Pete Doherty whats going on?

Andystoran

Iv been noticing over the last couple of years that Pete Doherty has developed this icon status. Il have to put it down to his drug habit and that pathetic(Feel sorry for me) look on his face. Kate Moss has taken him under her wing as her little recovery project and thinks she can Fix this guy. This guy has annoyed me since the first time i saw hiw face.
I watched a list of the 100 greatest albums ever made and the Libertines came in at number 50!!!!!
HoW?????
No really How?
There were so many bands that didnt even make the top 100, when the Libertines came on i felt sick to the pit of my stomach.
Music journalists talk about them like they have creted there own genre of music and make them out to be revolutionary.
Im completely lost here because i just saw this average guitar band with a well publicised crack addict.
As for Babyshamles, problem with them is they believe they are this special talent. Iv heard the interviews, hilarious!!
Im sick of watching these fans screaming for this stuff.
anybdy with me or are yee all in Petes possey?

MrJoeSoap

One word. Four Letters.

Hype.

Baggio...

MrJoeSoap wrote:

One word. Four Letters.

Hype.

Hmm... I was actually thinking of another word.;)

Heroin

its simple . pete is filling a gap left since the 80s , or early 90`s. theres no rock n roll in rock n roll anymore! wheres the sex and drugs? wheres the outrage? boybands and girlbands are starting to dominate the charts , and **** pop! pete is bringing the essence of rock with him. ive heard aload of people ,like the author of this post , say they hate him , but for what reason? i suppose you could sit there and watch big brother , or x-facter , but you cant stand pete for some reason. we need more rock n roll attitude in rock and punk.

and also , dont pay attention to that 100 greatest albums , your not gonna have heard em all , so u cant decide,. there is no greatest album! OK computer may have gotten a majority , but its certainly not the "greatest" , (think of it like like most Governments) and the reason the libertines are at 50 is because they brought proper guitar music and , again , the rock image to the charts again , like oasis before them brining proper guitar music to number 1.

Elton John is one of the best musicians today. he plays good , interesting music. and remember live 8? who sang with him , Pete Doherty. thats gotta say something.

and dont start ****tin on about " i like pete cuz of the drugs , hence my name , blah blah"
my name - John Frusciante song -Heroin.

telecaster_dub

he is a muppet and muck and should be pulled outside an shot with a ball of his own ****

he does drugs all time and even on tape shooting into a girls arm and still didnt get locked up ???

dirty ****

Heroin

he took blood actually.for his blood paintings. dont believe what you read in the papers. every artist is unusual and uses unusual methods.

Hendrix , Mcartney , Lennon , Black Sabbath , Led Zeppelin , Janis Joplin and many many other more great bands , all have on thing in common . they did drugs. but no one bitches about them. you all like them right?

and in response the MrJoesoap`s comment , Hype is the word used to describe the Arctic Monkeys. thats all they are. they are a balloon filled with hype keeping them going , just wait till its gone tho , every 1 will finally realise they are nothing like what people say they are. i seen em at ****** , the crowd went mad , but not because of what the band done or anything , but because its "the thing to do " its not cool to like the Arctic Monkeys apparently.

telecaster_dub

and u know he took blood ???? ur woman was unconcious

what they all have in common is they were famouse and sold millions worldwide and also made proper music

also everybody knew them for music and not drugs

Heroin

we know they made music and such , that was the reason i chose them. people look back on them now from their music , and of course then , but they would have been looked at from the angle of drugs too.

and also , define good music. i bet u cant , for the obvious reason , there is no good music , its all music. its just wheter or not you like it. Pete Doherty is a poet , his songs and poems are very good works of writing , im gonna try and not come here all the time and say why Pete is good , but you have to listen to his music , forget his lifestyle. that is an added bonus , but sure i would love him to stop using , and he is trying. i dont wanna see him die , i wanna see him clean and then see what every says, why they dont like for some other stupid reasons. but , if you dont like his music then leave it at that.

