Fat People Verses the world?

red_ice

Its 2 am in the morning and i've just finished watching a program called 'f**k off im fat'

The basic jist of the program is about discrimination against fat people in the uk. The show covered such areas as public toilets, shopping for cloths, eating, going out, driving, clubbing and a part that outraged me, how theme parks cope with fat people.

The whole show, was basicly a bunch of fat people being utter muppets to the camera moaning that they cant do anything. I understand that its not fair being left out in certain activities, but when it comes to other peoples health and safety there is no reason that things should change (imo) just to suit them. When they went into the theme park there was certain rollercoasters that they couldnt go on because they didnt fit in the seats. They complained and said the seats should be bigger to acompany them. How in gods name is that going to make the ride safer for skinny people?

Another point they worked on was the fact that 1 out of 10 shops in the uk cater for the 18+ sizes. They took all of this to the executives of the companies and interviewed such and such a person infront of the camera what what not, basicly asking for a reason to why they dont cater for people of these sizes.. Do they not realise that there is a certain market that these people aim to please? They are running a business ffs, if they see no profit margins in supplying those sizes, why should they waste money on it? They have female only car insurance yet noone gives a toss about that.. The point with that is, they have a market which they aim to please.

Another area that they went into was the health and beauty market. They asked the beauticians about whats attractive and so on and the type of people that they get in for regular servieces and so on and it was all about skinny people... the thing that i found funny was that the point that they tried to get across totally backfired. It seemed that they didnt get the larger person into the shops for treatments as much as they did the skinnier people... So whos fault is that? Because someone is over weight does that mean that they cant go in for treatments? Eh no!

I dont mean to come across as pointing the finger at anyone or anything. I just think this would make an interesting topic of conversation(adrien kennedy style), because there was so many things that i saw in that show that i never even considered would be discriminating to overweight people... but another thing they made clear was that there are fascilities for over weight people...

Dont get me wrong, im not saying fat people are lazy and so on... and honestly my heart bleed for them as i wouldnt like to be in the position of being put aside due to a physical issue, but life isnt fair and business is business.

If you ran a shop/theme park/business of any sort that lets face it, its main market was skinny people.. would you change it around to cater for the larger groups? Imagion if you did that and it totally flopped?

Adam

If you're fat its your own fault. Deal with it.

Caco

When I started reading this, I thought it was going to be about fat people who are being DISCRIMINATED against, not INCONVENIENCED!

BlitzKrieg

i'm fat, its my fault (poor diet) working on it.


i just dont need strangers to remind me of it.

also what channel was this show on?

most likely it was designed to take the p*ss out of fat people without actually being blunt about it (in the same way they do those shows about chavs)

exiztone

Yeah, I watched that last night, it was laughable. The woman who wanted to buy a Jaguar looked a few weeks away from a triple bypass. They were complaining that there should be fat toilets, fat rollercoasters, fashionable fat clothes etc... well being morbidly obese isn't healthy so I don't think society should promote it and accept it as normal. We need to fight obesity, not cater to it!

And like the original poster said, if we start making facilities for larger people, we're discriminating against healthy thin people. There's no sense in that. So yeah, I agree with the show title, f*ck off, you're fat, and I'm not going to alter my ways for you.

esskay

I would have to agree with you there, no one is making them fat but themselves (except for a very small percentage with medical issues). I'm no slim jim myself and recently was told I couldn't do a parachute jump cause I was over 100kg (Goddamn steaks), was pissed off but it's a saftey issue so what can ya do, except loose weight if ya really want to do it. I remember studying ergonomics in college and the guiding principle is to cater for the 95th percentile. This means 95% of people fit between two extremes and to design for this means your "product" will suit/fit 95% of people. Also I am 6"2' and find seat on airplanes and most buses very tight, but again most people fit ok, I am just one of the 5% who are larger. Like you said, to make seats bigger in rollercoasters would compromise safety for a larger proportion of smaller people in comparison to the larger people who could use it. I like being tall and am happy to live with the minor inconviences that come with it. As for the parachute jump, I am determined to lose the few kg and do it!!

Ruu_Old

There was a part of that Supersize Me film that is appropriate for this one where one person commented that when you are in a cafe or whatever and happen to be smoking, that some people might mention to you 'Don't you know how bad cigarettes are? You are killing your body'. He raised the question, when is it going to be acceptable for a person, after seeing an obese person eating an extra dessert or whatever, to say to them 'Have you not had enough to eat, you are killing your body'.
I know a few people that are overweight, most of them deal with it and know it was their own fault due to their lifestyles but others use it as an excuse that they can't do what they want which annoys me.

Pocari Sweat

Disability legislation now requires disabled ramps when building new houses and disability parking and access to shops and businesses.

Parking for parents and kids is now set aside in supermarket car parks.

Latest stats now say nearly 30% of all food now eaten in Ireland daily is eaten on the move in vehicles, they call them dash board diners. With a growing trend of more readily accessible convenience food and a lack of excercise and sedentary jobs there are going to be a lot more fatties in the future.

Birth weight makes a big difference to weight later in life, so a 5 pound baby is likely to be slimmer later in life than a 10 pound baby, and birth weight figures are on the sharp rise.

So fat discrimination may be looked at in the future from the point of view that it is genetic and not so much a lifestyle choice or laziness and greater encouragement may be afforded the chunkier and more rotund punters who grace the seats of aircraft and theme park rides.

Maybe on some of the big roller coaster rides in the future, there will be a half way stop, drive-thru McDonalds, to give the punters a boost!

monkeyfudge

BlitzKrieg wrote:

also what channel was this show on?

