Lipotrim Diet

telecaster_dub

has anybody tried this diet ? its recommended by pharmacys and they say you can lose a stone a month with no excercise etc

has anybody tried it and does it actually work

please no weightloss dieter haters

it costs €80 a week

and u have substitute foods etc and when u get to size u like u re-introduce foods etc

Chucky the tree

I havent used it. But from i have read it is like most other "wonder" diets. You will lose the weight originally, but once people finish it they will go back to their lazy ways of eating **** and will put the weight back on soon enough.

Also, people seem to lose alot of weight, very quickly which cant be a good thing.

I recommend doing alot of research on it before trying it.

Its sounds like torture to me, but goodluck with it if you decide to try it.

daveirl

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Chucky the tree

The potential hairloss certainly sounds like a bit of a stinger.

Boru.

It does work, but I don't hugely recomend it unless you have a serious weight problem. The process works due to sever calorie restriction, only threee shakes whihc provide the bare minimum to keep you alive. Again, you nare omitored for saftey but this restiction leads to a process called ketosis, which if you suffer from any kidney problem will be dangerous.

The probelm with this is that although you do lose weight rapidly - the first weight loss is from your muscle tissue. A friend of my mothers used this after a neightbour got great results with. Before she started I measured her bofy fat and lean muscle mass - her body fat has dropped by nealry half, but on the other hand her muscle mass has dropped by 3/4.

So why am I concerned about that?

Well the reson is that when you begin eating again, normally, you now have less active muscle tissue meaning you have less calories burning function - that means you now need even less calories to survive and will quickly put on fat again....which by the way has happened to the neighbour.

If you are severly over wieght this will provide quick and rapid weight loss, essentially becasue you are safely starving yourself. Unless you do exercise you will be left with large amounts of flabby hanging skin, having been stretched by fat. Finally you will lose the only long term method of maintian healthy weight - your muscle, and thus regain the wieght and leave your self in a worse postion then when you started.

I highly recomend exericse and proper diet. It's not easy I admit, but you won't feel like a famine victim, you will increase your energy levels, you will improve the function of all your internal organs, you will look far better and you will lose weight in a safe and progressive manner (allthough slower).

telecaster_dub

thanks guys

my dads friend is a cyclist and ex garda and he was looking to lose the belly etc and once lose the weight he was going to go out on bike 3 or 4 times a week

he lost 22 pounds in 2 weeks and he thinks its great.

now he's off it a month and hasnt put the weight back on

as when u come off diet u have to re-introduce foods etc

my problem is im 25 and 6.2 in height and weight 19.5 stone i dont look it im told by everybody they all say 16ish stone , but im a yo yo dieter

i was gonna do it just for 2 weeks to make some difference and gain some confidence etc and then hit the gym 3 days a week doing cardio and weights

just wanna make some impact on my weight



why is there always so many haters of diets ??? its highly recommended by pharmacys so surely if it does all this to ur muscle they wouldnt recommend it

i dont think half the people on here have a clue

u get people asking u to post ur diet etc and they give u tips ??

who says there qualified ? could be giving u complete oposite to help

Chucky the tree

telecaster_dub wrote:

why is there always so many haters of diets ??? its highly recommended by pharmacys so surely if it does all this to ur muscle they wouldnt recommend it

i dont think half the people on here have a clue

u get people asking u to post ur diet etc and they give u tips ??

who says there qualified ? could be giving u complete oposite to help

Come on, you lecutring people hear about not having a clue? Hello pot.

Hmm, maybe because pharmacys are making a **** load of money from it?!

As i said, do some research yourself, although judging by the way you are with weight loss issues, chances are you are far too lazy to do the research.


WHy did you even bother putting up the thread if you werent willing to listen to peoples advice? Why didnt you just start and thread asking for people to give there "success" stories and that you dont want to hear anyhing bad about it.

Chances are you have already made up your mind about doing it, even before you started this thread. I am guessing you were just hoping for people to chime in and say its fantastic to give that bit more confidence in it.

As i said, best of luck with it. I really do hope it works for you in the long term, but i very much doubt.

Transform

My newbe friend you do not have to have qualifications coming out your ass to know healthy foods and regular exercise will get you down to at least 15stone.

Me myself i do have qualifications coming out my rear end yet do not talk from that end all to often. Take the advice as clearly your way is not producing much in the way of progress.

