Do you think it's strange when someone calls Ireland "Eire"?

The Hill Billy

Touché!

mikemac

It's not nearly as strange as the people I've met in Belfast calling us the "Free State"

In fairness, there's an elderly lady living nearby who calls Ireland the Free State as well

englander

You have 'Eire' on all your coins - so you can't blame people for getting confused !

Make your own minds up then 'Johnny Foreigner' will have half a chance.

Could you not fit 'Republic of Ireland' on the coins ?

(Its like Irish people interchanging UK/Britain/England at will.)

JaysusMacfeck

When speaking English, you use 'Ireland'. The British media always used 'Eire' without the fada because they refused to refer to the sovereign state as 'Ireland'. You never hear them refer to Spain as 'España' do you?

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

englander wrote:

You have 'Eire' on all your coins - so you can't blame people for getting confused !

Make your own minds up then 'Johnny Foreigner' will have half a chance.

Could you not fit 'Republic of Ireland' on the coins ?

(Its like Irish people interchanging UK/Britain/England at will.)

O M G. are you for real.
UK/Britain and England are different places, and have different borders with different countries. :rolleyes:
Ireland and Éire are the same place in different languages. :rolleyes:

would be like Cymru and Wales or Alba and Scotland... but Christ not like Britain and UK............

jjjjjjjjjjeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuusssssssss.

JaysusMacfeck

englander wrote:

You have 'Eire' on all your coins - so you can't blame people for getting confused !
Could you not fit 'Republic of Ireland' on the coins ?

(Its like Irish people interchanging UK/Britain/England at will.)

And the Spanish coins have España. What's your point?

Republic of Ireland is not the official name of the State. It's "Ireland", or in the first offical language of the country "Éire", hence "Éire" on the coins. I'm surprised you've been living here for so long and haven't even bothered to educate yourself.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

And the Spanish coins have España. What's your point?

Republic of Ireland is not the official name of the State. It's "Ireland", or in the first offical language of the country "Éire", hence "Éire" on the coins. I'm surprised you've been living here for so long and haven't even bothered to educate yourself.

erm sorry but "Republic of Ireland" is the official name of the State.

JaysusMacfeck

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

erm sorry but "Republic of Ireland" is the official name of the State.

Ireland or Éire is the official name of the state. Provide with with evidence that states otherwise.

BUNREACHT NA h&#201 wrote: »

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND ACT, 1948 wrote:

2.—It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.

Nevyn

BUNREACHT NA h&#201 wrote: »

Article 4

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/publications/297.htm

Both names are correct and legal.

biko

I go with the americans and use "I-err-land"

The Hill Billy

So Englander - when are we going to see/hear the BBC newsreaders talk about:
Meh-HIC-o
Deutschland
Magyar
Danmark
Bharat
Nippon
Banladesh (note - they don't use the "g")
Xianggang

I could go on...

JaysusMacfeck

I could also go on about Brits refering to this state as "Sothern Ireland" which entirely incorrect as it is a historical state in the United Kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ireland

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

Ireland or Éire is the official name of the state. Provide with with evidence that states otherwise.

Thaedydal wrote:

Both names are correct and legal.

boys oh boys, i'm surprised ye would get caught out soooooo easily.
sorry now, but Ireland or Éire was the official name when we were still in the Commonwealth and King George VI acted as the Irish head of state in international relations.

are ye saying we are still in the Commonwealth and the Queen still looks after our international relations...



but im sure ye can read all this here.
http://www.answers.com/topic/republic-of-ireland-act
http://experts.about.com/e/r/re/Republic_of_Ireland_Act.htm
http://acts.oireachtas.ie/zza22y1948.1.html
or
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA22Y1948.html
"IN ACT TO REPEAL THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY (EXTERNAL RELATIONS) ACT, 1936, TO DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND, AND TO ENABLE THE PRESIDENT TO EXERCISE THE EXECUTIVE POWER OR ANY EXECUTIVE FUNCTION OF THE STATE IN OR IN CONNECTION WITH ITS EXTERNAL RELATIONS."

or here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_Act
The Republic of Ireland Act was an enactment of Oireachtas Éireann passed in 1948, which came into force on April 18, 1949 and which declared that the official description of Ireland was to be the Republic of Ireland. It officially made Ireland a republic and marked its exit from the Commonwealth.
[edit]

The Act

Between 1922 and 1937, the 26 county Irish state was technically a British dominion known as the Irish Free State. In 1937, a new constitution was introduced which renamed the twenty-six county state ' Éire, or in the English language, Ireland '. (Article 4 of the constitution, Bunreacht na hÉireann.) The official description of the state is Republic of Ireland, according to The Republic of Ireland Act, 1948, which came into effect on Easter Monday, April 18, 1949. A change of name would have necessitated a constitutional amendment and referendum. The Act itself is quite short, running to just 5 brief sections and is therefore easy to quote in full.

