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Strange activity in my home.
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03-01-2007 8:50pm#1
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For the experince of being held down in bed, Sleep Paralysis is a very good explaination and as much as I'd love it to be more paranormal I have to say that 99.9% of cases I've read about fit into SP very well.
The great thing with your story Oisin (sorry to sound too enthusiastic
) is that things are being experienced by more than one person at the same time.
The ages of the girls fits beautifully with common traits of Poltergeist activity and though in many cases these activities are caused (unconsciously) by those experiencing it that does not make the phenomenon any feel real, frightning or paranormal.0 -
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Would this kind of a phenomenon result in apparitions of figures though? I really have to ask the two of them more about it. Sounds like an interesting theory anyway. Nothing like that has happened for a while now. It was mostly isolated around the same period between those two years.
Here's the screwdriver in all its glory
The wooden locker its sticking out of it made of a really *really* hard wood. its impossible to embed it in with your hand. We tried for ages but it kept falling out again. the noise we were making. Would have heard it if it were a person doing it. Not to mention the shed had been locked. very very odd.0 -
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I've often wondered if there could be a link like that. While the biological explanation of sleep paralysis is well documented, I don't think it in any way rules out paranormal ties aswell. The way I understand the biological explanation is that there's a "switch" that disconnects your brain from your body when you sleep so that your body doesn't act out your dreams. In sleep paralysis, your brain wakes up too fast, the switch doesn't kick in quick enough, so you can't move your body no matter how hard you try.CherieAmour wrote:Have a look at this - http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html
If that's what is happening to you I sympathise. It has happened to me several times. It happens my boyfriend too. He tries to call out for me but he can't speak or move. One time he managed to make a sound and i was able to wake him up and free him from it.
The fact that we have both also experienced the paranormal, we wondered if we were perceptable to it for some reason.
It could be that but like you say, with the activity going on in your house, I can understand you being suspicious that it is something else.
Now just as a quick example, supposing while you're asleep you sense an unusuall presence in your room that doesn't belong there (and many people who are interested in the paranormal believe that sleep can heighten your senses). It seems perfectly natural that you would instantly want to regain conciousness, possibly doing so too quickly, causing sleep paralysis, which you would then attribute to the presence you felt in the room.
The time I experienced it most clearly, I was happily sleeping away when I suddenly became aware that I was asleep and something was climbing in the window beside my bed (I always sleep with a window open). I instantly panicked and tried to wake up, snapping back to conciousness instantly, I could feel this person creeping in through window beside me. With my heart beating like crazy, I tried to jump up and grab him before he could get me, only to find I couldn't move, I was completely pinned down and couldn't even scream (I'm not ashamed to admit I tried, anyone who's experienced knows why
). Luckily I'd been readin about SP here that very day, so I realised what was happening, managed to calm myself and it wore off. When it did, it turned out there was a moth flying against the glass in the window, so it wasn't paranormal that time, but if we do accept the possibility of ghosts/spirits and the possibility of them passing through our rooms while we sleep, I bet they could trigger it a lot better than a moth could ...
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stevenmu wrote:it turned out there was a moth flying against the glass in the window, so it wasn't paranormal that time
The presence of the moth doesnt mean that there wasnt a presence there, the moth may have been there because of the energy? 0 -
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kshiel wrote:Just reading through this thread and finding some of it so familiar, I remember when I was young seeing people in my room a lot and the face was always blanked out. I used to go to my parents and say, "there is an evil witch in my room" or when it was a man, I would say "there is a young man in my room", It turned out when I described both of them they turned out to be My Grandmother who I would have met when I was very young, and the man was an uncle who I would have never met. Even though the faces where blanked out I still could sort of describe them and the emotion behind them. Of course the woman wasn't evil, just as was told to me very strict and held a strong presence of her own while alive. This could of course be explained away, through varies means at the time, but to this day I still see people in my room while only now they have faces or are figures of shadow and it doesn't scare me now, if in fact they are getting on my nerves I usually them to get out.
I also remember a couple of years ago coming home to find the attic door open. Its not on hinges, and was half way across the opening inside the attic, this frightened the crap out of me as I thought there was someone in the house, it was the middle of the day and I remember I rang my brother and father to come over and check it out. It turned out to have been the wind blowing it up, how I dont know but it seemed to make sense to me at the time.
