Nominations for Mod(s)

DeVore

Can we have self-nominations or nominations of others (which have to be accepted by the person) for the moderatorship of this forum?

DeV.

smashey

If you're stuck, I don't mind keeping an eye on things.

Kingp35

Either myself or Rooster would be the best choices because we are the ones who post on this forum the most and we both have considerable knowledge of the sport.

No offence smashey but I dont think you have ever even posted in Darts and the reason I raised this issue is because I thought it best that their should be a mod that has an interest in darts and is a regular poster on the forum.

cast_iron

Without a doubt, Kingp35 or Rooster (assuming he's interested) or both.

I'm not sure two are needed, but I suppose it won't do any harm either. An admin decision, I would think.

fade2black

Let Kingp35 and Rooster do it together. They can promote the game between them.

smashey

Actually, Kingp35 would be good.

Kingp35

fade2black wrote:

Let Kingp35 and Rooster do it together. They can promote the game between them.

Thats ok by me as long as Rooster wants the job.

Rooster?

smashey

Kingp35 wrote:

Thats ok by me as long as Rooster wants the job.

Rooster?

He's too busy giving a running commentary on the BDO final.

Another guy I have in mind is carrickman.

Talliesin

Kingp35 admits that he's a regular here and he thought posts he didn't bother to report were problematic. If someone isn't bothered to help the moderation process as a user what good will they be as a moderator?

The Rooster

I vote for Kingp35 as the only man for the job.

The power might go to my head, so I'd prefer to leave it to someone else! But I will give assistance if required.

Kingp35

Talliesin wrote:

Kingp35 admits that he's a regular here and he thought posts he didn't bother to report were problematic. If someone isn't bothered to help the moderation process as a user what good will they be as a moderator?

Cheers for the vote of confidence. I understand your point but I did raise this issue in feedback about the problems so its not like I did nothing.

The Rooster

Talliesin wrote:

Kingp35 admits that he's a regular here and he thought posts he didn't bother to report were problematic. If someone isn't bothered to help the moderation process as a user what good will they be as a moderator?

Isnt bothered? Why the tone? No need for the high and mighty attitude.

Darts often gets criticised by those who are ignorant of the facts.

The regulars re-butted the ridiluous comments by giving facts and staying calm and not resorting to a flame-war or abuse. The trolls, if thats what they are, went away.

I wouldnt have thought to report a post as no mods ever appear on this forum.

If Kingp35 doesnt meet whatever standards are required, then nobody does.

Talliesin

The Rooster wrote:

Isnt bothered? Why the tone?

What tone? This is a thread for nominations for Mods. I'm pointing out a reason for believing someone would be a poor moderator. That person or others who support their nomination can counter my argument if they think different. That isn't a matter of tone, that's a matter of someone who isn't bothering to deal with a problem they see in a forum jumping straight into saying that not only should there be someone doing more for the forum than present, but that they should be that person.

That smacks of the same sort of phenomena which is why we have a guideline of those suggesting a new forum shouldn't be the moderator.

The Rooster wrote:

The regulars re-butted the ridiluous comments by giving facts and staying calm and not resorting to a flame-war or abuse. The trolls, if thats what they are, went away.

Maybe the current level of moderation is adequate then. If calm counter-argument was all it takes then that's better than there having been any moderator action.

The Rooster wrote:

I wouldnt have thought to report a post as no mods ever appear on this forum.

Why would a mod appear on the forum if there'd been no reported posts. That's like saying "I didn't think to call the Gardai when I was burgled as no Gardai ever appear in my house".

Kingp35

Talliesin wrote:

That person or others who support their nomination can counter my argument if they think different. That isn't a matter of tone, that's a matter of someone who isn't bothering to deal with a problem they see in a forum jumping straight into saying that not only should there be someone doing more for the forum than present, but that they should be that person.

This is quite funny. You say im not bothering to deal with the problem yet I raised the issue in feedback that there was a problem that needed sorting. It was others that suggested I put my name forward. Most people would consider the fact that I raised the problem as doing something about it.