telecaster_dub

he's only writing supposedly good music cause he's off his face like oasis where in early years but they stopped and and music is crap , well it always was but it got worse

and his lifestyle is an added bonus ?????? u mad

he doesnt wanna quit cause he plays off the media

he's in and out of the priory everyweek and he sold his old drug thingy the doctors put in him on ebay what a dirt bag no class

just look at him ?? he's never had a million selling album , well if he has ive never heard of it

90 % of people out there never heard a song of his

unlike beatles and u2 or rolling stones

nearly everybody has heard of them

u2 are a class band and record sales and ticket sales says it all there diff

Jonny Arson

Andystoran wrote:

Iv been noticing over the last couple of years that Pete Doherty has developed this icon status. Il have to put it down to his drug habit and that pathetic(Feel sorry for me) look on his face. Kate Moss has taken him under her wing as her little recovery project and thinks she can Fix this guy. This guy has annoyed me since the first time i saw hiw face.
I watched a list of the 100 greatest albums ever made and the Libertines came in at number 50!!!!!
HoW?????
No really How?
There were so many bands that didnt even make the top 100, when the Libertines came on i felt sick to the pit of my stomach.
Music journalists talk about them like they have creted there own genre of music and make them out to be revolutionary.
Im completely lost here because i just saw this average guitar band with a well publicised crack addict.
As for Babyshamles, problem with them is they believe they are this special talent. Iv heard the interviews, hilarious!!
Im sick of watching these fans screaming for this stuff.
anybdy with me or are yee all in Petes possey?

He's developed an icon status because a) he's a talented musician/poet and b) he's probably the only true rock n' roll star walking the face of his earth, not because he takes drugs or is so called ''cool''. Libertines/Babyshambles fans are targeted by so much immature unfounded nothing but the thing to do stick I'm amazed there's still so many fans of his. I personally think he's one fcuked up tosser but despite that fact I'm still a fan of music and what he's done in music and most Libs/Shambles fans would say the same thing....there are not that many people who listen or support a band because ''it's cool'', if anything it's ''uncool'' to be a Libs/Shambles fan.

Anyway you have to give kudos to him for annoying so many people! Long live Pete Doherty!

EDIT: eh yeah bring on the predictable abuse and all sorts

last_orders

poor old pete, i dont think he went out to be this huge icon. he acts odd and being different attracts huge attention, personally speaking i cant stand libs/bsham but i can respect their music as rock compared to the other ****e in the charts. as for his likeness to oasis, thats different cause oasis were the first of a new generation of britpop an have influenced dozens of new bands, noel gallagher himself promotes new bands (the zutons would be unknowns without his help for example) and comparing him to pete is absurd. i hope he cleans up his act and realises that he has to work hard to live up to the standard that his image set and blow everyone away. as for his g8 performance, it was a joke an he was obviously tripping balls. he could of done so much better but he just looked pathetic.

Sgt. Sensible

I could have put my head in a bucket full of porridge
And moaned about the hospital parking scheme

I would have saved £14,
That I just splashed out on your second album

Cause thats what its akin to,
And furthermore

You've got a s**t arm, and thats a bad tattoo
You've got a s**t arm, and thats a bad tattoo

If you're going to quote from the book of revelation,
Don't keep calling it the book of revelations,
Theres no 'S'
It's the book of revelation
As revealed to St John the Divine

See also Mary Hopkin,
She must despair

(authentic celtic band)

From www.hmhb.co.uk

See the front cover of The Libertines' self-titled second album.

..."quote from the Book Of Revelations"... refers to The Libertines' What A Waster single from 2002 - offending lyrics are "When she wakes up in the morning, she writes down all her dreams, reads like the Book of Revelations, or the Beano or the unabridged Ulysses.". Splendid.

"Book Of Revelation" - Fairly impenetrable. The Revelation is lavish in colourful descriptions of the visions which proclaim for us the Last Days before Christ’s return and the ushering in of the new Heaven and new earth. The Revelation reveals the series of devastations poured out upon the earth; the mark of the beast, “666”; the climatic battle of Armageddon; the binding of Satan; the reign of the Lord; the Great White Throne Judgment; and the nature of the eternal city of God. Prophecies concerning Jesus Christ are fulfilled and a concluding call to His Lordship assures us that He will soon return.