I hope your sisters are Ok now or at least dealing with this as It can be the most frightening experience, terrifying in fact, and finding people to talk to about these things can be hard at times. IF all has ended and everything is peaceful now I would leave well enough alone.
Interesting read. I've never personally seen any kind of apparition like that myself. Anything I have ever seen has been while extremely sick. So I usually put it down to simple hallucinations. You still see people in your room on a regular basis and it does frighten you? Jesus. I don't think that's something I could ever get used to!
The attic door open on its own accord is really frightening. There's something creepy about attics...seeing the entry to one open without a reason is a very weird experience. Yours slides across? mine has hinges. And swings down. It has a latch that can only be opened from the landing. so when I walked out into the hall the thing was just hanging down right at my face level I got quite a nasty shock. No burglars in the house though thankfully
I appreciate the concern for my sisters. They were terrified at the time but now discuss it openly. Both are quite talented at drawing. I keep meaning to get both of them to draw it as a matter of interest. Without letting the other see till its finished. Might be some eery similarities between the pictures.0 -
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6th wrote:Ok so it sounds like this is not a 'haunting' but more a case of an unconscious energy, most likely originating from your sisters.
6th this is really interesting. For those of us who know next to nothing could you explain the difference between a haunting and unconscious energy.
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Carrigart Exile wrote:
6th this is really interesting. For those of us who know next to nothing could you explain the difference between a haunting and unconscious energy.
Essentially the theory says that A - People have the potential to cause effects in the world with the mind, such as telekinesis, B - We can't control it directly and C - In times of stress or anxiety we subconciously exercise these powers.
There is a statistical link between supposed poltergesit encounters and teenagers, especially girls.
So, the bones of the idea is that the girls are subconciously causing all this with psychic powers.0 -
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Carrigart Exile, have a google of the Enfield Poltergeist and that will give you a good idea of what an unconscious energy is capable of. Once you get past the idea that it was a demon and skip past the bits where the girls faked it of course 0
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6th wrote:If you want to read more on a similar though much worse case google the "Enfielf Poltergeist".
I don't get it, a google for "Enfielf Poltergeist" leads back to this thread. And a google for "Enfield Poltergeist" leads to a wikipedia article that says it was a hoax.
o1s1n you say both your sisters are quite talented at drawing, are they artistic? Do you think this has something to do with what they they saw?
The human imagination is what sets us apart for apes. 0 -
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tuxy wrote:I don't get it, a google for "Enfielf Poltergeist" leads back to this thread. And a google for "Enfield Poltergeist" leads to a wikipedia article that says it was a hoax.
Ah come now, you have to dig a bit, google is good but it doesnt just hand you the info. I also find alot of people rely too heavily on the interent when doing research ... it doesnt have everything ... yet.In late August of 1977, Mrs Peggy Harper, a divorcee in her mid forties, had put two of her four children to bed. They were living in a semi detached council house in Enfield, North London that had three bedrooms. Late at night, Janet, aged eleven and her brother Pete, aged ten, complained that their beds were "jolting up and down and going all funny". As soon as Mrs Harper got to the room the movements had stopped - as far as she was concerned her kids were making it all up.
The following night at 9.30 pm, Peggy was called to Janet and Pete’s room when they complained something was making a shuffling noise. Janet said it sounded like one of the chairs moving, so Peggy took the chair out of the bedroom to put their minds at ease. Saying goodnight to the children once more and turning off the light, she too heard the shuffling noise. As though somebody was "shuffling across the floor in their slippers". She turned the light on to see the furniture as normal and the children under their covers. Turning the lights off again, the noise started once more. They then heard four loud knocks on the partitioning wall of the house and Mrs Harper was astonished to see a heavy chest of draws moving about 18 inches across the floor, well beyond the childrens reach. As soon as it stopped, Mrs Harper pushed it back against the wall but as she turned her back, it moved once more to it’s former position. This time she found it impossible to move.