But if you think im not fit for the job then by all means give it to someone else. All I want is a regular poster in the darts forum to be the mod.

fade2black

Talliesin, you can see that Kingp35 was concerned about the Darts forum. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here to be honest.

Talliesin

I don't know. Apparantly somewhere in this forum there's posts I should look at, but nobody feels inclined to report them. *shrug*

Ronan|Raven

kingp35 without a doubht.

Or maybe he doesnt fit into the boards clique.

Talliesin

There are far too many mods to fit into a single clique. I'm just concerned about the facts I've stated.

This is a Sports forum. Amz is one of the most on the ball category moderators around. If the issues mentioned in Feedback (though there still isn't a single post reported, and from what Rooster has said there possibly wasn't actually a post worth reporting) had been reported they would have been dealt with. Instead we've got someone who didn't bother to report what they later described as a problem being suggested for moderator for the very same forum.

I don't understand.

Kingp35

Talliesin wrote:

(though there still isn't a single post reported, and from what Rooster has said there possibly wasn't actually a post worth reporting)

Why would I report the post now after I have raised the issue and now the thread in question has been locked. Have a read through it and will see that there certainly was a posts that deserved reporting.

What happened was some people were claiming that darts was a "knacker sport" and only fat poeple play it. Myself and others dealt with it by pointing out how they were wrong and that was that. Sadly the same people came back and posted the same rubbish again and when I saw this I immediately raised the issue in feedback.

Maybe now you understand.

Ronan|Raven

Kingp35 wrote:

Maybe now you understand.

I wouldnt bet on it.

The Rooster

For the love of jaysus.

Kingp35 should be moderator of this forum.

I am sure he has close to, if not the full 100% support of the regular posters for this task. If thats not enough, then I dont know what is.

There may be a guideline advising against it because he was the one who got this particular board up and running. But presumably this is a guideline and not a rule, because its known there will be the odd exception. This is one of those exceptions.

This is a small community, who get on very well together. A lot of interesting debate has been generated and rarely if ever has it descended into arguments. However, we need a darts mod to keep it that way.

We unanimously want Kingp35 to be that mod.

Carcharodon

Not a regular poster in Darts but view it alot and Kingp35 would be perfect for mod, dont know why some individuals are being so anal about it all :rolleyes:

Gillie

Kingp35 or Rooster!
Both regular posters any very knowledgeable of the game of darts.

There have been some nonsense threads here recently (which I did indeed take part in) and they need to be monitored more.
Good luck to you both

BigCon

Why are we even discusing this? Kingp35 is the best man for the job by a long way...

Talliesin

Kingp35 wrote:

Why would I report the post now after I have raised the issue and now the thread in question has been locked.

I'm more wondering why you raised the issue of the moderator not responding to the report when there had been no such report. Until you said above that the thread has been locked (so a mod or admin did do something) I still wasn't clear as to whether there was something I should be looking at since while this is a forum without a local mod I will step in if the users here want moderation help.

The same thing is going to apply to you as moderator if you have a busy period when you can't come on boards except when you receive a reported post mail.

Kingp35 wrote:

I immediately raised the issue in feedback.

Why did you do this? You hadn't given the moderator system a chance to help you, but you jumped straight into complaining about that rather than complaining to the moderator about the thread.

The Rooster wrote:

There may be a guideline advising against it because he was the one who got this particular board up and running. But presumably this is a guideline and not a rule, because its known there will be the odd exception. This is one of those exceptions.

Agreed. And there is a lot here that says that Kingp35 should be the moderator here. I'm just concerned about someone who apparantly isn't happy dealing with the cat-mod being moderator.

The Rooster wrote:

This is a small community, who get on very well together. A lot of interesting debate has been generated and rarely if ever has it descended into arguments.

I agree that ideally someone from the clique here who has a good feel of what the consensus opinion of what's acceptable and unacceptable is would be the best choice. I agree that Kingp35 appears to be someone that fits the bill.

