Why the ps3 sucks.

AceCard Jones

I'll actually correct myself and everyone else on this Koneko,
In-fact only a little over 2,000 titles were released for the PS2 in the EU, so we have 50% BC right off the bat.And if you read my post in the rant thread you would know I am very disgusted about the BC being slightly lowered for now.
But to be honest it's a big investment that I'm quite excited about, so I'm going to start looking at the good points now.

steviec

Tauren wrote:

erm..... Call of Duty 2 was, and still is, one of the best titles on the 360, and it was a launch title. Ghost Recon AW, Oblivion were out in the following March.

So at this stage in the lifespan of the 360, 3 of its biggest titles were out.

All three of those were multiplatform with the PC, and the PS3 has CoD3, Oblivion and Rainbow 6: Vegas all for the March launch - directly comparable to the 360's best launch window games, and none of those are even being counted as the PS3's best. The 360 just had the advantage of there being no other next gen consoles that it had to share its multiplatform games with. Add to that the PS3 also already has genuine exclusives in Resistance, Motorstorm, Tekken 5, Formula 1 at launch and its not looking so bad. Better than the 360 at that stage in its life you could say, but certainly not as strong as the 360 right now. Give it a year and things will even out.

The PS3 is under an insane amount of scrutiny at the moment and everyone seems to want it to fail - the truth is it has a very above average list of launch titles, not enough to make me want to buy one yet but its a more solid foundation than the 360 had and more than the Wii has right now, and I know Sony have far too many talented dev studios and too much third party support for there not to be many compelling reasons to buy one a year after launch, just like the 360 was a far more enticing deal a year after its launch.

AceCard Jones

I do agree with that post completely Steviec, I have my problems with the way the BC was originally put across for our model, but now that we have been promised just about 50% at launch, my mind is put to rest that bit more that all my games will work.And just thought I'd add, Gears Of War is now planned for release on the PC at a later date.For me, the PS3 is perfect at launch as far as PS3 games and exclusives go, as even though many games are already out on the 360 and PC, I don't own a 360 so the PS3 will be fine for me at launch, and to put the cherry on the cake, all my games have a big chance of working.

Karmafaerie

What people don't seem to understand, and what fanbois choose to ignore, is that so many PS3 games are 360 ports!
Even if the PS3 was so much more powerful which it isn't (at the moment), it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference because they're 360 games.
This isn't going to change in the near future, as so many game developers have come out and said that it's so much easier and cheaper to develop games for the 360.

If you rewound the clock back a year and asked Sony fans what game was gonna make the PS3, 90% would have said GTA4.
Now, they seem to have forgotten that the game exists!

The simple fact of the matter is that neither the Wii, or the 360 is gonna win, but the PS3 will loose.

The PS2 was so dominant over the Xbox and GC, but by the time the next set of consoles rolls around, all three will be practically neck and neck.
A year ago, nobody would have imagined that.
Also, it's interesting to note that both Nintendo, and MS are planning to move up the release of their next gen consoles, in the hope to leave Sony late again, and that would hurt Sony a lot!

AceCard Jones

Yeah, they're ports now they won't be for much longer, if any longer, for example GTA 4 is being developed completely from scratch for both consoles.
And all multi-format games are likely to be the same in the near future, except for EA's titles of-course.

And it comes as no surprise to me that Microsoft at least, have decided to rush out their next console, that's their way of doing things, they were last into the 6th generation, and first into the 7th, in my view at least, people will soon get sick of the console they buy having such a short life span.I'm surprised that Nintendo have said this, although since I haven't seen reports of this I'm going to treat it purely as a rumour for now.

I am really failing to see how you can count a console out, before it has even launched world wide, or even had a chance to drop it's price, I am confident a lot of nay sayers will be shocked at the scene in a year or two.

Ciaran500

AceCard Jones wrote:

And it comes as no surprise to me that Microsoft at least, have decided to rush out their next console, that's their way of doing things, they were last into the 6th generation, and first into the 7th, in my view at least, people will soon get sick of the console they buy having such a short life span.I'm surprised that Nintendo have said this, although since I haven't seen reports of this I'm going to treat it purely as a rumour for now.

What are you talking about?

MS isn't releasing a new console anytime soon.

Vegeta

AceCard Jones wrote:

And all multi-format games are likely to be the same in the near future, except for EA's titles of-course.

why do you think this, why would you pay for something to be developed twice?

thebman

Slurms wrote:

I aint no Sony fanboi but 'no good launch games'?

