UCLA Student gets tazered

ro2

He won't forget his library card next time.

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

Video (22MB)

UCLA TV Report

phantom_lord

poor guy, thats not nice to watch.

The students who were interviewed in the report don't seem the brightest...

Black Swan

Shocking!

Rb

What a sick abuse of their powers, at least the whole ordeal was caught on camera and there were plenty of witnesses about.

Not a nice watch at all, can imagine how difficult it would have been to stand there watching the poor guy getting abused like that and not being able to do anything.

Unbelivable how they give these potentially lethal weapons to retards who don't even know their capabilities, then again, it is America.

Dyr

tbh he deserves the tazing for screaming his head off at the start, what a drama queen.

Dave!

What a wuss......

Anti

I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION.......lol

MrJoeSoap

Thats highly disturbing stuff.

Goldfinger

Bambi wrote:

tbh he deserves the tazing for screaming his head off at the start, what a drama queen.

From what I can tell he's screaming at the start of the tape because they're tazing him....

county

you gotta love the yanks,so gun-ho

Karl Hungus

That's ****ing terrible. They might as well have broken out the tear gas ffs.

biko

Seems excessive all right.

But which part of "stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" didn't he get?

Karl Hungus

biko wrote:

But which part of "stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" didn't he get?

The electrical discharge of a tazer disrupts your motor functions, he physically wouldn't be able to stand up. The gob****e with the tazer should know that they're used to imobilize people. :rolleyes:

godtabh

I couldnt see your man who was getting but going by his
Mostafa Tabatabainejad he was of middel east origin and looks like he was singelled out. Pricks!

How long does it take to recover from something like that? After to first shock his voice seemed like nothing happened but after the second one you could hear in his voice that he was struggeling.

I wonder what will happen to the "cops" if anything

DemonOfTheFall

In Soviet Russia, Police Attack You!

Kintarō Hattori

In fairness we didn't see the beginning of the incident but looking at that it does look like a gross mishandling of the situation by the police. They repeatedly ordered him to stand up or he'd be tazered and in the end you can see two cops just carried him off anyway.
Why insist he stand up and when he couldn't tazer him repeatedly only to carry him away in the end?

seamus

Ah, the American tax dollars at work. "Assume everyone's a terrorist until they kill themselves in the line of duty". Has vague similarities to Salem...

A bunch of students should have jumped the two guys, "peace officers" or otherwise, or at the very least attempted to remove the tasers from their hands. If they were the type of tasers which shoot the bolts (as opposed to the type you press against someone), then there's no way the officers could have turned around and use them on anyone, as they have arrowhead spikes which specifically embed and latch onto the skin.

There's no such thing as a non-lethal weapon, any any weapon should be the very last line of defence. If they had to drag him out of there by his ankles, it would have been a more appropriate response.

The Real B-man

America tbh

johnnyrotten

Stand Up For Fu€k$ Sake

MrJoeSoap

johnnyrotten wrote:

Stand Up For Fu€k$ Sake

Shall we taser you and ask you to stand up?

johnnyrotten

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Shall we taser you and ask you to stand up?

You would'nt reach me from there.:rolleyes:

Smellyirishman

seamus wrote:

A bunch of students should have jumped the two guys, "peace officers" or otherwise, or at the very least attempted to remove the tasers from their hands.

That probably would have escalated the situation and given the officers reason for assault, I think they were doing enough by asking the guards to stop and by asking for the officers badge (which was ironically meet by "back off or you will get tazed).

Seamus wrote:

If they were the type of tasers which shoot the bolts (as opposed to the type you press against someone), then there's no way the officers could have turned around and use them on anyone, as they have arrowhead spikes which specifically embed and latch onto the skin.

Article wrote:

The officers used the "drive stun" setting in the Taser, which delivers a shock to a specific part of the body with the front of the Taser, Young said.

eo980 wrote:

In fairness we didn't see the beginning of the incident but looking at that it does look like a gross mishandling of the situation by the police.

Exactly, it's hard to judge exactly how "mishandled" the situation was when we don't see how it began. I doubt he said "OK, I will leave" and then they just started tazing him. The report say's he was leaving, then a guard took him by the arm, he shouted, cue escalation. Certainly an abuse of power by the end of the footage.

biko wrote:

But which part of "stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" didn't he get?

Article wrote:

But according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so.

the_syco

biko wrote:

Seems excessive all right.

But which part of "stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up, stand up" didn't he get?

Proberly the part that a 3 second shock will disable you for moving for up to 15 minutes...!

