Why the ps3 sucks.

thefinalstage

Compile your thoughts. Please no freaking fan boys who would buy it if it was a smelly cardboard box full of poop.

I'll start off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w

Sorry link fixed!

r3nu4l

Your link leads to this:

"EMC Symmetrix 8730 Storage Array 17TB!!!!" for sale on eBay Australia!
see attached.

Erm, on-topic, removal of force feedback is a downer for PS3.

xanthor

thelastangryman wrote:

Compile your thoughts. Please no freaking fan boys who would buy it if it was a smelly cardboard box full of poop.

Yes, Bias is a terrible thing.

AceCard Jones

......right, you say no fan boys please, yet that song was compiled by X-Box 360's fecal matter.At least to my knowledge no PS3 or Nintendo Fan boys have wrote a bloody song slating the 360.....Everything in that song, pictures included were twisted and biased.And not to mention personal opinion in many cases.I know where this thread is going and I don't like it.
Let the flamming begin!!!!***Ducks for cover***

Vegeta

In itself the PS3 doesn't suck. It will probably be amazing

Its less features than promised (2 video outs???), the delay, the elevated price and now the difference between US, Jap and Euro consoles.

Its not the Playstation that's at fault its the tools that are trying to sell it.

I'd say something if it was a bad console but it probably wont be. Its just the sh1t we have to put up with to potentially own one.

Edit: Just to point out if you dont want to support Sony or Microsoft by giving them money for a console. Just buy it second hand.

muckwarrior

AceCard Jones wrote:

At least to my knowledge no PS3 or Nintendo Fan boys have wrote a bloody song slating the 360.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psOjnMcPGRU&mode=related&search=

dr.bollocko

Well in fairness, its a year late, its got no good launch games, its being released amid a general turning against sony for numerous disastrous mistakes eg rootkits, it costs a fortune, its essentially just a PC for morons and every single fanboy across europe is hailing it as the new messiah of gaming, despite it underselling everywhere it has been released, continual lies from sony about its capabilities, most games for the first few years being ports from a 360 platform etc. And yet still there are 250 million tech blogs from sony fanboys talking about cell processors and blu-ray diodes. Christ. Its already annoying me I've talked about it so much. By the time it comes out I will probably get a little bit sick in my mouth when I see people actually buying it.

Zapp Brannigan

I aint no Sony fanboi but 'no good launch games'?

Virtua Fighter 5, Virtua Tennis 3, Resistance and Motorstorm all seem very good.
The console itself won't suck its just Sony have screwed it up every chance they've gotten.

unreggd

PS3 GRILL



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AceCard Jones

When you say rootkits you're 100% correct, but Microsoft are no saints...
The original WGA tool was the equivalent if not worse than Sony's rootkit where privacy is concerned.

Regardless of what you all think, the chances of this console failing in the long term are very slim, only time will tell but the people who prefer X-Box can stay with X-Box, but a lot of people, myself included, have waited it out for this console, I do admit that Sony are full of ****!But all three console manufacturers are as bad as each other.

Sales figures for right now mean nothing, give it a year or two.Then you should re-make a thread with this name and see what people will say.

Mitch Connor

the ps3 will not suck, it simply won't. but the price could put people off, which could result in lower then expected sales. There will be crappy games on launch, but that's no different to any other console. CoD3 was the only 360 game that really wowed me on launch, Wii only had Zelda and WiiSports.

Vegeta

AceCard Jones wrote:

But all three console manufacturers are as bad as each other.

There I don't agree. This generation (regardless of other industries the respective companies are in i.e. software, TVs etc etc we are talking about purely selling consoles) i think Sony have been the worst.

Again this is no reflection on the potential of the PS3 as a console. It will have great games etc. but as a company who manufacture and sell consoles I believe Sony have treated this market (europe) the worst of the big 3 console names

AceCard Jones

While I agree Sony have well and truly crapped all over the EU, but Microsoft using the current 360 models as fillers until they seen what Sony release so as they can then release their true 360(The new model with larger HDD capacity etc) is just as bad, and Nintendo were too busy making a bloody voting channel during the Wii's early life to push launch dates for more good titles closer to the present, and they could have used their time and resources on something way better, that much is true.

While Sony are definitely taking the biscuit right now, I still stand by my previous statement that IMO they're all as bad as each other.

thefinalstage

xanthor wrote:

Yes, Bias is a terrible thing.

I'm not biased I just pictures post like "OMG U Think d Ps3 Is crap!"

