Do you believe......

Plug

.....in God, jesus, heaven, religion in general?
I don't believe in any of that stuff anymore and the way science is going it kinda proves the world was started by the "big bang" not by God:rolleyes:
So what are your views?

Stephen

I'm an atheist, so no.

faceman

but who started the big bang....

johnnyrotten

"To You Believe?"

Heyes

More a case of yes id like to believe there s something after you die. Not too sure if i believe in the fluffy clouds and angels with harps stuff.

Pigman II

I don't believe in nothing no more. I'm going to law school.

MrJoeSoap

I ton't believe.

coyote6

There is a God and you nor I are Him.

Jonny Arson

I defintely believe that there is an afterlife

Sangre

faceman wrote:

but who started the big bang....

No one.

No is my answer anyway.

the Shades

Religion is a psychological security blanket for those who have trouble dealing with their own mortality. So no I don't believe in it, or science for that matter

quickbeam

faceman wrote:

but who started the big bang....

Or a better question is WHAT started the big bang - scientifically speaking? Until science can answer that I am inclined to believe in some sort of higher power, though not the God that I learnt about as a child.

I'm somewhere between a believer and an agnostic.

AnonoBoy

I believe that people should read their thread titles before hitting the post button.

"To You Believe?"

That's not a question.

Holsten

No, of course not.

UnHolyMoe

I believe the universe is supported on the back of a turtle and it's turtles all the way down.

Dave!

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Atheist

Ruu_Old

Some kind of an afterlife but apart from that, no idea about god and all that jazz. My brain hurts.

Dave!

Good time to plug the Atheism forum, I feel All are welcome!

haunted-room

I am not an athiest as I was brought up catholic but I dont believe in god.

Dave!

Then you are an atheist

monkeyfudge

I find the idea of an afterlife repulsive. To go for all eternity in a place that makes no sense when you get down to the logistics of it.

If your wife dies and you re-marry, won't it be awkward in this after life?
What about if you're really old and senile when you die? Do you stay that way in heaven, and if you get to be a younger more lucid version of yourself, then how is that determined?

Life is finite, make the most of it while you have it.

InFront

Plug wrote:

I don't believe in any of that stuff anymore and the way science is going it kinda proves the world was started by the "big bang" not by God:rolleyes:

I also believe in the big bang, and I believe most of the stuff you read in books on theoretical physics. Some religions, most notably Islam, actually embrace science and mathematics, and what the Qur'an tells us is in line with scientific reality. This is a pretty interesting article on Islam and the Big Bang if you're interested.

Rb

As much as I'd like to believe that theres an afterlife, I very much doubt there is. I'd also like to believe in re-incarnation but chances are thats a white lie too.
I don't know what to believe.

dvega

For such a catholicism country we are definitely changing...

Adam

haunted-room wrote:

I am not an athiest as I was brought up catholic but I dont believe in god.

Worst post EVAR.

I don't believe in God/Heaven or any other supernatural beings or occurrances. We are biological instances of evolved bodies of cells blah blah blah...

We exist simply to exist. To reproduce, continue our race.

I don't believe in the Big Bang as such however. I believe that space is infinite, and in the same sense that a monkey and a typewriter with an infinite amount of time will write the entire works of Shakespeare (it will, don't question logic.), this instance of Earth as we know it, had to exist somewhere, sometime.

There are probably other instances like ours, infinte amounts of time and space away from us and therefore irrelevant, but that is a purely academic point and thinking about infinite space makes my brain hurt a bit.

Caliden

I like to think there's someone who hears my pleas ever now again as it makes me feel safer but I dont believe in heaven.
Death is a never-ending,dreamless sleep imo.

Sofaspud

faceman wrote:

but who started the big bang....

Who started god?

Sangre

Sofaspud wrote:

Who started god?

Man

InFront

"Worst post EVAR.
I don't believe in God/Heaven or any other supernatural beings
I don't believe in the Big Bang as such however. I believe that space is infinite,"

I would have thought the concept of infinity is in itself supernatural.

