very severe and requires a lot of willpower, more so than simply eating healthy
My wife did it for a few months and hated it but it worked and she lost a lot of weight.. she put some back on but nothing serious.
Its expensive but when you take into account you are not eating or drinking ANYTHING other than lipotrim its not so bad.
The shakes are not nice, although the vanilla tastes like weak semolina pudding

There is a side effect that happened to my wife and others to a lesser degree. Her breastbone became inflamed from rapid weightloss i guess and i had to take her to hospital once over it.
So it works but it might not be a good idea due to side effects.
Anyone that was on it or known someone on it may have seen the dvd they give you... its cheesy

dublad23

How much would you lose over the course of 4 weeks?

If I combine the Gym and Excercise with it Could I lose 2 Stone?

CerebralCortex

dublad23 wrote:

How much would you lose over the course of 4 weeks?

If I combine the Gym and Excercise with it Could I lose 2 Stone?

Not a good idea!

dublad23

Why though is it not a good idea? Geerally on a diet you could lose up to a stone in 4 weeks - 3lbs a week - Ppl are losing 6lbs on this.

If I onyl do it for a month and then be careful in future of what I'm eating would I not be alright!

CerebralCortex

dublad23 wrote:

Why though is it not a good idea? Geerally on a diet you could lose up to a stone in 4 weeks - 3lbs a week - Ppl are losing 6lbs on this.

If I onyl do it for a month and then be careful in future of what I'm eating would I not be alright!

Why not be carefull of what you eat now. Besides read the rest of the thread and you should get the impression that

lipotrim = bad++;

Essentialy you would have to be extra carefull because the impression I get is that lipotrim fu(ks yer metabloism. When you think about it you are starving yerself of nutrients therefore losing muscle mass therefore slowing your metabolism therefore meaning you would have to eat less calories again etc

Hanley

dublad23 wrote:

Why though is it not a good idea? Geerally on a diet you could lose up to a stone in 4 weeks - 3lbs a week - Ppl are losing 6lbs on this.

If I onyl do it for a month and then be careful in future of what I'm eating would I not be alright!

You haven't been careful up to now. What makes you think you'll be careful afterwards? Bad eating habits don't jsut change over night. you need to work on them.

My advice would be to stay WELL clear of Lipotrim, figure out what your mainteance calories is per day, multiply that by .85 and eat no more than that per day. The weight WILL come off. It just requires patience and discipline.

dublad23

Well I ahve my holidays in 4 weeks so drastic measures needed

I was 11.5 stone up until last year - I'm now 13.5 stone

Bad year and all that! Sorted now but just got to lose this!

rubadub

dublad23 wrote:

Bad year and all that! !

Bad year, but an even worse 4 weeks than that year combined if you try and loose 2 stone, that is 28lb in 28days. 1lb a day!, that is a calorie deficit of 3500kcal per day. Lipotrim will give you a horrific 500kcal per day, 2000 less than your basal requirments. so you still need to lose 1500kcal on top of that.
So you are looking at surviing on 500kcal per day, and doing 3 hours of intense exercise per day on top of that. Crazy talk

Geerally on a diet you could lose up to a stone in 4 weeks - 3lbs a week

A stone is 14lb so that is 3.5lb per week, most people will recommend 1-2lb. I lost about 1lb per week and it was sustainable, havent put it back on and still drink lots and never go hungry and eat food that I enjoy.

t-ha

dublad23 wrote:

Well I ahve my holidays in 4 weeks so drastic measures needed

I was 11.5 stone up until last year - I'm now 13.5 stone

Bad year and all that! Sorted now but just got to lose this!

Now?! In four weeks?! Are you planning on following a strict diet and exercise regime while on holidays? No booze, early nights etc.? Because if you're planning the usual type of holiday (i.e. opposite of above) then you won't last long before the fat comes piling back & you get bloated. That will happen anyway obviously but if you're coming off the back of a period of stupidly low calories and muscle loss it's much worse. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if you got sick as your immune system doesn't operate on full with really low calories.

Be clear on this, you are 100% the exact type of case that makes people pissed off about Lipotrim. Lazy all year and then looking for a quick fix a couple of weeks before holiday time. You've made the right changes already you say? Good - stick with it & you won't have this problem again.

Kinetic^

anonymous69 wrote:

my friend did it, lost 10pounds first week

That is just plain crazy and cannot be good for one's body.