Virtua Fighter 5, Virtua Tennis 3, Resistance and Motorstorm all seem very good.
The console itself won't suck its just Sony have screwed it up every chance they've gotten.

VF series has always sucked. VT is a good game but it is just a tennis game so it gets boring quickly, Resistence seems okay, probably about as good as Perfect Dark Zero and Motorstorm will be a piece of crap IMO given any other dirt racer I've played in the past was. The game doesn't even have split screen from what I've read.

So the launch line up is extremely poor IMO but all consoles are. Consoles aren't worth purchasing for about a year after launch as there are very few must have titles in that time IMO and most of the hardware problems seem to occur with the first version of the console so you could get faulty hardware.

AceCard Jones wrote:

I do agree with that post completely Steviec, I have my problems with the way the BC was originally put across for our model, but now that we have been promised just about 50% at launch, my mind is put to rest that bit more that all my games will work.And just thought I'd add, Gears Of War is now planned for release on the PC at a later date.For me, the PS3 is perfect at launch as far as PS3 games and exclusives go, as even though many games are already out on the 360 and PC, I don't own a 360 so the PS3 will be fine for me at launch, and to put the cherry on the cake, all my games have a big chance of working.

Using the Pc market is a joke as so few people have Pc's that can actually run the games and given the continuing decline of Desktop sales and increase of laptops sales this trend isn't changing. Most people won't update their Pc to play the latest games so a game on Pc and a console is pretty much exclusive to a console for the vast majority of consumers.

steviec wrote:

All three of those were multiplatform with the PC, and the PS3 has CoD3, Oblivion and Rainbow 6: Vegas all for the March launch - directly comparable to the 360's best launch window games, and none of those are even being counted as the PS3's best. The 360 just had the advantage of there being no other next gen consoles that it had to share its multiplatform games with. Add to that the PS3 also already has genuine exclusives in Resistance, Motorstorm, Tekken 5, Formula 1 at launch and its not looking so bad. Better than the 360 at that stage in its life you could say, but certainly not as strong as the 360 right now. Give it a year and things will even out.

Why wait a year if another console has great games you want now? That is the main problem with PS3. Why wait for great games to come to PS3 when you can get plenty of great games on 360 now. PS3 is competing with 360 today not 360 a year ago and needs the titles to convince people to buy the console. People don't buy potential (at least smart people).

The PS3 is under an insane amount of scrutiny at the moment and everyone seems to want it to fail - the truth is it has a very above average list of launch titles, not enough to make me want to buy one yet but its a more solid foundation than the 360 had and more than the Wii has right now, and I know Sony have far too many talented dev studios and too much third party support for there not to be many compelling reasons to buy one a year after launch, just like the 360 was a far more enticing deal a year after its launch.

PS3 is under so much scrutiny because Sony promised so much and are charging so much. I think they are delivering with hardware quality this time round (other than the BC problem for Europe) but the games just aren't there, same as every other console launch. Its just more noticeable with PS3 because when someone asks you to fork over 600 Euro, you are going to wonder what your getting for that price. The 400 and 250 prices of the competition makes people (or at least me) ask what am I getting that's worth paying that amount more and the simple answer for me is not a lot.

eamon234

Am I the only one put off by the price of this thing?? I was offered a 360 in Game today for 199 with my (very!) old PS2 and 4 (crappy!) games I think I might take them up on it there's no way on earth I'm paying 630 snots for a console I don't care how good it is. I think Sony are shooting themselves in the foot

chump

I personally see the ps3 doing well in the medium to long term. It will never have the penetration of the ps2, but it will be a bigger hitter than the xbox360 in the timeframe mentioned.


Having a wii, and likely sticking with it alone I'd obviously like to see it do best

Karmafaerie

AceCard Jones wrote:

Yeah, they're ports now they won't be for much longer, if any longer, for example GTA 4 is being developed completely from scratch for both consoles.
And all multi-format games are likely to be the same in the near future, except for EA's titles of-course.

Ahh, no, that's complete crap.
There will be very, very, few games that will be developed for both consoles separately.
Why would developers pay almost twice as much?!
The fact is that it's a hell of a lot easier, and cheaper to develop games for the 360, because the PS3 is a much more complex machine.
Maybe a few years down the line when developers can get more out of the PS3 they'll choose to deseign games for it.
At the moment, that isn't happening and nearly all dual console games are being developed for the 360.

AceCard Jones wrote:

And it comes as no surprise to me that Microsoft at least, have decided to rush out their next console, that's their way of doing things, they were last into the 6th generation, and first into the 7th, in my view at least, people will soon get sick of the console they buy having such a short life span.I'm surprised that Nintendo have said this, although since I haven't seen reports of this I'm going to treat it purely as a rumour for now.

