Polish School In Dublin

Hobbes

DublinWriter wrote:

Lame arguement, for the obvious reason.

How do you know he was talking about ones that weren't outside Ireland?

DublinWriter

Hobbes wrote:

How do you know he was talking about ones that weren't outside Ireland?

Because a) I'm psychic and b) there aren't any.

DonJose

From those who I have come across, the eastern Europeans and their children need as much contact with English speaking people as possible. A segregated Polish school will not offer this. I lived in Germany for several years and I worked with Turks who were born in Germany and had to follow in their parents footsteps of low paying jobs due to the language barrier.

DublinWriter

DonJose wrote:

From those who I have come across, the eastern Europeans and their children need as much contact with English speaking people as possible. A segregated Polish school will not offer this.

Unfortunately many Poles (at least the half-dozen I know) are of a similar mindset to the Paddies, West Indians and Indians who migrated to the UK in the 50's and 60's - make some money and go home.

They probably still think they'll be returning to the 'auld Sodski' at some point and want their kids to be educated under the Polish system.

This rarely happens at the end of the day.

Sam_irl

daveirl wrote:

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This is not really something worth posting about. The city of Chicago has more Polish people than Warsaw has(they are Polish descent but American now) yet they had to move there when Irish were too.

Sir_Yaro

First of all i must say "thank you" to all of you who think before they say something and before they starts to pant with anger, hate and xenophoby. I was really suprised how many people in ireland has an open mind and try to undestand before they pronounce a sentence.
I said that cause I have a bad experiences from similiar boards in few other countries (german's for example). Tolerancy is much smaller or... they're less political corrected (i hope it's not a true).
Any way, let's back to the point. Polish school, well I've my own opinion why some of us want to send "our" kids to the school with polish curriculum (damn, i had to check what the "curriculum" is ). Don't get me wrong because I'm not try to put myself or all polish people on any kind of pedestal and I'm not trying to criticize irish educational system cause i don't know enought about it.
Any of the previous reason and arguments are true and good but there is something more. A lot of polish folks thinks that irish ed. system sucks. And i have to admit that i've a same feelin about it. Even after that Captain Trips showed the figures. I hate to give any opinion in subject where i haven't strong information background but... well i just feel like that. But this feeling doesn't come from nowhere. Since last two years which i've spent in ireland i meet a lot of irish folks. And i was devastated. I couldn't find any subject to speak about with damn majority (and i'm don't want to talk about drinking beer and beeing drunk). Such tests with girls gave even worse results.
Lot of irish people have very poor general knowledge. To don't be baseless. Two of my fiance's workmates went to greece (Athens), when they've back she asked them if they have seen the colosseum. They have no idea what the colosseum is. "So, what have you seen, where were you?" she asked - they started to talk about pubs and shops. Dammit! This country has bigger/greater history and more monuments than ireland and poland together and they... ehhh...
I sit in a pub with my mate and his colleague (some doctor from UCC) and we speak about some rubbish. In a moment my friend use word "symbiosis". Ray (this doctor) was shocked. "how do you know this word?" - he ask. We look suprised on each other. We dont know how. We just know it. Ray made a round of pub and asked everybody if they know this word - one person known.
And there is much, much more of such stupid stories. They doesn't really prove anything but such things stays in a mind somewhere. And if you parent, you want to give the best education to your kid. I this moment - i think - you remind all this stories. It happens - i think - most often to people who stuck somewhere without any/low level of english. They do a lousy work and know only irish people interested in... nothing.

I' be very interested in your comments about my post. And if u feel offended anyhow because of my post - please ask. My english is still damn crappy so i could made some mistakes.

best regards

peachesxcream

robinph wrote:

What if the family moves over and the kid is in their last year or two of the Polish curiculum, or they have moved over only for a couple of years with young kids so don't then want them to be left behind when they move back to Poland, or any other variation along the lines where they don't want to disrupt the kids education to much.

thats their own tough luck, they should think about that! If we were to move say, to England - would you expect an irish school there?! Thought not!

Kintarō Hattori

peachesxcream wrote:

thats their own tough luck, they should think about that! If we were to move say, to England - would you expect an irish school there?! Thought not!

