ASBO generation

It has been recently announced that almost half of all ASBO's (Anti-Social Behaviour Order) have been breached and all attempts to crack down on this by the British Government has failed (more-or-less). "Yobs" are out of control

If you were in charge, what would you bring into practice to crack down on this?

I would make sure that all employers do not hire anyone who has an ASBO. This way they would know that if they act like that, then they have basically ruined their future.

Either that or I would instate a force in England called the "White and Pale" which would be made up of Ex-Army and IRA soldiers. It would be somewhat ironic.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Well their army is fighting in two war's with an understrenght army......

DRAFT THEM INTO THE MILITARY!.

tolosenc

Withdraw some pivilages from them once they get an ASBO, eg Social Welfare, NHS, Education.

That or take 'em out and shoot them.

Deleted User wrote:

Either that or I would instate a force in England called the "White and Pale" which would be made up of Ex-Army and IRA soldiers. It would be somewhat ironic.

Yes, somewhat.

Mossy Monk

send them all to Iraq for a fortnight

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mossy Monk wrote:

send them all to Iraq for a fortnight

For two weeks?.

Send them for the duration.

Mossy Monk

Mossy Monk wrote:

send them all to Iraq for a fortnight

With nothing more than a spatula and a tin of beans.

Mossy Monk

a fortnight should be enough to scare the **** out of them

lilrayosunshine

Withdrawing education is not the brightest idea!
they should have a cufew put on them that can be enforced using those ankle things. If they are old enough make them go to work at night as most anti social behaviour happens at night.

Naked Lepper

Deleted User wrote:

I would make sure that all employers do not hire anyone who has an ASBO. This way they would know that if they act like that, then they have basically ruined their future.

So organising a rave in the UK is seen as an asbo and according to the criminal justice act - a rave is 2 or more people gathered in one place listening to repedative beats

Do you think if a group of mates had a party with 'repedative beats' and the police shut them down and gave them an ASBO, they should not get jobs?

Get a grip of yourself.

monkeyfudge

So sending a bunch of antisocial scumbags over to Iraq will make the situation better for all concerned, right?

madhitchhiker

oh? How about retraining of the medical group who have gained expertise in helping them?:rolleyes: that could reach them out..i suppose.

PHB

I would make sure that all employers do not hire anyone who has an ASBO. This way they would know that if they act like that, then they have basically ruined their future.

After they could never ever get a job in a society, what would they do?

ASBO's are an absolute load of crap, put forth by middle-aged scared people who don't have a clue whats going on, and feel the best way to solve this is to arrest young people for no reason.

herbieflowers

I thought ASBOs donn't involve arrests, aren't they warning-type cautionary...things?!

Gaspode

What they need is some extra love really. They're just misunderstood children from tought backgrounds, and really we should be reaching out to them with a loving hand, as caring adults.

Then send the little turds to Iraq.

tolosenc

lilrayosunshine, I know that that wouldn't be a great idea, just an example of one of the infinite number of privilages that should be removed.

Steyr

Deleted User wrote:

Either that or I would instate a force in England called the "White and Pale" which would be made up of Ex-Army and IRA soldiers.

So i suppose the Real Army would love to work alongside terrorists? Not likely.

abelard

How about exile, or Clockwork Orange style reconditioning.

Seriously though ASBO's seem to be a bit ludicrous, especially when you look at some of the "less conventional uses" (such as an ASBO on a whole area). It just seems to be a method of furhter classifying and segregating society, and bringing a wide range of crime and disorder under one easily digestible title. They don't so anything to solve any of the social problems or rehabilitate offenders.

lilrayosunshine

obl wrote:

lilrayosunshine, I know that that wouldn't be a great idea, just an example of one of the infinite number of privilages that should be removed.

Surely making them do something would be more productive than taking things away!
If you take away education,.they'll never learn acceptable behaviour
If you take away social welfare you may increase theft

If you make them work on a farm (for example) for their social welfare.. they may cop on a bit quicker as they won't be so used to physical work!

pickarooney

Isn't there some program on Channel 5 helping to turn ASBO girls into beauty queens? If there's one thing society needs less of, it's beauty queens.

lilrayosunshine

pickarooney wrote:

Isn't there some program on Channel 5 helping to turn ASBO girls into beauty queens? If there's one thing society needs less of, it's beauty queens.