"St John The Divine" had a Revelation in the above.

DerekD Goldfish

theres no rock n roll in rock n roll anymore!

Thats a good thing if there is one think I hate about rock music its the bollix attitude that goes with it the whole phony rebelion thing really bores me.

Heroin

true , babyshambles albums dont sell millions. and they arent the biggest band on the planet , but they are a very intimate band , their gigs are done in small venues and that is the best way for it , much better than a massive stage where your far away from em.

and the media plays off of pete!they say how bad he is , how ****ed up he is , they over do it. hes not as bad as they say , they are just lookin for gossip to throw at their droolin vegetable like readers. i know their stories are garbage , who doesnt , but i still read it , but only believe half of what is said , until i get the first hand account.

ctrl-alt-delete

telecaster_dub wrote:

90 % of people out there never heard a song of his

That is the major problem, book by its cover and all that.


agree totally with what zane has said.

sprinkles

I thought the initial stuff form the libs was quite good but since then his media personna has got the better of him. He's living on his unfounded fame, not turning up to gigs etc which quite rightly should p*ss his fans off. If your not a fan then the constant sight of him in the paper either getting arrested/going to court or leaving rehab and the sh*te stories that follow him would wreck you head.

He's in no way cool and the fact that he's bringing "rock and roll" back to rock and roll by being a drugie is ridiculous. He should concentrate on making his music and forget about how to get on the front page of the star.

Personally I hate the guy. The reason I hate him is for his personality. He thinks he's Gods gift to the music scene. He needs a reality check.

Heroin

he turns up for gigs now. he is cleanin up . and dont read the star , its **** .

telecaster_dub

hes not big because of music as ive heard the music and its brutal and ive never heard or read a review about how good the music is and how good they are , simply because they aint

he's big because he's a junkie and always in the papers with black eyes etc or caught ding drugs , hes not big because of music ok and surely if they where that big and so good they'd have sold millions and be selling out big gigs instead of small ones , dont say they chose to play small venues as its more intimate its because they cant sell out a big venue

and him making a show of himself at live 8 ??? he got slated so much for that

Heroin

not every band / musician comes to a point where they sell millions of albums ya know. they dont all get number ones too.

RHCP , filling massive arenas in less than an hour for at least 15 years now, stadium arcadium , their 9th studio album = the 1st to go number 1 for em in the U.S. and their guitarist , he is a genious , musically, and when he plays solo shows he plays in the places equivellant of where babyshambles play. and he is a HUGE talent , but as a solo player , he doesnt publicise his work. he lets the music do the talkin , like pete , hence he doesnt give a **** about reviewswhat people think of em and so on.

and that **** about pete ****in up at live 8 , i have that video on my computer , he got his words right. he looked the buisness , and he was a hell of a lot better than what boolox the rest of the show had, only for Pink Floyd , i woulda be sick that they could only get 3 proper good musicians in , Elton John , Pete , and Macca.

now , all this time , i havent been sayin babyshambles are the greatest band ever , i know damn well they arent , but they are a breath of frewsh air and something interesting , they get the crowd going , they write good songs. you want a good review of em , talk to a babyshambles fan , they are the only ones who know what they are talkin about when it comes to this kinda thing , cuz they wont give a biosed opinion , they know when hes let em down , and whens he really done somethin good.

aidan24326

Heroin wrote:

he took blood actually.for his blood paintings. dont believe what you read in the papers. every artist is unusual and uses unusual methods.

Calling him an 'artist' is taking liberties with the word I think.

Hendrix , Mcartney , Lennon , Black Sabbath , Led Zeppelin , Janis Joplin and many many other more great bands , all have on thing in common . they did drugs. but no one bitches about them. you all like them right?

One key difference seems to have washed over you. The people/bands you've mentioned were hugely talented and very succesful musicians, who had the talent/record sales to back up their fame and media persona.

