Anti Dublin Sentiment

Big Kay

Ok firstly apologises if this post is repeating whats probably been discussed before on this forum, Im new to this board and haven't got time to read through all the posts. Im not a die hard GAA fan, I enjoy the championship and love the sport, Im proud to see Croke Park full for a GAA match and think its great to see families and fans from opposing sides walking together toward Croke Park with little or no trouble. That said I was genuinely shocked at the strong undertone of anti -Dublin sentiment which was expressed by the panel in the lead up to yesterdays game on RTE. In particular Michael Lysters patronising and mocking impression of the Dublin accent when he copied a young Dublin fans comments on Dublin "Milling Mayo". The comment wasn't made in jest it was done in a mocking manner. Another member of the panel (sorry I cant remember his name but he had a northern accent) replied by saying he couldnt be expected to have any support for Dublin. Again if this was all done in a lighhearted manner thats OK, after all its healthy competition but I didnt get that impression at all and as far as Im aware neither of them are from Mayo. After the game coments from Kieran McDonald about the incident before the game when Dublin kicked balls into the Hill end despite Mayo warming up saying "Thats Dublin for you" were in my book unfair. I think Mayo thoroughly deserved to win the game and Im glad for them but is it just me or does the whole country cheer against Dublin no matter who their playing?

Blackjack

Big Kay wrote:

Ok firstly apologises if this post is repeating whats probably been discussed before on this forum, Im new to this board and haven't got time to read through all the posts. Im not a die hard GAA fan, I enjoy the championship and love the sport, Im proud to see Croke Park full for a GAA match and think its great to see families and fans from opposing sides walking together toward Croke Park with little or no trouble. That said I was genuinely shocked at the strong undertone of anti -Dublin sentiment which was expressed by the panel in the lead up to yesterdays game on RTE. In particular Michael Lysters patronising and mocking impression of the Dublin accent when he copied a young Dublin fans comments on Dublin "Milling Mayo". The comment wasn't made in jest it was done in a mocking manner. Another member of the panel (sorry I cant remember his name but he had a northern accent) replied by saying he couldnt be expected to have any support for Dublin. Again if this was all done in a lighhearted manner thats OK, after all its healthy competition but I didnt get that impression at all and as far as Im aware neither of them are from Mayo. After the game coments from Kieran McDonald about the incident before the game when Dublin kicked balls into the Hill end despite Mayo warming up saying "Thats Dublin for you" were in my book unfair. I think Mayo thoroughly deserved to win the game and Im glad for them but is it just me or does the whole country cheer against Dublin no matter who their playing?

While there's no doubting that there is an anti dublin Sentiment, this is largely a fault of the media and the hype surounding Dublin, and also how there is a (perceived or not) that Croke Park (in particular Hill16) belongs to Dublin and Dublin only. Just look at how it was all written to be a Dublin Kerry final, and how the Dubs were insistent on practicing into the hill yesterday.

Croke Park does not belong to Dublin any more than any other county, and Mayo have as much right to practise in that end of the pitch if they want to, even more when they won the toss and selected to play from that side of the pitch. That the Dublin team decided that they would practise in the same end is daftness in the extreme, and Caffrey shoulder charging Morrison, well, perhaps that is Dublin for you.

From a Mayo perspective, we were written off before the game even started (by all commentators with the exception of Lyster who always remains neutral anyway), so I would not read too much into what those commentators have to say. As for Michael Lyster taking off the Dublin accent, I don't think it was meant as mocking, but you are entitled to think that, but I don't believe it was.

Kerry and Meath are probably equally disliked if not more so by a number of GAA fans, particularly Mayo. It's a rather healthy rivalry, and you don't see mass riots or fights among the supporters (you may see a few during the game, but that's the physical nature of the game) regardless of who's playing and the rivalry between them. That is what sets GAA apart from other sports, Soccer in particular. I've seen the Policing arrangements that need to be undertaken at soccer games in the UK, and To be honest you need more stewarding at a game that will only have 17,000 than you would for a full house in Croke Park.

lukin

First of all, it was Conor Mortimer that made those remarks on The Sunday Game , not Ciaran McDonald and I wouldn't take too much notice if I were you, he likes to wind people up.
I would say you are right, the whole country does cheer against Dublin no matter who their playing. It's because most of the print media is Dublin-based and loves them, so the rest of the country are sick to the back teeth of them being hyped-up.

monosharp

Big Kay wrote:

Ok firstly apologises if this post is repeating whats probably been discussed before on this forum, Im new to this board and haven't got time to read through all the posts. Im not a die hard GAA fan, I enjoy the championship and love the sport, Im proud to see Croke Park full for a GAA match and think its great to see families and fans from opposing sides walking together toward Croke Park with little or no trouble. That said I was genuinely shocked at the strong undertone of anti -Dublin sentiment which was expressed by the panel in the lead up to yesterdays game on RTE. In particular Michael Lysters patronising and mocking impression of the Dublin accent when he copied a young Dublin fans comments on Dublin "Milling Mayo". The comment wasn't made in jest it was done in a mocking manner. Another member of the panel (sorry I cant remember his name but he had a northern accent) replied by saying he couldnt be expected to have any support for Dublin. Again if this was all done in a lighhearted manner thats OK, after all its healthy competition but I didnt get that impression at all and as far as Im aware neither of them are from Mayo. After the game coments from Kieran McDonald about the incident before the game when Dublin kicked balls into the Hill end despite Mayo warming up saying "Thats Dublin for you" were in my book unfair. I think Mayo thoroughly deserved to win the game and Im glad for them but is it just me or does the whole country cheer against Dublin no matter who their playing?

If anything the panel was pro-dub. Brolly and O'Rouke more or less said Mayo should tuck their tail and go to the canal end and let the dubs have the hill. Neither of them gave Mayo a chance.

McDonald was perfectly right in saying that, what right do Dublin have to come down to the end Mayo is warming up at and try and force them out ?

magpie

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

monosharp

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

Are you mad ? For matches dublin are playing in, do you honestly think 50,000+ Dub fans are going to trek to Athlone ? Half of them wouldn't set foot outside the pale nevermind go to Athlone.