Ladette to Lady??
Isn't that just about normal everyday scummers being taught manners?

Mossy Monk

pickarooney wrote:

Isn't there some program on Channel 5 helping to turn ASBO girls into beauty queens? If there's one thing society needs less of, it's beauty queens.

ASBO Teen to Beauty Queen i believe it was called

edit: indeed it was here is an imdb page about it

DublinWriter

Deleted User wrote:

I would make sure that all employers do not hire anyone who has an ASBO. This way they would know that if they act like that, then they have basically ruined their future.

...so then everyone else has to pay their social welfare for the rest of their lives?

As an aside, it's funny how the British Labour government think that 'naming and shaming' fathers who don't pay parental money will help the problem. How feckin' middle-class is that? Oh yes, they'll be 'shamed' into paying the money, indeed they will. It will just be like ASBOs - worn as a badge of honour.

It may sound a little wanky of me to say, but I've been to Germany, France, Belgium and you don't have the same underclass/ASBO types there at all. Answers on a postcard please?

In the meantime - a US Marine style boot-camp...without the basic weapons training obviously!

mike65

Whats needed is investment and education, its very tempting to take the shortest route to satisfaction - Lock em up, but they'll come back out far worse, ASBO is just a cheap way of "locking them up", it does'nt solve anything. Give the little runts something to look forwards to and they could shock thier parents by outstriping them for ambition in a few years.

"Jasus Da, you're still in the sack at 11? Get up and get dowm the job centre, I'm not paying taxes for you to sit around all day!"

Mike.

slipss

Deleted User wrote:

It has been recently announced that almost half of all ASBO's (Anti-Social Behaviour Order) have been breached and all attempts to crack down on this by the British Government has failed (more-or-less). "Yobs" are out of control

If you were in charge, what would you bring into practice to crack down on this?

I would make sure that all employers do not hire anyone who has an ASBO. This way they would know that if they act like that, then they have basically ruined their future.

Either that or I would instate a force in England called the "White and Pale" which would be made up of Ex-Army and IRA soldiers. It would be somewhat ironic.

Well thank god you're not in charge so, you would prevent anyone from gaining employment if they get an ASBO? Thats a marvelous idea, so if a 13 year old writes there name on a bus shelter or tells somebody to fukk off then they should be encouraged to behave better by being told they now have no chance of getting a job in the future. Genius.

Max_Damage

Deleted User wrote:

If you were in charge, what would you bring into practice to crack down on this?

Zyklon B.

I have no problem sending them off to war. Boot camp, the whole lot. They have very little (if any) self respect/respect for the community they're in, so the army would kick a bit of reponsibility into them.
Anyway, a lot of european countries have it so you have to do your time in the army, or (I think) twice as long in the civil service.
But something will have to change. I personally feel society and our morals are going down the drain..

My 2c

LundiMardi

military sounds like a perfect idea to be honest.

dreamerbeliever

The answers not in the punishment. Creating an environment that discourages kids from acting the **** is the only answer.

LundiMardi

dreamerbeliever wrote:

The answers not in the punishment. Creating an environment that discourages kids from acting the **** is the only answer.

you certainly are a dreamer believer

jrey1981

hug a hoodie as Dave Cameron says....

Or...they need tough love, discipline and the chance to find fulfilling work to make a life for themselves....which all takes time, dedicated people and money too.

Withdrawing education wouldn't make a bit of difference if they're only concerned about the present and not thinking about their future anyway

My parents would suggest national service, which some European companies still have

arybvtcw0eolkf

I still maintain a DRAFT will work.

Its tough, its f00king 'orrible...

But it takes the yob off the street for 6-18 months. Build him/her a sense of self respect and respect for other's sharing their environment.

From everything I've read from the UK (when it was active in the 50's & 60's) it certainly worked.

jimmycrackcorm

Boot Camp!

LiamD

So here's a bit of a vaguely related rant. I'm working at Funderland in the RDS at the moment to get money to pay off the card and get drinking money for when college restarts and I'm getting really p!ssed off with these yobs and dare I say it, members of the travelling community. I'm working on one of the rides and my job is to take tickets and close the bars. Simple enough, can't go far wrong with that.