If a Sony fanboy comes along and they can speak english they would not buy "a smelly cardboard box full of poop " so they are fine in here .

I just thought the video was funny

BTW: Anybody hear anything about Sony fixing online gaming?

Fighting Irish

Give it 6 months and it'll wipe the other two out of the chase, but PS live will never beat Xbox live

Vegeta

AceCard Jones wrote:

While I agree Sony have well and truly crapped all over the EU, but Microsoft using the current 360 models as fillers until they seen what Sony release so as they can then release their true 360(The new model with larger HDD capacity etc) is just as bad, and Nintendo were too busy making a bloody voting channel during the Wii's early life to push launch dates for more good titles closer to the present, and they could have used their time and resources on something way better, that much is true.

While Sony are definitely taking the biscuit right now, I still stand by my previous statement that IMO they're all as bad as each other.

Are you confident enough that the PS3 will never have a drought in quality titles and have no further hardware revisions/package options to throw those stones at 360 and Wii?

I wouldn't be

AceCard Jones

It's hard to say, as this generation is introducing a lot of new trends, Sony used to just make mini me's of their consoles when they were coming to the end of their lives, now since X-Box is going to seemingly have a complete re-vamp, Sony could jump onto that same train.

But it's also hard to say whether or not they would bother, as most people who I have seen talk about this new 360, have said they don't care, they'll just buy the bigger drive for their current 360.But with the PS3, you can literally at launch take out your 60GB HDD from your PS3 and stick in a 320GB drive.

All system software and updates are stored on built in flash memory and not stored on the HDD at all apparently, so Sony in this case anyway may not do a re-vamp.

And I own a Wii so I'm not completely biased.I do think Nintendo have good idea, they just need to make them slightly less cheesy and give us something concrete.

Zapp Brannigan

I hope online gaming is something they really support because Xbox live is brilliant and they really need to compete in this area.

Ciaran500

AceCard Jones wrote:

It's hard to say, as this generation is introducing a lot of new trends, Sony used to just make mini me's of their consoles when they were coming to the end of their lives, now since X-Box is going to seemingly have a complete re-vamp, Sony could jump onto that same train.

Its hardly a complete re-vamp. If the rumours are true they are adding a port (not uncommon as consoles go through their life time), using cheaper chips (every recent console has and will do this) and they are releasing a bigger HDD (same way you can get bigger mem cards for consoles).

savemejebus

The new port would mean a new graphics scaler chip, and tbh there's nothing stopping them from making hdmi standard, producing a core system with 20gb hdd and regular dvd drive and a new premium system with a hd-dvd drive, wireless and 120gb hdd as standard.

It's what i'd do to compete with ps3 and still give the illusion of choice

carbonkid

From what i can see from mates the big gamers in general side with the xbox (this may but largely based on the fact the original xbox was easily modded and has xbox live) where as your average joe goes with the playstation so my bets are on playstation 3 doing the best on the market. It is really expensive but it does have the new hd dvd player and alot of people have crazy amounts of money to spare these days.

tallaghtoutlaws

Im not reading any of the above posts as I hate the whole our machine is better than your machine crap. I have a 360 and will be buying a PS3. 360 has some great games and some pure muck games. PS3 have played it and played it good one of my friends has one. Excellent piece of equipment also. So before knocking any of the machines give them a good go first. Both machines are damn good machines yes both have their flaws but who gives a flying fook. You dont like it dont buy it simple.

unreggd

Everyones problem isnt with the PS3 itself, its all the hassle over it!

Numerous delays, high costs, crapola launch titles, Sony's condescending comments against Nintendo and the Wii, screwin the europeans over, feck all backwards compatability [sorry, but 1,000 titles is nothin], blue ray instead of HD-DVD.... etcetera etcetera

savemejebus

I'd say it's sony's attitude more than any of the other stuff.

Seriously do you think 1000 titles is nothing? I don't think the 360 backward compatiblity list and nintendo virtual console combined make up that number.

I've got no problem with blu-ray either, it's a high capacity format and has lots of support. People liken it to betamax but something that alot of people forget about betamax is that it was better quality than VHS, and for me that's more important than hd-dvds running in my normal dvd player.

It's all about sony's attitude, they messed up royally thinking that they were the be-all and end-all of gaming (they should have learned from the psp), and they're getting a bloody nose in this generation of consoles because of it.

If the 360 had an integrated Blu-ray drive, i'd get that over the ps3 in a heartbeat.