BBC 3.. it's right up there with other great shows such as Too Ugly for Love and the The 34 Stone Teenager.

But the way obesity levels are growing they'll soon be in the majority and in a 100 years time it will be just like Planet of the Apes but with fat people.

Adam

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Disability legislation now requires disabled ramps when building new houses and disability parking and access to shops and businesses.

Parking for parents and kids is now set aside in supermarket car parks.

So?

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Latest stats now say nearly 30% of all food now eaten in Ireland daily is eaten on the move in vehicles, they call them dash board diners.

Stats from where?

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Birth weight makes a big difference to weight later in life, so a 5 pound baby is likely to be slimmer later in life than a 10 pound baby, and birth weight figures are on the sharp rise.

There is a difference between being of a bigger build and being overweight.

Pocari Sweat wrote:

So fat discrimination may be looked at in the future from the point of view that it is genetic and not so much a lifestyle choice or laziness and greater encouragement may be afforded the chunkier and more rotund punters who grace the seats of aircraft and theme park rides.

Excess body fat is NOT genetic, it arises from consuming more then you burn off.

Rb

esskay wrote:

I would have to agree with you there, no one is making them fat but themselves (except for a very small percentage with medical issues). I'm no slim jim myself and recently was told I couldn't do a parachute jump cause I was over 100kg (Goddamn steaks), was pissed off but it's a saftey issue so what can ya do, except loose weight if ya really want to do it. I remember studying ergonomics in college and the guiding principle is to cater for the 95th percentile. This means 95% of people fit between two extremes and to design for this means your "product" will suit/fit 95% of people. Also I am 6"2' and find seat on airplanes and most buses very tight, but again most people fit ok, I am just one of the 5% who are larger. Like you said, to make seats bigger in rollercoasters would compromise safety for a larger proportion of smaller people in comparison to the larger people who could use it. I like being tall and am happy to live with the minor inconviences that come with it. As for the parachute jump, I am determined to lose the few kg and do it!!

Exactly. Businesses aren't catering for skinny or thin people, they're catering for the average sized people with room for the accomodation of slightly above and slightly below average.
e.g The average mens waist size in Ireland is 32"-34", so most clothing stores carry sizes 30"-38".
To go and cater for a small percentage of people who happen to be size 40"+ wouldn't be profitable, so it's completely understandable even from a business point of view. Besides, there's also shops such as "Mr Big" to accomodate to the above average sizes, which is more than enough catering for them.

With regards to fat public toilets, I mean they have to be joking. What do they want, widened cubicles and bigger seats?Just for this small percentage of them who are so lazy and unhealthy that they can't fit their fat asses on the seat? If it's just a case of widened cubicles(and not wider seats) then surely they can use the disabled toilets, as they've plenty of room in them with the added bonus of a rail to help themselves up!

exitzone wrote:

well being morbidly obese isn't healthy so I don't think society should promote it and accept it as normal. We need to fight obesity, not cater to it!

Good point, it really shouldn't be an acceptable thing to be obese and most definately should not be catered for to make the lives of those who put themselves in the situation easier. If they can't go on rollercoasters or find fashionable clothing for their sizes, then thats their problem, not the businesses (or societys).
I know personally if I was told I couldn't go on a rollercoaster 'cause I wouldn't fit the seats, I'd be more concerned about what the hell I'd done with myself to get so big and what I could do to fix it, rather than pointing the finger at the businesses for not accomdating me.
Though, being 6"0 and 11 stone, I probably don't have to worry about fitting rollercoasters for the time being

Ruu wrote:

that some people might mention to you 'Don't you know how bad cigarettes are? You are killing your body'. He raised the question, when is it going to be acceptable for a person, after seeing an obese person eating an extra dessert or whatever, to say to them 'Have you not had enough to eat, you are killing your body'.

It's a funny one alright, if you turned around to a fat person stuffing themselves with crap in McDonalds or elsewhere and said that to them, they'd be extremely offended and anyone within earshot would probably think you're a pr1ck for saying it (though would consciously be in agreement). Whereas, as a smoker myself (but trying to quit!!), if someone says "They'll kill you ya know" to me it doesn't 'cause offence and any non-smokers in earshot would think nothing of being said to me.
At this point in time, with all the information we've gotten about obesity and the detrimental effects it has on a persons body, it should be acceptable to frown upon these people and say things like "That'll kill you ya know" when witnessing them stuffing their faces.
Both smoking and the lifestyle choices that lead to obesity are extremely bad for your health, addictions (or so I hear that eating pure crap is an addiction), and they're both conscious activities in that the smoker knows they're doing that to themselves, as do obese people, but yet they're treated so differently, why is this?

There's too much obesity in the world as it is, it most definately should not be encouraged or catered for and the people in that program should stfu and deal with the problems themselves, rather than moaning about it. It's not that hard to lose weight ffs.

SantaHoe

Yeah, why can't I smoke on a rollercoaster? :mad:

Huggles

red_ice wrote:

Its 2 am in the morning and i've just finished watching a program called 'f**k off im fat'

The basic jist of the program is about discrimination against fat people in the uk. The show covered such areas as public toilets, shopping for cloths, eating, going out, driving, clubbing and a part that outraged me, how theme parks cope with fat people.

The whole show, was basicly a bunch of fat people being utter muppets to the camera moaning that they cant do anything. I understand that its not fair being left out in certain activities, but when it comes to other peoples health and safety there is no reason that things should change (imo) just to suit them. When they went into the theme park there was certain rollercoasters that they couldnt go on because they didnt fit in the seats. They complained and said the seats should be bigger to acompany them. How in gods name is that going to make the ride safer for skinny people?

