He's got an exit wound - wtf?

Random

Ok, so you see in all these police shows and films a medic roaring out "He's got an exit wound!".

What the hell is the significance of this? What does that mean? (in laymans terms!)

Crucifix

An exit wound is the wound where a bullet exits the body.

TerrorFirmer

Would that not have seemed obvious to you, ciaranfo?

Random

HavoK wrote:

Would that not have seemed obvious to you, ciaranfo?

Shad up before I beat you!

I mean what's the significance? Is it good? Is it bad? Why the hell would they roar it out so loudly?

simu

ciaranfo wrote:

Shad up before I beat you!

I mean what's the significance? Is it good? Is it bad? Why the hell would they roar it out so loudly?

IT SOUNDS IMPRESSIVE, OK? DON'T QUESTION TV!

Sam Vimes

i suppose it gives an idea of the trajectory of the bullet, what direction the person was shot from. also, they tend to be very messy so they're good to mention on tv

TerrorFirmer

It's good - if you could call such a situation where somebody actually has an exit wound just that. Not so much good as better then there not being an exit wound. Otherwise, the bullet would be lodged somewhere in the body.

Caliden

its good as long as it doesnt exit through your liver. thank you prison break.

Random

I guess this is true enough ...I just wondered.

Cheers

Stark

Exit wounds are generally larger than exit wounds so there could be more risk of signifigant blood loss. On the other hand, exit wounds are easier to treat as the bullet has already left the body and there's generally less residue. Also, if the bullet left the body, then it didn't get to impart all its energy into the body which it would have done if it had lodged in the body.

TheBlock

Or Bad in that they are bleeding from two wounds now.....Maybe more arteries/veins severed.

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Random

TheBlock wrote:

Or Bad in that they are bleeding from two wounds now.....Maybe more arteries/veins severed.

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Joy, I is confused again

Rhyme

Also if there is no exit wound in vital areas (chest, abdomen etc) there is a higher chance of the bullet sitting somewhere that it might kill the person.

me and the biz

If it didn't exit it could travel up to the heart and block it causing a heart attack

(Saw it in ER)

robinph

TheBlock wrote:

Or Bad in that they are bleeding from two wounds now.....Maybe more arteries/veins severed.

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Or good that they are not now bleeding internally.

Dave!

It's because if the bullet doesn't exit, then it stays in the body, and once metal is exposed to the acid within your stomach for example, for too long, it becomes very volatile, and has a tendency to explode. This isn't going to hurt anyone around you or anything! But the little shards of metal are then likely to damage other organs which they hit, rather than just the (hopefully) one that it "goes it and out" (cop term ) of.

Thus, an exit wound is a good thing *ahem*

TheBlock

robinph wrote:

Or good that they are not now bleeding internally.

Surely they could be bleeding internally as well? The bullet went through them?

robinph

TheBlock wrote:

Surely they could be bleeding internally as well? The bullet went through them?

But they now have two holes to drain you from, one of them will need significantly more stitches though when they get round to the patching you back up again.

chamlis

Exit wounds can be explosive.
I wouldn't want a hole the size of a Terry's Chocolate Orange in my back tbh.
Or anywhere really....

Thrill

When a bullet exits the body doctors can tell from the trajectory what arteries or organs it may have damaged and can treat the victim immediately based on this information. If, on the other hand, the bullet does not exit, the doctors cannot tell immediately which direction the bullet went once it entered the body, they have no way of knowing how badly the person is injured internally and cannot start treating the victim properly until he/she has gotten to the hospital.

And then they have to open the person up to find the bullet.

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arybvtcw0eolkf

DaveMcG wrote:

It's because if the bullet doesn't exit, then it stays in the body, and once metal is exposed to the acid within your stomach for example, for too long, it becomes very volatile, and has a tendency to explode. This isn't going to hurt anyone around you or anything! But the little shards of metal are then likely to damage other organs which they hit, rather than just the (hopefully) one that it "goes it and out" (cop term ) of.

