Is Danielle an other? *spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen Enter 77*

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Following yesterday's episode (Enter 77), I came to the conclusion that Danielle is likely to be an other - she was acting very suspiciously throughout the episode.

Interesting discussion on this topic on The Fuselage at http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71677.

Some snippets from there:

Did Danielle untie Patchy/Mikhail??? That's what I want to know.

P.S. edited to add: I will say that one thing doesn't make sense to me. She has been on the island for sixteen years, right? And all that time, the one thing she has wanted more than anything is to find her baby, Alex. Wouldn't you think she would have searched every inch of the island by now? I mean, how big is that sucka?

Any thoughts?

abelard

I don't think she is an other, but she definitely knows more about them than she let's on.

She has surely come into contact with them a couple of times, and possibly even dealt with them. At worst, she may have struck some sort of deal with them, but I don't think she is one.

Since it seems, after Enter 77, that the group will head on to try find the Other's village with Sayid's map, we may be in for a few surprises if Danielle goes with them.

Star Lord

Guys I think you should either stick a "Spoiler" mention on the subject of this or spoiler tag your messages, as some people might not have seen the episodes you mention.

My theory:

I actually think that Danielle is one of the original Darma group, and that the Others are the "Hostiles" mentioned in this episode... When the "hostiles"/others purged the Darma group, they took Alex (As she was only a baby), and Danielle went into hiding

Killaqueen!!!

DamoElDiablo wrote:

Guys I think you should either stick a "Spoiler" mention on the subject of this or spoiler tag your messages, as some people might not have seen the episodes you mention.

My theory:

I actually think that Danielle is one of the original Darma group, and that the Others are the "Hostiles" mentioned in this episode... When the "hostiles"/others purged the Darma group, they took Alex (As she was only a baby), and Danielle went into hiding

That's what I think too.

She knows more than she's letting on but she can't be an Other. After all, she

wanted to kill Patchey in Enter 77

pduffy50

Killaqueen!!! wrote:

That's what I think too.

She knows more than she's letting on but she can't be an Other. After all, she

wanted to kill Patchey in Enter 77

She was the one that caught Ben(Henry Gale) in season 2 and put an arrow through his shoulder so no i don't think she is one of the others but she does know alot more about the island than she lets on

Reaps

pduffy50 wrote:

She was the one that caught Ben(Henry Gale) in season 2 and put an arrow through his shoulder so no i don't think she is one of the others but she does know alot more about the island than she lets on

Yes i concur she seems sketchy on her background but she definitely knows more than she's letting on.

AdMMM

Why was Ben traipsing about though? Maybe she had a deal with Ben (Henry) but he broke it and she decided to hand him over. I don't think she's an other but she certainly knows more than she lets on.

steveland?

DamoElDiablo wrote:

Guys I think you should either stick a "Spoiler" mention on the subject of this or spoiler tag your messages, as some people might not have seen the episodes you mention.

Agreed. Thread title edited

rip2roar

I have never read so many people saying "I think she knows more than she is letting on" in my life!! A little varriation!:) Anyway, I think she knows more than she is letting on...

ZiabR

pduffy50 wrote:

She was the one that caught Ben(Henry Gale) in season 2 and put an arrow through his shoulder so no i don't think she is one of the others but she does know alot more about the island than she lets on

I actually forgot that she was the one who shot him in the first place. To be honest i am not sure what to make of her anymore.

You have to wonder though, when they were leading Mikhail away, WHY didn't they take the perfectly good horse with them??? I mean come on that would be so helpful to have on the Island.

Spiritus Mundi#

And the cow!

Mitch Connor

erm, shooting ben could be a complete and utter lie though.

From what i remember, Ben wanted to get Locke on board witht he others, wasn't that admited at one stage? Wasn't Ben trying to play the losties off against each other? Seems rather convenient that he was handed over to them... I'm not saying she is an other, but pointing out the 'fact' she shot ben doesn't really mean much, as we don't know what happened in the lead up to him being captured and shot.

Mitch Connor

logik wrote:

I actually forgot that she was the one who shot him in the first place. To be honest i am not sure what to make of her anymore.

You have to wonder though, when they were leading Mikhail away, WHY didn't they take the perfectly good horse with them??? I mean come on that would be so helpful to have on the Island.

why would they need a horse...they have a van!

Narcissus

Tauren wrote:

erm, shooting ben could be a complete and utter lie though.

That could be true considering what happened when they brought Ben to the hatch. It could have been a way to infiltrate the losties hatch easily.

However I don't think Danielle is an other because she helped Claire escape from them.

Star Lord

rip2roar wrote:

I have never read so many people saying "I think she knows more than she is letting on" in my life!! A little varriation!:) Anyway, I think she knows more than she is letting on...