I'm just worried that someone who jumps straight into criticising the cat mods moderation without actually giving her a chance to do anything is going to be working with her. Believe me, one of the reasons you have a forum where you can have these discussions is that people who decide to act the bollix across the whole Sports category (and there are many) have been dealt with before you even saw them here.

I don't think criticising one of the most active moderators on this site for failing to respond to something that wasn't reported shows good faith.

Even if you just didn't know how to report a post I'd be happy (as long as you've to cop-on to work on how after learning there was such a feature, of course) but otherwise I'm concerned that you might be one of the people who get paranoid about mods. I don't want one of the people who think that's what modding is about being a mod.

Kingp35

Talliesin wrote:

I'm just worried that someone who jumps straight into criticising the cat mods moderation without actually giving her a chance to do anything is going to be working with her.

I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. Yes, there have been bad posts of late from people on this board. I sure if these were reported that Amz would deal with them. That was only part of the reason I raised in feedback. The other reason was because I think there should be a mod who is a regular contributer to the forum and has a good knowledge of the board. My reasons for this is because said mod can set up relevant darting resources and can help any new people that come across the board. Im sure you will agree that a mod who has a good knowledge of the forum they are moderating is a distinct advantage. Im sure you yourself have a quite a good knowledge on Religion and Spirituality or a good interest in it at least, in order for you to be the best mod you can be on that forum.

If I came across as being too critical an Amz Im sorry, that wasnt my intention at all. I raised the issue because we have no actice mods on Darts and never have. The board has become quite popular in the last few weeks and an actie mod would be an advantage.

If people have a problem me then maybe Carrickman would do a better job.

The Rooster

I think regardless of whether the current system would have worked had someone reported the post (and I'm sure it would), we do need a darts mod to work alongside the cat-mod.

From my reading of Talliesin's posts, I believe that if Kingp35 gives a committment to work in harmony with amz, then the job will be his.

And everyone will be happy again

Kingp35

The Rooster wrote:

From my reading of Talliesin's posts, I believe that if Kingp35 gives a committment to work in harmony with amz, then the job will be his.

And everyone will be happy again

Im quite happy to have Amz as my boss. :cool:

Talliesin

Kingp35 wrote:

Im sure you yourself have a quite a good knowledge on Religion and Spirituality or a good interest in it at least, in order for you to be the best mod you can be on that forum.

The main advantage is that it makes you inclined to keep looking at the forum, though within the Religion and Spirituality category, there is the interesting case of the Islam forum, whose excellent mod is, by his own admission, relatively ignorant of the topic compared to many posters (though indeed, he has an interest). I'd say that in general interest in the topic has very little to do with moderating well, but a lot to do with being motivated in the right way (as long as you can keep a rein on biases that anyone with an interest in a topic will inevitably have).

In general though, I agree with your point.

Kingp35 wrote:

If I came across as being too critical an Amz Im sorry, that wasnt my intention at all. I raised the issue because we have no actice mods on Darts and never have. The board has become quite popular in the last few weeks and an actie mod would be an advantage.

That statement has quite adequately cleared up all my concerns.

Kingp35 wrote:

If people have a problem me then maybe Carrickman would do a better job.

I think the only person with a problem was myself, and I'm now satisfied in so far as I had a concern. I withdraw all of my questioning and wholeheartedly support your nomination.

Hope to see you in the Moderators forum soon.

Nuttzz

kingp35 no question really

Carrickman

Kingp35 wrote:

If people have a problem me then maybe Carrickman would do a better job.

You are the best person for the job, I would not have the time to do it as I have a lot on my plate with my own site and work commitments (cheers anyway!).

Kingp35 all the way!

Talliesin

Talliesin wrote:

That statement has quite adequately cleared up all my concerns.

Actually scratch that.

This is a ****ing piss-take. You don't need more moderation, you just need to read the bloody charter.

The Rooster

Talliesin wrote:

Actually scratch that.

This is a ****ing piss-take. You don't need more moderation, you just need to read the bloody charter.

Well you're the only one who says its a piss-take. Does that mean you withdraw your support?