WTF has Doherty ever done? Sod all. Libertines were just another average guitar band, while Babyshambes are s***e. The trash media do play on this drug-addled image and have turned him into a tabloid regular but it's fair to say he courts alot of this crap himself. Why not cop on to himself and keep the head down for a while? Clean up his act a little bit? Why? Because if he did he'd be forgotten about in 5 minutes time.

He can take drugs all he likes as far I'm concerned. I don't care. But he is typical of all that's wrong with 'celebrity' these days. That you can be famous just for being (apparently) a fcuked up smackhead. Jade Goody is famous for being as thick as two short planks. All a bunch of knobheads if you ask me. You can't just blame the The Sun, Now! Magazine and all the other rags that perpetuate this s**t, these publications would go out of business if there wasn't enough attention-seeking tossers like Doherty to keep them in print.

telecaster_dub

couldnt hav put it better myself aidan well put my friend

he should just od and do the world a favour and free space in papers for more important issues

MrJoeSoap

Heroin wrote:

its simple . pete is filling a gap left since the 80s , or early 90`s. theres no rock n roll in rock n roll anymore! wheres the sex and drugs? wheres the outrage?

Nothing to do with the music then, is it?

Heroin wrote:

people ,like the author of this post , say they hate him , but for what reason? i suppose you could sit there and watch big brother , or x-facter , but you cant stand pete for some reason.

If someone decides to become a junkie (yes, it is a conscious decision) and not show up to gigs because they are too flippin wasted to care about the people who pay for their heroin, then they deserve nothing.

I find their music quite average, obviously thats my personal taste and nobody can question that.

I've no problem with people enjoying his music but to stick up for someone who consistently acts the prick, drives under the influence, assaults people and shows blatant disregard for other human beings...

Thats your conscience.

telecaster_dub

mr joe soap my hats off to you well said

JC 2K3

I've yet to meet anyone who's really into their music and not just the mainstream indie scene/whatever's on the radio who likes the Libertines/Pete Doherty.

Most of his fans seem to be clueless girls too....

Kingsize

JC 2K3 wrote:

Most of his fans seem to be clueless girls too....

They all want one as a pet - maybe madonna should adopt a hapless junkie fukk up instead of a kid from malawi.


The media always like to have an "anti-darling" to fill the headlines with & cause a bit of harmless controversy - every once in a while Pat Kenny brings on Shane McGowan or fr Sinead o'connor to" shock" the nation.
Pete Doherty is a godsend to the tabloids he doesnt even need to be provoked.
as Bill Grundy mightve said"what a clever boy"

DáireM

The Libertines were a decent band alright but 50th best album of all time? puh-please.

So many albums that didn't make it in... I woulda swapped The Libertines for David Gray's White Ladder although I doubt anyone will agree with me.

sonic juice

in 2 years time the media will have moved onto somebody else.

Heroin

I've no problem with people enjoying his music but to stick up for someone who consistently acts the prick, drives under the influence, assaults people and shows blatant disregard for other human beings...

Thats your conscience.[/QUOTE]

you know that every human being shows disregard for others , its human nature. and what would you do if your brother / sister / ma / da / any relation was n his position , would you say the same? they are a prick and you think they deserve what they are goin thru? it is the same with a musician. they may not be blood relative , but youve gotta feel for em . yes its a conscious decision to do drugs , but what isnt? no one is ever forced to do somethin .

Heroin

D&#225 wrote: »

So many albums that didn't make it in... I woulda swapped The Libertines for David Gray's White Ladder although I doubt anyone will agree with me.

your right , david gray shouldnt be anywhere where "the greatest / best" is mentioned

MrJoeSoap

Heroin wrote:

you know that every human being shows disregard for others , its human nature.

Not every human being drives under the influence of crack cocaine, repeatedly. And all the other countless incidents he's been in trouble over.

Heroin wrote:

and what would you do if your brother / sister / ma / da / any relation was n his position , would you say the same?

I've no idea, its a hypothetical situation I don't expect to encounter.