I think she lets more than she kn...

I know she thinks more..

er...

She's not telling all that she knows!


I think she knew about the flame station, and who was there, and that is why she didn't go near it.

prospect

Just because she suggested that they kill Mikhail wouldn't make her innocent of being a hostile, same goes for spearing Ben.

After all, we know Juliette was happy to kill Danny, and Mikhail killed Mrs Klugh without much encouragement.

doonothing

i mean, patchy seems pretty keen to get killed to avoid revealing some secret, maybe she has the same interests as him and wanted to convince sayid to do it... i dunno, i doubt she's an other tbh,

Hyzepher

There are a couple of odd things.

Firstly, why did she hand over Ben to the losties when she has always given the impression that she would see them all dead. Why not just kill him when he fell into her trap.

What the hell was Ben doing walking around and getting caught. He is the type of guy who has everything planned out so he either arranged for Danielle to hand him over or he had another plan to get him into the hatch.

Why did the other Others go to such great lengths to get Ben released if his plan was to be captured? They had no idea what was happening to Ben in the hatch or whether he had successfully tricked the losties into thinking he was really Henry Gale.

My opinion is tha Danielle is not an Other but has been promised something by them if she co-operates.

rip2roar

I think that patchy wanted to be killed because he knew what would happen if the others found out that he killed Klugh. Like what happened to Julliet

badgerbadger

i think danielle and her dead crew are the hostiles

Star Lord

I think it's more likely that Danielle and her crew (be they alive or dead) could have been the Dharma scientists.

badgerbadger

why would scientists carry guns

man1

Lots of scientists carry guns.
There are scientists in all sorts of weird and dangerous places, The Congo, Artic circle, Amazon rainforest, Himalayas, Sligo etc so they would need to carry a gun in case they came across a dangerous animal or person (Local parish priest in Sligos case).

Star Lord

To protect themselves against hostile locals. Not all scientists are labcoat wearing, bespectacled nerds.

badgerbadger

why would scientists be in sligo

upmeath

man1 wrote:

Lots of scientists carry guns.
There are scientists in all sorts of weird and dangerous places, The Congo, Artic circle, Amazon rainforest, Himalayas, Sligo etc so they would need to carry a gun in case they came across a dangerous animal or person (Local parish priest in Sligos case).

Hilarious, funniest post I've read on boards in quite some time.
Does anybody else wonder why Sayid has such respect for Rousseau? If he's supposed to be such a capable judge of character and a master interrogator, then why if there's some flaw in Rousseau's back story or character has he not picked up on it? I think he fancies her tbh...

Star Lord

upmeath wrote:

Hilarious, funniest post I've read on boards in quite some time.
Does anybody else wonder why Sayid has such respect for Rousseau? If he's supposed to be such a capable judge of character and a master interrogator, then why if there's some flaw in Rousseau's back story or character has he not picked up on it? I think he fancies her tbh...

Lol!!!

Danielle and Sayid, up a tree,
a-v-o-i-d-i-n-g-t-h-e-s-m-o-k-e-m-o-n-s-t-e-r...

upmeath

DamoElDiablo wrote:

Lol!!!

Danielle and Sayid, up a tree,
a-v-o-i-d-i-n-g-t-h-e-s-m-o-k-e-m-o-n-s-t-e-r...

Reading that has just reminded me of Ned Flanders going to water his window boxes after reclaiming his "Technicolor Coat"... I'm sorry, didn't mean to go off on that slight tangent there. But seriously, since day one he's had the utmost respect for everything Rousseau says or does, doesn't question it at all, I think she's the ultimate inside (wo)man or con(wo)man...
Maybe her knowledge of communications and the radio signal in season one turned Sayid on...

Star Lord

*shudders at the thought of being turned on by Danielle* lol!

I think he respects the woman for surviving that long on an island alone. And I'm hoping thats as far as it goes :eek:

ZiabR

Sayid has no fear

upmeath

DamoElDiablo wrote:

I think he respects the woman for surviving that long on an island alone.

But his willingness to accept that she's done that has me wondering, how stupid would it be if hers was the only story he took at face value, this is Sayid we're dealing with here...

Mitch Connor

we can't be sure he does believe her. He could be waiting for his moment to question her, trying to work out as much as possible first. Its not like he'd mention to anyone he is sus of her - everyone else already is, and nobody discusses anything of any importance anyway.

ZiabR

Tauren wrote:

we can't be sure he does believe her. He could be waiting for his moment to question her, trying to work out as much as possible first. Its not like he'd mention to anyone he is sus of her - everyone else already is, and nobody discusses anything of any importance anyway.

Yeah very true, he is very smart and he was an uber torture, so he knows when people are lying to him. He may be just playing along with her for the moment gathering info before questioning her.