AceCard Jones

With the whole format war aside, 1000 titles BC isn't nothing!
It's 12.2% of the entire library of PS2 games, that's triple what the X-Box has now and it's had over a year.I wasn't originally planning on comparing the two but someone else did so I felt obligated.:)

I think after the hustle and bustle and bull-**** of the launch, things will look better, I just think the tension right now is steaming up everyone's opinion on it.
I have a feeling after things calm down people will have a slightly more positive view.

unreggd

Well I'll be holdin out for the PSthree

Smaller, cheaper version, with proper Dualshock!

BlitzKrieg

just a minor gripe to get off my shoulder here


been following this recent ps3/kotaku upset on a number of forums.

which is my first mistake but still

I notice a reoccuring statement, and its beginning to drive me nuts.

when someone goes to name the games that are the driving force of the ps3

you get thrown the same 3-5 titles everytime (Metal Gear solid 4, final fantasy 13, devil may cry 4, motorstorm, killzone 2) sometimes resistance too, but those 5 are the most common i see.

which ok, they are for the most part are games to be excited about.

but then...almost everytime, the list is followed by....to name a few

that really annoys me for two reasons.

A) apart from motorstorm none of those titles have release dates (a problem I have emphasized as being the priority sony need to fix)

it wouldnt bother me if the list changed over the months...but that has been the exact same list since the ps3 was revealed, and even before that the only addition to the list was motorstorm.


Sure microsoft and nintendo suffer similar problems, but at least theirs gets updated with either some of the titles being released or nw titles revealed.

360 at launch was all HALO 3...but over time it was updated to include gears of war, crackdown, dead rising etc



just something I had to say...offtopic (or not)

steviec

BlitzKrieg wrote:

just a minor gripe to get off my shoulder here


been following this recent ps3/kotaku upset on a number of forums.

which is my first mistake but still

I notice a reoccuring statement, and its beginning to drive me nuts.

when someone goes to name the games that are the driving force of the ps3

you get thrown the same 3-5 titles everytime (Metal Gear solid 4, final fantasy 13, devil may cry 4, motorstorm, killzone 2) sometimes resistance too, but those 5 are the most common i see.

which ok, they are for the most part are games to be excited about.

but then...almost everytime, the list is followed by....to name a few

that really annoys me for two reasons.

A) apart from motorstorm none of those titles have release dates (a problem I have emphasized as being the priority sony need to fix)

it wouldnt bother me if the list changed over the months...but that has been the exact same list since the ps3 was revealed, and even before that the only addition to the list was motorstorm.


Sure microsoft and nintendo suffer similar problems, but at least theirs gets updated with either some of the titles being released or nw titles revealed.

360 at launch was all HALO 3...but over time it was updated to include gears of war, crackdown, dead rising etc



just something I had to say...offtopic (or not)

The PS3 isn't even out yet in Europe and its only been out in a couple of months worldwide. At that stage in the 360s lifespan none of its top games now had release dates either so its hardly a fair comparison.

A fairer comparison would be with the Wii - Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros Brawl - Nintendo gave all those release dates and then went back on them, at least Sony are keeping quiet, if they took the same approach as Nintendo people would be using it as further proof to call them 'liars' - as of right now the Wii is suffering a worse games drought than the PS3 and that trend isn't looking like changing(obviously you can mitigate that with the fact the Wii is much cheaper)

Mitch Connor

steviec wrote:

The PS3 isn't even out yet in Europe and its only been out in a couple of months worldwide. At that stage in the 360s lifespan none of its top games now had release dates either so its hardly a fair comparison.

A fairer comparison would be with the Wii - Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros Brawl - Nintendo gave all those release dates and then went back on them, at least Sony are keeping quiet, if they took the same approach as Nintendo people would be using it as further proof to call them 'liars' - as of right now the Wii is suffering a worse games drought than the PS3 and that trend isn't looking like changing(obviously you can mitigate that with the fact the Wii is much cheaper)

erm..... Call of Duty 2 was, and still is, one of the best titles on the 360, and it was a launch title. Ghost Recon AW, Oblivion were out in the following March.

So at this stage in the lifespan of the 360, 3 of its biggest titles were out.

mikeruurds

I currently have a PS2, Wii and a 360. I'm in no rush to purchase a PS3 even though I agree that it is a good piece of hardware.