Another point they worked on was the fact that 1 out of 10 shops in the uk cater for the 18+ sizes. They took all of this to the executives of the companies and interviewed such and such a person infront of the camera what what not, basicly asking for a reason to why they dont cater for people of these sizes.. Do they not realise that there is a certain market that these people aim to please? They are running a business ffs, if they see no profit margins in supplying those sizes, why should they waste money on it? They have female only car insurance yet noone gives a toss about that.. The point with that is, they have a market which they aim to please.

Another area that they went into was the health and beauty market. They asked the beauticians about whats attractive and so on and the type of people that they get in for regular servieces and so on and it was all about skinny people... the thing that i found funny was that the point that they tried to get across totally backfired. It seemed that they didnt get the larger person into the shops for treatments as much as they did the skinnier people... So whos fault is that? Because someone is over weight does that mean that they cant go in for treatments? Eh no!

I dont mean to come across as pointing the finger at anyone or anything. I just think this would make an interesting topic of conversation(adrien kennedy style), because there was so many things that i saw in that show that i never even considered would be discriminating to overweight people... but another thing they made clear was that there are fascilities for over weight people...

Dont get me wrong, im not saying fat people are lazy and so on... and honestly my heart bleed for them as i wouldnt like to be in the position of being put aside due to a physical issue, but life isnt fair and business is business.

You have the basics right but the main point of this show was to ask how will Britain will deal with the growing numbers of Obese in the future. If you listen closely he says 'How will Britain Cope'.

TBH I don't think the people involved were moaning about being fat at all instead they allowed the presenter to use them to show how fat-unfriendly the UK is. He wants to know what is going to be done if stats are to be believed.

Another issue was raised here and the Irish women will agree here. The ladies on the show wanted to know why the larger sizes in the high street store where so frumpy.

red_ice wrote:

If you ran a shop/theme park/business of any sort that lets face it, its main market was skinny people.. would you change it around to cater for the larger groups? Imagion if you did that and it totally flopped?

There are larger people out there and guess what they have money too! The whole point of the show was to say...lets be 50/50 here, not only cater for the fat or the skinny exclusively.

I think i can give a fair opinion here as I was grossly overweight myself last year, a result of a desk job and giving up sports I played from college. I know what a hell it can be to be over weight, its like a prison sentence. I lost the weight and got my life back but there are genuine cases of obesity out there and the people cannot lose the weight for one reason or another.

Surely these people should be allowed lead there lives too?

Rb

TheGooner wrote:

TBH I don't think the people involved were moaning about being fat at all instead they allowed the presenter to use them to show how fat-unfriendly the UK is.

IMO it should be fat-unfriendly, the more people that know that it's unacceptable to be obese the better. The obesity problem is continously growing and being friendly(not in a personal way) towards those that embrace the lifestyle that leads/lead to it isn't going to help.

TheGooner wrote:

Another issue was raised here and the Irish women will agree here. The ladies on the show wanted to know why the larger sizes in the high street store where so frumpy.

Noone wants to see obese chicks in tight clothing I'd imagine and I'm sure not a lot of heavy women would be comfortable in clothes that bring out/display their shape. If there are, I'm sure they're a minority and from a business point of view, why create clothes that a minority may or may not buy.

TheGooner wrote:

There are larger people out there and guess what they have money too! The whole point of the show was to say...lets be 50/50 here, not only cater for the fat or the skinny exclusively.

They're catering for the average sized person, they're not catering for anyone exclusively. (as I explained in my first post).

TheGooner wrote:

Surely these people should be allowed lead there lives too?

Again, tiny minority who can't lose the weight, those who can shouldn't be catered for because they're too lazy to get out and exercise and eat properly.
Discouragement, not encouragement is the way forward.

Huggles

rb_ie wrote:

IMO it should be fat-unfriendly, the more people that know that it's unacceptable to be obese the better. The obesity problem is continously growing and being friendly(not in a personal way) towards those that embrace the lifestyle that leads/lead to it isn't going to help.

But when they lose weight it doesnt melt away over night!

rb_ie wrote:

Noone wants to see obese chicks in tight clothing I'd imagine and I'm sure not a lot of heavy women would be comfortable in clothes that bring out/display their shape. If there are, I'm sure they're a minority and from a business point of view, why create clothes that a minority may or may not buy.

Granted. But most of the high street stores stop at size 16 and teh point that was being made was that if stats are to be belived the majority (the obese in 2010) won't be catered for.

rb_ie wrote:

Again, tiny minority who can't lose the weight, those who can shouldn't be catered for because they're too lazy to get out and exercise and eat properly. Discouragement, not encouragement is the way forward.

Have you ever battled with a weight issue? By the sounds of it I don't think so. I respect yopur opinion, I really do but it really is not a tiny minority and again the whole point of the show was to raise awareness at how it will not be a tiny minority in 2010.

BrokenArrows

Ok fair enough some people have weight issues which has a medical side but others are just plain lazy, eat far too much and basically do nothing about being overweight and then complain about it.

If you know you are over weight then you can consciously do something about it.
Im a skinny guy, i eat tonnes of food and way too much sweets and junk food but i dont just sit around all day. I walk whereever im going. To the shop, to town, around town, to work, home from work. Ill get a bus only if it takes more than 30minutes to walk there or its raining.

Simple things in your daily life im sure can make huge differences.

Example of just being lazy when it comes to overweight people.

I was waiting for a friend the other day beside a set of steps outside. Probably 20-30 steps total. Nothing huge. There was a lift beside it to cater for disabled people and people with prams etc.