Hope the rent-a-cops get sacked.

biko

Yeah, I guess you're tired after repeated muscle spasms. I wonder if these sec guys ever was tasered themselves. Some cops do it to see what it's like for themselves.

pvt. joker

Let's clarify a few things:

#1: the "student" did not have an ID card. It's policy that you need ID to be in the library after hours. Student workers called campus police (who have the same authority as the LAPD)

#2: standard police tactics include first using verbal commands. If person does not respond, you up the level to pain compliance (taser, mace, pepper spray). This kid was asked to get up more than a few times, he refused and was tased.

#3: Tasing stuns you momentarily. It does not paralyze you. There's videos on youtube of police officers getting tased (in order to use a taser you have to be tased yourself). It's a split second jolt to knock you down. It's not pleasant for the millisecond, but it does not last past that time.

#4: the suspect was verbally and physically combative. The police tried to reason with him, he refused multiple times and was tased. I forwarded the video to 3 friends who are police officers and all three agreed that's the same thing that they would have done and it's what they're taught to do. Especially when dealing with a combative person.

Illkillya

pvt. joker wrote:

Let's clarify a few things:

#1: the "student" did not have an ID card. It's policy that you need ID to be in the library after hours. Student workers called campus police (who have the same authority as the LAPD)

#2: standard police tactics include first using verbal commands. If person does not respond, you up the level to pain compliance (taser, mace, pepper spray). This kid was asked to get up more than a few times, he refused and was tased.

#3: Tasing stuns you momentarily. It does not paralyze you. There's videos on youtube of police officers getting tased (in order to use a taser you have to be tased yourself). It's a split second jolt to knock you down. It's not pleasant for the millisecond, but it does not last past that time.

#4: the suspect was verbally and physically combative. The police tried to reason with him, he refused multiple times and was tased. I forwarded the video to 3 friends who are police officers and all three agreed that's the same thing that they would have done and it's what they're taught to do. Especially when dealing with a combative person.

Sounds like youre garda friends are just appeasing you. Police are dealing with kids like this every second of the day, and there is a correct way of approaching it. If you don't see whats wrong with the actions of the police in this video then you need to educate yourself better.

Rb

Illkillya wrote:

Sounds like youre garda friends are just appeasing you. Police are dealing with kids like this every second of the day, and there is a correct way of approaching it. If you don't see whats wrong with the actions of the police in this video then you need to educate yourself better.

Agree 100%.

Oh, and his friends aren't Gardaí...they're American Cops...

Illkillya

rb_ie wrote:

Agree 100%.

Oh, and his friends aren't Gardaí...they're American Cops...

That explains it

pvt. joker

Illkillya wrote:

Sounds like youre garda friends are just appeasing you. Police are dealing with kids like this every second of the day, and there is a correct way of approaching it. If you don't see whats wrong with the actions of the police in this video then you need to educate yourself better.

he was trespassing and refused to either produce proper ID or leave. he wasn't walking out as people have described. he was refusing to leave, becoming vocal and beligerent. it's police academy 101 and escalation of authority

Rb

pvt. joker wrote:

he wasn't walking out as people have described.

Oh you were there were you? I think I'll believe the witnesses for now, thanks.

pvt. joker

rb_ie wrote:

Oh you were there were you? I think I'll believe the witnesses for now, thanks.

there's multiple blogs out there right now that say he was never walking towards the door. with the amount of bull**** the cops go through today with assinine lawsuits they're not going to tase someone calmly walking towards the door. This is how internet falacies are born.

He could have said "gee, i don't have an id i left it at home" and got up and left like any average person would do. he didn't, instead he chose to be a rebel and got tased for it. Now all of the sudden the US is a "police state". This whole ****ing thing is laughable

iFight

Seems a bit unnecessary, he did say hed leave

Rb

pvt. joker wrote:

there's multiple blogs out there right now that say he was never walking towards the door.

Oh, so you won't believe what you hear witnesses say on the news or other media, but you will believe what you read in a blog?LOL.

pvt.joker wrote:

This whole ****ing thing is laughable

Theres nothing funny about it. In any reports or interviews so far, the police have come across as trying to find any excuse they could to abuse their powers. One was "We didn't know if he was armed or not" or something along those lines, f*cking retards as far as I'm concerned.

The police abused their powers and used absolutely excessive and unnecessary force. Then the retards turned around and told someone who asked for their badge numbers that they'd be tased next!LOL!And you can stand by and defend that behaviour? Jesus, you're either friends with a good few cops and feel some need to defend them, a cop yourself (again, having to defend them), or plain ignorant.

bean

LAPD are notoriously heavy handed. Thats the general concenus here inthe States.

