Splitting the forum in half.

adonis

i also just read this forum.

I posted once about Selling TaeKwanDo Pads that were too big for me.

I spelt TaeKwanDo with an E at the end ( a spelling error).
I had only started TKD about 1 month...anyway, a load of people came down all heavy saying that "its not spelt with an E...blah blah" and saying that i showed no respect etc.. etc...
As a virgin poster and someone that was starting to learn martial arts i was pretty shocked.

Id suggest a sticky be put up with all the arts listed and their pros and cons.
The TKD by Jon, BJJ by John Kavanagh etc etc...As these are the most qualified that post on this board and are thus the most qualified to speak

that would perhaps stop the arguments that occur when someone comes on asking what martial art is good for what...?

Tim_Murphy

I reckon a few people need to chill a bit!

I can where some people are coming from, but at the end of the day it you're going to make claims about somthing, re self defence or whatever else, then be prepared to be able to back it up. If you can't do that without getting annoyed or agitated then maybe you need to think about what you are doing a bit more. I don't bother getting involved much in these type of conversations anymore, just because I've heard it all before and don't really have anything new to contribute.

I spelt TaeKwanDo with an E at the end ( a spelling error).
I had only started TKD about 1 month...anyway, a load of people came down all heavy saying that "its not spelt with an E...blah blah" and saying that i showed no respect etc.. etc...
As a virgin poster and someone that was starting to learn martial arts i was pretty shocked.

You disrespectful heathen! Missed that thread. Some TKD folk get up on their high horses about that kind of stuff alright. I've seen people have arguments about whether it's spelled Taekwon-Do or Tae Kwon Do! :rolleyes:

Tim_Murphy

The TKD by Jon

Jon's not the most qualified to talk about TKD! :rolleyes: He's only a 2nd Dan!!!

pma-ire

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Jon's not the most qualified to talk about TKD! :rolleyes: He's only a 2nd Dan!!!

did'int he do his 3rd dan ? or is that this year??

Valmont

Clive wrote:

like a pair of knickers flapping slowly in the wind.

Beautiful.

If I didn't know the self defence/martial arts forum, this thread makes it seem like every discussion inevitably descends into an acrimonious tma v mma debate. It happens every now and then, it's not a big deal anyway. At least I don't think so.

A lot of the MMA guys have tma experience (including myself) and can offer their advice, opinions whatever to threads like 'karate in Bray' or 'Kenpo in city centre'. I don't want to be jumping back and forward between two forums. Especially because I still have a 56k modem:eek:

BobbyOLeary

I hadn't been on this in a while so I missed all of this stuff. Weird reading through an argument after its finished. Anywho, this whole argument really made me laugh, not at anyone or their particular art or its effectiveness or their mother but at the idea of closing down a forum due to too many arguments!

I thought that was the idea of a forum, debates (in which i hold a masters degree), hell I joined this forum to partake in a debate about Kenpo! I thought this was brilliant, a chance to talk to many other martial artists from tons of disciplines. Thats how I still see this place!

Segregating a forum just so people don't have to argue their MA's case is a bit pointless I think. Worse than pointless, it sidesteps the whole issue. Kind of like how you can't have a debate about women in the workplace without being labeled a sexist by at least one person, so you don't have the debate at all.

I, personally (who else?), would leave this forum if the debates on here stopped. I can read Irish Fighter for advertisements, I come on here for discussion.

Niall Keane

I'd like to see a split, personally I practice a TMA, I don't think anyone here on boards who knows me would question the effectivness of what I do, but TMA V MMA is not my point.
Basically, I love Chinese Martial Arts, I have posted hear before, once at 12am to find the next day by 6pm all of page 1 was touching on MMA. Thats great for your sport and I'm glad when any sport gets such interest, but recently I havn't being posting as I know that I personaly wouldn't trawl past 1 or 2 pages, and I guess there is a lot of people who similarly haven't got hours to do so, so I feel that any posting is a waste of time, before anyone notices it, it's pages away.
No GAA fan would buy a paper with 20 pages on Rugby with maybe an occasional GAA article? Would they even look at it, let alone contribute to it?
I'm sure we'll all be able to contribute to general discussions, but if there isn't a spilt / (option of a TMA board), I can't see this forum holding any further interest for those interested in TMAs.