Mrs Harper recalls shaking with fear, yelling at the children to get out of their beds and to go downstairs - she was convinced that something unexplainable was going on. Seeing that their neighbours lights were on, the Harpers, still in their night clothes, ran next door for help. The neighbours searched the house and garden but found no-one. Soon they also heard the knocks on the walls which continued at spaced out intervals. At 11pm they called the police, who heard the knocks, one officer even saw a chair inexplicably move across the floor, and later signed a written statement to confirm the events. The following day, the events continued with small plastic bricks and marbles being hurled around house - when picked up, they were found to be hot. This ‘attack’ continued for three days by which time they sought help again, not only from the police, but a local vicar and local medium. But no-one seemed to be able to stop the escalation of events. The Harpers eventually turned to the press and the Daily Mirror sent out a reporter, Douglas Bence, with a photographer, Graham Morris, who stayed in the house for several hours. Nothing happened and the reporters decided to leave - they were almost in their car when the ‘flying bricks’ promptly resumed.
They were called back and a toy lego brick flew across the room hitting the photographer on the forehead as he attempted to take a picture. Later, as the photographer developed his negative he noticed that it had an inexplicable hole in it and that the flying brick could not be seen. Senior reporter at the Daily Mail, George Fallows, was so impressed by his colleagues experience that he followed up the story himself. He suggested that the Harpers call in the SPR (Society for Psychical Research) which in turn contacted Maurice Grosse, a member and resident of North London.
Grosse arrived at the Harpers on September 5th, a week after the disturbances had begun. For the next few days nothing out of the ordinary occurred. Then, on September 8th, whilst Grosse and a journalists from the Daily Mirror were keeping vigil, between 10 pm and 11 pm, they heard a crash in Janet’s bedroom. They discovered that her bedside chair had been thrown about four feet across the room where it was lying on it’s side. Janet was asleep at the time and no one saw the chair move. But when it happened an hour later, the photographer Morris was ready and captured the event on film. Grosse claims that then he experienced the strange happenings - rirst a marble was thrown at him from an unseen hand, he saw doors open and close by themselves, and claimed to feel a sudden breeze that seemed to move up from his feet to his head.
On 10th September, the Enfield case made the front page of the Daily Mirror, then the story was picked up by LBC radio ( a London based station) and that evening, Grosse, Mrs Harper and her neighbour took part in a two and a half hour NIGHT LINE programme. The phenomena continued - there was interference with electrical systems in the house, electrical faults and mechanical equipment failure, as soon as camera flashes were recharged they were quickly drained of power, an infra red sensitive television camera was brought in to do remote monitoring of the bedroom, but as soon as it began filming the tape would. The same thing happening to the BBC Radio reporters tapes when tape cassettes were found to be damaged, often the recordings erased, the metal inside some of the machines would be found bent, and even some of the tape decks would disappear reappearing several hours later. Grosse was soon joined in his investigation by writer Guy Lyon Playfair and the two men spent the next two years studying the case until it finally ceased. The knocking on walls and floors became an almost nightly occurrence, furniture slid across the floor and was thrown down the stairs, drawers were wrenched out of dressing tables. Toys and other objects would fly across the room, bedclothes would be pulled off, water was found in mysterious puddles on the floors, there were outbreaks of fire followed by their inexplicable extinguishing, curtains blowing and twisting in the wind when all windows and doors were closed, even accounts of human levitation - Janet claimed to have been picked up and flung about her room by an unseen entity (witnessed by neighbours passing by and looking up into the girls’ bedroom).
Both girls claimed that they were being pulled out of their beds by an invisible force and Janet claimed that the curtain beside her bed twisted several times in a tight spiral and attempted to wrap itself around her neck trying to strangle her. This was backed up by her mother who had witnessed this more than once. Soon an extraordinary harsh rough male voice was heard - coming from Janet’s throat. Janet claimed to have no control over the voice, and would even appear to be in a ‘trance’ like state when the voice occurred. The voice claimed to be several identities, often speaking in obscene language. One character who did keep reappearing was ‘Bill’ who claimed to have died in the house. Out of all the voices, this was the only one that could be verified. ‘Bill’ was a man who had allegedly died in the house, and event that none of the Harpers knew about. Psychiatrists and local doctors were brought in to see whether this was indeed Janet being mischievous or if a second personality was developing, or perhaps there was indeed a paranormal ‘entity’. Maurice Grosse spoke to speech therapists who suspected that the voice was not coming from Janet’s usual vocal chord equipment but by the second set of vocal chords all people have. Actors can be trained to speak using these ‘false chords’ to produce a deep gravely voice, however it can be a painful process. This theory was soon backed up by a recording of ‘the voice’ on a laryngograph (registers patterns made by frequency waves as they pass through the larynx). However to keep up this ‘gravely’ voice for hours on end would naturally have consequences on Janet’s normal voice. But Janet’s voice did not seem to be affected.