Mrs_Doyle

My advice would be not to touch this diet with a 10 foot barge pole. Its horrible.
You feel cold, dizzy, hungry and miserable. You wont be able to focus your attention on anything for more then a few minutes. All you wanna do is sleep, or cry, or go to your nearest chipper and order everything on the menu.

Look, take it from me, weight loss is not easy, in fact, it is a major pain in the arse, but the only way you will really lose the weight, and keep it off, is if you watch what you eat and exercise more.

I know that's not the answer you want, and you probably sick of people telling you that (so am I), you probably want a fast forward, a quick and easy way to drop that first 10lbs, and then you'll lose the rest by healthy eating and exercise, right?

That's what I said, and its bull sh1t I'm afraid.

Be more active and eat less crap.

You can still have the odd packet of crisps, or the odd take away, just don't over indulge, try to cut back on the rubbish and try to walk/run/dance/play sport/get the down the gym a bit more.

Steffano2002

I did Lipotrim twice and would recommend it.

The reason why you lose so much weight the first week is because you are getting rid of all the water and sugar stored in your muscles (it has a name but I can't think of it right now). You don't actually lose muscle tissue (I didn't anyway and I was playing rugby and doing weights when I was on Lipotrim with no problems).
After that, your body goes into ketosis and starts breaking down fat at a rapid rate to make up for the lack of food. Once in ketosis, hunger goes away. Only the first week is a little difficult (drink loads and you'll be fine).

I did put back on some weight after doing it (not straight away though - always a couple of months later) but that's because of lack of exercise and over-eating (I'm good at that!). Old habits die hard!

The diet itself, if done properly, is risk free (careful if you're diabetic though) and you will not put weight back on after stopping it (that is why the refeed period is so long) if you don't revert back to "your old self".

Lipotrim works and it works fast. If you want to see results immediately it's the way to go IMO. But as with any other diets it's when you go back to "normal" that things get tricky. If you got fat in the first place it's because you were eating too much and poorly (and didn't exercise at all/enough). If you revert to that after losing weight you will become fat again. It's not rocket science...

t-ha

Steffano2002 wrote:

I did Lipotrim twice and would recommend it.

Why twice? Right now that alone is speaking volumes to me, but I'll wait and see if there's some other explanation for it that I hadn't thought of.

Steffano2002 wrote:

The reason why you lose so much weight the first week is because you are getting rid of all the water and sugar stored in your muscles (it has a name but I can't think of it right now). You don't actually lose muscle tissue (I didn't anyway and I was playing rugby and doing weights when I was on Lipotrim with no problems).
After that, your body goes into ketosis and starts breaking down fat at a rapid rate to make up for the lack of food. Once in ketosis, hunger goes away. Only the first week is a little difficult (drink loads and you'll be fine).

I'm glad you could keep improving your rugby game and were lifting the same/more weight more times by the end of the diet, but that is exceptional and certaintly not the norm. Also, just so you know, you still lose muscle once your body is in ketosis. The 'sugar' in your muscles is glycogen btw.

Steffano2002 wrote:

I did put back on some weight after doing it (not straight away though - always a couple of months later) but that's because of lack of exercise and over-eating (I'm good at that!). Old habits die hard!

Exactly the point I made earlier - you can quick fix your way out a situation if you like, but the results are only there for a short while if you never learn to control yourself. People don't want to be lean just for a few months (even if they think they do), they want to have a life-time of leaness & health.

Steffano2002 wrote:

The diet itself, if done properly, is risk free (careful if you're diabetic though) and you will not put weight back on after stopping it (that is why the refeed period is so long) if you don't revert back to "your old self".

Who told you it was risk free? If done properly you won't die, but chronically low calories do damage your metabolism - that's a risk. As for not putting the weight back on, this is the whole crux of my argument against it - if you are capable of keeping the weight off afterwards, then you were capable of getting your weight down by yourself anyway.

Steffano2002 wrote:

Lipotrim works and it works fast. If you want to see results immediately it's the way to go IMO.

Obviously it works, but that doesn't make it the way to go. I've heard of fighters who eat nothing but chicken and broccoli when they want to make weight for a fight quickly - does that work? Yes. Is it a good idea? No.

I'm not trying to get at you here btw Steffano & I appreciate that you're someone who's done the diet coming on and giving your experiences, but the way you're talking about it & the way others ask about it is like a beauty treatment. 'Get your hair cut and your gut lipotrimmed for the summer', type thing. The truth is you're putting your body through alot & for no real reason if you can't maintain a lower weight by yourself anyway.