Heroin wrote:

they are a prick and you think they deserve what they are goin thru? it is the same with a musician. they may not be blood relative , but youve gotta feel for em . yes its a conscious decision to do drugs , but what isnt? no one is ever forced to do somethin .

Well it is his fault, of course he deserves it. If you start taking the drugs Pete Doherty takes then you have to be prepared to live with the consequences. I despise all this "its not his fault and we should pity him" bull****.

Why the hell would I have to feel for him? Because he ****ed his life up with drugs? No chance mate.

starn

Heroin wrote:

RHCP , filling massive arenas in less than an hour for at least 15 years now, stadium arcadium , their 9th studio album = the 1st to go number 1 for em in the U.S. and their guitarist , he is a genious , musically, and when he plays solo shows he plays in the places equivellant of where babyshambles play. and he is a HUGE talent , but as a solo player , he doesnt publicise his work. he lets the music do the talkin , like pete , hence he doesnt give a **** about reviewswhat people think of em and so on.
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RHCP are Sh1te. All there songs are either plagerised Tom Petty tunes or souless bland sh1te with California in the tiltle

As for Pete, well The Libs were the Dogs. Babysambles a p1ss poor. Two great tracks on the Album Albion and Fcuk Forever. Both of which are carry overs from the Lib days. But Ill give him his dues great front man saw him in Carlow twice. Fcuking Awesome. I was very dissapointed with the ambasoder show. Its a pity people judge him with out listen to TYhe Lib albums

hoody

If ya don't like him, then stop paying him such attention ffs! From the above posts there seem to be one or two of us who do actually appreciate the tunes, poems etc that a clean pete can produce. Having said that, the other replies are understandable - he can be a talentless, moronic idiot, particularily when he's not clean (which is something he IS putting behind him). But tbh, these monthly threads get us nowhere, so just enjoy his talent or ignore him completely at this stage.

JC 2K3

What talent?

hoody

JC 2K3 wrote:

What talent?

I think being able to restrain oneself from dumbass, non-contributory replies on boards.ie is a talent all in itself.

SprostonGreen

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

I think The Libertines had alot of potential that wasn't realised. I'm wouldn't say I'm a fan, but what I heard of The Libertines was decent, it had good roots, you could hear alot of classic influences.

I haven't much time for Pete's solo stuff, he's just a media puppet/muppet now, but I'd still like to see Pete and Carl Barat write some more songs, whether under the name The Libertines or not, because I think they had something together, however small. I'm not gonna say "Lennon & McCartney" (:D) because it wasn't, but there was potential.

Thats pretty much my thinking on the matter too.

I really like the Libs songs that I've downloaded and am not too impressed by Babyshambles, Dirty Pretty Things are ok.

Pete Doherty has talent but he needs to clean up.
@OP him and Kate Moss are supposedly getting married, so maybe not taking him under her wing as such.

Andystoran

Pete Doherty in the same sentence as Led Zepplin?
Poet?
Iv listened to Petes music and i really dont think the Libertines were very rock and or Roll. They didnt do anything but regurgerate the music of the time with average lyrics and poor vocals.
I tried to like it, i really did.
The crazy thing is that this guys destined for a tragic drugs death, which will capture the imagination of so many more people.
When people talk about talented artists that died young theyll talk about Pete in the same breath as hendrix, Jim Morisson, Bob Marley.
Itl be hilarious.

doonothing

morrisey said he hates kate moss for dragging pete down to her level. im with the quiff

Heroin

starn wrote:

RHCP are Sh1te. All there songs are either plagerised Tom Petty tunes or souless bland sh1te with California in the tiltle

HOLD ON NOW! i can understand ppl hatin pete , though i dont agree , but you really have crossed the line there , with what can only really be described as a retarted answer. the chili peppers are , not maybe , DEFINATLEY one of the biggest , if not THE biggest band today.

now , as for this tom petty **** , why in the name of all that is holy , after 20 years, and nine albums , would they decide , " lets nick tom pettys song , and throw it on the album" why? Dani California sounds , somewhat similar to Mary Janes last dance , no way identical though. belive me i know.

i caqn tell your one of the many arseholes who slag this group , and have no understandin of them. they have the best bass player , drummer , and DEFINATLEY the best guitarist today , if you spent time like i have , listenin to all their albums , understandin each member and so forth you wouldnt talk such bollox about em.

and , theres 1 song with california in the title , bein g Dani california , Californication isnt california.