Grosse deemed that the source of the poltergeist activity seemed to have intelligence of some kind, since it would rap out answers to simple questions - one rap for no, and three for yes. During a session, Grosse asked how many years ago the supposed entity had lived in the house - there followed 53 raps. Mediums were brought in to help and Janet spent six weeks in Maudsley Hopsital in South London where she underwent extensive tests for any signs of physical or mental abnormality - but none were found and during this time the poltergeist activity ceased. Professor Hasted, head of physics at Birkbeck College, University of London, assigned his assistant to help identify the problems in the house, especially the spontaneous metal bending and snapping that appeared to be occurring around Janet. Not everyone was as willing to believe that this was entirely paranormal activity as Grosse and Playfair seemed to be - further researchers were sent by the SPR (Society for Physical Research) - Anita Gregory and John Beloff. Gregory was convinced that all the activity stemmed from Janet’s trickery. She claimed that they were excluded from the children’s bedroom when the phenomena was said to occur and that they would hear a ‘thump and a squeal’ from Janet’s room and upon entering they would find Janet sitting in the middle of the floor claiming she had been flung there by the ‘entity’.
Another occasion, Gregory was allowed into the room but had to stand with her head towards the door to allow the poltergeist activity to occur - it proceeded by throwing objects at her head whilst she heard the children giggling. Gregory believed the voices to be muffled voices of Janet and her thirteen year old sister Rose covering their mouths with their bedsheets or averting their faces whilst producing this ‘phenomenon’. During her visit, Gregory ‘caught’ Janet cheating - a video camera had been set up in a room next door to Janet that recorded her bending spoons and attempting to bend an iron bar by sheer force, as well as "bouncing up and down on her bed, making flapping movements with her hands". Janet admits to having done this. She claims that she "wanted to see if the investigators would catch her out - they always did". Gregory also claims that Janet’s Uncle, John Burcombe had told her that he believed that Janet had taught herself to talk in a deep voice and that she had always been a mischievous child, enjoying misleading strangers. Janet was also an athletic girl who could have quite easily jumped from her bed to the floor when she claimed she was being ‘thrown’ by the ‘entity’. After two years, the events subsided and the Harper family continued their normal lives.
Was this genuine phenomena? If not, why did the Harpers have their household disrupted for two years, invaded by investigators, psychiatrists, mediums? Because the Harpers went to the newspapers in the very beginning, sceptics argue this was a hoax. Did Maurice Grosse, the paranormal investigator, who had lost his young daughter Janet in a car accident only a year earlier, want to believe too easily in the paranormal? Was the Poltergeist activity caused by frustrations externalising? Some researchers believe that sexual frustration can aid the activity - such as Janet beginning menstruation and her mother going through the menopause? Was the recent divorce of Janet’s parents a contributing factor? Two years later, why did the activity mysteriously stop? It was also claimed that Mrs Harper was trying to get to the top of the housing queue as it was becoming quite common for council tenants to have created ‘haunted houses’ - however Mrs Harper refused to leave her home. It is widely believed that this case began with genuine phenomena, but soon turned to trickery. As the media demanded paranormal activity, eleven year old Janet and thirteen year old Rose, were not going to allow them to go away disappointed, and revelled in the attention.0 -
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6th wrote:It being 'too good to be true' isnt real a good arguement to doubt it though is it?
maybe not. Altho im not a regular poster here, i have a keen interest in the paranormal after a number of experiences i have had in life.
my point is tho that its a paranormalists wet dream to experience something as vivid of that! 0 -
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Anyway a book I'd reccommend to you would be 'Will Storr vs The Paranormal' ... come along to the next Paranormal Greet&Grub™ in Dublin and I'll even loan you my copy. He goes around america and the Uk talking to different people and even manages to get to visit someone from teh Enfirld house.0 -
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