Knackers, crazy foam and a perfect day

Karl Hungus

Anyone who thinks cutting benifits would have any positive impact is being a little niave.

Sadly, we're living in a world where the scum out there would syringe you for your mobile phone. I'd say that kind of person would rather go out and steal all he can get his hands on rather than work for a day. Second of all, that kind of person would be incredibly detrimental to the workforce. Bad enough coming across someone like that on your way home from the pub, but having to work with them?

dr.bollocko wrote:

And then you have the gall to say that I am getting off topic?
Well ****, Im getting off topic? Glad you berated me on my "off-topic post" for a good long page before you pointed out that I am getting off topic. That was a brilliant move out of you.

There is a difference between saying "We're getting off topic" and "You're getting off topic." Realise that, and in future don't run off on a rant for the sake of it.

dr.bollocko

fly_agaric wrote:

Not something you see much of on boards.ie though is it with the endless "Yay - Lets exterminate those scumbags because they stink up the place" threads.



That's just because Ireland was a homogenous monoculture until recently so the underclass causing problems is totally Irish rather than alot of it being the kids of immigrants. That'll change soon though!

But hey - makes it much easier for idiots to demonise en-masse without worrying their pretty little noggins that they might be racist bigots!

Because being a racist bigot is so not cool today you know - but spewing your venom at a group of "scum" whose definition you can adjust according to pc dictates is just too much fun to pass up!



LOL magpie - so we live in some ideal meritocracy! Pull the other one, eh! We've a bit to go yet.

I had a homogenous monoculture for breakfast this morning.

So other than that, what you seem to be saying is kinda lost, mainly becuase of the judgemental mono-liberal idealess 'tudes and notions you spout so freely, like a verbose Geyser.
But Verbal diorrheah is flowing out and the chunks of peanut seem to be related to saying that it aint cool to redefine a racist or bigotted opinion based on PC dictums, and that the only point of this thread is "scum" bashing.
But we are talking about a problem of anti-social behaviour on our streets every day and trying to see where a solution can come from.
The problem is caused by people. These people share some common characteristics and to save time, occasionally people use words like "knacker". It is unfortunate that this wording does not include a half-page to a page long disclaimer indicating that political correctness is in fact important to the OP and we do not wish to offend anyone, specifically for verbose liberals with no opinions. Words like "scum" "scumbag" etc. are just as likely to come up on one side as words like "racist" and "bigot" to come up on the other. So thanks for balancing out the see-saw and all that but what you are saying, in essence, is that we no longer are allowed to use the words necessary to define a problem. And yet you are allowed use words like "ideal meritocracy" And not get beaten about the head.

Degsy

Its the bloody parents fault because they dont give a damn.Where i grew up there was an estate not far from me where all the scumbags came from,they'd been moved out there from the north inner city in the late sixties and they were the ones causing all teh hassle in the school.Before i started goingto that school i'd never seen ten year olds drinking,smoking or stealing stuff,running amok and assaulting teachers.Years later i was looking through Thom's directory of that area and an inordinatly large number of houses in the are a had no man's name on the deeds,they were all MissThis and Miss That..the kids had no fathers and it was obvious that the mothers either didnt care or couldnt cope.Its the same today,the tracksuit-wearing buggy pushers you see screaming at thier children or staggering around whilst heavily pregnant are ensuring the line is carried on.If we could put some form of sterilising agent into john player blue or dutch gold the problem would resolve itself in a generation.

dr.bollocko

Yeah. But still nobody has found a solution that doesnt involve
a) pretending they arent there
b) Kill / maim / jail indiscriminately
c) Sterilise 'em
d) Take back alladat free money wot we give 'em.

There must be some sort of non-nazi way of doing things.
Even if it is less fun.

Degsy

dr.bollocko wrote:

Yeah. But still nobody has found a solution that doesnt involve
a) pretending they arent there
b) Kill / maim / jail indiscriminately
c) Sterilise 'em
d) Take back alladat free money wot we give 'em.

There must be some sort of non-nazi way of doing things.
Even if it is less fun.

Build a scum-free utopia under the sea and let them have the terrestrial world.They'll be all gone in a hundred years or so and we could rise from the waves and re-inherit the earth!Who's with me?

Karl Hungus

dr.bollocko wrote:

Yeah. But still nobody has found a solution that doesnt involve
a) pretending they arent there
b) Kill / maim / jail indiscriminately
c) Sterilise 'em
d) Take back alladat free money wot we give 'em.

There must be some sort of non-nazi way of doing things.
Even if it is less fun.

My solution would be:

1) A boot-camp like program to send the young ones to if they step out of line, where they get all the discipline of the military, without any kind of weapons training.

2) Public humiliation as a punishment for crimes. Face it, getting holed up in the joy is like a badge of honour for some people, getting arrested is the mark of a hard man. Put them on display wearing a dunces cap where all their friends and family can see them, and ridicule them, they wouldn't be as quick to be bold again. The dunces cap isn't really nessicary, just put them in any position where they look like an eejit to their friends, and they'll keep their heads down in future.