I would agree with Blitzkrieg on this one. The same 5 games get mentioned as being the games that will be massive PS3 sellers. The problem is that the only REAL AAA contenders are DMC4, FF XIII and MGS4 - these three are due for release in 2008 with DMC4 possibly Q4 of this year.

There's just nothing out there at the moment that is tempting.

The system is not the problem... it's the lack of good games when compared with the 360. The PS3 just has to be that much better than the 360 to overcome its' one year advantage... and so far it isn't looking like it is going to prove to be a better buy than the 360 any time soon.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike

koneko

AceCard Jones wrote:

It's 12.2% of the entire library of PS2 games, that's triple what the X-Box has now and it's had over a year.I wasn't originally planning on comparing the two but someone else did so I felt obligated.:)

Why not compare to PS3s in other regions? Same console, but instead of 12%, Japan/US get 98% (and pay less). That sure seems fair.

AceCard Jones

I'll actually correct myself and everyone else on this Koneko,
In-fact only a little over 2,000 titles were released for the PS2 in the EU, so we have 50% BC right off the bat.And if you read my post in the rant thread you would know I am very disgusted about the BC being slightly lowered for now.
But to be honest it's a big investment that I'm quite excited about, so I'm going to start looking at the good points now.

steviec

Tauren wrote:

erm..... Call of Duty 2 was, and still is, one of the best titles on the 360, and it was a launch title. Ghost Recon AW, Oblivion were out in the following March.

So at this stage in the lifespan of the 360, 3 of its biggest titles were out.

All three of those were multiplatform with the PC, and the PS3 has CoD3, Oblivion and Rainbow 6: Vegas all for the March launch - directly comparable to the 360's best launch window games, and none of those are even being counted as the PS3's best. The 360 just had the advantage of there being no other next gen consoles that it had to share its multiplatform games with. Add to that the PS3 also already has genuine exclusives in Resistance, Motorstorm, Tekken 5, Formula 1 at launch and its not looking so bad. Better than the 360 at that stage in its life you could say, but certainly not as strong as the 360 right now. Give it a year and things will even out.

The PS3 is under an insane amount of scrutiny at the moment and everyone seems to want it to fail - the truth is it has a very above average list of launch titles, not enough to make me want to buy one yet but its a more solid foundation than the 360 had and more than the Wii has right now, and I know Sony have far too many talented dev studios and too much third party support for there not to be many compelling reasons to buy one a year after launch, just like the 360 was a far more enticing deal a year after its launch.

AceCard Jones

I do agree with that post completely Steviec, I have my problems with the way the BC was originally put across for our model, but now that we have been promised just about 50% at launch, my mind is put to rest that bit more that all my games will work.And just thought I'd add, Gears Of War is now planned for release on the PC at a later date.For me, the PS3 is perfect at launch as far as PS3 games and exclusives go, as even though many games are already out on the 360 and PC, I don't own a 360 so the PS3 will be fine for me at launch, and to put the cherry on the cake, all my games have a big chance of working.

Karmafaerie

What people don't seem to understand, and what fanbois choose to ignore, is that so many PS3 games are 360 ports!
Even if the PS3 was so much more powerful which it isn't (at the moment), it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference because they're 360 games.
This isn't going to change in the near future, as so many game developers have come out and said that it's so much easier and cheaper to develop games for the 360.

If you rewound the clock back a year and asked Sony fans what game was gonna make the PS3, 90% would have said GTA4.
Now, they seem to have forgotten that the game exists!

The simple fact of the matter is that neither the Wii, or the 360 is gonna win, but the PS3 will loose.

The PS2 was so dominant over the Xbox and GC, but by the time the next set of consoles rolls around, all three will be practically neck and neck.
A year ago, nobody would have imagined that.
Also, it's interesting to note that both Nintendo, and MS are planning to move up the release of their next gen consoles, in the hope to leave Sony late again, and that would hurt Sony a lot!

AceCard Jones

Yeah, they're ports now they won't be for much longer, if any longer, for example GTA 4 is being developed completely from scratch for both consoles.
And all multi-format games are likely to be the same in the near future, except for EA's titles of-course.

And it comes as no surprise to me that Microsoft at least, have decided to rush out their next console, that's their way of doing things, they were last into the 6th generation, and first into the 7th, in my view at least, people will soon get sick of the console they buy having such a short life span.I'm surprised that Nintendo have said this, although since I haven't seen reports of this I'm going to treat it purely as a rumour for now.

I am really failing to see how you can count a console out, before it has even launched world wide, or even had a chance to drop it's price, I am confident a lot of nay sayers will be shocked at the scene in a year or two.