JC 2K3

Heroin wrote:

they have the best bass player , drummer , and DEFINATLEY the best guitarist today , if you spent time like i have , listenin to all their albums , understandin each member and so forth you wouldnt talk such bollox about em.

And if you spent more time listening to music outside the mainstream pop/rock scene you'd realise how retarded that statement was.

RHCP are REALLY average dude.

Andystoran

Heroin wrote:

They have the best bass player , drummer , and DEFINATLEY the best guitarist today , if you spent time like i have , listenin to all their albums , understandin each member and so forth you wouldnt talk such bollox about em.

Iv always liked the chillis buddy.Loved the early stuff and Blood Sugar is a classic. But you have to agree that they did change after Californication and become a bit mainstream. The still make some fantastic music.
I just gotta disagree on the drummer base player and guitarist being the best in the world.Thats just plain wrong!:eek:

Kingsize

keepin it totally off subject/on subject.
I used to be a huuge chilis fan but they really blew it after bloodsugarsexmagik in my opinion.
its like they were shown the magic bag o cash & told "if you want this you'll have to become the 90's version of the rolling stones constantly releasing regurgitated sh-t yet almost but neverquite nearing former glories"
Seriously they are a self parody of almost Status quo proportions.
What really put me off them however was the fact that they are quite honestly the most boring act I have ever seen live.
(& ive been to a lou reed concert!!)

MrJoeSoap

Heroin wrote:

now , as for this tom petty **** , why in the name of all that is holy , after 20 years, and nine albums , would they decide , " lets nick tom pettys song , and throw it on the album" why? Dani California sounds , somewhat similar to Mary Janes last dance , no way identical though. belive me i know.

Obviously they aren't identical. They're ridiculously similar though.

Flea is not the best bass player in the world, Frusciante is far from the best guitarist and Chad just isn't the dogs bollox at all at all.

As a band they occasionally write catchy pop tunes but thats about it.

hoody

Andystoran wrote:

Pete Doherty in the same sentence as Led Zepplin?
Poet?
Iv listened to Petes music and i really dont think the Libertines were very rock and or Roll. They didnt do anything but regurgerate the music of the time with average lyrics and poor vocals.
I tried to like it, i really did.
The crazy thing is that this guys destined for a tragic drugs death, which will capture the imagination of so many more people.
When people talk about talented artists that died young theyll talk about Pete in the same breath as hendrix, Jim Morisson, Bob Marley.
Itl be hilarious.

No-one is destined for anything, and I do not believe that Pete Doherty is destined for a tragic drugs death - he's cleaner than a lot of others at this stage (Justin Hawkins for one) - and the Libertines were rock and roll personified. They absolutely did not regurgitate lyrics, they produced some of the most poetic and honest lines for a long, long time IMO. Look at the muck being thrown at us by U2, Coldplay, The Killers and all the other mainstream BS.

He's not dying, or dead yet, and I think your voyeurism and the fact that you think it will be 'hilarious' if he does die in this manner are a bit sick to be honest. Pete Doherty has my imagine well captured without him dying, thanks very much.

MrJoeSoap

hoody wrote:

No-one is destined for anything, and I do not believe that Pete Doherty is destined for a tragic drugs death - he's cleaner than a lot of others at this stage (Justin Hawkins for one)

He's not a drug addict, because someone is more addicted?

and the Libertines were rock and roll personified. They absolutely did not regurgitate lyrics, they produced some of the most poetic and honest lines for a long, long time IMO. Look at the muck being thrown at us by U2, Coldplay, The Killers and all the other mainstream BS.

Again, not a very valid comparison. You can't say X is great because Y and Z are crap. Especially when Y and Z are Coldplay and U2.