Blackjack

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

Perhaps Landsdowne Road could be moved to Athlone also, so that it would be easier for the rest of the population to travel to for Soccer and Rugby Internationals.

Wishbone Ash

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

It's much easier to get to Dublin than the midlands and it is our capital city. Who on earth would want to go to Athlone?

magpie

OK, its just me then.

The idea of culchie-free Sundays quite appealed to me though....

Avns1s

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

You're absolutely right. Its where the money which was spent redeveloping Croke Park should have been spent, developing a new stadium with proper access and facilities NOT in a built up area with residents complaining if it's used for a rock concert. If the Dubs don't want to come out to it, well that's just fine. More tickets for the rest of us!

Jaden

monosharp wrote:

Half of them wouldn't set foot outside the pale nevermind go to Athlone.

Two small points to make.

1. Longford in the opening round.

2. Belclare - Tuam - Barnaderg - Dysart - Mountbellew - Ballyforan - Athlone - Moate - Kilbeggan - Tyrellspass - Rochfort Bridge - Kinnegad - Dublin.

This is the route I take *every* time I go and see the Dubs play in Croker.

STFU.

Dapos

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

Ah no i think since Dublin is capital Corker is in perfect spot. Anyway croke park is GAA headquarters. There are good pitches around the country too sure. What i think is annoying in a way is the way basically once the provincle championships are complete the rest of the all ireland is played in croke park. We should have the quarter-finals outside croke park (unless it suits the teams, or if dublin are playing etc). Sure a championship shouldn't be played in one stadium.

monosharp

Jaden wrote:

Two small points to make.

1. Longford in the opening round.

2. Belclare - Tuam - Barnaderg - Dysart - Mountbellew - Ballyforan - Athlone - Moate - Kilbeggan - Tyrellspass - Rochfort Bridge - Kinnegad - Dublin.

This is the route I take *every* time I go and see the Dubs play in Croker.

STFU.

What is your point ? I didn't say you didn't go, i didn't say no dublin fans go.

Jaden

Let me explain further (and use small words so that the message is not lost).

1. The first point is that every county in Ireland would have more supporters at a home game than an away one. There is not one iota of evidence to suggest that Dublin fans are any less likely to travel than any other county. Given that the majority of Dublin games are played in Dublin, then it stands to reason that Dubs should travel less than most counties (they're simply not accustomed to it). However, this is simply a biased makey-uppy-fact that does the rounds every one in a while - there is no supporting evidence to back it up.

The Longford games proved the inverse of this "fact". Dub supporters outnumbered the local support.

2. Not every Dublin supporter lives in the Shadow of Croker. Some of us, and I am not alone, have to make the long trek to Dublin for every home game.

Sticking in vague generalisations about Dublin fans, while blatently ignoring the fact that the same behaviour is displayed by virtually all county supporters is simply Dub-bashing. Fair enough, but at least have the spine to call it as it is.

STFU x 2.

MGrah

Blackjack wrote:

Croke Park does not belong to Dublin any more than any other county, and Mayo have as much right to practise in that end of the pitch if they want to, even more when they won the toss and selected to play from that side of the pitch. That the Dublin team decided that they would practise in the same end is daftness in the extreme, and Caffrey shoulder charging Morrison, well, perhaps that is Dublin for you.

Sometimes the things people make up to back themselves up when posting on message boards is incredible. The toss took place on pitch after both teams had already gone out to warm up. I only wish that some of the Dublin players had taken Caffrey's lead. This thing of going on about how Mayo have the right to warm up at the Hill end is just pathetic. Nah Nah Nah, doesn't belong to you blah blah blah. Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what would happen next (a la Armagh in 99 only at least that time the Dubs tore into them properly). I could respect Mayo players/supporters if they just said yep, we tried to psyche them out, rather than the stupid crap of 'it's our right'. Actually I'd admire the Mayo players for having the steel to wind up the crowd.
As for Mortimor's comments on TSG last night, he went a long way down in my estimation (not that he gives a you know what). Walking off the pitch after such a great game, and having no respect for the opposition really does nothing for the man. The fact is that Dublin left that game behind them on the pitch, and CM would do better to realise that than to start getting ideas.

As for the others posting about Dublin fans not travelling? Sure Mayo, Laois, Cork and Kerry couldn't fill Croke Park between them for an AI Semi/Quarter final last week. Contrast that to any games the Dubs have played away from Croker over the last few years, the old games in Navan in the early 90's thurles in 2001, Carlow in 2002, Clones in 2003, Longford this year. I would say every time Dublin had further to travel and brought more supporters. Laois being the best example of a supposed 'well supported' team. Couldn't even fill O'Moore Park for a game against their biggest rivals, but when it was the Dubs in Croker there were loads of them.

And as for the media hype, that's the biggest myth there's ever been. The only thing hyped up about the Dublin football team is the hype that supposedly surrounds them. I have yet to see one person actually give a reference to where this hype actually exists.

Yesterday I left Croke Park thinking fair play to Mayo, great comeback, proved us all wrong about lacking bottle, and about their ability to play in a physical encounter. After hearing the comments coming from Mayo players (Mortimor really) and some supporters, I think I'll actually buy a Kerry shirt before the final. I think I might even get myself a ticket (hopefully one that was supposed to go to Mayo).

event

MGrah wrote:

Sometimes the things people make up to back themselves up when posting on message boards is incredible. The toss took place on pitch after both teams had already gone out to warm up. I only wish that some of the Dublin players had taken Caffrey's lead. This thing of going on about how Mayo have the right to warm up at the Hill end is just pathetic. Nah Nah Nah, doesn't belong to you blah blah blah. Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what would happen next (a la Armagh in 99 only at least that time the Dubs tore into them properly). I could respect Mayo players/supporters if they just said yep, we tried to psyche them out, rather than the stupid crap of 'it's our right'. Actually I'd admire the Mayo players for having the steel to wind up the crowd.

except they do have the right to warm up there

what is wrong with them warming up in the hill end?

thirdmantackle

Dub supporters outnumbered the local support

cause they demanded more tickets, Longford obliged them, and nearly beat them...

Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing

it worked. The Dubs were cat in the first 15 minutes. Quinn hadn't his freetaking practiced and Pillar was more interested in shouldering the opposition's management that concentrating on getting his team foccused

fair play to them

Lemlin

MGrah wrote:

Sometimes the things people make up to back themselves up when posting on message boards is incredible. The toss took place on pitch after both teams had already gone out to warm up. I only wish that some of the Dublin players had taken Caffrey's lead. This thing of going on about how Mayo have the right to warm up at the Hill end is just pathetic. Nah Nah Nah, doesn't belong to you blah blah blah. Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what would happen next (a la Armagh in 99 only at least that time the Dubs tore into them properly). I could respect Mayo players/supporters if they just said yep, we tried to psyche them out, rather than the stupid crap of 'it's our right'. Actually I'd admire the Mayo players for having the steel to wind up the crowd.
As for Mortimor's comments on TSG last night, he went a long way down in my estimation (not that he gives a you know what). Walking off the pitch after such a great game, and having no respect for the opposition really does nothing for the man. The fact is that Dublin left that game behind them on the pitch, and CM would do better to realise that than to start getting ideas.

Dublin left nothing behind them. Mayo beat them by playing better football. Dublin only got back into the game in the first half by getting Ciara Whelan to close-hang Ronan McGarrity. They should of been down to 14 men for the rest of the game.

As for Mortimer, he talked the truth. Why should Mayo let the Dubs practice in front of the Hill? They were out first and, as mentioned, they warmed up there for the last two games.

Why should he respect opposition who have a player who could of seriously injured his team mate? I know I wouldn't.

As for the others posting about Dublin fans not travelling? Sure Mayo, Laois, Cork and Kerry couldn't fill Croke Park between them for an AI Semi/Quarter final last week. Contrast that to any games the Dubs have played away from Croker over the last few years, the old games in Navan in the early 90's thurles in 2001, Carlow in 2002, Clones in 2003, Longford this year. I would say every time Dublin had further to travel and brought more supporters. Laois being the best example of a supposed 'well supported' team. Couldn't even fill O'Moore Park for a game against their biggest rivals, but when it was the Dubs in Croker there were loads of them.

Compare the population of Dublin to that of Laois and other counties.

And as for the media hype, that's the biggest myth there's ever been. The only thing hyped up about the Dublin football team is the hype that supposedly surrounds them. I have yet to see one person actually give a reference to where this hype actually exists.

Plenty of people talk about the hype surrounding Dublin. You mustn't listen alot or read this forum. There was a full topic on it a while ago.

Yesterday I left Croke Park thinking fair play to Mayo, great comeback, proved us all wrong about lacking bottle, and about their ability to play in a physical encounter. After hearing the comments coming from Mayo players (Mortimor really) and some supporters, I think I'll actually buy a Kerry shirt before the final. I think I might even get myself a ticket (hopefully one that was supposed to go to Mayo).

He was right to give those comments. What's wrong with him winding up the opposition? His entire team had been written off before the ball was even thrown up. If he wants to gloat now, I say let him.

Dapos

MGrah wrote:

Sometimes the things people make up to back themselves up when posting on message boards is incredible. The toss took place on pitch after both teams had already gone out to warm up. I only wish that some of the Dublin players had taken Caffrey's lead. This thing of going on about how Mayo have the right to warm up at the Hill end is just pathetic. Nah Nah Nah, doesn't belong to you blah blah blah. Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what would happen next (a la Armagh in 99 only at least that time the Dubs tore into them properly). I could respect Mayo players/supporters if they just said yep, we tried to psyche them out, rather than the stupid crap of 'it's our right'. Actually I'd admire the Mayo players for having the steel to wind up the crowd.
As for Mortimor's comments on TSG last night, he went a long way down in my estimation (not that he gives a you know what). Walking off the pitch after such a great game, and having no respect for the opposition really does nothing for the man. The fact is that Dublin left that game behind them on the pitch, and CM would do better to realise that than to start getting ideas.

As for the others posting about Dublin fans not travelling? Sure Mayo, Laois, Cork and Kerry couldn't fill Croke Park between them for an AI Semi/Quarter final last week. Contrast that to any games the Dubs have played away from Croker over the last few years, the old games in Navan in the early 90's thurles in 2001, Carlow in 2002, Clones in 2003, Longford this year. I would say every time Dublin had further to travel and brought more supporters. Laois being the best example of a supposed 'well supported' team. Couldn't even fill O'Moore Park for a game against their biggest rivals, but when it was the Dubs in Croker there were loads of them.

And as for the media hype, that's the biggest myth there's ever been. The only thing hyped up about the Dublin football team is the hype that supposedly surrounds them. I have yet to see one person actually give a reference to where this hype actually exists.

Yesterday I left Croke Park thinking fair play to Mayo, great comeback, proved us all wrong about lacking bottle, and about their ability to play in a physical encounter. After hearing the comments coming from Mayo players (Mortimor really) and some supporters, I think I'll actually buy a Kerry shirt before the final. I think I might even get myself a ticket (hopefully one that was supposed to go to Mayo).

I disagree with a lot of wat u said in that post. If dublin had followed Caffrey's lead we may have had a riot and who knows wat may of happened then. Mayo were out first and picked the hill, fair enough they picked it just to stir things but they had the right. Wat about dublin marching down in a group to the same side and kicking around. anything to say about that. Conor mortimer was foolish saying wat he did considering they had won. But he did walk off pitch arm in arm with dublin goal keeper.

Please don't go on about kerry cork mayo and laois supporters numbers we have had enough of that talk and also i think it is unfair to give out about dublin supporters traveling and a lot of it is horse s***.

On a final note there is media hype due to tabloids etc but as has been stated it is because of tabloids trying to make money and it is unfortuate to the dublin team and the dublin fans.

walshb

I have to agree with the original poster. I love the GAA and I too am not a real die hard fan. To be honest, watching the Dubs depresses me (and I'm a DUB), due to the standard of their play, wide, wide, wide, wide, oh a score-that will do mentality. But I put it down purely to jealousy because Dublin in the nations capital and the likes Of say Cork just an't handle this. It applies in every walk of life, not just sport and to be honest it's quite annoying at times. I suppose the best remedy is to take it 'with a pinch' of salt and smile

Culchie

MGrah wrote:

The fact is that Dublin left that game behind them on the pitch, and CM would do better to realise that than to start getting ideas.