Thus, an exit wound is a good thing *ahem*

Bullets don't explode!.

As regards the importance of the exit wound, damned if I know TBH.

I recently done a medic's course (I'm in the defence forces) and was never told anything about the significance of an exit would.

aidan24326

People here seem to be under the impression that an exit wound is a good thing? I'm not so sure. The exit wound of a bullet is always much more severe than the entry wound, and it implies a high velocity bullet which will have caused extensive damage. Though it depends on the type of bullet, type of gun etc.

Nevyn

Some bullets do explode, infact they are desgined to do so.
They go in like a peanut and out like a pietray.
Ie a 22 to 35 mil entry wound and a 4 to 6 inch exit wound.

The reason that it is important to note that there is an exist wound is that

a) if it is not huge and apprently so then the bullet did not break up on impact or the head of the bullet and shred the persons insides on the way out,

b) if the exit wound is small then the bullet stayed intact while it passed through the body and caused less damage then if it had fractured.

c) if there is not a exit wound then the bullet stayed in the body bouncing about causing a lot of damage and may be lodged in a vital area and moving the person around can cause more damage or dislodge the bullet causing them to bleed out.

d) if there is not an exit wound then the person has a metal bullet in them and there are certain medical proceedures that can not be preformed while it is lodged in them like an MRI scan.

The hand over between emt and admiting Dr has to be clear and presise esp the vital info that can effect the first 5 to 10 mins of the person hitting the ER and thier survival rate.

Hagar

Thaed, get yourself over to the Military Forum and stop pffaffing about with PI.

Stark

DaveMcG wrote:

Thus, an exit wound is a good thing *ahem*

Damnit; now I want one.

tovalee

Perhaps it is like when you punch a hole in the top of a tin. one hole and the liquid inside just trickles out , but poke another hole and it gushes. not sure if human squishiness works the same way as a tin of liquid, but who knows?

Nevyn

Hagar wrote:

Thaed, get yourself over to the Military Forum and stop pffaffing about with PI.

Love you too Hagar and glad to see you back.

Hagar

Thanks, glad to be back.
It's hard to find a girl with an interest in forensic ballistics.
You're one of a kind.:D

Nevyn

Why thank you, I'd offer to talk dirty about antipersonal mines and traps but your mrs might complain

Steyr

Commander Vimes wrote:

i suppose it gives an idea of the trajectory of the bullet, what direction the person was shot from.

If a bullet goes through you it will either go clean through or get lodged inside you or literally bounce around inside you as is what happened JFK i think it entered through his torso and exited at his leg? I do know that when a bullet goes through you it will have a small entry point ( its diameter such as 9mm 7.62mm 5.56mm ) and a big exit point as the bullet is going faster than the speed of sound it creates a shockwave around it like a cone.



you get the idea i hope.

il gatto

Depending on the velocity, caliber and structure of the projectile, the exit wound can be good and bad. for example, a small caliber, high powered bullet, with a full metal jacket, should pass straight through soft tissue relatively intact. This may be good ( if you're lucky), as the bullet has left the body, and entry and exit wounds are small(ish).
However, a large bullet, with a tendency to fragment(be that dum dum, polymer, holow point or whatever) travelling at a lower velocity, tends to punch a much bigger hole.
What happens when a bullet hits a body, is that the flesh aound and before the bullet, becomes liquidised by the force and shockwave (as mentioned by Steyr). This pulped material is then forced through and punches a much bigger hole on exiting the body. The result is a huge bloody hole which needs immediate medical attention to stop you bleeding to death.
In the Zulu wars, the British found that their Martini Henry rifle bullets, passed straight through Zulu warriors who were attacking them. They started using the Webley pistol, which had a much lower muzzle velocity, but fired a massive bullet. Being shot with a Webley was apparently like being hit by a bus, as the slower moving bullet actually flattened its target. Difference between a speedy slap to the face and a big punch, I suppose. So high powered does not necessarily mean most lethal.
Moral of the story is, don't get yourself shot to find out

arybvtcw0eolkf

Thaedydal wrote:

Some bullets do explode, infact they are desgined to do so.
They go in like a peanut and out like a pietray.
Ie a 22 to 35 mil entry wound and a 4 to 6 inch exit wound.