Anyway This group of large overweight people approached the steps and one mentioned there was a lift and of course they all waited for the lift which took a while. Dont know why it too so long but they all waited. Now its a small lift so only 3 of them could fit so they actually waited and made a second run with the lift.

So instead of walking down some stairs they waited around for close to 4 minutes id say. now thats just lazy.

If someone is concerned about their weight just make the extra efforts in your day. These extra efforts will get rid of those extra calleories that you are otherwise not buring off ie. you will start to loose weight. Is it that hard to eat slightly less and move about slightly more.

/end of rant

Lirange

I think exercise is a more imporant variable in the equation.

It's important to eat right and eat balanced. However, you can do nothing but eat at McDonald's and still be an Adonis. As long as you work it off. Granted, if your calorie intake is Jabbaesque then you'll have to be very active. But it can be done. You do see people that eat nothing but junk and get away with it. Often it's not their metabolism it's the fact that they get off their duff.

padi89

TheGooner wrote:

Have you ever battled with a weight issue?

The only people i see that should have to "battle" with a weight issue are those with medical conditions that cause excess weight.Eating proper healthy food and regular excercise should not be a battle for someone it should be the norm.

Huggles

padi89 wrote:

The only people i see that should have to "battle" with a weight issue are those with medical conditions that cause excess weight.Eating proper healthy food and regular excercise should not be a battle for someone it should be the norm.

Padi that is so ignorant. Unless you have had weight issues you honestly cant speak about whether it is a battle or not. Weightloss and management is a very real battle that most irish women and men in some cases fight every single day.

Rb

TheGooner wrote:

Granted. But most of the high street stores stop at size 16 and teh point that was being made was that if stats are to be belived the majority (the obese in 2010) won't be catered for.

Well shouldn't those stats be extremely worrying so?Rather than catering for them, if the majority will be obese in 2010 then shouldn't we be doing everything possible to prevent it? Its not good to just go "oh well, most people will be obese by 2010 so may as well start catering for them now", it should be more along the lines of "wow, if it continues down this road everyone'll be obese by 2010, what can we do now to discourage or prevent this". If it means making being fat inconvenient and frowned upon, then so be it.

TheGooner wrote:

I respect yopur opinion, I really do but it really is not a tiny minority and again the whole point of the show was to raise awareness at how it will not be a tiny minority in 2010.

A tiny minority who genetically/biologically cannot lose weight. Though I'm pretty positive theres surgery available even more that. Again, if it's going to be a majority in 2010, we need to act now.
Theres no excuse to be overweight (bar medical reasons). There's gyms all over the country, sports in every school, healthy food available everywhere. We've more information about the food we eat than ever before. So really, fat people are just ignorant and lazy and I can't stress it enough that it shouldn't be accepted, nor should these figures of what it'll be like in 2010.

Rb

TheGooner wrote:

Padi that is so ignorant. Unless you have had weight issues you honestly cant speak about whether it is a battle or not. Weightloss and management is a very real battle that most irish women and men in some cases fight every single day.

I was overweight (not drastically though) when I was younger from eating too much crap food. Started eating healthily and got more exercise (even though I was already rugby training and stuff in school), made a conscious effort and the weight dropped off. As it has for many,many,many people.
It is not a battle. Deciding to not have that bar of chocolate, that packet of crisps is NOT a battle. Getting off your ass in the evening and going for a jog or taking the dogs for a half hour walk is NOT a battle. Sticking with a healthy diet and a bit of regular exercise is NOT a battle.

Huggles

rb_ie wrote:

I was overweight when I was younger from eating too much crap food. Started eating healthily and got more exercise (even though I was already rugby training and stuff in school), made a conscious effort and the weight dropped off. As it has for many,many,many people.
It is not a battle. Deciding to not have that bar of chocolate, that packet of crisps is NOT a battle. Getting off your ass in the evening and going for a jog or taking the dogs for a half hour walk is NOT a battle. Sticking with a healthy diet and a bit of regular exercise is NOT a battle.

Some people do not have your resolve.it is a battle for some people.

Huggles

rb_ie wrote:

Theres no excuse to be overweight (bar medical reasons). There's gyms all over the country, sports in every school, healthy food available everywhere. We've more information about the food we eat than ever before. So really, fat people are just ignorant and lazy and I can't stress it enough that it shouldn't be accepted, nor should these figures of what it'll be like in 2010.

I am completely appalled by that, honestly.

Rb

TheGooner wrote:

Some people do not have your resolve.it is a battle for some people.

Then said people must have very,very little self control or ambition. When trying to lose weight, the results can be seen quite quickly and work as a great motivator. If people can't stick with it long enough to see these results and gain motivation from them then they really must have little or no self control.
I mean ffs.

Rb

TheGooner wrote:

I am completely appalled by that, honestly.

It's the truth of the situation whether you want to accept it or not.

daiixi

rb_ie wrote:

e.g The average mens waist size in Ireland is 32"-34", so most clothing stores carry sizes 30"-38".
To go and cater for a small percentage of people who happen to be size 40"+ wouldn't be profitable, so it's completely understandable even from a business point of view. Besides, there's also shops such as "Mr Big" to accomodate to the above average sizes, which is more than enough catering for them.

I didn't do so well at math at school but this argument is ridiculous. The average waist size is just that, the average number when you add all the waist sizes together and divide it by the number of waists.
The figure that you need to know is the mode. In other words, the number which occurs most often.
If the public is made up of waists at 24" and 40" only (numbers pulled out of thin air for the sake of the argument), then although the average is 32"-34" the general public isn't being served.

