Should the Pope apologise?

scojones

Commander Vimes wrote:

that's racist. there's nothing i hate more than a racist......and the dutch. damn pot smoking bike riders

It's anything but racist.

el rabitos

muslims :rolleyes: declaring jihad on this, that and the other

darkman2

Maybe its time Muslims chilled out a bit. Stop being so touchy.

spudster101

Not that I care but Id say there are much more anit-christian preaches by some of there radical clerics.

Ruu_Old

darkman2 wrote:

Maybe its time Muslims chilled out a bit. Stop being so touchy.

Yep, "lads, will yiz ever chillax, ye?"

leeroybrown

I'm not too converned whether he does or not. As far as I'm concerned both sides shoulder equal blame in this situation.

faceman

The pope's speech was not printed in entirety and his remarks were spun by the media and misinterpreted by plenty.

Hes not a very inspiring pope, very backward in his views. but most religous leaders are.

should he apologise, yes but only for any misunderstanding and he should clarify what he meant in his apologies.

As for those muslims who burned images of the pope etc, they should apologise too.

exiztone

Rats from the flats would sort this out in a second.

Anyway, I'd love to see some statistics on this. That is, I wish they could survey Muslim communities in different countries to get an idea of how many were offended.

Oh, glad the pope effigy was mentioned. That actually is insulting and I'd imagine Catholics around the world should expect an apology from the Muslims for this... not from their spokesperson... but themselves.... ironic! :eek:

faceman

Space Coyote wrote:

If organised religion was banned the world would be a better place...in my opinion.

I hate it when people say things like this.
Organised religon has brough hope and self belief to billions of people. It has also spawned thousands of looneys who misinterpret the word of their god.

Watching horror/violent movies has caused people to cause harm to others. But we dont ban every non PG film that comes along.

Killaqueen!!!

smemon wrote:

it is. Religion gives people an identity. Identity seperates people. Seperation is where conflict occurs.

put it this way. i'm a utd supporter. my son will most likely be a utd supporter & his son and so on.

instanstly, we are hated and loathed by arsenal/liverpool fans, even though we are decent people. proving that identity causes instant hatred and who and what you belong will always be held against you.

If i met a muslim man on the street i'd spot him a mile off with a big mummy hat on and a towel around himself. Nowadays most people would say to themselves 'terrorist', and would be VERY cautious arond such people.

Whereas if the same guy walked down the street in casual jeans and a shirt with short black hair, nobody would pass any remarks.

Don't try and tell me religion is not the cause of war there are different clubs in religion, just like football. When you choose one, you're instantly hated by the others.

if we had no religion, no god, no churches.... the world would be a better, more peaceful place. I'm assuming of course God exists, as there is no proof he does exist yet people still fight over him :rolleyes:

A lot of people think it's cool these days to say that without religion the world would be peaceful and it would be all rainbows and butterflies. Not true. I am not a DEEPLY religious person but I am a Christian so I have to argue that religion is not as horrible as you think. But I won't get in to trying to convert you or whatever...

It is true that religion is often a factor in war. Not always, but often. It's a shame that it is. But you have to consider so much more than religion when thinking of war.

Ideology
Revenge
History
Land
Politics
Civil Rights
Wealth
Power
Strategic reasons
Economics

....etc.

So don't tell me that without religion the world would be peaceful

Sam Vimes

sjones wrote:

It's anything but racist.

i know. i was joking

fly_agaric

Nuttzz wrote:

who is really surprised by this, what do they expect from a man who fired anti aircraft guns for hitler?

Well, I suppose if he'd told them to f-off on account of a principled and courageous anti-Nazi stance (he was conscripted at the ripe old age of 16) he'd be dead now, wouldn't he?:rolleyes:

You on the other hand - I'm sure [at 16 no less!] you'd have given the Press Gang the two fingers and maybe accepted a bullet instead?

RandolphEsq

The Pope shouldnt have apologised. the muslims need to get laid more and get drunk. Theyre so uptight and hairy and dirty, maybe if they got more female attention they might clean themselves up a bit and not be so tight.
Also there was a funny picture in the Irish Times weekend review today on the front page. It has the Pope on one half of the pic and crazy posessed looking pakistani muslims on the other half whether that was the intention or not I dont know I havent read it yet

wes

BrightEyes wrote:

Theyre so uptight and hairy and dirty,

One of the things Muslims do is wash 5 times a day. So we are anything but dirty. Seriously calling people dirty, because a few are ass holes is a pretty nasty thing to say.

exiztone

wes wrote:

One of the things Muslims do is wash 5 times a day. So we are anything but dirty. Seriously calling people dirty, because a few are ass holes is a pretty nasty thing to say.

Seriously? How do you find the time?

wes

exiztone wrote:

Seriously? How do you find the time?