Ciaran500

AceCard Jones wrote:

And it comes as no surprise to me that Microsoft at least, have decided to rush out their next console, that's their way of doing things, they were last into the 6th generation, and first into the 7th, in my view at least, people will soon get sick of the console they buy having such a short life span.I'm surprised that Nintendo have said this, although since I haven't seen reports of this I'm going to treat it purely as a rumour for now.

What are you talking about?

MS isn't releasing a new console anytime soon.

Vegeta

AceCard Jones wrote:

And all multi-format games are likely to be the same in the near future, except for EA's titles of-course.

why do you think this, why would you pay for something to be developed twice?

thebman

Slurms wrote:

I aint no Sony fanboi but 'no good launch games'?

Virtua Fighter 5, Virtua Tennis 3, Resistance and Motorstorm all seem very good.
The console itself won't suck its just Sony have screwed it up every chance they've gotten.

VF series has always sucked. VT is a good game but it is just a tennis game so it gets boring quickly, Resistence seems okay, probably about as good as Perfect Dark Zero and Motorstorm will be a piece of crap IMO given any other dirt racer I've played in the past was. The game doesn't even have split screen from what I've read.

So the launch line up is extremely poor IMO but all consoles are. Consoles aren't worth purchasing for about a year after launch as there are very few must have titles in that time IMO and most of the hardware problems seem to occur with the first version of the console so you could get faulty hardware.

AceCard Jones wrote:

I do agree with that post completely Steviec, I have my problems with the way the BC was originally put across for our model, but now that we have been promised just about 50% at launch, my mind is put to rest that bit more that all my games will work.And just thought I'd add, Gears Of War is now planned for release on the PC at a later date.For me, the PS3 is perfect at launch as far as PS3 games and exclusives go, as even though many games are already out on the 360 and PC, I don't own a 360 so the PS3 will be fine for me at launch, and to put the cherry on the cake, all my games have a big chance of working.

Using the Pc market is a joke as so few people have Pc's that can actually run the games and given the continuing decline of Desktop sales and increase of laptops sales this trend isn't changing. Most people won't update their Pc to play the latest games so a game on Pc and a console is pretty much exclusive to a console for the vast majority of consumers.

steviec wrote:

All three of those were multiplatform with the PC, and the PS3 has CoD3, Oblivion and Rainbow 6: Vegas all for the March launch - directly comparable to the 360's best launch window games, and none of those are even being counted as the PS3's best. The 360 just had the advantage of there being no other next gen consoles that it had to share its multiplatform games with. Add to that the PS3 also already has genuine exclusives in Resistance, Motorstorm, Tekken 5, Formula 1 at launch and its not looking so bad. Better than the 360 at that stage in its life you could say, but certainly not as strong as the 360 right now. Give it a year and things will even out.

Why wait a year if another console has great games you want now? That is the main problem with PS3. Why wait for great games to come to PS3 when you can get plenty of great games on 360 now. PS3 is competing with 360 today not 360 a year ago and needs the titles to convince people to buy the console. People don't buy potential (at least smart people).

The PS3 is under an insane amount of scrutiny at the moment and everyone seems to want it to fail - the truth is it has a very above average list of launch titles, not enough to make me want to buy one yet but its a more solid foundation than the 360 had and more than the Wii has right now, and I know Sony have far too many talented dev studios and too much third party support for there not to be many compelling reasons to buy one a year after launch, just like the 360 was a far more enticing deal a year after its launch.

PS3 is under so much scrutiny because Sony promised so much and are charging so much. I think they are delivering with hardware quality this time round (other than the BC problem for Europe) but the games just aren't there, same as every other console launch. Its just more noticeable with PS3 because when someone asks you to fork over 600 Euro, you are going to wonder what your getting for that price. The 400 and 250 prices of the competition makes people (or at least me) ask what am I getting that's worth paying that amount more and the simple answer for me is not a lot.

eamon234

Am I the only one put off by the price of this thing?? I was offered a 360 in Game today for 199 with my (very!) old PS2 and 4 (crappy!) games I think I might take them up on it there's no way on earth I'm paying 630 snots for a console I don't care how good it is. I think Sony are shooting themselves in the foot

chump

I personally see the ps3 doing well in the medium to long term. It will never have the penetration of the ps2, but it will be a bigger hitter than the xbox360 in the timeframe mentioned.