Huggles

rb_ie wrote:

Then said people must have very,very little self control or ambition. When trying to lose weight, the results can be seen quite quickly and work as a great motivator. If people can't stick with it long enough to see these results and gain motivation from them then they really must have little or no self control.
I mean ffs.

Id love to see you 'not battle' with a 6 stone + weightloss.

I'm not commenting anymore on what you say because I will not get banned for responding to such ignorance from yourself.

Rb

daiixi wrote:

I didn't do so well at math at school but this argument is ridiculous. The average waist size is just that, the average number when you add all the waist sizes together and divide it by the number of waists.
The figure that you need to know is the mode. In other words, the number which occurs most often.
If the public is made up of waists at 24" and 40" only (numbers pulled out of thin air for the sake of the argument), then although the average is 32"-34" the general public isn't being served.

Well, I got my figures from having worked in retail and having seen the figures on paper. Not the figures for just our store, the figures for the country. The most bought size mens pants/jeans was 32"-34" and by a long shot at that. That, to me, would suggest the average man has a waist of between 32" and 34". It may not be the exact mathematical calculations, but if you want to go and take a sample size and measure them and report back with your average, go for it.
Similarly, womens average size was 12. However, I'm sure many of the larger ladies out there will dispute that to try and believe they're not that big.

BlitzKrieg

I was going to not add anymore to this thread...But I feel I must ask a few questions and leave a few comments.


1. Why is there this hate that appears to be on level with the knacker scum that stone fire stations? I swear reading some posts (Nick) that these fat people were purposely out to f*ck with your life. yes you find it distasteful, but tone it down, save that sort of anger for when its righteous against he who has f*cking wronged you. Jesus you must be so wound up. You feel disgusted by overwieght people, yeah ok fair enough, but if you release that sort of anger on them your not going to solve any problems, in alot of cases (if the belief that fat people are weak willed is correct) you going ape **** at them or writing posts like the above will just make the problem worse. To quote Fat B*sterd (oh wise one) I Eat because I'm Depressed, I'm Depressed because I eat.


Hindsight vision is a beautiful 20/20 and all is clear as sunshine. I'm overwieght, have been all my life, i know where i f*cked up and i am working on it. I didnt know I f*cked up back then. One must remember alot of Obesity starts when the person was a child and they dont know at the time the extent of the damage they are commiting on themselves. Dont wait until the damage is done to start the bloody anti-fat crusade.

You wonder why it's difficult for some fat people to deal with it. Read this f*cking thread, some of you are so abusive about it that I'd say fat people are afraid to show themselves at a gym, its easier to hide at home in front of the PC or in McDonalds.

I know I avoided alot of team sports when I was very young because I got abuse from alot of the other kids. But later one I started getting my wieght under control because I found a team sport where the other players didnt ridicule me and that helped me alot.

How many of you have actually tried to help your fat friend diet or exercise? You wouldnt believe how much it helps to have a friend there to encourage one on. Its better then calling them fat.

Discouragement, not encouragement is the way forward.

It should be both. Discourage bad habits and encourage good ones.



Back slightly on topic, I find clothes shopping difficult more for length then actual width on trousers.

Huggles

BlitzKrieg wrote:

I was going to not add anymore to this thread...But I feel I must ask a few questions and leave a few comments.


1. Why is there this hate that appears to be on level with the knacker scum that stone fire stations? I swear reading some posts (Nick) that these fat people were purposely out to f*ck with your life. yes you find it distasteful, but tone it down, save that sort of anger for when its righteous against he who has f*cking wronged you. Jesus you must be so wound up. You feel disgusted by overwieght people, yeah ok fair enough, but if you release that sort of anger on them your not going to solve any problems, in alot of cases (if the belief that fat people are weak willed is correct) you going ape **** at them or writing posts like the above will just make the problem worse. To quote Fat B*sterd (oh wise one) I Eat because I'm Depressed, I'm Depressed because I eat.


Hindsight vision is a beautiful 20/20 and all is clear as sunshine. I'm overwieght, have been all my life, i know where i f*cked up and i am working on it. I didnt know I f*cked up back then. One must remember alot of Obesity starts when the person was a child and they dont know at the time the extent of the damage they are commiting on themselves. Dont wait until the damage is done to start the bloody anti-fat crusade.

You wonder why it's difficult for some fat people to deal with it. Read this f*cking thread, some of you are so abusive about it that I'd say fat people are afraid to show themselves at a gym, its easier to hide at home in front of the PC or in McDonalds.

I know I avoided alot of team sports when I was very young because I got abuse from alot of the other kids. But later one I started getting my wieght under control because I found a team sport where the other players didnt ridicule me and that helped me alot.

How many of you have actually tried to help your fat friend diet or exercise? You wouldnt believe how much it helps to have a friend there to encourage one on. Its better then calling them fat.



It should be both. Discourage bad habits and encourage good ones.



Back slightly on topic, I find clothes shopping difficult more for length then actual width on trousers.

Thought I was on my own there for awhile. Fair play to you Blitz, I back you up 110%

The hate in here has me fuming they have no idea the damage they cause to the people on a daily basis, not the people here, like minded people elsewhere.

luckat

Fun though it is to make other people feel bad about themselves, I'll enter a small caveat here. (Well, I can fit through the door of the caveat )

Seriously.... it does no good to make people feel bad for being overweight, because *it stops them exercising*. And what they need most of all to get the weight off is to get out and walk, swim, etc.

No one is going to want to put on a bathing suit and storm up and down a pool, or put on shorts and a T-shirt and Nordic Walk around the park, if they're going to be an object of ridicule or horrified looks.