I am hardly a practicing Muslim and I tend to stick to 2 times a day personally, but the religous would wash 5 times a day.

Badly Drunk Boy

Wes, I understand that the pictures of Muslims we see on the telly aren't representative of the whole Muslim community, and some of the anti-Muslim comments in this thread are unfair, but fact is that if a Western figure like the Pope (or a Danish newspaper, say) says something anti-Muslim, the Islamic world is up in arms, but if it's the other way around, the Western world is quite accomodating to Islamic feelings.

Effigies of the Pope were burned over the last day or two. Imagine if effigies of Mohammed were burned after the World Trade Towers were destroyed. Not quite the same thing, but similar.

jimmycrackcorm

I am hardly a practicing Muslim and I tend to stick to 2 times a day personally, but the religous would wash 5 times a day

hmmm ... Eat fish on Fridays or wash five times a day. tough decision!

toomevara

Reckon we should all convert to Islam and hibernicise it. We'll bring in drink and general feckwallery and generally chill all the rest of 'em right the fcuk out......

We could also set up special McMosques or indeed O'Mosques if you will for this new departure, and once we've converted we'll ignore all the precepts of the religion as we do with catholicism and show the rest of our foam-flecked, mentalist co-reliogionists how to deal with a religion which, frankly, is as mad as a bag of ferrets, while pretending to adhere to it.......

Come on you know you want to...all together now...allahu akbar....

Snake Plisken

I see the Mussies have fire bombed 2 churches in the west bank, typical reaction from the nutters! And I'm also fed up of the one sided pro mussie coverage in the media (Sky news BBC etc). I hope the Guards keep a closer eye on the Muslem communities here as we don't want to end up like the UK situation.

Snake

Zillah

Click

Meanwhile, two more West Bank churches were set afire early Sunday as a wave of Muslim anger over Benedict's comments grew throughout the Palestinian areas.

In Tulkarm, a stone church built 170 years ago was torched before dawn and its entire inside was destroyed, local Christian officials said. In the village of Tubas, a small church was attacked with firebombs and partially burned, Christians said. Neither church is Catholic, the officials said.

Yeah that'll prove him wrong about Islam being evil. Torching harmless buildings.

I'm really really sick of morons. "Hey, that guy said something I don't like. It seems reasonable to burn down all those buildings!"

wes

Badly Drunk Boy wrote:

Wes, I understand that the pictures of Muslims we see on the telly aren't representative of the whole Muslim community, and some of the anti-Muslim comments in this thread are unfair, but fact is that if a Western figure like the Pope (or a Danish newspaper, say) says something anti-Muslim, the Islamic world is up in arms, but if it's the other way around, the Western world is quite accomodating to Islamic feelings.

Effigies of the Pope were burned over the last day or two. Imagine if effigies of Mohammed were burned after the World Trade Towers were destroyed. Not quite the same thing, but similar.

I am very angry at the idiots burning effigys of the pope. Its stupid and childish, but there is very little a lot of Muslims can do about it. Religous wackos are very dangerous and most Muslims are simply afraid to speak against them.

I also agree that the west is very accomadting and is a wonderful place to live and Muslims should respect that. There are massive problems all over the Muslim world. One day I hope that saner minds will prevail and stuff like this will stop or at the very least be reduced to a near non-existent group of idiots who everyone ignores.

wes

Snake Plisken wrote:

I see the Mussies have fire bombed 2 churches in the west bank, typical reaction from the nutters! And I'm also fed up of the one sided pro mussie coverage in the media (Sky news BBC etc). I hope the Guards keep a closer eye on the Muslem communities here as we don't want to end up like the UK situation.

Snake

The west bank isn't what we would call a stable area to be fair. I have to say the actions by these men are reprehensible and out and out stupid.

Laslo

Now an Italian nun has been murdered in Somalia.

Pope: "If you quote me out of context, you'll see that I could be construed as having said Islam is a violent, barbaric religion"
Muslim world: "HOW DARE YOU CALL MY RELIGION VIOLENT!! I'M GOING TO BOMB YOUR CHURCHES AND SLAUGHTER YOUR PEOPLE! AAAAAAAARGH!"

:rolleyes:

wes

Laslo wrote:

Now an Italian nun has been murdered in Somalia.

Pope: "If you quote me out of context, you'll see that I could be construed as having said Islam is a violent, barbaric religion"
Muslim world: "HOW DARE YOU CALL MY RELIGION VIOLENT!! I'M GOING TO BOMB YOUR CHURCHES AND SLAUGHTER YOUR PEOPLE! AAAAAAAARGH!"

:rolleyes:

I am in full agreement here. These people sicken me.

exiztone

Yeah, this is seriously ironic. Haven't they proved the Pope's quote correct. No need to apologise anymore.