You don't believe in the big bang? On what basis? The act of a monkey infinitely typing on a typewriter producing a Shakespearean body of work, by its definition, begins at one certain moment in time, or rather, begins at one certain event in space-time.
The Earth similarly, had to, even as a random event, begin at a definite event. That is to say that the Earth began, like a Shakespeare play, at a single point in space and in 'time'.

andrew

Isn't a non-belief in god (or a god) just as much an act of faith as a belief in god is? It seems that athiests get caught up in the negitive aspects of religion (of which there are a ****load) while ignoring the good aspects. And i think its ironic that athiests like Richard Dawkins seem to act just like the evangelicists (spell?) they so deplore by saying how bad and stupid relgion is and going out of their way to promote athiesism. I really hate that chap.
Anyway, this rant is probably better suited to the athiesism forum or a new thread or something. I believe in god btw.

Killaqueen!!!

I'm too young to be questioning my faith...it's not fair I want to be a good Christian but I'm just so confused...

Sangre

Killaqueen!!! wrote:

I'm too young to be questioning my faith..

Eh?

Andrew - faith of atheism equivlent to belief?

Most atheists usually respond that their belief there is no God is the same as the belief there isn't an invisible pink unicorn in the room or the belief the universe rests on a Turtle, they can't prove and they probably won't ever know for certain but they'd still claim they are certain about based on all the available evidence to them. Tbh in this world it is almost impossible to be 100% correct in anything, anywhere except theoretical applications like Maths. Gravity is still only a theory but most people 'believe' in it.

Of course this point is more to do with semantics than substance.

Killaqueen!!!

Sangre wrote:

Eh?

oh never mind just me rambling on.


do i believe in heaven and that? yes.

chamlis

Sofaspud wrote:

Who started god?

We did. 35 years from now we reprogrammed him to be our protector here, i this time.

faceman

Sofaspud wrote:

Who started god?

God didnt start, He just was

Sangre

faceman wrote:

God didnt start, He just was

Then why can't the 'big bang' just be as well? Why does someone have to start it?

CerebralCortex

Plug wrote:

.....in God, jesus, heaven, religion in general?
I don't believe in any of that stuff anymore and the way science is going it kinda proves the world was started by the "big bang" not by God:rolleyes:
So what are your views?

I'm not a believer in Christian doctrine but how does the big bang prove beyond a reasonable doubt that some didn't create it(the big bang). You sound like a 14 year old how decided it was cool to be atheist.

faceman

Sangre wrote:

Then why can't the 'big bang' just be as well? Why does someone have to start it?

Something or someone had to trigger the big bang!

The real question is how many big bangs has the universe been through?

This is earth v10.4

CerebralCortex

the Shades wrote:

Religion is a psychological security blanket for those who have trouble dealing with their own mortality. So no I don't believe in it, or science for that matter

Not necessarily.

Sangre

faceman wrote:

Something or someone had to trigger the big bang!

The real question is how many big bangs has the universe been through?

This is earth v10.4

There is a difference between someone starting it and something starting it.

InFront

Sangre wrote:

it is almost impossible to be 100% correct in anything, anywhere except theoretical applications like Maths.

It is impossible to be certain even in mathematical addition. If you add the same two numbers together one hundred thousand times, and you get the same answer, you are still skating on the possibility that you were wrong one hundred thousand times. In mathematics, just as it is in science, the threat of error gnarls at everybody.

Isn't a non-belief in god (or a god) just as much an act of faith as a belief in god is?

Absolutely, all we atheists or Christians or Muslims or Scientologists or Philosophers or Physicists have is faith.

As much as scientists and mathematicians and theoretical physicists (who are neither really scientists nor mathmaticians:) ) sometimes demand that there is no God, such as in Richard Dawkin's case, they are ultimately basing their trust in their own faith.
As Sangre has said, it is impossible to be certain of anything. To paraphrase Shakespeare, life is just a poor player thats struts and frets his hour upon the stage. Richard Dawkin's demand that religions are incorrect, and he is right, is simply his opinion.

I found it quite funny seeing him on the Late Late Show a few months ago, debating with a Philosophy academic from UCD, attempting to explain why the notion of God is impossible, yet it is "very probable" (verbatum) that there is supernatural life elsewhere in the universe! And that without any proof! Shame on you, Mr Dawkins:p

Anti

Stephen wrote:

I'm an atheist, so no.