By the way, for all those people who say "I'm lucky, I'm skinny as a lath", don't depend on this lasting - menopause in women shuts off the ovaries, which gobble up fat like a pair of little factories, and you'll suddenly find yourself piling on the kilos. I don't know if there's an equivalent for men, but suspect so, looking at how middle-aged men can get middle-aged spread.

I agree with those posters who've said this is a serious societal problem and we have to deal with it. Most of the demand for hospital beds would go within years if we really took on overweight, drinking and smoking as a national issue.

BlitzKrieg

I don't know if there's an equivalent for men, but suspect so, looking at how middle-aged men can get middle-aged spread.

a office job with long hours.

Rb

BlitzKrieg wrote:

You wonder why it's difficult for some fat people to deal with it. Read this f*cking thread, some of you are so abusive about it that I'd say fat people are afraid to show themselves at a gym, its easier to hide at home in front of the PC or in McDonalds.

Ah but personally, if I saw an overweight person at the gym I'd think "good on them, hope they stick with it" 'cause I know that if they did, the boost in self-esteem they receive from it will be well worth the work they put in now. Not to mention the healthy benefits.
Whereas if I see an overweight person chomping down a McDonalds...well, I don't think so positively of them.
Furthermore, when I see a parent feeding a fat kid bad foods, I can only think negatively of them. Surely they must know what the kids going to encounter in secondary school over what they're doing to them now and a little bit of control now stops a whole load of sh1t happening the kid in the future.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

How many of you have actually tried to help your fat friend diet or exercise? You wouldnt believe how much it helps to have a friend there to encourage one on. Its better then calling them fat.

I have, it worked well and I'm happy to see them happier about themselves now.

Blitzkrieg wrote:

It should be both. Discourage bad habits and encourage good ones.

Fully agree with that, well said.

BlitzKrieg

thank you rb_ie, I was picking up the wrong impression off your earlier posts in this thread, glad to see we have the same view on how this problem should be dealt with.

TerrorFirmer

I used to a fat tub, now I'm in shape and building muscle mass nicely going to the gym every second day.

I did literally wake up one morning and think "This is going to end."

And here I am today. There was no resolve battle really, and let me tell you I do not have the best resolve - deciding to make that change is all it took.

I obviously am more or less indifferent to fat people generally speaking, I mean, obviously people are people and the notion of somone being fat affecting my opinion of them is just non existant - but I hate people who whine on about it like it's something beyond their control, its more of an excuse to convince themselves more then anything else. Try someone born with a life threatening illness, someone born blind, etc, some of the excuses for being fat - medical issues aside which, while ultra rare do exist - are so outrageous.

You can destroy yourself in 20 minutes exercise wise should you choose to - and nobody can say they are so busy that they can't spare 20 minutes a day. One excuse inevitabely leads to another, and you find yourself on the road to fatness, convincing yourself every step along the way that you aren't that big, and you'll never get that bad.

jd

Lirange wrote:

I think exercise is a more imporant variable in the equation.

It's important to eat right and eat balanced. However, you can do nothing but eat at McDonald's and still be an Adonis. As long as you work it off. .

TBH, it is easier not to eat that extra food in the first place.A slice of bread has 70 calories.

..........................................130lbs 155lbs 190lbs
Walking, 3.0 mph, mod. pace, walking dog 207 246 302


So an 11 stone man would need to walk for (70*60)/246 = 17 minutes to work off that one slice..
He would need to awim for about 6 minutes to work it off

jd

padi89

TheGooner wrote:

Padi that is so ignorant. Unless you have had weight issues you honestly cant speak about whether it is a battle or not. Weightloss and management is a very real battle that most irish women and men in some cases fight every single day.

Nothing ignorant about what i said whatsoever.If you give in to eating poorly and not taking any excercise then the only battle you will end up doing in the end will be the battle with the numerous medical conditions that come with being too heavy.I do not see how or why eating properly and maintaining excercise for good should be a battle.Weight does not and will never drop off overnight and never will but the problem is people expect to see results in days instead of weeks or months.

wyndham

Hey toots, here's an idea, stop being a fat piece of sh*t and do us all a favour and walk to work

Testify!!!
Right on!!
Not. You are looking at her as a lower life form?

abetarrush

IMHO

Theres nothing wrong with being fat, but theres nothin right about it either

Anyone fat should do their best to get in shape, and at the same time they shudnt get a hard time off others for their size

red_ice

BlitzKrieg wrote:

most likely it was designed to take the p*ss out of fat people without actually being blunt about it (in the same way they do those shows about chavs)

Not at all, it was a very fair show imo - and it was presented by a chap would would crush you if you looked at him wrong. He sounded like a mob boss.

exiztone wrote:

Yeah, I watched that last night, it was laughable. The woman who wanted to buy a Jaguar looked a few weeks away from a triple bypass. They were complaining that there should be fat toilets, fat rollercoasters, fashionable fat clothes etc... well being morbidly obese isn't healthy so I don't think society should promote it and accept it as normal. We need to fight obesity, not cater to it!

And like the original poster said, if we start making facilities for larger people, we're discriminating against healthy thin people. There's no sense in that. So yeah, I agree with the show title, f*ck off, you're fat, and I'm not going to alter my ways for you.

That exactly my point (- the "fo your fat comment").

esskay - best of luck mate, hope all goes well!

TheGooner wrote:

You have the basics right but the main point of this show was to ask how will Britain will deal with the growing numbers of Obese in the future. If you listen closely he says 'How will Britain Cope'.