Again with the baseless random MS bashing!
Cause MS are famous for rushing things out aren't they! Like Vista perhaps, only two years later than originally planned!
MS have been developing their next console part-time for a year now, so they have a head start on Sony.
Nintendo made such a tech simple console this time that they can put nearly all efforts into the next wave at the moment.
Sony are much further behind, and unless they choose to rush things themselves will end up a year back again next time.

P.S: The next Xbox is roughly slated for 4 1/2 years from now.
I'd hardly call almost 6 years a quick turnaround, would you?

AceCard Jones wrote:

I am really failing to see how you can count a console out, before it has even launched world wide, or even had a chance to drop it's price, I am confident a lot of nay sayers will be shocked at the scene in a year or two.

In the same way that all the Sony Fanbois are shocked with the scene now is it?
Sony got lazy and allowed the rest to catch up, if Sony can go back to what their good at, we'll see, but I've seen no evidence of that.

savemejebus

eamon234 wrote:

Am I the only one put off by the price of this thing?? I was offered a 360 in Game today for 199 with my (very!) old PS2 and 4 (crappy!) games I think I might take them up on it there's no way on earth I'm paying 630 snots for a console I don't care how good it is. I think Sony are shooting themselves in the foot

It's not just a console though, and no one should forget that. It's quite a reputable blu-ray player and early adopters love that sort of thing. Many people want just one box under their tv's and the fact that the the ps3 is quieter, better looking (personal opinion- love black and chrome) and more functional than a standalone 360 (hd-dvd is another box and cable under the tv) give's it a leg up over the MS product.

Now if MS launch a quiet, hd-dvd enabled 360 single unit, then it'll be really interesting.

Zapp Brannigan

brim4brim wrote:

VF series has always sucked.

Sorry no. I know it's opinion but your opinion is wrong.

steviec

brim4brim wrote:

Why wait a year if another console has great games you want now? That is the main problem with PS3. Why wait for great games to come to PS3 when you can get plenty of great games on 360 now. PS3 is competing with 360 today not 360 a year ago and needs the titles to convince people to buy the console. People don't buy potential (at least smart people).

So you're saying smart people don't think ahead? Why wait and see what the PS2 is going to be like when that Dreamcast has good games now? Yea, smart people should have bought the Dreamcast, definitely(before someone takes offense, yes the Dreamcast was a good console but in the long run if you could only have one then the PS2 would definitely have been the better purchase for so many reasons)

The 360 does have better games than the PS3 right now. But then the PS2 still has a better games library than the 360 right now, so why would anyone be stupid enough to buy a 360? Because they know it has a brighter future than the PS2 that's why.

And in the case of the PS3, yes the 360 has better games right now. But you also know that a year or two from now the PS3 will have MGS4, FFXIII, the next games from Team Ico and the God of War series, amongst many others which the 360 won't have. The 360 will have good games too that the PS3 won't have, but you simply can't discount the fact that there's many good reasons to want a PS3.

Like I said, I wouldn't buy one now but I will be in the future, and if I didn't already have a 360 and was only ever going to buy one console, I'd be thinking long and hard about which to go with and more than likely the PS3 would win out, as much as I like my 360.

BlitzKrieg

So you're saying smart people don't think ahead? Why wait and see what the PS2 is going to be like when that Dreamcast has good games now? Yea, smart people should have bought the Dreamcast, definitely(before someone takes offense, yes the Dreamcast was a good console but in the long run if you could only have one then the PS2 would definitely have been the better purchase for so many reasons)
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I hate that comparison. The major difference between the 360 and the dreamcast is that the dreamcast had good games...coming from SEGA, yet the big names (EA) refused to make games for it.

the 360 has good games coming from...microsoft AND EA ubisoft and all the other major developers.

the year head start microsoft got may not have won over as many buyers as they had hoped...but it has won over the developers.

The 360 does have better games than the PS3 right now. But then the PS2 still has a better games library than the 360 right now, so why would anyone be stupid enough to buy a 360? Because they know it has a brighter future than the PS2 that's why.

Honestly...in a perfect world the last generation should have continued on for a few more years (I still believe Sony didnt want to start this generation yet) the ps2 has proven it still has legs to keep going.

the problem though is where to go when the support for the ps2 ends...and a large part of the developing community are nodding at the 360 as the next step up.

but you simply can't discount the fact that there's many good reasons to want a PS3.