Not exactly the best example there as Irish people are so familiar with english culture and have a shared history. Also we speak the same language so it doesn't really compare to the Poles who speak a completely different language to ourselves.

adonis

Sir_Yaro wrote:

First of all i must say "thank you" to all of you who think before they say something and before they starts to pant with anger, hate and xenophoby. I was really suprised how many people in ireland has an open mind and try to undestand before they pronounce a sentence.
I said that cause I have a bad experiences from similiar boards in few other countries (german's for example). Tolerancy is much smaller or... they're less political corrected (i hope it's not a true).
Any way, let's back to the point. Polish school, well I've my own opinion why some of us want to send "our" kids to the school with polish curriculum (damn, i had to check what the "curriculum" is ). Don't get me wrong because I'm not try to put myself or all polish people on any kind of pedestal and I'm not trying to criticize irish educational system cause i don't know enought about it.
Any of the previous reason and arguments are true and good but there is something more. A lot of polish folks thinks that irish ed. system sucks. And i have to admit that i've a same feelin about it. Even after that Captain Trips showed the figures. I hate to give any opinion in subject where i haven't strong information background but... well i just feel like that. But this feeling doesn't come from nowhere. Since last two years which i've spent in ireland i meet a lot of irish folks. And i was devastated. I couldn't find any subject to speak about with damn majority (and i'm don't want to talk about drinking beer and beeing drunk). Such tests with girls gave even worse results.
Lot of irish people have very poor general knowledge. To don't be baseless. Two of my fiance's workmates went to greece (Athens), when they've back she asked them if they have seen the colosseum. They have no idea what the colosseum is. "So, what have you seen, where were you?" she asked - they started to talk about pubs and shops. Dammit! This country has bigger/greater history and more monuments than ireland and poland together and they... ehhh...
I sit in a pub with my mate and his colleague (some doctor from UCC) and we speak about some rubbish. In a moment my friend use word "symbiosis". Ray (this doctor) was shocked. "how do you know this word?" - he ask. We look suprised on each other. We dont know how. We just know it. Ray made a round of pub and asked everybody if they know this word - one person known.
And there is much, much more of such stupid stories. They doesn't really prove anything but such things stays in a mind somewhere. And if you parent, you want to give the best education to your kid. I this moment - i think - you remind all this stories. It happens - i think - most often to people who stuck somewhere without any/low level of english. They do a lousy work and know only irish people interested in... nothing.

I' be very interested in your comments about my post. And if u feel offended anyhow because of my post - please ask. My english is still damn crappy so i could made some mistakes.

best regards

this whole post is quite offensive actually.
Maybe the people dont talk about interesting things with you because your english isnt good enough?

ejmaztec

adonis wrote:

this whole post is quite offensive actually.
Maybe the people dont talk about interesting things with you because your english isnt good enough?

If you wish to criticise someone's lack of English, you should make certain that your own usage is without error. It's hypocritical when one does not know how to use an apostrophe (don't, isn't) or a capital letter (English). Your use of "?" is also debatable.

If my standard of Polish was as good as Sir_Yaro’s standard of English, I would be quite happy.

Sir_Yaro

adonis wrote:

this whole post is quite offensive actually.
Maybe the people dont talk about interesting things with you because your english isnt good enough?

oh... well. I tried as much as I can to not pique anybody and write clearly and openly. But don't you think that is really hard and complicated to write about generally offending idea in a completelly not offending way? Generally speaking, is possible? I say this most emphatically i don't agree wiht a thesis contained in my above post. I just try to explain why some foreign people (belive me, not only poles) thinks like that. It's not completely wrongfully. Sometimes they even have a stong reasons to think like that...

Adonis, please tell. How good my english must be to speak about "interesting things"? FCE level ? CAE level? Or maybe CPE level? Do I need to use some specialistic vocabulary? Do I need to know terminology used in stock exchange quotations?
Then why and how I can speak with some people about complicated philosophical and moral problems (because sometimes i do)? How I do it? Telepathically ?

fly_agaric

Sir_Yaro wrote:

A lot of polish folks thinks that irish ed. system sucks.