Number 22 of 1948

The Republic of Ireland Act, 1948

An act to repeal the Executive Authority (external relations) Act 1936, to declare that the description of the state shall be the Republic of Ireland, and to enable the President to exercise the executive power of any executive function of the state in or in connection with its external relations. (21 December 1948)

Be it enacted by the Oireachtas as follows:-

1. The Executive Authority (External Relations) Act 1936 (No.58 of 1936) is hereby repealed.
2. It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.
3. The President, on the authority and on the advice of the Government, may exercise the executive power or any executive function of the State in or in connection with its external relations.
4. This Act shall come into operation on such day as the Government may by order appoint.
5. This Act may be cited as The Republic of Ireland Act, 1948.

This ended the difficult period of transition from British rule to the Republic. The Irish Civil War had been fought in 1922–23 was over conflicting definitions of Irish independence and the extent to which it was a reality under the Anglo-Irish Treaty. The Oath of Allegiance, the theoretical cause of the split, was a symbol of the wider debate.



next lamb please.

Nevyn

I am not a boy.
IT changed the description not the name of the state.

r3nu4l

JaysusMacfeck wrote:

I could also go on about Brits refering to this state as "Sothern Ireland" which entirely incorrect as it is a historical state in the United Kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ireland

I've come across this "Southern Ireland" thing a lot in Cambridge but not London. When I worked in London, most people said "Ireland" except in the Post Office where they would say "Éire" or "Republic of Ireland".

I've used two post offices in Cambridge and in both when I've asked to send something to the Republic of Ireland they have looked blankly at me and asked "Do you mean Southern Ireland?"

I usually reply 'Yes, the Republic of Ireland' but this still confuses them and they insist on calling it Southern Ireland, only when I agree that I want to send my package to "Southern Ireland" (wherever that is) do they issue my stamps! :mad:

So in summary, the only people I've hear refer to our country as Éire are postmasters in London. Strange world

Andrew 83

And where does any of that change the name of the state?

daveirl

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englander

Ha ha. You guys make me laugh !

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ - I like your sense of humour. Although you laboured it a bit. Some people might take you seriously.

So why dont you have 'Ireland' or 'Republic of Ireland' on the coins instead of 'Eire' ?

Republic of Ireland's first most common spoken/written language is English, not Irish (followed I believe by mandarin/chinese). So why do you have it written in Irish ?

I usually refer to Ireland as Ireland or the Republic of Ireland.

However I have been known to say Southern Ireland when I have been talking about Ireland and I will be asked if I mean Northern Ireland. Then I would say no, I'm talking about Southern Ireland (as an opposite to Northern Ireland). Its almost a follow on thing in a discussion.

I have also heard it being called Southern Ireland by your own countrymen and women (although not very often). Just yesterday I heard it on Irish tv. (TV3 I think).

A lot of my fellow countrymen and women would be confused as to what to call the the Republic of Ireland and would be keen not to offend. Some would therefore go with Eire and others for Republic of Ireland and some with just Ireland. Its not to offend, we are not all out to get you and offend at any opportunity.

As I say its very similar to Irish people referring to (and slagging off ) 'Da Brits' when they clearly mean English people. I'm sure there isn't the same hatred for Scots/Welsh as there is for 'Da Brits' (ie the English) ?

I find the term 'Brits' to be derogatory when used by Irish people.

r3nu4l

englander wrote:

As I say its very similar to Irish people referring to (and slagging off ) 'Da Brits' when they clearly mean English people. I'm sure there isn't the same hatred for Scots/Welsh as there is for 'Da Brits' (ie the English) ?

I find the term 'Brits' to be derogatory when used by Irish people.

I'm sure your passport states you are a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, therefore you are British first, English second, no?

snickerpuss

I use 'Ireland' when speaking English and 'Éire' when speaking Irish. Don't care who uses what in which context since as far as i can see they both appear to be correct.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

just said id bump this for ya, seems you forgot about your previous post
Originally Posted by englander

You have 'Eire' on all your coins - so you can't blame people for getting confused !