Would never do that, There are millions of good reasons to own a ps3...but

Those reasons are not here now (please note, I refused to buy a 360 on launch for the same reasons)

There are not enough reasons to pay 620 euros on a ps3.

A fairer comparison would be with the Wii - Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros Brawl - Nintendo gave all those release dates and then went back on them, at least Sony are keeping quiet, if they took the same approach as Nintendo people would be using it as further proof to call them 'liars' - as of right now the Wii is suffering a worse games drought than the PS3 and that trend isn't looking like changing(obviously you can mitigate that with the fact the Wii is much cheaper)

going back to this...with release dates....even ones that have been put back, I know that these games are at a point of production that they will see the light of day within this year.

the titles you have named are AAA titles that will hit the wii within this year, I know the Wii will not go down in price between now and those release dates.

The PS3 though, with no release dates...or even a hint of when they will hit (estimates jump between christmas 2007 to christmas 2008) the risk of investing in something that will not ever pay bck the investment because before these games hit the ps3 has a price drop severly p*sses me off.

and honestly the ps3 has as much of a drought as the Wii does, we have the launch titles (which for europe I admit is much stronger then the US one) and then what?

whats the ps3 hit to follow the launch selection?

whats my game for april?

McDermotX

BlitzKrieg wrote:

whats the ps3 hit to follow the launch selection?

whats my game for april?

I can appreciate that Blitkrieg, but that is something all launch machines have had to deal with..
The 360 was no different, and if I remember correctly the only big game to follow the console's late Nov-early Dec, was Dead or Alive 4.........an original launch title, and that was at the end of Jan 2006, with very little following until after the usual summer lull..
This is not unusual for all games machines and the PS3 will be no different.
But the PS3 is launching with a much stronger line-up than the 360 did (even more so for consumers who haven't gone down the 360 route already) and a lot of the Sony holdouts, will only be to pleased with the likes of Oblivion, Splinter Cell etc.
Don't forget, the PS3 will also benefit from the usual third-party releases that the 360 will over the next few months.............that may not be sufficient reason for a 360 owner to suddenly ditch his machine, but there are a lot of people out there who have never bought MS's machine, and some who'll finance their PS3 with the sale of their 360..

Probably the next big exclusive game scheduled for release is Factor 5's Lair which is currently down for a May release in the US, and will probably be the next game I buy, although I may pick up Virtua Tennis over here.
As for the rest of those AAA exclusive titles, their releases are as solid as most of the other console releases, but its true that it'll be a year before the PS3 will stretch its legs..

The brutal truth is that these AAA titles take a while to come, same way it did for the 360. I know a lot of people on here fell for Gears of War, which was a year after launch (game didn't do anything or me, but that's neither here no there), and that was a classic case of a game which was constanly used by MS to hype the 360 prior/during/after launch, but failed to have a solid date until 2 months to launch.

I would rather wait until AAA titles are ready, than try to convince myself that the likes of Excite Truck on the Wii is an acceptable release in this day and age, just to have something to play..

Good points though

robnubis

We had a PS3 in DCU there about a 2 weeks ago (DCU GamesSoc acquired it)

Playing Full Auto 2 and COD3, used the tilt sensor for full auto, have to say it felt tacked on...pretty useless. The controller is VERY light now, which is weird, feels like it could break very easily...

Noticed that COD3 looked really good, but some shadows and lighting weren't up to par with the 360 version

Lovely machine (although its made of this weird tacky plastic that leaves fingerprints all over the place) but i don't think I'd pay out 600 for something that wont come into its own for another year or two, when developers can really maximize its gpu.

BlitzKrieg

I can appreciate that Blitkrieg, but that is something all launch machines have had to deal with..
The 360 was no different, and if I remember correctly the only big game to follow the console's late Nov-early Dec, was Dead or Alive 4.........an original launch title, and that was at the end of Jan 2006, with very little following until after the usual summer lull..

i totally agree with you on the 360, over on the console wars thread I stated that the 360 launch was in my opinion a disaster.

what wasnt a disaster was pre launch and during it, microsoft kept up a steady stream of games being confirmed, their release dates, videos, demos etc.

You cant go a week without some new title being announced for the 360 or with a multiplatform being announced.

They may not be all AAA titles, but they get out there into the public domain and someone gets excited.