Having a wii, and likely sticking with it alone I'd obviously like to see it do best

Karmafaerie

AceCard Jones wrote:

Yeah, they're ports now they won't be for much longer, if any longer, for example GTA 4 is being developed completely from scratch for both consoles.
And all multi-format games are likely to be the same in the near future, except for EA's titles of-course.

Ahh, no, that's complete crap.
There will be very, very, few games that will be developed for both consoles separately.
Why would developers pay almost twice as much?!
The fact is that it's a hell of a lot easier, and cheaper to develop games for the 360, because the PS3 is a much more complex machine.
Maybe a few years down the line when developers can get more out of the PS3 they'll choose to deseign games for it.
At the moment, that isn't happening and nearly all dual console games are being developed for the 360.

AceCard Jones wrote:

And it comes as no surprise to me that Microsoft at least, have decided to rush out their next console, that's their way of doing things, they were last into the 6th generation, and first into the 7th, in my view at least, people will soon get sick of the console they buy having such a short life span.I'm surprised that Nintendo have said this, although since I haven't seen reports of this I'm going to treat it purely as a rumour for now.

Again with the baseless random MS bashing!
Cause MS are famous for rushing things out aren't they! Like Vista perhaps, only two years later than originally planned!
MS have been developing their next console part-time for a year now, so they have a head start on Sony.
Nintendo made such a tech simple console this time that they can put nearly all efforts into the next wave at the moment.
Sony are much further behind, and unless they choose to rush things themselves will end up a year back again next time.

P.S: The next Xbox is roughly slated for 4 1/2 years from now.
I'd hardly call almost 6 years a quick turnaround, would you?

AceCard Jones wrote:

I am really failing to see how you can count a console out, before it has even launched world wide, or even had a chance to drop it's price, I am confident a lot of nay sayers will be shocked at the scene in a year or two.

In the same way that all the Sony Fanbois are shocked with the scene now is it?
Sony got lazy and allowed the rest to catch up, if Sony can go back to what their good at, we'll see, but I've seen no evidence of that.

savemejebus

eamon234 wrote:

Am I the only one put off by the price of this thing?? I was offered a 360 in Game today for 199 with my (very!) old PS2 and 4 (crappy!) games I think I might take them up on it there's no way on earth I'm paying 630 snots for a console I don't care how good it is. I think Sony are shooting themselves in the foot

It's not just a console though, and no one should forget that. It's quite a reputable blu-ray player and early adopters love that sort of thing. Many people want just one box under their tv's and the fact that the the ps3 is quieter, better looking (personal opinion- love black and chrome) and more functional than a standalone 360 (hd-dvd is another box and cable under the tv) give's it a leg up over the MS product.

Now if MS launch a quiet, hd-dvd enabled 360 single unit, then it'll be really interesting.

Zapp Brannigan

brim4brim wrote:

VF series has always sucked.

Sorry no. I know it's opinion but your opinion is wrong.

steviec

brim4brim wrote:

Why wait a year if another console has great games you want now? That is the main problem with PS3. Why wait for great games to come to PS3 when you can get plenty of great games on 360 now. PS3 is competing with 360 today not 360 a year ago and needs the titles to convince people to buy the console. People don't buy potential (at least smart people).

So you're saying smart people don't think ahead? Why wait and see what the PS2 is going to be like when that Dreamcast has good games now? Yea, smart people should have bought the Dreamcast, definitely(before someone takes offense, yes the Dreamcast was a good console but in the long run if you could only have one then the PS2 would definitely have been the better purchase for so many reasons)

The 360 does have better games than the PS3 right now. But then the PS2 still has a better games library than the 360 right now, so why would anyone be stupid enough to buy a 360? Because they know it has a brighter future than the PS2 that's why.

And in the case of the PS3, yes the 360 has better games right now. But you also know that a year or two from now the PS3 will have MGS4, FFXIII, the next games from Team Ico and the God of War series, amongst many others which the 360 won't have. The 360 will have good games too that the PS3 won't have, but you simply can't discount the fact that there's many good reasons to want a PS3.

Like I said, I wouldn't buy one now but I will be in the future, and if I didn't already have a 360 and was only ever going to buy one console, I'd be thinking long and hard about which to go with and more than likely the PS3 would win out, as much as I like my 360.