Same here.

Its just a security blanket to people to be honet. Well thats what i think.

But i have no problem with other people having a religion. Each to their own. But just dont push yours in my face :mad:

CathyMoran

I believe in God but I also believe that God was involved in the big bang and evolution and I do believe in the afterlife. I do not believe in imposing my views on anyone. I do not think of the afterlife as a security blanket as I believe that it is probably very hard to get to heaven!

Tar.Aldarion

No, I'm not stupid.
Kk.

Dave!

faceman wrote:

Something or someone had to trigger the big bang!

So god can just "start" out of nothing, but the universe had to be created by someone? How exactly do you reconcile that contradiction?

InFront wrote:

I found it quite funny seeing him on the Late Late Show a few months ago, debating with a Philosophy academic from UCD, attempting to explain why the notion of God is impossible, yet it is "very probable" (verbatum) that there is supernatural life elsewhere in the universe! And that without any proof! Shame on you, Mr Dawkins:p

When you consider that there are billions upon billions of planets flying around stars, and we only know about a teeny tiny portion of them, it does not seem unreasonable to consider life on other planets as a probable thing. There's no reason to assume that earth is special.

Crucifix

No religion for me thanks.

Smellyirishman

Well? Why won't he?

Sangre

InFront wrote:

It is impossible to be certain even in mathematical addition. If you add the same two numbers together one hundred thousand times, and you get the same answer, you are still skating on the possibility that you were wrong one hundred thousand times. In mathematics, just as it is in science, the threat of error gnarls at everybody.

You could be certainly right, I haven't done any reading on it. But as a theoretical notion, is not right because we say it is right? Although Maths isn't only theoretical, I was merely thinking of it as an example.

Although we do use 'proofs' in maths. Pythagarus' theorum has proof, can it every differ? Its not Pythagarus' Theory. I don't want to get into word play though!

Sangre

CathyMoran wrote:

I believe in God but I also believe that God was involved in the big bang and evolution and I do believe in the afterlife. I do not believe in imposing my views on anyone. I do not think of the afterlife as a security blanket as I believe that it is probably very hard to get to heaven!

To be a security blanket It doesn't matter if the person thinks its hard to get into heaven as long as he thinks he will probably get in. ( I obviously don't suppose your thoughts on your success)

Note my respect for Dawkins is mainly for encouraging threads and debates like this. It takes a lot courage and confidence to put yourself out there for so much flax.

CathyMoran

Sangre wrote:

To be a security blanket It doesn't matter if the person thinks its hard to get into heaven as long as he thinks he will probably get in. ( I obviously don't suppose your thoughts on your success)

I do not think that I will get in. I am seriously ill at the moment so I am thinking of trying to at least leave a good legacy. It is my gut instinct, a feeling that makes me believe even though I am a scientist (geneicist, engineer and food scientist).

InFront

DaveMcG wrote:

When you consider that there are billions upon billions of planets flying around stars, and we only know about a teeny tiny portion of them, it does not seem unreasonable to consider life on other planets as a probable thing. There's no reason to assume that earth is special.

Absolutely, yes. The universe is, quitecertainly at this moment (event!), larger than out comprehension, and supernatural life has a probability attached. But so equally has the idea that there is a God. Why should there be a little green man called an alien, and not a little green man called God/ Allah/ Yahweh/ Elah/ DaveMcG?

What about the impossible evidence that cannot be used, but cannot be disregarded: life before the big bang? We believe that, in modern physical terms, there was no time and no space before the big bang, that all existence was contained in one infintely small dot . Bit what preceded the dot? Previous cycles of the universe? What preceded all that? Surely there is probability attached to the concept that "something" began everything. What began something? The Universe? What began the universe? How long can we go on for!?

It all boils down to belief and personal faith. I love and respect Mathematics, bbut ultimately I have more faith in religion. Others may be atheists and respect Religion, but have more faith in Mathematics. Being the inverse of one another in that respect, doesn not make us absolutely dissimilar. No matter what we believe or disbelieve, we are all people of simple faith.