This is not unusual for all games machines and the PS3 will be no different.
But the PS3 is launching with a much stronger line-up than the 360 did (even more so for consumers who haven't gone down the 360 route already) and a lot of the Sony holdouts, will only be to pleased with the likes of Oblivion, Splinter Cell etc.
Don't forget, the PS3 will also benefit from the usual third-party releases that the 360 will over the next few months.............that may not be sufficient reason for a 360 owner to suddenly ditch his machine, but there are a lot of people out there who have never bought MS's machine, and some who'll finance their PS3 with the sale of their 360..[/quote]

But the PS3 is launching with a much stronger line-up than the 360 did (even more so for consumers who haven't gone down the 360 route already) and a lot of the Sony holdouts, will only be to pleased with the likes of Oblivion, Splinter Cell etc.

I agree the ps3 in europe has a strong release line up (its USA release line up was a joke) and in europe the playstation brand is strong while the xbox is actually very weak in comparison. but sony's lack of respect for this market has damaged this brand...not alot, but unless they start to deliver consistently then its gonna be worn away over time.

This is essentially what has happened in the US, the ps3 had a bad start which damaged it...but it failed to deliver after launch, so the bad press and opinions have stuck.

the 360 launch was a f*cking disaster, but microsoft has on most parts delivered on what they promised so most of the bad press has gone away (though the stain of faulty machines will never wash out)

Probably the next big exclusive game scheduled for release is Factor 5's Lair which is currently down for a May release in the US, and will probably be the next game I buy, although I may pick up Virtua Tennis over here.

Lair has had mixed impressions from its showcasing. There is no doubt it is a beautiful game. But the controls and gameplay depth have been questioned many times.

I would rather wait until AAA titles are ready, than try to convince myself that the likes of Excite Truck on the Wii is an acceptable release in this day and age, just to have something to play..

havnt played Excite truck wouldnt know if its half arsed or not. And I agree with waiting for AAA titles, my fear is that these AAA titles might never come or when they do it'll be too late.

Though one wierd thing about the PS3 I am interested in, the 360 has had steller games released for it, but its marketplace games have all been very simplistic in comparison.

in comparison the PS3 has had 2 big marketplace downloadable games released and 2 more on the way. Tekken dark resurrection and the gran turismo demo are meant to be the best thing on the machine at the moment. And that Warhawk has been downgraded from full release to downloadable game is both disapointing (the PS3 needs games on the shelves) but also exciting at possible potential, and then of course fl0w which is meant to be very playable...but short.

i am curious if the ps3 continues to grow strong in this area how will it affect the machine's role as a leader of blu-ray.

Killaqueen!!!

I'm not a big gaming nerd so maybe I don't know enough but everyone has to agree on this:

The PS3 is a fine piece of equipment and the potential it has for gaming and multimedia is fantastic.

But...It's gaming! Is it really worth it? I can't believe how many people are going to waste more of their money for a console when they already have the 360, the Wii and countless other gadgets. The PS3 is a toy for big boys with lots of money. I don't see it attracting any other audience. You could buy a freakin computer for the price of one of them.! I think Nintendo have got it right and going for the simplistic yet stylish design, and an inventive way of looking at gaming which doesn't just attract the rich nerdy guys - it's FUN for EVERYBODY. ('Fun' and 'everybody' being the key words here)

But, anyway, avoiding the 'which is better' arguement and focussing on whether the PS3 sucks or not (which is the topic) - the answer is no, the PS3 doesn't suck. Sony sucks. (For numerous reasons that have been pointed out already).

unreggd

New reason:

You have to have the PS3 fully on to charge the Controllers
[wont charge in stand-by mode]

Looky Here

AceCard Jones

Also, you have to plug it in to use it....
Well since we're picking at nothing here...:rolleyes:
Can you watch your TV when it's on standby??

Just stick it in your PC and I'm sure it will charge......

Zapp Brannigan

AceCard Jones wrote:

Also, you have to plug it in to use it....
Well since we're picking at nothing here...:rolleyes:
Can you watch your TV when it's on standby??

Just stick it in your PC and I'm sure it will charge......

I dont think its nothing. Its so handy having the 360 charge your controllers when in standby.
It will be annoying.

McDermotX

Slurms wrote:

I dont think its nothing. Its so handy having the 360 charge your controllers when in standby.
It will be annoying.

Have to disagree with you there,
I let one of my PCs charge the 360 pads when need be, as I can't stand the noise from the 360, even when its slumber charging the pads.
Its like some annoying whimper in the background..

On the flip-side, the battery life of the PS3 pads is pretty good, so I don't feel it'll be an issue with most people..

Zapp Brannigan

I dont have the option of plugging my pads into the pc as I dont have one in my bedroom.

AceCard Jones

Plus you can just charge the pad as you're playing, I don't find this a big deal, but I'm sure a lot of people will.