11 people (excl Kingp35) who read and post on the Darts Forum have posted on this thread.

All 11 see the need for a darts mod and all 11 have requested that Kingp35 be appointed.

Surely that is compelling?

Talliesin

Yes, I'm withdrawing my support.

As far as I can see here there is plenty of evidence that Kingp35 is an excellent poster in this forum, but there's a hell of a lot to evidence to suggest he'd be a dreadful moderator.

Surely his recent behaviour is more compelling than how popular he is?

BigCon

Nearest the bull gets it

BigCon

Talliesin wrote:

Yes, I'm withdrawing my support.

As far as I can see here there is plenty of evidence that Kingp35 is an excellent poster in this forum, but there's a hell of a lot to evidence to suggest he'd be a dreadful moderator.

Surely his recent behaviour is more compelling than how popular he is?

Post reported - obvious trolling...

Ronan|Raven

You cant beat a bit of Bully.

The Rooster

Talliesin wrote:

Yes, I'm withdrawing my support.

As far as I can see here there is plenty of evidence that Kingp35 is an excellent poster in this forum, but there's a hell of a lot to evidence to suggest he'd be a dreadful moderator.

Surely his recent behaviour is more compelling than how popular he is?

I can see your point to an extent, but I think you're being way too harsh, and to say "there's a hell of a lot of evidence" is a hell of an exaggeration.

The bad thread reminded Kingp35 that the site needed a darts mod in addition to the cat mod. So he went straight to feedback to make his point known. Perhaps the first thing he should have done was report it, but either way within 23 minutes of his post on feedback the thread was locked.

The big picture here is we are a small but growing community. It would benefit us to have a darts mod. We want Kingp35.

Talliesin

The Rooster wrote:

I can see your point to an extent, but I think you're being way too harsh, and to say "there's a hell of a lot of evidence" is a hell of an exaggeration.

No, I don't think I'm being too harsh at all. Harsh maybe, I'm not a particularly nice person, but not too harsh.

There's a difference between an expert poster a helpful poster and a moderator.

And expert poster posts good posts. The most obvious cases are times when the poster has great knowledge about and passion for the topic. Other times are someone who doesn't know squat, knows they don't know squat, but in trying to find out more asks intelligent questions that lead to good conversations. Expert posters are the bread and butter of a site like this and a damn sight more important than moderators.

A moderator is mostly a janitor who cleans up the crap, responds to issues whether by trying to defuse them, warning about them, or banning, deleting or editting as is appropriate. A moderator stickies threads likely to be particularly interesting to users on an ongoing basis (threads likely to be particularly interesting right now will stay on the top of the page by themselves, and these will push those with ongoing value [in a sports forum this might be a published listing of fixtures, for example] down). A moderator acts as a gateway to posts that are potentially useful to the community, but are close enough to advertising that there would quickly be a Spam free-for-all if there was no such gateway.

A helpful user reports issues. Doesn't report posts that aren't issues. Reports issues well - choosing between PM and Report Post appropriately and giving concise, but informative, notices in the report with reference to the charter when appropriate. A helpful user responds to questions from other posters they can answer, but doesn't take it the wrong way if a more knowledgeable poster corrects them. A helpful poster escalates issues appropriately to ensure that the people who should be dealing with them can do so. A helpful poster posts the sort of posts that make good stickies. A helpful poster will find announcements that may interest all but which are essentially adverts and so either posts them in threads set aside for that (the "Pimp my show" thread in Radio is an example) or passes them on through a mod. Moderating a forum with a large number of helpful posters is extremely easy. Once that's happening the expert posters have the leg-space to do what they do well. Expert posters will generally be more popular than helpful posters. Helpful posters generally have an interest that will make them expert posters eventually and a sincerity that will stop them acting like they're experts before they generally are, so they don't care much that they aren't the forum's stars.

Some good posters can be all three, some are only one or two, some are none of these, but still good posters.