LMAO ... Dublin were on top for 11 minutes of the 74 .... did you actually see the game?

I had my hand shook last night from more Dublin people than the day I got married ..... and not one Dublin person thought Mayo didn't deserve to win.

But as Tayto ads says.... There's always one.:rolleyes:

cooperguy

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

Its just you. Dublin is the capital, the headquarters of the Gaa, the traditional home of the last games of the championship, the easiest to get to with an infrastructure that can handle the crowds and where every GAA player aspires to play.

And of coarse mayo should have warmed up in front of the hill. they were out first and it would be madness to just give dublin the advantage of having 20,000 screaming you on (cause if that doesnt get you fired up nothing will)

Blackjack

MGrah wrote:

Sometimes the things people make up to back themselves up when posting on message boards is incredible. The toss took place on pitch after both teams had already gone out to warm up. I only wish that some of the Dublin players had taken Caffrey's lead. This thing of going on about how Mayo have the right to warm up at the Hill end is just pathetic. Nah Nah Nah, doesn't belong to you blah blah blah. Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what would happen next (a la Armagh in 99 only at least that time the Dubs tore into them properly). I could respect Mayo players/supporters if they just said yep, we tried to psyche them out, rather than the stupid crap of 'it's our right'. Actually I'd admire the Mayo players for having the steel to wind up the crowd.
As for Mortimor's comments on TSG last night, he went a long way down in my estimation (not that he gives a you know what). Walking off the pitch after such a great game, and having no respect for the opposition really does nothing for the man. The fact is that Dublin left that game behind them on the pitch, and CM would do better to realise that than to start getting ideas.

As for the others posting about Dublin fans not travelling? Sure Mayo, Laois, Cork and Kerry couldn't fill Croke Park between them for an AI Semi/Quarter final last week. Contrast that to any games the Dubs have played away from Croker over the last few years, the old games in Navan in the early 90's thurles in 2001, Carlow in 2002, Clones in 2003, Longford this year. I would say every time Dublin had further to travel and brought more supporters. Laois being the best example of a supposed 'well supported' team. Couldn't even fill O'Moore Park for a game against their biggest rivals, but when it was the Dubs in Croker there were loads of them.

And as for the media hype, that's the biggest myth there's ever been. The only thing hyped up about the Dublin football team is the hype that supposedly surrounds them. I have yet to see one person actually give a reference to where this hype actually exists.

Yesterday I left Croke Park thinking fair play to Mayo, great comeback, proved us all wrong about lacking bottle, and about their ability to play in a physical encounter. After hearing the comments coming from Mayo players (Mortimor really) and some supporters, I think I'll actually buy a Kerry shirt before the final. I think I might even get myself a ticket (hopefully one that was supposed to go to Mayo).

Ok, so they were out first, and got to choose which side they wanted to practice into. That OK for you now?.

Mortimer can say what he likes - and as regards sportsmanship, you clearly did not see him walking off the pitch with the Dublin keeper. As for his comments, well what do you expect when Dublin (I'll refer to the Managers actions specifically) reacted they way they did?.

Yavvy

oh the poor Dubs everyone hates us... "did you here about the dub with the inferiority complex ? ...he thought there might be someone as good as him" .
get over the complex and relax. Its good to be a dub.

dont worry about anti dub sentiment. That comes with the mantal of being the captial city, We are different than the culchies and we all the better for it.... There is no malice in the rivialry .. or very little and besides we are big boys we can take it.

look at it this way, I'ed rather be a dub than a royal !

besides all that, I think you might be suirprised at how many people like us. As long as your grown up to like them.

For my part Im Irish I like all Irish people and Gaa suporters...tho Meath do stretch my patience a tad.

Aido c

Its not Hype, its not a myth or some big conspiracy!

The simple fact remains that the bulk of this country's media are based in Dublin, The bulk of that media's target market (i.e. people) are also based in Dublin. So there is always the danger that Dublin will get talked up over an and above their weight.

The opposite is equally true, Mayo than fall out of focus. That was insane, Mayo have contested 4 all ireland finals since '96 and they were not given a look in the last day by the media. Because face it, sports writers will tell you or their target audience what they want to hear.

This is not a GAA thing, its a Dublin thing, look at Leinster V. Munster last year. Leinster were carried away on a wave of hype that they had the best try scorer's. They did, but it was so flagged by the media that these guys (as if Munster had to be reminded anyway) never got a look in.

Compared to this Dublin punched alot closer to their weight than Leinster.

The Rooster

Culchie wrote:

LMAO ... Dublin were on top for 11 minutes of the 74 .... did you actually see the game?

Thats not really fair culchie.

Dublin were one point up after 34 minutes. If Dublin were only on top for those 11 second half minutes, how were they ahead?

According to the stats Dublin created 34 scoring chances overall. Mayo created 26. That suggests Dublin were on top for longer than Mayo. The difference was the Mayo's shooting was far better.

According to the papers yesterday Dublin hit woodwork 5 times (I only remember 4 myself, but the points the same) and didnt get a score from any of them. That suggests a tad bit of bad luck.

Mayo put in a great performance, some say their best performance ever, they won by a point and nobody begrudges them. But if someone had the opinion that had Dublin snatched an equaliser it would not have been undeserved, it would be a reasonable opinion to hold. Some would agree, some wouldnt.

kippy

Jaysus,
First things first,
Coverage/animosity
Mayo people show just as much, if not more, animosity towards Kerry and Meath-because of our history with both teams.
The fact that many people dislike Dublin is the amount of hype and media coverage they get-granted, the media, to a large extent, and the majority of their consumers are based in Dublin so I suppose it is understandable that they get so much coverage. However, the problem is, the hype. They are always hyped up by the media with endless column inches dedicated to them-most of which is utter nonsense. Some of the fans have a relatively narrow outlook on the game, preferring to focus more on the Hill debacle, more that the Ciaran Whelan incident, which had far more impact on the game.