BlitzKrieg

So you're saying smart people don't think ahead? Why wait and see what the PS2 is going to be like when that Dreamcast has good games now? Yea, smart people should have bought the Dreamcast, definitely(before someone takes offense, yes the Dreamcast was a good console but in the long run if you could only have one then the PS2 would definitely have been the better purchase for so many reasons)
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I hate that comparison. The major difference between the 360 and the dreamcast is that the dreamcast had good games...coming from SEGA, yet the big names (EA) refused to make games for it.

the 360 has good games coming from...microsoft AND EA ubisoft and all the other major developers.

the year head start microsoft got may not have won over as many buyers as they had hoped...but it has won over the developers.

The 360 does have better games than the PS3 right now. But then the PS2 still has a better games library than the 360 right now, so why would anyone be stupid enough to buy a 360? Because they know it has a brighter future than the PS2 that's why.

Honestly...in a perfect world the last generation should have continued on for a few more years (I still believe Sony didnt want to start this generation yet) the ps2 has proven it still has legs to keep going.

the problem though is where to go when the support for the ps2 ends...and a large part of the developing community are nodding at the 360 as the next step up.

but you simply can't discount the fact that there's many good reasons to want a PS3.

Would never do that, There are millions of good reasons to own a ps3...but

Those reasons are not here now (please note, I refused to buy a 360 on launch for the same reasons)

There are not enough reasons to pay 620 euros on a ps3.

A fairer comparison would be with the Wii - Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros Brawl - Nintendo gave all those release dates and then went back on them, at least Sony are keeping quiet, if they took the same approach as Nintendo people would be using it as further proof to call them 'liars' - as of right now the Wii is suffering a worse games drought than the PS3 and that trend isn't looking like changing(obviously you can mitigate that with the fact the Wii is much cheaper)

going back to this...with release dates....even ones that have been put back, I know that these games are at a point of production that they will see the light of day within this year.

the titles you have named are AAA titles that will hit the wii within this year, I know the Wii will not go down in price between now and those release dates.

The PS3 though, with no release dates...or even a hint of when they will hit (estimates jump between christmas 2007 to christmas 2008) the risk of investing in something that will not ever pay bck the investment because before these games hit the ps3 has a price drop severly p*sses me off.

and honestly the ps3 has as much of a drought as the Wii does, we have the launch titles (which for europe I admit is much stronger then the US one) and then what?

whats the ps3 hit to follow the launch selection?

whats my game for april?

McDermotX

BlitzKrieg wrote:

whats the ps3 hit to follow the launch selection?

whats my game for april?

I can appreciate that Blitkrieg, but that is something all launch machines have had to deal with..
The 360 was no different, and if I remember correctly the only big game to follow the console's late Nov-early Dec, was Dead or Alive 4.........an original launch title, and that was at the end of Jan 2006, with very little following until after the usual summer lull..
This is not unusual for all games machines and the PS3 will be no different.
But the PS3 is launching with a much stronger line-up than the 360 did (even more so for consumers who haven't gone down the 360 route already) and a lot of the Sony holdouts, will only be to pleased with the likes of Oblivion, Splinter Cell etc.
Don't forget, the PS3 will also benefit from the usual third-party releases that the 360 will over the next few months.............that may not be sufficient reason for a 360 owner to suddenly ditch his machine, but there are a lot of people out there who have never bought MS's machine, and some who'll finance their PS3 with the sale of their 360..

Probably the next big exclusive game scheduled for release is Factor 5's Lair which is currently down for a May release in the US, and will probably be the next game I buy, although I may pick up Virtua Tennis over here.
As for the rest of those AAA exclusive titles, their releases are as solid as most of the other console releases, but its true that it'll be a year before the PS3 will stretch its legs..

The brutal truth is that these AAA titles take a while to come, same way it did for the 360. I know a lot of people on here fell for Gears of War, which was a year after launch (game didn't do anything or me, but that's neither here no there), and that was a classic case of a game which was constanly used by MS to hype the 360 prior/during/after launch, but failed to have a solid date until 2 months to launch.

I would rather wait until AAA titles are ready, than try to convince myself that the likes of Excite Truck on the Wii is an acceptable release in this day and age, just to have something to play..

Good points though

robnubis

We had a PS3 in DCU there about a 2 weeks ago (DCU GamesSoc acquired it)

Playing Full Auto 2 and COD3, used the tilt sensor for full auto, have to say it felt tacked on...pretty useless. The controller is VERY light now, which is weird, feels like it could break very easily...

Noticed that COD3 looked really good, but some shadows and lighting weren't up to par with the 360 version

Lovely machine (although its made of this weird tacky plastic that leaves fingerprints all over the place) but i don't think I'd pay out 600 for something that wont come into its own for another year or two, when developers can really maximize its gpu.