Helpful users are good mod material, even when they don't know much. Expert posters aren't, unless they're also helpful posters. Expert users that aren't also helpful are worse than useless, because their passion makes them more likely to be biased in a way that makes for enjoyable posts but poor moderating. One of the qualities of a useful poster is that if they are also an expert poster they keep their biases for where they are appropriate.

From what I can see Kingp35 is an expert poster, but very much not a helpful poster.

Firewalkwithme

I'd also like to nominate Kingp35 for moderator. I'm sure he will pick up all the necessary skills in no time and be an excellent moderator of this forum.

Talliesin - I think you are being incredibly anal about Kingp35 not reporting the post. Grow up and quit the nit-picking.

Talliesin

Cartoon_Head wrote:

Talliesin - I think you are being incredibly anal about Kingp35 not reporting the post. Grow up and quit the nit-picking.

The title of the thread is "Nomination for Mod(s)". I'm posting about why I think someone should be a bad mod.

It doesn't matter whether I'm anal or not, it matters whether I'm right or not.

If you think that I'm wrong, please demonstrate your thinking.

If you think caring about whether someone is a good moderator or not is anal, please don't nominate anyone.

Firewalkwithme

Talliesin wrote:

The title of the thread is "Nomination for Mod(s)". I'm posting about why I think someone should be a bad mod.

Well why don't you tell us who you think would be a good mod or are you just waiting for someone to nominate you? :rolleyes:

Talliesin wrote:

It doesn't matter whether I'm anal or not, it matters whether I'm right or not.

If you think that I'm wrong, please demonstrate your thinking.

You may be right in that the post should have been reported but that is not proof that Kingp35 wouldn't be the best moderator for this forums considering his knowledge and passion for the sport. Maybe he made a mistake, I'm sure you have made mistakes too but you learned from them right?

Talliesin wrote:

If you think caring about whether someone is a good moderator or not is anal, please don't nominate anyone.

I am as entitled as you are to make a nomination, perhaps even more so since I actually read this forum.

Gordon

Who actually suggested the forum by the way?

Firewalkwithme

Gordon wrote:

Who actually suggested the forum by the way?

Kingp35 according to post No. 21 in this thread.

Talliesin

Cartoon_Head wrote:

You may be right in that the post should have been reported but that is not proof that Kingp35 wouldn't be the best moderator for this forums considering his knowledge and passion for the sport.

That means very little as to moderating. A lot about being an expert poster. And that's good. Expert posters are more important than moderators. We only one mod per couple of forums, but it's expert posters that make forums. However that doesn't mean the two qualities equate.

Cartoon_Head wrote:

Maybe he made a mistake, I'm sure you have made mistakes too but you learned from them right?

Only when I've acknowledged them.

Cartoon_Head wrote:

I am as entitled as you are to make a nomination, perhaps even more so since I actually read this forum.

Yes, but if you don't think it's important you shouldn't bother.

Gordon

Gordon wrote:

Who actually suggested the forum by the way?

I did, and I think Kingp35 is the best choice.

ilovelamp2000

Jesus ... where do I start.

First of all Talliesin, relax. You make modding a forum sound brokering a peace deal in Northern Ireland.:rolleyes: It's only the internet honey.

Your reason as to why he won't make a good mod is basically "he didn't report the post". I'd say a good mod for this particular forum is someone who's going to bother looking at it. He will.

Kingp35 posts as much as any one else on here, has the respect of the rest of the regular posters here and doesn't seem like the type that would get carried away with the slightest hint of "power".

That said I nominate Rooster.

Macker

Kingp35

Kingp35

Talliesin wrote:

Only when I've acknowledged them.

Which I did. However, as I said, I went straight to feedback to get the problem sorted.

I dont know what your problem with me is Talliesin. Im not gonna try and justify my actions here anymore when I have gotten the support of so many people in this thread already.

Ill leave it to the admins to decide.

Talliesin

Kingp35 wrote:

Which I did. However, as I said, I went straight to feedback to get the problem sorted.

You acknowledged your mistake, however you [insert mistake here].

Sorry, my brain hurts too much now.