The Hill-
Its pretty obvious that Mayo were the first team out on the pitch. If Dublin wanted to warm up in front of the hill they should have come out first. (Dublin might I add, were also very late coming out for the second half)
Whether or not Mayo intended to "mess" up Dublins prematch preperations intentionally is irrevalent. Dublin did as much to mess up Mayos match by intentionally taking out Ronan McGarrity-which might I add was a turning point in the game.
Whats worse, a bit of mental messing around before the game or intentionally trying to injure another player during it? This is also why some people dont like dublin or the attitude of SOME of their supporters.
Anyway as mentioned earlier on this thread Mayo have as much right to warm up there as anyone else. If such an incident can be deemed to have had such an inpact on the Dublin team you can be sure that you will see a lot more of "hill hogging" next year by other teams that come to Croker to play them.


Scoring chances-
On the day, Mayo were the better team, they too had their goal chances and missed some easy points-they had some great performances and some great luck. Luck-something Mayo could do with more of. Hopefully we have the same amount against Kerry the next day and the preformances of the players stay the same. On another day Dublin would have won this match, on Sunday it was Mayo who had the run of the ball.
As they say, there is only one statistic that counts.
This game shouldnt be the highlight of the year for Mayo, lets hope it is not.

Carcharodon

MGrah wrote:

Sometimes the things people make up to back themselves up when posting on message boards is incredible. The toss took place on pitch after both teams had already gone out to warm up. I only wish that some of the Dublin players had taken Caffrey's lead. This thing of going on about how Mayo have the right to warm up at the Hill end is just pathetic. Nah Nah Nah, doesn't belong to you blah blah blah. Fact is the Mayo players decided to try and wind the Dublin players up by heading for the Hill end, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew exactly what would happen next (a la Armagh in 99 only at least that time the Dubs tore into them properly). I could respect Mayo players/supporters if they just said yep, we tried to psyche them out, rather than the stupid crap of 'it's our right'. Actually I'd admire the Mayo players for having the steel to wind up the crowd.
As for Mortimor's comments on TSG last night, he went a long way down in my estimation (not that he gives a you know what). Walking off the pitch after such a great game, and having no respect for the opposition really does nothing for the man. The fact is that Dublin left that game behind them on the pitch, and CM would do better to realise that than to start getting ideas.
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Bitter??
Everyone knows Mayo did it to psyche them out and it worked, maybe players dont want to get involved in stupid arguments like these. They went down there first and got one over on Dublin!! Thats it!!
Maybe Mortimor has a right to be a bit cocky afterwards, sure the entire Dublin team disrespected them by warming up at the same side as them, pure ignorence and arrogance.
As for Dublin leaving the game behind, what planet are you on ? game could of went either way, ask anyone here!! I would even say Mayo deserved it for comeback

MGrah wrote:

As for the others posting about Dublin fans not travelling? Sure Mayo, Laois, Cork and Kerry couldn't fill Croke Park between them for an AI Semi/Quarter final last week. Contrast that to any games the Dubs have played away from Croker over the last few years, the old games in Navan in the early 90's thurles in 2001, Carlow in 2002, Clones in 2003, Longford this year. I would say every time Dublin had further to travel and brought more supporters. Laois being the best example of a supposed 'well supported' team. Couldn't even fill O'Moore Park for a game against their biggest rivals, but when it was the Dubs in Croker there were loads of them.
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Valid point indeed but you must remember population of Dublin compared to the rest of the counties in Ireland

MGrah wrote:

And as for the media hype, that's the biggest myth there's ever been. The only thing hyped up about the Dublin football team is the hype that supposedly surrounds them. I have yet to see one person actually give a reference to where this hype actually exists.
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Just pick up some newspapers and look at the coverage they get!!!

MGrah wrote:

Yesterday I left Croke Park thinking fair play to Mayo, great comeback, proved us all wrong about lacking bottle, and about their ability to play in a physical encounter. After hearing the comments coming from Mayo players (Mortimor really) and some supporters, I think I'll actually buy a Kerry shirt before the final. I think I might even get myself a ticket (hopefully one that was supposed to go to Mayo).

Its always good to hear another person supporting the Kingdom, so buy that jersey.

Anyway sure as lots of people have been saying since Dublin lost, roll on next year, dublin for sam 07 :rolleyes:
Final hasn't even been played yet...

MGrah

There's too many things in here to quote anyone, I'd be at it all day. I'll try to respond to all the comments on my post.

Firstly, I nevery suggested for a second that Mayo don't have the right to warm up in front of the hill, like I said I respect them for it, and I would say the same goes for most Dublin supporters. It's always good to see a team prepared to stoke the fires as it were. What I am talking about it the stupidity of suggesting that having the right was the reason the players decided to do it. Why people can't just admit that it was a psychological ploy, and that the Mayo players knew Dublin would not go to the Canal End is beyond me. Frankly the 'we have the right' is a childish argument. Just call it what it is.

Next I think was blackjack's 'won the toss' comment. Again I wasn't talking about whether Mayo have the right, that comment was about you making something up to back up your point, rather than just sticking to facts.

Next - I think someone said why shouldn't Mortimor wind up the opposition. Simple answer because the game is over. It's perfectly fine to wind up the opposition, play all the mind games you want (like warming up at the hill end!) it's a battle out there, but once the game is over, have the dignity to give the opposition respect for what was a great game. I have spoken to a number of Mayo people re:CM's comments and they all agree that they were innappropriate.