Bullets (smallarms' ball ammo less then .50mm) fragment, they don't explode, there's a difference.

I've witnessed both a devastating exit wound from a .50mm & a 7.62mm(Haddatha, Lebanon 1989) and tiny exit wounds made by 5.56mm (UNISOM & UNIFIL).

Also, a .22 is very unlikely to cause an exit wound. Even in IDF service, its primarily (in comparision to a nato rd) a low volocity rd. The IDF use the Ruger 10.22 with a full suppressed barrel as a sniper weapon for ranges less than 100mtrs.

But lets face it guys. No matter if you've got an exit wound or not your looking at an immediate medi-vac from the combat zone. And one won't be given preference over the other.

arybvtcw0eolkf

il gatto wrote:

In the Zulu wars, the British found that their Martini Henry rifle bullets, passed straight through Zulu warriors who were attacking them. They started using the Webley pistol, which had a much lower muzzle velocity, but fired a massive bullet. Being shot with a Webley was apparently like being hit by a bus, as the slower moving bullet actually flattened its target. Difference between a speedy slap to the face and a big punch, I suppose. So high powered does not necessarily mean most lethal.
Moral of the story is, don't get yourself shot to find out

So what happened in the Falklands when the British SAS discovered their new NATO standard round, the 5.56mm had almost no stopping power compared to its larger counterpart used by the Para's etc the 7.62mm (FN FAL).

wow sierra

After many many many hours wasted/spent watching CSI etc I missed all the points ye are making. I thought the only reason they cared about exit wounds was if there was one the bullet had exited the body so they had to look for it to find out what kind it was to trace the gun - no exit wound then they would be looking for it in the body.

Oh and of course the exit and entry wound would tell where the person was shot from. I love all the time they spend on reinactments and Crime Scene Investigation on CSI - they must really have a lot of cops there in proportion to the crime rate!!!!!

il gatto

Mairt wrote:

So what happened in the Falklands when the British SAS discovered their new NATO standard round, the 5.56mm had almost no stopping power compared to its larger counterpart used by the Para's etc the 7.62mm (FN FAL).

At a guess, and I've no proof, I'd say they may have tampered with the bullets. Putting a nick in the point makes them fragment, whizzing around in the body and causing severe wounds. They call those bullets dum dums, and one of the unnamed Para's who took part in the Bloody Sunday shootings said (at the latest inquiry) they were issued with extra ammunition which they "modified" en route to Derry.
Like I say, it's a possibility. It's illegal under the Geneva convention, which tightly regulates what type of ammunition is allowed.

Black Swan

Did they hang entry and exit signs?:rolleyes:

Degsy

DaveMcG wrote:

It's because if the bullet doesn't exit, then it stays in the body, and once metal is exposed to the acid within your stomach for example, for too long, it becomes very volatile, and has a tendency to explode. This isn't going to hurt anyone around you or anything! But the little shards of metal are then likely to damage other organs which they hit, rather than just the (hopefully) one that it "goes it and out" (cop term ) of.

Thus, an exit wound is a good thing *ahem*

That my friend is absolute rubbish of the highest order.Bullets are made of lead usually with a nickel or copper jacketing.They dont react with stomach acid because lead is unnafected by stomach acid.They also do not become unstable and "liable to explode".,it is an impossibility that an inert metal can become an unstable explosive by the action of stomach acid.

Dooom

Mairt wrote:

Bullets don't explode!

What about HE rounds?
Hollowtip rounds will break apart and fragment on impact, spraying little bits all in your body about the place. Not technically exploding, but close enough.