If that happened in my college the student may have had student lab rights taken away or been expelled. If the police were called he may have been dragged out.

But FFS tazered! Then telling them to stand up when all your muscles are spasming and you are in agony.

mloc

just poor police training really. its too simple. 'we asked him he didnt move, so we shocked the fcker and dragged him out. '

sure why didnt they just shoot him and then they wouldnt have to worry about lawsuits.

mang87

datz pretty sukz, g

Thrill

He was asked for his id. he didnt have it.
He was then asked to leave. He refused.
He was asked a few more times to leave, refusing each time.
The police were called and they asked him to leave. He refused so he got a tazering.
Wtf was his problem? He should have left when he was told to. He was given plenty of time to do so.
And what was with the "heres your patriot act.." rubbish.
Sounded like a drama queen tbh.

L31mr0d

pvt. joker wrote:

Let's clarify a few things:

#1: the "student" did not have an ID card. It's policy that you need ID to be in the library after hours. Student workers called campus police (who have the same authority as the LAPD)

#2: standard police tactics include first using verbal commands. If person does not respond, you up the level to pain compliance (taser, mace, pepper spray). This kid was asked to get up more than a few times, he refused and was tased.

#3: Tasing stuns you momentarily. It does not paralyze you. There's videos on youtube of police officers getting tased (in order to use a taser you have to be tased yourself). It's a split second jolt to knock you down. It's not pleasant for the millisecond, but it does not last past that time.

#4: the suspect was verbally and physically combative. The police tried to reason with him, he refused multiple times and was tased. I forwarded the video to 3 friends who are police officers and all three agreed that's the same thing that they would have done and it's what they're taught to do. Especially when dealing with a combative person.

I completely agree. I doubt the LAPD have an easy time of it atm in America, and I doubt we can comment on the pressures they must be under. The guy was being confrontational and uncooperative, he was given plenty of opportunities to leave and was, breaking the law.

If the guy had trespassed onto private property and was resisting removal by the police resulting in him being tasered we'd all be singing a different song, but because he's a student trespassing in a library we seem to have problems with it.

Zillah

He was a melodramatic moron looking to make a scene. He started screaming about the patriot act and abuse of power. Bloody drama queen.

Although I don't understand why they kept tasering him instead of just dragging him out of there.

"I said I'd leave!!!" Uh, then get up and go you ass. Read the article, the taser was set to a setting that essentially meant "Cause horrible pain and nothing else." He wasn't paralysed.

KamiKazi

imho, those cops should not only be sacked, but charged with assault.

im not saying i know exactly what happened, maybe the first taser was the right thing for the cops to do. but to demand him to stand up or be tasered....

cops should be trained to know that a shock of 3-5 seconds can immobilize for up to 15 minutes, they should have known better. anyone that is given a weapon and authority should know exactly the effects of said weapon in all situations.

as for threatening to taser others when asked for badge numbers...

those cops should be locked up for a long time.

Heisenberg.

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MrJoeSoap

The Scientist wrote:

Not really. Viewer discretion advised? eh, i doubt it. I was hoping to see this guy wriggle and squirm. Pretty dull video tbh.

T.Sc.

Think they meant "shocking" in the "he got shocked" sense of the word.

Sparky

I wonder does the fact his name is Mostafa Tabatabainejad and he doesn't look like your standard american have anything to do with this?

Btw, he's suing them!
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39009

This lad, well has some view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1sZoqPRwg&mode=related&search=

Rb

Sparky-s wrote:

I wonder does the fact his name is Mostafa Tabatabainejad and he doesn't look like your standard american have anything to do with this?

Btw, he's suing them!
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39009

Thats great news, hopefully its a successful lawsuit.

Sparky-s wrote:

This lad, well has some view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1sZoqPRwg&mode=related&search=

Whoa!

MrJoeSoap

Sparky-s wrote:

This lad, well has some view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1sZoqPRwg&mode=related&search=

Wow, strong views.

Dyr

Zillah wrote:

Although I don't understand why they kept tasering him instead of just dragging him out of there.

oddly enough i think its because, thanks to the good oul ACLU etc, people had a habit of suing cops for excessive force when they physically restrain/remove them so the cops came up with the tazer as a measurable way to deal with noncompliance.

Maybe they should have tazered the p**k in the face, might have paralysed his mouth while leaving him the use of his legs

mloc

can you imagine if that happened in UCD or another irish college? There would probably be riots.