BlitzKrieg

I can appreciate that Blitkrieg, but that is something all launch machines have had to deal with..
The 360 was no different, and if I remember correctly the only big game to follow the console's late Nov-early Dec, was Dead or Alive 4.........an original launch title, and that was at the end of Jan 2006, with very little following until after the usual summer lull..

i totally agree with you on the 360, over on the console wars thread I stated that the 360 launch was in my opinion a disaster.

what wasnt a disaster was pre launch and during it, microsoft kept up a steady stream of games being confirmed, their release dates, videos, demos etc.

You cant go a week without some new title being announced for the 360 or with a multiplatform being announced.

They may not be all AAA titles, but they get out there into the public domain and someone gets excited.


This is not unusual for all games machines and the PS3 will be no different.
But the PS3 is launching with a much stronger line-up than the 360 did (even more so for consumers who haven't gone down the 360 route already) and a lot of the Sony holdouts, will only be to pleased with the likes of Oblivion, Splinter Cell etc.
Don't forget, the PS3 will also benefit from the usual third-party releases that the 360 will over the next few months.............that may not be sufficient reason for a 360 owner to suddenly ditch his machine, but there are a lot of people out there who have never bought MS's machine, and some who'll finance their PS3 with the sale of their 360..[/quote]

But the PS3 is launching with a much stronger line-up than the 360 did (even more so for consumers who haven't gone down the 360 route already) and a lot of the Sony holdouts, will only be to pleased with the likes of Oblivion, Splinter Cell etc.

I agree the ps3 in europe has a strong release line up (its USA release line up was a joke) and in europe the playstation brand is strong while the xbox is actually very weak in comparison. but sony's lack of respect for this market has damaged this brand...not alot, but unless they start to deliver consistently then its gonna be worn away over time.

This is essentially what has happened in the US, the ps3 had a bad start which damaged it...but it failed to deliver after launch, so the bad press and opinions have stuck.

the 360 launch was a f*cking disaster, but microsoft has on most parts delivered on what they promised so most of the bad press has gone away (though the stain of faulty machines will never wash out)

Probably the next big exclusive game scheduled for release is Factor 5's Lair which is currently down for a May release in the US, and will probably be the next game I buy, although I may pick up Virtua Tennis over here.

Lair has had mixed impressions from its showcasing. There is no doubt it is a beautiful game. But the controls and gameplay depth have been questioned many times.

I would rather wait until AAA titles are ready, than try to convince myself that the likes of Excite Truck on the Wii is an acceptable release in this day and age, just to have something to play..

havnt played Excite truck wouldnt know if its half arsed or not. And I agree with waiting for AAA titles, my fear is that these AAA titles might never come or when they do it'll be too late.

Though one wierd thing about the PS3 I am interested in, the 360 has had steller games released for it, but its marketplace games have all been very simplistic in comparison.

in comparison the PS3 has had 2 big marketplace downloadable games released and 2 more on the way. Tekken dark resurrection and the gran turismo demo are meant to be the best thing on the machine at the moment. And that Warhawk has been downgraded from full release to downloadable game is both disapointing (the PS3 needs games on the shelves) but also exciting at possible potential, and then of course fl0w which is meant to be very playable...but short.

i am curious if the ps3 continues to grow strong in this area how will it affect the machine's role as a leader of blu-ray.

Killaqueen!!!

I'm not a big gaming nerd so maybe I don't know enough but everyone has to agree on this:

The PS3 is a fine piece of equipment and the potential it has for gaming and multimedia is fantastic.

But...It's gaming! Is it really worth it? I can't believe how many people are going to waste more of their money for a console when they already have the 360, the Wii and countless other gadgets. The PS3 is a toy for big boys with lots of money. I don't see it attracting any other audience. You could buy a freakin computer for the price of one of them.! I think Nintendo have got it right and going for the simplistic yet stylish design, and an inventive way of looking at gaming which doesn't just attract the rich nerdy guys - it's FUN for EVERYBODY. ('Fun' and 'everybody' being the key words here)

But, anyway, avoiding the 'which is better' arguement and focussing on whether the PS3 sucks or not (which is the topic) - the answer is no, the PS3 doesn't suck. Sony sucks. (For numerous reasons that have been pointed out already).

unreggd

New reason:

You have to have the PS3 fully on to charge the Controllers
[wont charge in stand-by mode]

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