Culchie - I shook the hand of plenty of Mayo supporters on the way out of Croke Park, as I said it was a great game, and Mayo proved many people wrong. They were very well supported, and fair play to the Mayo, Ross, and Leitrim folks for getting behind them. (Didn't see to many Meath supporters cheering the Dubs on ) The problem is that it has very quickly gone from being a 'jaysus what a game' attitude to a world beaters attitude, and it doesn't carry well. You mentioned that Dublin dominated 11 minutes of the game? and asked was I watching. I was, although in the game I watched, the Dubs outscored Mayo by 2-11 to 0-6 between the 18th and 46thish minutes. My maths ain't great, but I think it's more than 11. And this leads on to my main point, Mayo played what has pretty widely been agreed was their best game for 50 years+, the Dubs played to their potential for 30 minutes max. and lost by a point. What does that tell you?
I won't for a second begrudge Mayo their place in the final. To be honest, if there's one county I think deserves an All Ireland for the past 10 years it's Mayo. But what we're hearing now, is nothing more than triumphilism. Granted enjoy the win, party like it's 1999, but have a bit of respect for the opposition.

As for the hype, someone mentioned that there had been a whole topic on here about it. This is my point. People are talking about the hype more than they talk about the team. The dublin team generates alot of column inches but so much of it now is talking about the hype surrounding the team rather than the team themselves. I don't read tabloids, but certainly the IT/II/ST do not overstate Dublins credentials. They possibly give a little more coverage, but that is simply reflective of their readership.

And I think lastly, (if I've left anyone out, blah blah) Dublin did leave that game behind them. While I am grateful to the guys for a great year, we had some good times, and some not so good times, there were some bad decisions made on Sunday that cost Dublin. Mostly coming from the sideline. Whatever about McDonald, Mortimor et al having great games, which they of course did. It was Mickey Moran's substitutions (timing/position as much as personnel) versus Pillars that was the difference between the teams.

And please if you're going to reply try and make it a little more reason based than 'because we do have the right' or 'because you don't own Croke Park'.

Carcharodon

kippy wrote:

If such an incident can be deemed to have had such an inpact on the Dublin team you can be sure that you will see a lot more of "hill hogging" next year by other teams that come to Croker to play them.

Think they are going to pre assign where each team goes before they come out to avoid it happening again.
Pitty, it was pure entertainment

MGrah

Carcharodon wrote:

Bitter??
Everyone knows Mayo did it to psyche them out and it worked, maybe players dont want to get involved in stupid arguments like these. They went down there first and got one over on Dublin!! Thats it!!
Maybe Mortimor has a right to be a bit cocky afterwards, sure the entire Dublin team disrespected them by warming up at the same side as them, pure ignorence and arrogance.
As for Dublin leaving the game behind, what planet are you on ? game could of went either way, ask anyone here!! I would even say Mayo deserved it for comeback

Not really bitter (maybe a little) but this is mostly my point. Mayo got their first, fair play to them, but to suggest that they expected the Dubs to go to the canal end is silly. Every person in Croke Park knew exactly what would happen. The response of the crowd, and the anticipation of Dublin coming out told you that. I was in the Cusack at the canal end and saw Paddy Russel walking out, his head dropped when he saw the Mayo team. Even he knew. I wouldn't say Dublin dissrespected Mayo particularly by going to the hill end, they needed the psychology of defying Mayo's stance as much as Mayo's stance was important to them, and a good psychological move.

Carcharodon

Well if people think that Dublin left the game behind, they are insulting the game and all the players, it was a magnificent battle and could of went either way.

At the end of the day i think people are under an illusion that Dublin are really that good, they are a fine side but lack the natural talent of some other teams.
Maybe Dublin lost because Mayo were the better team?? shock horror!!
Mayo were the better team for most of the game (well maybe iam a bit bias) and played some excellent football and got some exquisit scores

Carcharodon

MGrah wrote:

Not really bitter (maybe a little) but this is mostly my point. Mayo got their first, fair play to them, but to suggest that they expected the Dubs to go to the canal end is silly. Every person in Croke Park knew exactly what would happen. The response of the crowd, and the anticipation of Dublin coming out told you that. I was in the Cusack at the canal end and saw Paddy Russel walking out, his head dropped when he saw the Mayo team. Even he knew. I wouldn't say Dublin dissrespected Mayo particularly by going to the hill end, they needed the psychology of defying Mayo's stance as much as Mayo's stance was important to them, and a good psychological move.

I think Dublin and Caffrey embarrased themselves a bit by going down there.
I thought they could of used that as motivation to show Mayo whos boss, if they acted a bit more professional and concentrated on the game and let Mayo do there thing below, rise above it and show people it would take alot more than that to disrupt them.
If Dublin ignored it and got off to a good start, it would of been Mayo that would of been embarrased
I get your point though

MGrah

Carcharodon wrote:

Well if people think that Dublin left the game behind, they are insulting the game and all the players, it was a magnificent battle and could of went either way.

At the end of the day i think people are under an illusion that Dublin are really that good, they are a fine side but lack the natural talent of some other teams.
Maybe Dublin lost because Mayo were the better team?? shock horror!!
Mayo were the better team for most of the game (well maybe iam a bit bias) and played some excellent football and got some exquisit scores

Carcharodon I think you're taking me up the wrong way here. I don't wish to insult Mayo/Dublin players. It was an incredible game. My point is more aimed at the reaction of Mayo/media people in only looking at one side of it. Perhaps Mayo are a better team, perhaps they're not. The fact is that Dublin had the game in their own hands and let it slip. That's the point. I don't mean to say that Dublin wiped the floor with Mayo and we're unluckly to lose. Mayo made one of the greatest come backs that I've ever been priveleged to witness. However from a Dublin perspective we certainly left it behind. Memories of Tyrone (drawn game) last year (and tyrone were definitely the better side), and Kildare in the Leinster final a few years back.

Culchie

MGrah wrote:

You mentioned that Dublin dominated 11 minutes of the game? and asked was I watching. I was, although in the game I watched, the Dubs outscored Mayo by 2-11 to 0-6 between the 18th and 46thish minutes.

Exactly, absolutely 100%, in 1 sentence you have captured the whole context of my argument, and why I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Dublin left that game behind them'

Think what happened in the 18th Minute? ... and when did David Brady come on to replaced a concussed midfielder?

Dublin got back into the game, because their forwards could start receiving ball, because they started winning midfield because they 'took out' McGarrity.

If you choose, and more importantly the Dublin management choose to ignore that fact, then you can't properly address one of very few shortfalls in the Dublin team.