Millionaire

just pop over to PMA Irelands new forum.... thats a much better idea, and all the sections sub forums are there, so you do not have to look at the stuff that does not interest you....

StrateBlastJim

I do BJJ not MMA, Jui jitsu is a traditional martial art, but most people here seem to think that over the last 100 years it has changed by coming to us all from brazil.

I have heard many people in training claim they came up with a new move, only for them later realise that its in every judo/jui jitsu book ever writen.

Unfortunetly the "MMA" guys seem to have allowed this MMA tag, along with the "TMA" guys accepting a TMA tag.

The difference is not the styles, its (and most of the older posters here will see this coming) the TRAINING METHODS. We have all read through arguements where john has tried, in vain it seems to convince people that he for one is willing to learn from any style. However if you show him a lock or move he will want you to prove it works while he trys to prevent it.

This makes sense to him, and personally to me to.

It seems to me that many of the "MMA" guys here are begining to forget that its not our style that we believe to be better, but the fact that we want resisting opponents to practice against.

As for threads going off topic, i believe it is a small number of the "MMA" (clive hates that tag) guys who seem to be on all those types of threads, and IMHO they seem to be among the least qualified to talk about mma etc.

Now im probably pissing these few off, but it seems they are still in the man i was tricked for all those years phase, if you notice the likes of kav, mark leonard, the shane, twokingmick, roper and tim murphy tend not to even post on the threads that go down that, and if they do its to dismiss EVERYONE as taking things too far.

Roper wrote:

Europe (the band that is) had a song called "Ninja Survive".

I have nothing else to contribute, good day.

From ninja thread.

Tim_Murphy wrote:

I reckon a few people need to chill a bit!

From above.

To the guys who dont do mma, maybe think who is this person ruining my thread?? does his/her opinion mean anything to me, and is he/she really off topic and if so maybe bring it to the attention of the mods.

To the guys who do train mma/bjj/thai/judo etc. dont be so quick to start posting, don't be needlessly pushy, we dont have to try to convince everyone on every thread about MMA's supposed greatness. Its perfectly alright if someone asks for clubs/"best style" mention mma/bjj/thai clubs nearby/the TRAINING METHODS, but stop putting down other arts, the experts on here from those arts obviously enjoy them and so get alot out of them.

Sorry about the post guys, im bored in work, and its been awhile since john brought up training methods, and at the moment hes away so someone had to remind a few mma guys why they are argueing.

I believe that the board should stay as is, but everyone need to respect each other a little more.

If you notice on the other thread about why people started its mostly cause training looked fun. so if all we get is a good time then everyone should be happy.

Jim
-Likes to talk........Alot.

yomchi

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Jon's not the most qualified to talk about TKD! :rolleyes: He's only a 2nd Dan!!!

Damn u Murphy for dragging me back here

It's nice to note someone appreciates the work I put into ITF TKD!

If your looking for advice on TKD and info every pattern up to Yoo Sin..I'm your man :cool:

Paul, 3rd dan in June - Bulgaria!

I click on "Post Reply" knowing that the crux of what i'm gonna say has been repeated by the sensible amongst my good friends here on boards. Good recent posts by Clive and Jim btw. As for Roper well "The Ninja Squad" or "American Ninja" are about as ninjatastic as they get

MMA guys: what is that? What's in a label? What's in a box? What's in semantics? My attitude to martial arts training is the same as my attitude towards religion, science and most other areas of life. I value empiricism, reason and loath unfounded claims. I've practised and continue to practice traditional martial arts for about 7 years now. I must be on the TMA side. So many times over so many years we've debated the futility of labels and they keep coming back...

I used to value questioning every ridiculous claim by every ridiculous person. I think we all remember some of the more enjoyable claims: Larry Tatum groundfighting, Magick Lightning bolts and so forth. Many of us know the feeling of being gypped by poor training methods and the desire to sing from the rooftops that it's all an illusory image based sham. I don't feel the need to wander into a catholic church and start explaining to everyone how unnecessary and illogical it all is. If a catholic (religious person) starts debating with me on the other hand well thats something else entirely.

Without healthy vigorous debate this board would stagnate to nothingness again. However when people are making stupid ignorant posts* then they just build up defensive barriers. Debate with the willing. Those who aren't ready for rational reasonable debate shouldn't always be dragged forcefully into the light. The brain will wake up. Give it a chance.



*MMA ownz TMA. Thai rulez !!!1!!!!!