I know, my choise of wording last night was very straight forward because i was in utter shock at the program. Britan will cope with the growing numbers when the numbers get out of hand i suppose... just like ireland.

TheGooner wrote:

TBH I don't think the people involved were moaning about being fat at all instead they allowed the presenter to use them to show how fat-unfriendly the UK is. He wants to know what is going to be done if stats are to be believed.

Did you see the part where they were in the park? 'tut, i cant go on this', 'tut, its too small', 'tut ill break this'. Now the bigger black lady was very kind about it and told them all to enjoy and so on... but the others were being utter gimps about it. This is the problem, why should things change because of a minority group of people? Im shocked at the replies on these boards from people basicly saying 'if your fat its your own fault' and 'im fat its my fault tho'. Its just proving the point that if they want to partake in these particular activities that they should put the work in to get it - the same with everthing else in life, why should we change things to meet 'their' needs that could possibly jepordise the health and safety of heatly people? IMO that show was basicly saying lets make things bigger, and this way we can let smaller people see what its all about. Big people always pick on smaller people

TheGooner wrote:

Another issue was raised here and the Irish women will agree here. The ladies on the show wanted to know why the larger sizes in the high street store where so frumpy.

I think thats to complement the figures as best they can. Im sure you saw the teenagers that went shopping? He asked them to pick out an outfit that they would like to have, regardless of size? She picked out a feckin belt skirt! The thing was tinchy! No offence to anyone of that size, but thats a SERIOUS no.

TheGooner wrote:

There are larger people out there and guess what they have money too! The whole point of the show was to say...lets be 50/50 here, not only cater for the fat or the skinny exclusively.

Yea, and thats a very fair point, but is the fat to skinny ratio 1:1 tho? No, its not. Its more like 2:10, and dispite what was said about 'the growing number of fat people' i think its BS that the population is getting Bigger. If anything its getting smaller. Anorexic role models such as that utter fool posh spice are helping with this trend.

TheGooner wrote:

I think i can give a fair opinion here as I was grossly overweight myself last year, a result of a desk job and giving up sports I played from college. I know what a hell it can be to be over weight, its like a prison sentence. I lost the weight and got my life back but there are genuine cases of obesity out there and the people cannot lose the weight for one reason or another.

Well done, a pat on the back and fair play. Your the perfect example of someone who cares about his weight. So why is it different for the other people that are over weight? If everyone that was over weight had your motivation then the fat:skinny ratio gets into an even more insane proportion. Then that show would have been a total waste of time. Granted there are medical issues that can cause weight issues, but its mainly caused by being lazy or eating too much. Take the chap that was presenting the show for example... he was eating kebabs every second scene for gods sake!

TheGooner wrote:

Surely these people should be allowed lead there lives too?

of course, but they should learn to endulge in moderation! Im absolutly amazed at the way this post has taken off. i stopped reading all the posts after TheGooners posts because i've got to go out now! Ill catch up later

Pocari Sweat

fade_to_grey wrote:

So?


Stats from where?


There is a difference between being of a bigger build and being overweight.


Excess body fat is NOT genetic, it arises from consuming more then you burn off.

Very sloppy, lazy work there fade_to_grey, ye fat git, are ye forgetting the most important part of the quote ;

Pocari wrote:

Maybe on some of the big roller coaster rides in the future, there will be a half way stop, drive-thru McDonalds, to give the punters a boost.

Huggles

red_ice wrote:

Did you see the part where they were in the park? 'tut, i cant go on this', 'tut, its too small', 'tut ill break this'. Now the bigger black lady was very kind about it and told them all to enjoy and so on... but the others were being utter gimps about it. This is the problem, why should things change because of a minority group of people? Im shocked at the replies on these boards from people basicly saying 'if your fat its your own fault' and 'im fat its my fault tho'. Its just proving the point that if they want to partake in these particular activities that they should put the work in to get it - the same with everthing else in life, why should we change things to meet 'their' needs that could possibly jepordise the health and safety of heatly people? IMO that show was basicly saying lets make things bigger, and this way we can let smaller people see what its all about. Big people always pick on smaller people

What I thought the point was here was that the 'fat people' paid the same amount into the parks and couldn't fit on most of the rides. So therefore should be charged a lesser price or get money back?

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Well done, a pat on the back and fair play. Your the perfect example of someone who cares about his weight. So why is it different for the other people that are over weight? If everyone that was over weight had your motivation then the fat:skinny ratio gets into an even more insane proportion. Then that show would have been a total waste of time. Granted there are medical issues that can cause weight issues, but its mainly caused by being lazy or eating too much. Take the chap that was presenting the show for example... he was eating kebabs every second scene for gods sake!
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Cheers, I am a girl though not a he.

TBH I feel this thread has turned into an anti-fat thread and I am very disappointed.

I was enjoying the debate but all the hatred towards fat people has brought back very bad memeories. Its an awful shame that people treat other people in such a way.

I'd just ask people to think before they point and stare.

Karl Hungus

I think something people here have missed is that alcohol is a big factor. Personally, I excersize, I walk all the time, the thought of McDonalds disgusts me, but I drink.

I was always this skinny bastard untill I started drinking. Now I've got this beer gut. Hey, I'm not obese by any means, I'm 16 stone, I've never encountered any problems or so-called discrimination in every day life, and I've no problem finding clothes that fit in regular high street shops.

I don't know would people call me fat as such, there's a pic of me here, and I'll let you make up your own minds. But there's no getting around it, I've got a beer gut.

Anywho, my point is, it's all well and good saying "Stop eating junk!" but that's certainly not the only factor. What about obese people who are alcoholics?