Triumphalism? .... not me, been kicked in the ass too many times over last 10 years.

Realism .... Yes.

MGrah

Culchie wrote:

Exactly, absolutely 100%, in 1 sentence you have captured the whole context of my argument, and why I think it's pretty unfair to say 'Dublin left that game behind them'

Think what happened in the 18th Minute? ... and when did David Brady come on to replaced a concussed midfielder?

Dublin got back into the game, because their forwards could start receiving ball, because they started winning midfield because they 'took out' McGarrity.

If you choose, and more importantly the Dublin management choose to ignore that fact, then you can't properly address one of very few shortfalls in the Dublin team.

Triumphalism? .... not me, been kicked in the ass too many times over last 10 years.

Realism .... Yes.

I'd say you're right and wrong. McGarrity was outperforming whelan, no doubt about that, I'd say Ryan was next on the list of midfielders at that stage. Mayo were on top though. At the time (can't believe I'm about to defend Paddy Russell!) I though that Whelan had just caught McGarrity a bit late (didn't have the best view) but afterwards on TSG I think he jumped genuinely enough, saw the opportunity to do some damage and took it. (just my opinion, alledgedly, without prejudice etc). However there's some harsh language that people should be careful using, Matt Cooper last night used the words 'attacked' and 'assaulted' which I think is a bit strong.
I don't think you can realistically say that Whelan went through the process of deciding to take McGarrity out, any more than the All Blacks decided to take BOD out in the dressing room before the Lions game. I think it was a case of a player losing the head when an opportunity presented itself. Whelan in my opinion is prone to this, and it's one of his major short comings. Why he seems to get away with it, I don't know.
I hadn't menioned the Whelan incident before, hadn't meant to ignore it though.
Either way, I don't think it influences whether my comment that Dublin left the game behind them. Whether it happened or not, whether he meant it or not, Dublin were coasting 10 mins into the second half, and started to believe the game was over. With a little more savvy they could have shut the game down. Wouldn't have done anything for the spectacle, but I'd say we'd be hearing an awful lot more about CW if they had.

Kashkai

I'm a Dub (a real Dub from 'de nortsoide') and I'm married to a Mayo woman. I had most of the in-laws pass through my place on Saturday and Sunday on the way to the match and by the way they were on edge, you'd think their lives were on the line. It meant everything in the world to them to beat Dublin, now to be clear not one of them mentioned winning the All Ireland, they just wanted to beat Dublin.

My wife, who never ever watches a game, was on the edge of her seat for the whole match. Even the poor kids were ignored for the game while she screamed at the box. In the end, she was dancing a jig around the room with the biggest grin on her face I've ever seen. Triumphalism isn't strong enough a word for it. To make it worse, most of the in-laws took a detour on their way home to make sure I knew the result. From the cheesy grins on their faces, you'd think the EU had doubled all their farm grants.

Dublin losing the game isn't the end of the world for me (although it would have been nice if they won) but the reaction from my wife and in-laws proves that beating Dublin is the be all and end all for the culchies.

At least my kids are ignoring the wife now as they are proud to be Dubs and they keep telling me that we should send mammy back to Mayo with all the other culchies. Now I wonder where they got that from???:D

Culchie

Prosperous Dave wrote:

I'm a Dub (a real Dub from 'de nortsoide') and I'm married to a Mayo woman. I had most of the in-laws pass through my place on Saturday and Sunday on the way to the match and by the way they were on edge, you'd think their lives were on the line. It meant everything in the world to them to beat Dublin, now to be clear not one of them mentioned winning the All Ireland, they just wanted to beat Dublin.

My wife, who never ever watches a game, was on the edge of her seat for the whole match. Even the poor kids were ignored for the game while she screamed at the box. In the end, she was dancing a jig around the room with the biggest grin on her face I've ever seen. Triumphalism isn't strong enough a word for it. To make it worse, most of the in-laws took a detour on their way home to make sure I knew the result. From the cheesy grins on their faces, you'd think the EU had doubled all their farm grants.

Dublin losing the game isn't the end of the world for me (although it would have been nice if they won) but the reaction from my wife and in-laws proves that beating Dublin is the be all and end all for the culchies.

At least my kids are ignoring the wife now as they are proud to be Dubs and they keep telling me that we should send mammy back to Mayo with all the other culchies. Now I wonder where they got that from???:D

Sure, everyone wants to beat Dublin in their own back yard, we never denied that ... but that's a big difference to be Anti - Dublin.

The Dubs only went up in my estimation after Sunday, they were great....the team and their supporters.

kippy

Good post Dave, and in part fully true.
However the reasons for mayo wanting to beat Dublin may not seem so apparent.
The reason that Mayo wanted to beat Dublin so badly was because what has been said about this Mayo team in the, largely biased, Dublin media, and the attidude of may Dublin fans and pundits, that Dublin just needed to turn up to get into the final against Kerry.
I myself was at best "hopeful" that we could get the win but I really wanted them to win to shut up the media and put the Dubs back in their box for another year (being honest)
When we play Kerry, we will want to beat Kerry and nothing else, I will be hopeful that we can beat them and at last make up for all those times of losing out to them. One game at a time, thats how you psych yourself up for these matches. Maybe if Dublin took the same stance, and didnt look forward as much to the Kerry match, they might have beaten Mayo-they were perhaps too much focused on Kerry.

At the end of the day, a great match seperated by the smallest of margins which could have gone the other way on a different day.
Again, if Mayo dont beat Kerry, Mayo people wont speak too much about the Dublin match as it will have meant very little.
Kippy

ronanp

BigKay wrote:

but is it just me or does the whole country cheer against Dublin no matter who their playing?

Thats not true at all - its only when they're not playing Meath.

Kashkai

Despite what "Culchie" says, my Wife and In Laws are anti Dublin. They never stop bitching about how Dublin has everything, i.e. all the good roads (we call them carparks, M50, N4 etc), the hospitals (would you go to A & E?), the shops (we like getting ripped off). While from my perspective, they have the 3,000 sq ft houses on an acre that they built for €300k - wouldn't buy you a one bed apartment up here, and they all have 06 MO cars. I won't mention that they all have 2 or 3 properties rented out, or their farming / b & b / garden furniture businesses in addition to their day jobs etc but I digress. They do not like Dublin, full bloody stop. I know it for a fact as I'm married into them.