Mitch Connor

logik wrote:

Yeah very true, he is very smart and he was an uber torture, so he knows when people are lying to him. He may be just playing along with her for the moment gathering info before questioning her.

plus, she seems like a very tough person, and isn't stupid either. Also, the others have shown themselves to be resistent to torture before, and resolute in their defiance. If she is an other, Sayid might feel he would not get anything out of her (personally i think the Alex situation is an indication she is not an Other) By the same token, if she is not an other, and she has survived on her own for years, she would still have a mental and physical strength that Sayid may not want to test, at least not yet anyway. She has been a harmless enough person too (apart from thebaby stealing!) and since season 1, she hasn't done anything to the losties (in fact, she initially helped claire escape, she helped find the second hatch and she aided in the jack rescue attempt - all for her won reasons, but she did help), so why would he want to torture her anyway?

Everyone on the Island has secrets, Sayid has not set out to torture everyone to find them out either, not even Locke, despite his actions over the 80 or so days.

ZiabR

Tauren wrote:

plus, she seems like a very tough person, and isn't stupid either. Also, the others have shown themselves to be resistent to torture before, and resolute in their defiance. If she is an other, Sayid might feel he would not get anything out of her (personally i think the Alex situation is an indication she is not an Other) By the same token, if she is not an other, and she has survived on her own for years, she would still have a mental and physical strength that Sayid may not want to test, at least not yet anyway. She has been a harmless enough person too (apart from thebaby stealing!) and since season 1, she hasn't done anything to the losties (in fact, she initially helped claire escape, she helped find the second hatch and she aided in the jack rescue attempt - all for her won reasons, but she did help), so why would he want to torture her anyway?

Everyone on the Island has secrets, Sayid has not set out to torture everyone to find them out either, not even Locke, despite his actions over the 80 or so days.

Well put. To be honest, as you mention the Others seem to be able to handle torture very well as we have seen on more than one occasion. Humans will all have a pain limit but after seeing what happened when Mikhail and Klugh were captured. Without even thinking Klugh gave the order to end her life and Mikhail was trying to end his own. I think this may have suprised Sayid.

upmeath

logik wrote:

Well put. To be honest, as you mention the Others seem to be able to handle torture very well as we have seen on more than one occasion. Humans will all have a pain limit but after seeing what happened when Mikhail and Klugh were captured. Without even thinking Klugh gave the order to end her life and Mikhail was trying to end his own. I think this may have suprised Sayid.

Well having seen The Man from Tallahassee and the look on Rousseau's face when she saw Alex, I think it is fair enough to assume she's not an other... maybe she's been their Northern correspondent for the last 16 years?
But there has to be more to her character than what we've seen so far, she hasn't shown any flaws or weaknesses though!

ZiabR

upmeath wrote:

Well having seen The Man from Tallahassee and the look on Rousseau's face when she saw Alex, I think it is fair enough to assume she's not an other... maybe she's been their Northern correspondent for the last 16 years?
But there has to be more to her character than what we've seen so far, she hasn't shown any flaws or weaknesses though!

Yes true, she does seem to act on what they call "gut instinct" and without really thinking about the situation too much.

Jesus Wept

DamoElDiablo wrote:

I think it's more likely that Danielle and her crew (be they alive or dead) could have been the Dharma scientists.

Danielle isn't capable of been a scientist, unless her been completely dissy is a big ruse, but I don't think so.

ZiabR

The-Rigger wrote:

Danielle isn't capable of been a scientist, unless her been completely dissy is a big ruse, but I don't think so.

Yes you do get the impression from her that she is not a scientist. But then again it could be the fact she has been stuck there for 16 years, and has lost the plot.

upmeath

I was just thinking today, what sort of person would live alone on an island that wacky for 16 years. Would alternative solutions to life's problems not come to mind once or twice? I know if I was Rousseau that I would have joined my dead colleagues long ago, and I say that as an atheist with no belief in an afterlife. No place that weird is worth living on alone for 16 years, you'd lose hope after 16 months nevermind 16 years

ZiabR

upmeath wrote:

I was just thinking today, what sort of person would live alone on an island that wacky for 16 years. Would alternative solutions to life's problems not come to mind once or twice? I know if I was Rousseau that I would have joined my dead colleagues long ago, and I say that as an atheist with no belief in an afterlife. No place that weird is worth living on alone for 16 years, you'd lose hope after 16 months nevermind 16 years

Yeah you would for sure. I have thought about this also a few times and i am thinking, anyone in the situation must have something to love for. She may be living for the chance to actually meet her daughter or she may actually know alot more than she says she does. She may have had contact with the others many times. One must also think of how she has avoided the smoke for 16 years. She may have info on the smoke also