TequilaMockingBird

I was at the races during the summer (usually a traveller/scumbag free event), when a large family of travellers arrived. The men all hit the bookies and the bar, while the women and kids were left on the benchs. Probably 6 or 7 women, grandmothers to teenage mothers. One young Mum had a crawling little boy who has Downs Syndrome. As Downs Syndrome kids tend to, his tongue was sometimes sticking out. Everytime he did this the mother slapped him on the mouth. She did this while chatting to the other women and feeding him. I felt sick. An animal wouldn't do that to its young. So this is how these kids are reared, what hope have they (or the rest of us in the future when they've grown up)?

Don't bother telling me I should have intervened. I was busy trying to not let my child see what was happening, never mind her seeing her mother get a hiding.

fly_agaric

dr.bollocko wrote:

I had a homogenous monoculture for breakfast this morning.

Yeah? Apologies for that. I hope it didn't repeat on you.:(

dr.bollocko wrote:

So other than that, what you seem to be saying is kinda lost, mainly becuase of the judgemental mono-liberal idealess 'tudes and notions you spout so freely, like a verbose Geyser.

I didn't use many big words (I've used far less words than you on this thread) and my point wasn't that hard to understand. Seems you didn't understand it at all. So again...

French Arab gouger causing trouble = poor youth suffering from racism, loss of identity blah blah etc etc. How very twagic!
Irish gouger causing trouble = a "knacker"/"scumbag" who shooting is too good for.
Do you smell the hypocrisy, contradiction...

The reason for this is political correctness.

Calling the Arab/African immigrants kids "scum" and talking about wiping them out or putting them in camps would be racist but calling the exact Irish equivalent "scum" and talking about wiping them out is not racist so people feel comfortable posting it here.

Even thought its the same pretty sick thing of taking a whole group of people, categorising them as dross, and talking about getting rid of them somehow as a valid solution.

dr.bollocko wrote:

Verbal diorrheah

Again you've soiled your own nappy a fair bit on this thread. I don't think I even addressed you in my post so I don't know why you are so píssed off really.

dr.bollocko wrote:

the only point of this thread is "scum" bashing

Most of the posts on the thread are just "scum bashing".

dr.bollocko wrote:

But we are talking about a problem of anti-social behaviour on our streets every day and trying to see where a solution can come from.

Good for you. Carry on. Please don't let my "verbal diahorrea" stop you or anyone else coming up with solutions to societies' problems during your lunch time!
If you invent cold fusion on your day off I want a slice of the cash.

dr.bollocko wrote:

So thanks for balancing out the see-saw and all that but what you are saying, in essence, is that we no longer are allowed to use the words necessary to define a problem.

No. Use the labels you want. Just don't think its okay to spout half-joking-wholly-in-earnest about Nazi shít like putting people into camps, forced sterilisation, forced labour etc...because the "scum" is messing up your nice tidy (er, no, I take that back! This is Ireland.) city streets the way the Nazis thought the gypsies were fouling up central Europe!

dr.bollocko wrote:

And yet you are allowed use words like "ideal meritocracy" And not get beaten about the head.

Fanny Cradock

fly_agaric wrote:

Calling the Arab/African immigrants kids "scum" and talking about wiping them out or putting them in camps would be racist but calling the exact Irish equivalent "scum" and talking about wiping them out is not racist so people feel comfortable posting it here.

Knackers aren't a race, so I don't see how it can be deemed racist to criticise them. It would appear that the riots in France were a direct result of some social injustice (perceived or otherwise) that exists in that society. Knackers, on the other hand, are not rebelling against what they see as some inequality; they’re just being pricks for the sake of it.

Dooom

Fascism ftw...

fly_agaric

Fanny Cradock wrote:

Knackers aren't a race, so I don't see how it can be deemed racist to criticise them.

That's my point! It's not falling under that bugaboo of racism -> it's acceptable to talk about wiping people out and such! Maybe people are joking, maybe my sense of humour is crap - but I don't find it funny really.

Fanny Cradock wrote:

It would appear that the riots in France were a direct result of some social injustice (perceived or otherwise) that exists in that society.
Knackers, on the other hand, are not rebelling against what they see as some inequality; they’re just being pricks for the sake of it.

Admit it, plenty of the rioters probably couldn't give two shíts about actually changing society or fixing injustice - they probably enjoyed rioting!
Is there official govt. discrimination against these people in France which really would warrent such rioting and mayhem ala the Southern States in the US? - I doubt it.
Whether you can excuse what they do and come up with reasons, the random gougers harassing people on the street in Dublin, the more organised riots in Paris are symptoms of a similar kind of problem really.
As for solutions? I don't feel like getting into that really. Too much like hard work.
Maybe later if the thread's not dead.

Fanny Cradock

Nor do I.


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kodute

Scumbags are just scum (hence the name! ) and a bootcamp solution IMO is perfect! at least they are off the streets!

Cactus Col

InFront wrote:

Yes but when student engange in bad behaviour at least it's in the name of fun. Some of these guys have anger issues. Still, the Dublin chav/ scumbag is an institution and most of them are the kind of people we love to hate, i think - not all 'scumbags are 'scumbags'.

That's true about the students ... any bad behaviour .. sure it's just in the name of fun .... sure just ask Brian Murphy.