Make your own minds up then 'Johnny Foreigner' will have half a chance.

Could you not fit 'Republic of Ireland' on the coins ?

(Its like Irish people interchanging UK/Britain/England at will.)

O M G. are you for real.
UK/Britain and England are different places, and have different borders with different countries.
Ireland and Éire are the same place in different languages.

would be like Cymru and Wales or Alba and Scotland... but Christ not like Britain and UK............

jjjjjjjjjjeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuusssssssss.

JaysusMacfeck

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ wrote:

next lamb please.

Paste as much copy as you want. You obviously don't understand the difference between official description and official name.

As far as the rest of the world are concerned, the island of Ireland consists of "Ireland" and a small region of the UK called "Northern Ireland". Use the official description for clarification.

Official name: Éire / Ireland
Official description: Poblacht na hÉireann / Republic of Ireland

englander wrote:

So why dont you have 'Ireland' or 'Republic of Ireland' on the coins instead of 'Eire' ?

Because you would have to alter the Irish constitution in order to do so.

BUNREACHT NA h&#201 wrote: »

Article 8

1. The Irish language as the national language is the first official language.

2. The English language is recognised as a second official language.

So, as you can see, having the coinage in English only would go against the rules as set out by the constitution. Does this make any sense at all to you, englander?

Lurk

Jeebers, I'm going to say "Eire" from now on....it rolls off the tongue and brings to mind twinkley fairies, whispering winds and hill forts filled with magical wonders.
(not a place where you bleedin' need half a million squid to buy a crappy house and everyone's getting stabbed in the gullet)

"Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Eire, Ei................."

faceman

Jaysus lay off englander will ye! Sometimes us irish are the biggest hyprocrites goin...

Caryatnid

:mad: I really fail to see the problem with Éire. It's just another word that means the same thing as Ireland. It's our native language, why worry so much about it being used - once we all know what it means.....

I do have a problem with common words being spelt wrong. Éire is one. There is a fada on the E. Ctrl+Alt+'e'= é. Eire is not a word in Irish.:mad:

JaysusMacfeck

Caryatnid wrote:

:mad: I really fail to see the problem with Éire. It's just another word that means the same thing as Ireland. It's our native language, why worry so much about it being used - once we all know what it means.....

I do have a problem with common words being spelt wrong. Éire is one. There is a fada on the E. Ctrl+Alt+'e'= é. Eire is not a word in Irish.:mad:

Fadas don't exist in English. "Eire" is the 'code' used by some British RW idiots.

Using 'Eire' in English language media is no different to using 'Espana' for Spain. Of course, the Spanish couldn't give a ****, but there are many Irish that do, purely because Ireland and the UK speak the same language.

Why should they call Spain 'Spain' and Ireland 'Eire'? Simply because they can't accept Ireland as an independant state!

Jeremy Clarkson (Top Gear), for example, is extremly anti-Irish and will only refer to this country as "Air" or "Sothern Aaaarland" and its citizens as "Paddies/Mics".

It might also be of interest that the Clarkson family held large plots of land in Ireland in the early 20th century only to be conviscated after Irish independance.

If you ever meet JC and you're Irish give him a personal "fúck off" from me.

\m/_(>_<)_\m/

Caryatnid wrote:

:mad: I really fail to see the problem with Éire. It's just another word that means the same thing as Ireland. It's our native language, why worry so much about it being used - once we all know what it means.....

so true, call it whatever ones wants. who gives a f. what other people or countries calls us. as i said already, I only use Éire when abroad or when speaking Irish but normally i just use "home"

faceman

i sometimes say "the land of leprechauns and fairies" but my cd's from cdwow seem to go missing alot...

faceman

My german teacher once told me that if you told a german person you were from Ireland, he would translate it into egg-land and that we should pronouce it Irland.

One day many years later i met a german person and asked him if this was true. and he said no.

Moral of the story: None, but its a true story

englander

Maybe I'm a bit thick but after reading all these posts I still dont what to call your country without offending some hothead with far too much hatred for 'Da Brits' than is healthy.

I'll stick with 'Republic of Ireland' or 'The Republic' for short or just plain 'Ireland'. (Dont think I've ever called it Eire (with or without fada!!) or ever will).

I'd like to apologise on behalf of England and all the English people (including her Majesty) for all the offence the English have caused by referring to your great nation as 'Éire'.

Friends again ? Until next time......