It's good in parts. I can't personally/anecdotally compare to other countries but from my own experiences a problem would be it chucks too many people on the scrapheap (educationally) at an early age. I feel that the Primary system here in particular suffers from a severe lack of money. I think someone else pointed out Ireland is overall fairly "average" for a developed/rich country (edit: which would mean excellent if you take the world as a whole).
Education was usually one thing the Communists managed to get very, very right (in USSR and E. Europe anyways - especially I think in terms of helping people achieve their potential regardless of their background) so I wouldn't be surprised if Poland had an excellent education system.

EDIT for late joke:

Of course, the commies got thrown out about 16-17 years ago so it is quite possible the Polish Ed. system has gone to hell in the meantime under nasty "Western" influences !;)

Diogenes

adonis wrote:

this whole post is quite offensive actually.
Maybe the people dont talk about interesting things with you because your english isnt good enough?

Yeah well, without checking the dictionary why don't you tell us the definition of symbiosis.

I think anyone who's english is good enough to use simple scientific definitions has a firm grasp of the language, people generaly have superior aural skills than written skills in a foreign tongue so we have to assume Sir_Yaro is very proficent at speaking english.

It's offensive to you that someone can come to this country and not be driven wild about the level of culture and intelligent conversation. If an Irish person was doing the same about his countrymen, would it be so "offensive"?

adonis

of course its offensive to me when someone takes off something that is intrinsic to who i am.
And of course, the only thing he relates are things he has heard people say..or overheard in a bar or from two women going to greece, which dont add up to a "bad education" system.
What you might find is that a lot of irish people are lazy and that where education really begins/is is in the home and maybe his comments should be directed there..

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of course i know what symbiosis is, we learnt it in biology for the life cycle of the liver fluke.

i can write without apostrophes if i want as i am completly comfortable in the level of my english and my vocabulary
and

catches a breath

these schools should not be sanctioned by the state and should be completly private.

also: simple scientific definitions are probably the same in most languages as the root is probably a - arabic b - latin or c - greek.
So it really isnt indicative of his level of english.

e&oe

dRNk SAnTA

The Irish education system is recognised internationally as being of a very high standard.

aforembs

I can clearly see that you have no completely idea what it is a real racism.

The Germans had also their own buses when they occupied Poland during the 2-nd World War - that was the racism!!!

And by the way. I'm polish. I'm living and working in Ireland for the last 2 years. I've got Irish friends and my children are attending the Irish school.
You can believe me or not but it wasn't enyone of polish imigrants idea to open the polish school in Dublin. Actually everyone of us was agains it.
We don't need o full polish school. We want our children to learn english and make irish friends. And we've got also already Blackrock weekend school for our children. Just to help them not to forget polish grammar which is really difficult and also learn some polish History. That's it.

It is not our fault that we got now the stupids goverment in the World, elected only ny 30% of polish population. The guy who is actually the ministry of Education had this idea of a polish school in Dublin. He also asked the College principals from the whole Poland to let him know which students are impregnant??? What about that???

So before you will start offend polish people and giving out on them find out if this is really what they wanted???

Your polish friend from Drogheda.

julep wrote:

i think they should have their own buses too.

also, they shouldn't be allowed to drink from the same water fountains as Irish people.

this is a really ridiculous idea that will just fuel racism.

Paddy_Irishman

I would like to address Sir_Yaro's post. There is so much wrong with it. I think your english is brillant mate, fair play to you for learning it. I would find it very difficult to learn polish I imagine. Then again when it's a matter of learn or find no work? You do tend to learn faster. Im even more impressed you can type it so well because that can be a hard transition.

Sir_Yaro you complain about not being able to have interesting conversations with Irish people. I cant think of the name of the man that said it but the quote "A man who feels inadequate before others often blames the people for his short comings". Basically what I mean is, a conversation is a two way thing. If your getting nothing out of a conversation then you are just as much at fault as the person you are failing to communicate with.

Also, you cannot simply label 'General' Irish people as dull or unable to have intelligent conversations. That is stereotypical crap my friend, now Im sure you will come back and say you didnt mean 'All' Irish people but Im sorry that's what your saying as far as Im concerned. I realise you may have Irish friends who you talk to you and can say symbiosis with. Also anybody who ever watched SG1 should know what that means, come on .