So why do these people think I just won't notice when they slap my hand and not actually give me a ticket?? Do they think they're so clever that this ingenious ploy to not give me their ticket will work?? Some of them even have the cheek to argue their case - "Oi gay-iv ih too ya mis-thor". So I count the tickets in front of their eyes to prove they clearly didnt give it to me and they're all there nodding at each other and smiling as if their failed scam is actually some good work. Seriously, I can't believe these people actually think they're so big and clever they can just get away with sh!t like this.

Zebra3

Firstly, what is an ASBO?

An Anti-Social Behaviour Order.

Secondly how the fck do you define anti-social behaviour? Listening to loud music? Your neighbours hearing you going at it through wafer thin walls? Cheating on your partner? Closing down a factory?

All these things can be classed as anti-social behaviour, but the whole point of ASBO's is to make politicans look tough on crime. It's like putting up CCTV cameras everywhere. It's a cheap quick "fix" solutions for politicans instead of actually policing working class areas properly. But hey, that option is too expensive. :rolleyes:

It was in the Guardian recently that anti-hunting activists in Britain had been secretly fliming upper class scum breaking Britain's anti-hunting laws and that they were hoping that ASBO's would be brought against the "elite" of England's countryside.

Please, please, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

custardcreams

i would video them going down to harneys pub. I c you could have just rolled over into a ball i could have trampled on ..since it was the way of the cows. That worn path behind our houses in this fair country and yet you fail.

dK1NG

Mairt wrote:

Well their army is fighting in two war's with an understrenght army......

DRAFT THEM INTO THE MILITARY!.

DublinWriter wrote:

In the meantime - a US Marine style boot-camp...without the basic weapons training obviously!

Enda Kenny suggested something similar and got slated over it - McDowell said something along the lines of, 'make them fitter, stronger etc etc then release them back to wreck even more havoc on society'

personally tho, I'd agree with sending them to military camps to learn some discipline!

Deleted User wrote:

If you were in charge, what would you bring into practice to crack down on this?

I would make sure that all employers do not hire anyone who has an ASBO. This way they would know that if they act like that, then they have basically ruined their future.

Naked Lepper wrote:

So organising a rave in the UK is seen as an asbo and according to the criminal justice act - a rave is 2 or more people gathered in one place listening to repedative beats

Do you think if a group of mates had a party with 'repedative beats' and the police shut them down and gave them an ASBO, they should not get jobs?

Get a grip of yourself.

and what about the person who got an ASBO for singing 'Do they know its christmas' over and over.........
Or the woman who got ASBOed for answering the door in her underwear.....

PHB wrote:

After they could never ever get a job in a society, what would they do?

ASBO's are an absolute load of crap, put forth by middle-aged scared people who don't have a clue whats going on, and feel the best way to solve this is to arrest young people for no reason.

As one Labour MP so eloquently stated, those who oppose ASBOs are:
“Guardian-reading, middle class **** who make a good living from being awkward and don’t have to live in the blighted areas”.

jrey1981 wrote:

Or...they need tough love, discipline and the chance to find fulfilling work to make a life for themselves....which all takes time, dedicated people and money too.

mike65 wrote:

Whats needed is investment and education, its very tempting to take the shortest route to satisfaction - Lock em up, but they'll come back out far worse, ASBO is just a cheap way of "locking them up", it does'nt solve anything.
...
"Jasus Da, you're still in the sack at 11? Get up and get dowm the job centre, I'm not paying taxes for you to sit around all day!"

too true, but Bertie, McDowell and co. wont get any political kudos in this election year by adopting a long-term outlook - so they'll just adopt the short-term quick "fix"

humanji

Battle Royale, FTW!!!

dK1NG

Another tread on ASBOs:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=52583108#post52583108

Sleepy

I'm all for 12 months compulsory national service for everyone: male or female; scumbag or not. It'd help teach our youth discipline, tackle our obesity problems, improve people's sense of self respect, make our neutrality genuine, reduce college drop-out rates (by forcing a gap year before starting third level and letting people figure out what they actually want to do with their lives), reduce crime rates (both in the short and long-term).

What's to lose?