Mairt wrote:

So what happened in the Falklands when the British SAS discovered their new NATO standard round, the 5.56mm had almost no stopping power compared to its larger counterpart used by the Para's etc the 7.62mm (FN FAL).

That wasn't the incident where they were using the green-tips was it? IIrc (not sure if it was the same), the bullets' velocity was too high, so when it hit a target, it would pass straight through at such speed that the target wouldn't really even feel it. Albeit unless it hit the heart or some other vital organ obviously.

That last bit there could be complete bs, but it springs to mind. I'll go off and see what I can find.

FlutterinBantam

The big difference is that an entry wound is nice and neat,relatively easy to treat and suture ,whereas an exit wound tends to be jagged and much bigger due to some projectile deformation.

Stick a nail in an out thru a Coke can and compare the result both sides and it will give you a small idea of the difference

chamlis

Depleted Uranium flechettes anyone?

I'm surprised no one has started on about them yet.

Degsy

chamlis wrote:

Depleted Uranium flechettes anyone?

I'm surprised no one has started on about them yet.

You mean depleted uranium sub-munitions?A flechette is a small dart-like projectile what wont penetrate no tank nowheres!

Dooom

Depleted uranium slugs ftw.

Flechette's won't penetrate no tank, but they'll mince a person fairly lively.

Degsy

Spike wrote:

Depleted uranium slugs ftw.

Flechette's won't penetrate no tank, but they'll mince a person fairly lively.

Loaded into a shell and set the fuze to airburst,flechettes are a beautifull of way of dealing with infantry.Most of the enemy wont be killed either,just greviously wounded so thier comrades have to listen to them screaming and have to carry them around whilst being harrased by the enemy.Mines have a wonderfully similar psychological effect on morale too.

Peteee

Mairt wrote:

So what happened in the Falklands when the British SAS discovered their new NATO standard round, the 5.56mm had almost no stopping power compared to its larger counterpart used by the Para's etc the 7.62mm (FN FAL).

I've heard some people in Iraq still use thier .45 over the 9mm Beretta due to its better stopping power.

Steyr

Mairt wrote:

So what happened in the Falklands when the British SAS discovered their new NATO standard round, the 5.56mm had almost no stopping power compared to its larger counterpart used by the Para's etc the 7.62mm (FN FAL).

5.56MM Is also the standard NATO round used by the Irish Military in the Steyr AUG, Oh i wish we didnt get rid of the 7.62MM FN...Powerful weapon...but then again i love firing the Bren/GPMG 7.62MM.

Degsy

Steyr wrote:

5.56MM Is also the standard NATO round used by the Irish Military in the Steyr AUG, Oh i wish we didnt get rid of the 7.62MM FN...Powerful weapon...but then again i love firing the Bren/GPMG 7.62MM.

thats a woman's gun..browning.50 BMG...bring it ON muthaf uckahs!:D

Cake Fiend

Spike wrote:

Hollowtip rounds will break apart and fragment on impact, spraying little bits all in your body about the place

This won't be caused by stomach acid.

MrPudding

Degsy wrote:

You mean depleted uranium sub-munitions?A flechette is a small dart-like projectile what wont penetrate no tank nowheres!

Anti-tank APFSDS are kind of like flechettes, just really really big ones.:D

Check out this bad boy:

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Sniper/Steyr_AMR.htm

I would not like to take a hit from this

MrP

peasant

I'm old fashined, me ...

Give me one of these, that'll stop anything.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg08-e.htm

Dooom

Cake Fiend wrote:

This won't be caused by stomach acid.

Er yeah, I know. I did say they break apart on impact. Where'd I say anything about stomach acids...?

Hagar

I saw a movie years ago and this guy in it ratted out someone in the Mafia so they made an example of him. The stuck a 22 auto loaded with low velocity ammo into his anus and shot upwards several times and threw him still alive into a dumpster. No entry wound, no exit wound, horrible internal injuries. All in all a severe pain in the arse.