Huggles

Karl Hungus wrote:

I think something people here have missed is that alcohol is a big factor. Personally, I excersize, I walk all the time, the thought of McDonalds disgusts me, but I drink.

I was always this skinny bastard untill I started drinking. Now I've got this beer gut. Hey, I'm not obese by any means, I'm 16 stone, I've never encountered any problems or so-called discrimination in every day life, and I've no problem finding clothes that fit in regular high street shops.

I don't know would people call me fat as such, there's a pic of me here, and I'll let you make up your own minds. But there's no getting around it, I've got a beer gut.

Anywho, my point is, it's all well and good saying "Stop eating junk!" but that's certainly not the only factor. What about obese people who are alcoholics?

Not to mention women that have had children that can't shift the weight, women with hormone problems, men that like the gargle, women that like the gargle. People that have quit smoking. People that have commitments in there lives that just dont allow them time to excersise, Im catering for women who work and have kids also.

There are so many factors attributing to this epidemic and to the people shouting 'stop eating junk food' wise up.

Pocari Sweat

Do the social classes and peer pressure have an effect on weight?

If you are on the dole and living on a rough housing estate, say in Dublin and the pizza place is just handy round the corner, and there is just too much good telly to watch, would this have an effect, say compared to if you lived in an up and coming suberb of Dublin, D4 is it? Ballsbridge etc, and you are studying in uni and are out on adventure weekends with posh mates doing paintball and going off to play badminton and squash and fatness is looked down upon amongst all yer mates.

Who will be the fattest here then?

Pigman II

You look fat to me. But that's cool anyway. People come in all shapes and sizes. We gotta just get on with it. Most people don't care either way how you look as they are too wrapped up in their own little lives to spend much time thinking about others. Like the OP pointed out the shops weren't stopping fat people coming in. It was essentially the fat people themselves making an issue about it.

Pocari Sweat

What is the fatness level that goes from fat to obesity.

I'm not as fat as I am by the way.

If you are 15 stone is that well fat and podgey or is it well fat at 18 stone?

20 stone is definitely proper fat and up to 30 stone there is some serious issues I think.

Birds, with cracking, cracking figures and cracking boobs, that are 10 or 11 stone I reckon are well fit. But a lot of these at this weight think they are dying of obesity and want to commit suicide, when all they need is a good shagging, that would lose them a few pounds, but be careful it doesn't come off the boobs, thats when diets have to stop, cut that nonsense out now!

BlitzKrieg

Do the social classes and peer pressure have an effect on weight?

It could in the quality of the food one buys, the dirt cheap euroshopper price products tend (esp the meats) to have alot more fat in them.


Another thing i read somewhere was that not getting enough sleep can affect your weight aswell.

Pigman II

What is the fatness level that goes from fat to obesity.

Isn't the rough guide the BMI?
>25 = Fat
>30 = Obese
or something like that.

but be careful it doesn't come off the boobs, thats when diets have to stop, cut that nonsense out now!

Yep that's the worst one. No matter how much you say it they're gonna try lose it even tho they already have it going on exactly how you want it.

SpAcEd OuT

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Do the social classes and peer pressure have an effect on weight?

If you are on the dole and living on a rough housing estate, say in Dublin and the pizza place is just handy round the corner, and there is just too much good telly to watch, would this have an effect, say compared to if you lived in an up and coming suberb of Dublin, D4 is it? Ballsbridge etc, and you are studying in uni and are out on adventure weekends with posh mates doing paintball and going off to play badminton and squash and fatness is looked down upon amongst all yer mates.

Who will be the fattest here then?

I doubt it, theres nothing stopping the people on the dole to play a bit of sport and eat healthily no ones forcing them to eat in the pizza place around the corner, no ones forcing them to watch the telly all the time when they can go for a jog, play some soccer etc. in fact seeing as they're on the dole they should be more healthy as they will most likely have more time to be able to exercise than someone who lives in a posh area and works all the time or has college

Rb

TheGooner wrote:

Not to mention women that have had children that can't shift the weight, women with hormone problems, men that like the gargle, women that like the gargle. People that have quit smoking. People that have commitments in there lives that just dont allow them time to excersise, Im catering for women who work and have kids also.

There are so many factors attributing to this epidemic and to the people shouting 'stop eating junk food' wise up.

Just like to point out to you, you asked that I show you someone who dropped 6+ stone and didn't consider it a battle. Well, HaVoK dropped five and if you read his posts he said it was in no means a battle.

Anything I've read of yours so far has just come off like a fat chick trying whos now slimmed up but still has the mentality of one.
Go on, make more excuses.

"People who have quit smoking" - I'm quitting smoking and acknowledge the fact that I could put on weight IF I'M NOT CAREFUL. I think most smokers are fully aware of this and to use it as an excuse for putting on a load of weight after quitting is just, yet another, excuse.

"People that have commitments that just don't allow them time to excercise" - STOP MAKING EXCUSES. As has been pointed out in this thread, everyone has free time during the day, 20 minutes or half an hour of walking or jogging would go a long way. Yet another excuse.

"Women that have had children and can't shift the weight" - EXCUSE. I personally know many women who've had kids and they're in great shape. They put a little work in after everything had settled down after the births and got themselves back in shape. Yet another excuse.

So far, you've only acknowledged posts that go along with your line of thinking.

Regarding the alcohol, yes, alcohol causes weight gain. Karl hungus is in no way obese, if he wants to lose this beer belly he talked about he knows what he has to do. If he doesn't want to forfeit the drink and is happy with the gut, so be it.

Oh and don't just say "men that like the gargle" btw, there's plenty of women with beer bellys out there.