Never mind the hype in the papers, most sensible people can see past that rubbish. Its what takes place on the pitch that matters as we Dubs know. However, the Mayo people, and the culchies (Offaly, Galway, Cork, Tipperary) I work with are ecstatic that Dublin lost.

Dublin should have won the game but through a combination of cockiness on Dublin's part when in the lead, to a fantastic Mayo come back, this game of the year, if not living memory, was won by the better team. Forget about the bull**** in the papers beforehand, forget about the gamesmanship during the warm up, this was a game of 70 minutes fought to the bitter end. Fair play to the Dubs, you did us proud and best of luck to Mayo in the final (although I'll never admit that to the wife or in-laws )

hursting

As a mayo man and an avid Mayo supporter I have to defend the dubs. I think people have lost the big picture. In Sundays game there were 30 free kicks. This is unheard of in a game of that intensity. True whelan made a bad tackle but it was more mis timed than anything else. As for the caffrey incident i for one think it was brilliant. He showed his emotions and battled psychologically for his turf nothing wrong there. Also comments related to players after games should be taken with a huge pinch of salt as the players tend to be very emotional.

TallGirl

Ladies and Gentlemen..... the fan-tab-u-lous Mr. Kieran McDonald...
We love you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G_AooNRsx4

magpie

they have the 3,000 sq ft houses on an acre that they built for €300k - wouldn't buy you a one bed apartment up here, and they all have 06 MO cars. I won't mention that they all have 2 or 3 properties rented out, or their farming / b & b / garden furniture businesses in addition to their day jobs etc but I digress.

The simple fact of the matter is that Dubliners in general lie under the occupation of a hostile culchie state. The Dail? rammed with culchies. Dublin Rental Property? Owned by culchies. All taxes in the country? Paid by Dubliners as culchies have 06 Mercedes' as essential agricultural vehicles etc etc etc.

First you get the farm, then you get the power, then you get the.... oh, you know the rest!

Culchie

magpie wrote:

The simple fact of the matter is that Dubliners in general lie under the occupation of a hostile culchie state. The Dail? rammed with culchies. Dublin Rental Property? Owned by culchies. All taxes in the country? Paid by Dubliners as culchies have 06 Mercedes' as essential agricultural vehicles etc etc etc.

First you get the farm, then you get the power, then you get the.... oh, you know the rest!

Hee Hee ... all thanks to a Mayo Man .. Charlie Haughey

magpie

Hee Hee ... all thanks to a Mayo Man .. Charlie Haughey

Its true! I see you have an apartment in Croatia to rent? And Rathmines, Ranelagh, South Circular Road.....

Culchie

magpie wrote:

Its true! I see you have an apartment in Croatia to rent? And Rathmines, Ranelagh, South Circular Road.....

Ermmm... what's that got to do with the price of fish? You can do what you want with your money.... no?

Anyways, back OT ..... you'll find that just like Racists (they have never lived outside Ireland generally) .... that Anti-Dublin or indeed Anti-Culchie syndrome is normally borne out of pure ignorance.

Big Kay

A letter in todays Irish Times.....

Madam, - The anti-Dublin bile that emanates from some of our country cousins during the GAA championship season is a serious problem that the organisation must look at. The GAA may like to package this as light-hearted banter but there is a more sinister, deep-rooted, tangible hatred at the heart of this.

The recent assaults on two Dublin senior football players by Mayo supporters after the All-Ireland semi-final vindicate my point. Some parts of the media would like to put these incidents down to the social malaise in Ireland, that is our drink culture, but these acts were perpetrated by GAA supporters against GAA players. If a drunken assailant perpetrates a racist attack, no one blames our drink culture, we call the incident as we should - a racist attack.

I think there is a lot of anger among Dublin GAA supporters over these incidents and the lack of response they have got from both the GAA and the media.

Perhaps it is time for the GAA firstly to accept that they have a problem and then tackle it, before a serious incident occurs. - Yours, etc,

BRIAN Mac SWEENEY, Lower Dargle Road, Bray.

J.R.HARTLEY

magpie wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense for GAA matches to be played in Athlone or somewhere central rather than expecting country fans to trek all the way to Dublin - especially for games that Dublin isn't even playing in?

it's economics magpie, they've paid a fortune for the stadium, they are trying toget the use out of it now, plus if they fill croker they make a much bigger profit

mobby

To quote Jimmy Rabbitte from The Commitments "Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I'm black and I'm proud."
I was beside a Mayo man in the Upr Hogan on Sunday who called Jason Sherlock a Gook I think it was, which is a "offensive and clearly ignorant slur usually used to describe Korean-Americans but often used to refer to all Asians", Not the first time I heard Jason called names and not very nice for one of Ireland’s top sports stars to have to hear. I believe he has been called other offensive names on and off the pitch, but I am sure he is well able to deal with this sort of crap himself. The Anti Dublin sentiment over the last few weeks is nothing new to me has I have been listening to it for years. One of the reasons I would have loved for Dublin to win the All Ireland is because it really pisses off the rest of the Country and make them even more a shower of whinging moaners.
So as to who wins the All Ireland now I really could not give a S**t,
Jez maybe I am becoming an Anti-culchie moaner now…

Anyway Up the Dubs, sure there is always next year …………… Again

westdiv

MGrah wrote:

I don't read tabloids, but certainly the IT/II/ST do not overstate Dublins credentials. They possibly give a little more coverage, but that is simply reflective of their readership.

MGrah, Have read your contributions and enjoyed them. I'm an ABD. Fully paid up. Have to disagree with you on the sentence above. Tom Humphrey's in the IT is painful to read as a culchie. He hypes Dublin so much it should be a crime. Ironically in an article 2 weeks ago he mentioned Tyrone warming up on the Hill 16 end, and glorified loutish behaviour by Dub fans in the same article. Keith Duggan in the IT is impartial and a great sports writer. TH has superb English and a narrow view of the sports world.