Laslo

exiztone wrote:

Yeah, this is seriously ironic. Haven't they proved the Pope's quote correct. No need to apologise anymore.

All part of the hypocracies of the Islamic world. You accuse them of perhaps being a bit reactionary and violent and they react with extreme anger and violence. You stop them wearing their religious headscarves in schools and they go apesh*t and yet if one was to practice Christianity in Saudi Arabia, you can be sure of a frosty reception (see being jailed, tortured and possibly beheaded). The Pope (sort of) calls Islam violent and Muslims are enraged and yet Muslims the world over protest every day screaming death to the West/death to America. A Danish cartoon satirising Mohammed is published and the whole of Denmark and Europe feel the demonic bile of the Muslim faith yet Iran commissions cartoons to satirise Christians and not a single Christian takes to the street to protest - never mind calling for the beheading of Muslims, large scale riots and the boycotting of Middle Eastern products.

Go to hell, you vicious, evil hypocrites.

Frank Grimes

Laslo wrote:

All part of the hypocracies of the Islamic world. You accuse them of perhaps being a bit reactionary and violent and they react with extreme anger and violence.

The "Islamic world" is not reacting with violence, an extreme minority are doing this. While you're tarring everyone with the same brush maybe you should take into account that there are 1.2+ billion Muslims in the world.

juslookin

Frank Grimes wrote:

The "Islamic world" is not reacting with violence, an extreme minority are doing this. While you're tarring everyone with the same brush maybe you should take into account that there are 1.2+ billion Muslims in the world.

Yes, this "extreme minority", it's just a few nutters, isn't it ? Like the "extreme minority" of nutters in the UK.

You see, as we speak, the vast majority are protesting against the extreme minority on the streets of London, Leicester, Bradford ...

Yep, the vast majority disown this "extreme minority", disagree with them, openly and loudly condemn them, have absolutely nothing to gain from their actions, don't tacitly support them, don't quiety benefit from the fruits of the actions of the "extreme minority".

As they are an "extreme minority", what we will find is, that like polls published showing a significant proportion of "British Muslims" agreeing with the 7/7 atrocity, agreeing with Islamic terrorism, and Honor Killings, and Sharia Law being introduced in the UK ...

any polls published in the press in the future will show that, ooh 32% of the vast majority agreeing with the Pope effigy burners, well it's all lies by the islamophobic, Jewish controlled media ...

The "majority" have nothing to gain by the actions of the "extreme minority". That's why they are so vocal in their condemnation, like for example the numerous and regular demonstrations by the vast majority of "British Muslims" against that "extreme minority".

But let's get back in the real world;

August 10th 2006 - An "extreme minority" of 20 odd "British Muslims" arrested over an alleged plot to blow up airliners. Just the latest worrying plot foiled ...

August 12th 2006 - An open letter on behalf of the vast majority of "British Muslims", signed by 3 "British Muslim" MPs, 3 "British Muslim" Peers and 38 Muslim organisations including, the Muslim Council of Britain, The Muslim Parliament, Da’watul Islam UK & Eire, Muslim Students Society UK & Eire, Northern Ireland Muslim Family Association .... telling us, that they don't support Muslim terrorism, but if Britain simply gives them what they want, and does what they want, and gives in to their wishes, then everythign will be hunky dory.

August 23rd 2006. Secretary General of the Union of Muslim Organisations of the UK and Ireland, an umbrella organisation, meets with the British government. Extremism will be tackled he suggests, by introducing National Holidays to mark Muslim festivals and to introduced Sharia laws.

Yes, that is the Union of Muslim Organisations of the UK and Ireland. Arguably what he wants in the UK, he wants in Ireland. Remember, as we are constantly told by many "moderates", they "don't recognise countries, only Allah".

You see, the "vast majority" are not like the "extreme minority".

It's just, well they just want the same things.

So while they claim to be different from the "extreme minority", if they get what they want due to the actions of the "extreme minority", well ...



Britain has regularly painted a picture of what awaits the Celtic Tiger. Modern day Irish society withstood the British and The Catholic Church. Contrasting the past struggles with the Catholic Church, watching it is pandering to Islam, the phrase Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind.

Frank Grimes

What's your point juslookin? A few Muslims do something bad therefore all are somehow responsible? What control do Muslims in say Senegal have over what Muslims in India do? It is a minority who are doing all this, other Muslims do speak out against it. Why do you think that people marching around the place would stop a bunch of fanatics doing what they do?

justlookin wrote:

August 10th 2006 - An "extreme minority" of 20 odd "British Muslims" arrested over an alleged plot to blow up airliners. Just the latest worrying plot foiled ...

There's about 1.6 million Muslims in Britain, so yeah I'd say it's an extreme miniority.