Getting back to your post about the Irish education System and your distain for it. You say your self you dont know anything about it? You then go on to say that you dont like it, think it sucks and that you cannot say why but you just think that? You seem like a fairly intelligent man yet you come out with lines like this man.

You go on to explain how the reason you dont like the Education System here is because you know irish people and they seem dull or uncultered or uninterested in learning or furthering their own knowledge. Sorry mate, as I said you seem like a smart man. There are varying degrees of intelligence and interest in different echelon's of society from country to country. I would very much doubt it if you Sir_Yaro would be considered to be an extension of the layman's arm in poland. So your arguement there doesnt really hold any water as far as Im concerned anyway. Another reason for that is I have tried to engage poles in conversation many times and am met with some sucess but other times they dont want to talk about anything except who's opening the next bottle of vodka. That's fine too, that's how some 'people' act and Im not one to judge. Know your audience.

You seem to have an inherent dislike for change on some fronts and a keen desire to expand your horizon's on others. The Change you do not like is to do with inevitable merging with the Irish people here and the expansion you seem to seek is to do with new and interesting things and the future obviously.

Although people may say the irish didnt mix well into other cultures, thats absurd and an insult to our grandfathers and before them even. Paddy's travelled the world for work and were for the most part accepted into the societys they worked for because we could usually speak the language, were generally a jovial and merry folk and of course because we were white. Im sure most Irish people in Ireland have a relation some where along the line from outside the Emerald Isle. Just look at America, Im not gonna quote statistics or whatever because we all know 52.12% of people can do that but there is a massive descendant population of Irish blood in America. If thats not intergration then please do explain?

As for the whole issue, absolutely 0 problem with a polish school. It's a way of holding on to some of your culture and seeing your children raised as you were. It also provides a friendly enviroment were parents dont need to worry if their child will 'get' on in school because they are different. There's enough crap that kids pick on for that stuff anyway.

PS: I typed this quite fast and I have not insulted anybody's grammar or spelling so I would appreciate it if the Grammar police stayed out of it.

Sir_Yaro

First I need to ask question - how it's possible that no one notice that I've written by mistake total stupidity. Colloseum in Athens? Since when?

I'll try answer you as precisely as i can. Even though its very tiring task There is a saying in poland "the devil’s in the detail" and I see that reasonable good level of anglish is not always enought to talk about important things. Especially touchy onces.

My first post - which i gave recently to read to few of my friends - was supposed to have the different meaning than evidently has. I tried to stress that in my second post. Clearly wrongly.

Well once again. In my post i've stated certain prevailed view and potential reasons why such opinion may have a place. Not my own opinion(s). Thanks to my friends assessments and a second view I see that i've failed completely in this matter.
But I wrote quite clearly that I don't know enought about irish ed.system and I try to not criticise. That I write only about opinions. In a second post I've written that I don't agreed with them (most of them).

I NEVER wrote that irish people have some inborn dislike to foreigners. I'd even say that if I had to discribe you - as a nation - from a negative side this character trait would be on a VERY end as almost non existing....

DonJose

Sir_Yaro wrote:

First I need to ask question - how it's possible that no one notice that I've written by mistake total stupidity. Colloseum in Athens?

We spell it "Colosseum" in Ireland You don't need to be a witch to use a spell checker. anglish???

Kintarō Hattori

oranje wrote:

There are plenty of Irish ex-pats in Warsaw. The last time I was there I met a good few of them and only a minority could speak any Polish. One guy had lived there for six years and had a Polish wife but still couldn't speak a word of Polish.

Just as a matter of interest, what the hell do these people do for jobs if their living in the country for so long and can't speak the language??

Sir_Yaro

eo980 wrote:

Just as a matter of interest, what the hell do these people do for jobs if their living in the country for so long and can't speak the language??

I didn't and I don't know any Irish or English people in Poland but I'd say english language in many different work places is enough to comunicate. Especially in Warsaw. Of course I don't think about simples, dull jobs but rather high qualified ones.
And to be honest usualy you don't have to know any language at all for those low qualified jobs. And I think it's like that everywhere...:)