Give us an example of The Libertines "poetic and honest" lyrics.

John

There's been a lot of name calling and hissy fits on this thread. Please keep it civil and on topic or else I'll have to lock this thread.

Heroin

JC 2K3 wrote:

And if you spent more time listening to music outside the mainstream pop/rock scene you'd realise how retarded that statement was.

RHCP are REALLY average dude.

ive got like 4000 songs on my pc and lie 50 different genres of music , the chillys are what i listen to least but they are my favorite band.

anyone whois rplied to this thread , do u play instruments or what? im a guitarist , very very average , but i know what makes a guitar player good , listen to his solo stuff , listen to the chords , you dont see it today in many bands what John Frusciante does , maybe Radiohead have interestin melodys , but apart from that , theres not alot.

and whoever sed the chillys werew **** .live , ive seen em only twice , but they were the best gigs ive been to , not just sayin that cuz im a fan , they really were the best , only close ones to it are the who , and maybe oasis. and lou reed is good, dont know about live tho,.

MrJoeSoap

Heroin wrote:

anyone whois rplied to this thread , do u play instruments or what?

Yep, play guitar. Don't see anything groundbreaking or inventive in either The Libertines or RHCP.

JC 2K3

Heroin wrote:

ive got like 4000 songs on my pc and lie 50 different genres of music , the chillys are what i listen to least but they are my favorite band.

If we're gonna go down that road then: I have between 7,000 and 10,000 songs on my PC and another 220GB of music on an external HD.

Heroin wrote:

anyone whois rplied to this thread , do u play instruments or what? im a guitarist , very very average , but i know what makes a guitar player good , listen to his solo stuff , listen to the chords , you dont see it today in many bands what John Frusciante does , maybe Radiohead have interestin melodys , but apart from that , theres not alot.

I've been playing recorder 8 years and guitar 5 years. Radiohead wasn't mentioned and are totally irrelevent. Jon Frusciante is good but not that good, and it's not like he's doing anything new. His friend Omar Rodriguez would be an example of someone a lot better than him who's actually doing something half original.

Heroin wrote:

and whoever sed the chillys werew **** .live , ive seen em only twice , but they were the best gigs ive been to , not just sayin that cuz im a fan , they really were the best , only close ones to it are the who , and maybe oasis. and lou reed is good, dont know about live tho,.

Their Live at Slane DVD rocked, but from the many reports I heard from an obscure music festival that definately wasn't named after a vital element they were crap.

jonny68

Someone should take a flame thrower to this Doherty scumbag and roast him,id gladly do it myself im sick of hearing about him:mad:

Kingsize

This is beginning to resemble a drunken 5:am arguement about who is the world's best guitarist.
Personally i can take or leave babyshambles - i liked "**** forever" but its at least twice as long as it should be.Genius or junkie fukkup or both who gives a sh-t.
What's really fascinating is that Pete Doherty seems to have an uncanny knack of hitting the headlines.
while there are "rockstars" who are in a worse state than him they seem to escape the attention. Which forces me to think that these people have publiscists to keep them off page 1 & Pete has publicists to do the opposite.

Oasis - wrote the book on regurgitation cant vouch for themin concert but i couldn't sit through a bus journey listening to one of their albums so they'd wanna be Fookin special live.

The WHO used to be one of the greatest acts live maybe they still rock I dont know & I never will cos i aint spendin 80 quid takin the risk to see a trout farmer & a registered sex offender

Sorry HEROIN Seen the chilli peppers 3 times SUCK SUCK SUCK .

BleakestH

Heroin wrote:

i caqn tell your one of the many arseholes who slag this group , and have no understandin of them. they have the best bass player , drummer , and DEFINATLEY the best guitarist today

Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha! You musn't listen to very many bands. Either that or you need to grow some ears. Puh-lease!

As for Pete Doherty, the difference between him and previous debaucherous rock stars like Hendrix, Led Zep, Sabbath and co is that they actually made some pretty timeless music in their time. Doherty has not. That is why he needs to be shunned.