What effect will the Lipotrim courses you've done have had on your physique in 20 years? Nothing (if you're lucky). Your physique then will be a byproduct of your lifestyle up until that point so just get to it & quit looking at something as metabolically dangerous as Lipotrim as some kind of 'get-out-of-jail free card' to wipe the slate clean every time you lack the mental strength to put down that pie.

Steffano2002 wrote:

But as with any other diets it's when you go back to "normal" that things get tricky. If you got fat in the first place it's because you were eating too much and poorly (and didn't exercise at all/enough). If you revert to that after losing weight you will become fat again. It's not rocket science...

Agreed in general, but I can think of one exception; the diet that you start with the intention of keeping FOREVER! Nothing crazy, not packets of powder, not maple-syrup & water (good God Beyonce, can't you afford a decent nutritionist?), just a good healthy diet that will get & maintain the body you want.

The mindset of 'diet' then 'normal' will never work in the long run. Everyone who has succeeded in the long-term has done it by making a permanent lifestyle 'change'.

g'em

^^^ this is the best post to date I've seen about the reality of Lipotrim. Nice one t-ha.

Dragan

t-ha wrote:

The mindset of 'diet' then 'normal' will never work in the long run. Everyone who has succeeded in the long-term has done it by making a permanent lifestyle 'change'.

Quoted because i have ever confidence in peoples ability to ignore the importance of that line.

Steffano2002

Glycogen! Couldn't remember it! :rolleyes: Thanks

LT works for me as I'm a black & white kind of guy. I find it very hard to do a "normal" diet as I really need to see results fast to stay focused and motivated.

Right now for example, I'm after joining the gym in Northwood. Went 7 times in 10 days. My motivation? I want to get fit for rugby (I have a tournament in Belgium this week-end and I want to be in great condition for next season starting in September). Do I want to lose weight? Of course! But I know I won't... Exercising has no effect on my weight... I'm 110kg now and I'll be 110kg in September...

I'm cr@p at eating healthy, that's the problem. I've been "fat" all my life (I put quotes because everybody tells me I'm not fat but "big" or "strong"... Let's just say I carry it well).
Eating healthy is the hardest IMO. I detest cooking with a passion. I hate doing the dishes even more... So I avoid it altogether. It's sad isn't it? I'm doing everything right except for that. I paid €345 EUR to join a gym and at the moment I'm really getting my money's worth! I do my cardio for 40 minutes then weights for around an hour and I finish it off with 30 minutes in the swimming pool (managed to work up the courage to go swimming! Hate being topless in public...). But I hate the eating right bit because I'm lazy when it comes to cooking.

And it's not because I don't like eating healthy! For example, I love steamed vegetables and fruits! Could practically live off them! So now I'm eating fruit instead of cr@p but did I start steaming veg? Hell no... They're rotting in the fridge... :rolleyes:

I'm lazy and I'm the only one to blame, I know that. And I'm not looking for any sympathy.

That's why I love LT so much. At the moment I can't do it because I can't exercise for the first week and I need to keep going to the gym and finish the rugby season. But when the season is finally over, I'm going back on it. After a week on it I'll start going to the gym again and that's when I'll be losing all this unwanted fat. Once I'm at the weight I want to be (90/95kg) I'll stop LT and keep going to the gym so that by september (hopefully) I'll be "less fat" (I was going to say "thin" but I don't want to be thin, I like being bulky. Just don't want to be fat) and really fit!

To quote you, LT is my "get out of jail free card" and it works for me. Is it good for me? Probably not in the long term, you are right there... And I know this is pretty much the last time I'll be doing it and that if I cannot keep the weight off this time there's no point in doing it again. I know I have to change my lifestyle fundamentally (as you said), stop "dieting" and start "living differently". But that's so hard right now... I prefer losing the weight first and changing my lifestyle afterwards to get it off once and for all.

Kinetic^

Steffano2002 wrote:

Exercising has no effect on my weight... I'm 110kg now and I'll be 110kg in September.

People always assume weight is the best thing to be watching.....it's not. Body fat % is what you want to watch.

All your post said was the LT is for lazy people.

Hanley

Kenny 5 wrote:

All your post said was the LT is for lazy people.

Quoted for truth.