DIE.........T good for making profits, not good for establishing long term healthy habits

Minimins

telecaster_dub wrote:

has anybody tried this diet ? its recommended by pharmacys and they say you can lose a stone a month with no excercise etc

has anybody tried it and does it actually work

please no weightloss dieter haters

it costs €80 a week

and u have substitute foods etc and when u get to size u like u re-introduce foods etc

Hi telecaster_dub,

My name is Mini and I have lost five stone on Lipotrim diet and I highly recommend this diet if you have a lot of weight to lose

The Lipotrim Pharmacy diet is a well researched diet and has been in use in hospitals for over twenty years.

The guidelines for weight loss on a vlcd is one stone a month for a woman and one and half to two for a man, as we are all different this can vary.

You stay on the diet until you get to goal and then you must refeed properly and the rest is about maintenance.

I have now changed over to another vlcd called Cambridge Diet and I am finishing my weight loss journey on this.

If you have any questions I would be more than willing to answer.

Love Mini xxx

Minimins

Boru. wrote:

It does work, but I don't hugely recomend it unless you have a serious weight problem. The process works due to sever calorie restriction, only threee shakes whihc provide the bare minimum to keep you alive. Again, you nare omitored for saftey but this restiction leads to a process called ketosis, which if you suffer from any kidney problem will be dangerous.

The probelm with this is that although you do lose weight rapidly - the first weight loss is from your muscle tissue. A friend of my mothers used this after a neightbour got great results with. Before she started I measured her bofy fat and lean muscle mass - her body fat has dropped by nealry half, but on the other hand her muscle mass has dropped by 3/4.

So why am I concerned about that?

Well the reson is that when you begin eating again, normally, you now have less active muscle tissue meaning you have less calories burning function - that means you now need even less calories to survive and will quickly put on fat again....which by the way has happened to the neighbour.

If you are severly over wieght this will provide quick and rapid weight loss, essentially becasue you are safely starving yourself. Unless you do exercise you will be left with large amounts of flabby hanging skin, having been stretched by fat. Finally you will lose the only long term method of maintian healthy weight - your muscle, and thus regain the wieght and leave your self in a worse postion then when you started.

I highly recomend exericse and proper diet. It's not easy I admit, but you won't feel like a famine victim, you will increase your energy levels, you will improve the function of all your internal organs, you will look far better and you will lose weight in a safe and progressive manner (allthough slower).

The ketosis you enter into is dietary ketosis and is not to be confused with diabetic ketosis.

While I would agree that a healthy diet and exercise is the optimal way to losing weight and is very achievable if you have a couple of stone to lose.

Must people who resort to a vlcd have tried most diets and for one reason or another have found the results unsatisfactory.

When you have ten stone to lose like I have it is very difficult...I went to Weight Watchers and followed the points to the letter and my weight loss was very slow and at the rate I was losing it would take me five years to lose my weight.

In the meantime my health was not great and I was very depressed and felt overwhelmed by my weight.

Now having lost just over five stone, my blood pressure is now normal, I can run up the stairs whereas before it was an effort as my knees were sore and I was out of breath. I feel healthy and look healthy and I have found this diet has changed my life.

Being excessively overweight limits your choices and steals your self-esteem and your health.

I am very happy for you and anyone who finds that other conventional diets work for them, but this was not the case for me.

Due to losing so much weight I now enjoy the gym again and walking is a pleasure instead of a strain.

It is one year last week since I began my weight loss journey and I hope to be at goal for Christmas.

Loose skin is an issue for anyone with excessive amount of weight to lose and there are many factors that determine the outcome.

So far I have been very lucky and my skin is in great condition and I have no loose skin, as I have another four stone to lose only time will tell.

Love Mini xxx

telecaster_dub

thanks alot minimins , some people on here say they have qualifications etc but i dont know that do i ? ive neber met these people etcs

thanks for ur encouraging mail : )

im going to go on it for 3 weeks and see how i do

cousin_borat

I for one would be interested to hear results. As several people have said Liprtrim is for losing weight for severly overweight individuals.

I'd probably have more concerns about the advice given on personal issues forum than fitness if you have a beef with unqualified advice.

g'em

telecaster_dub wrote:

why is there always so many haters of diets ??? its highly recommended by pharmacys so surely if it does all this to ur muscle they wouldnt recommend it

hmmm.. highly recommended by pharmacies who just happen to stand to make a lot of money from it. Do they make money from people eating 5+ servings of fresh fruit and veg a day, lean meat and protein, wholegrains, lots of water and eliminating processed foods? ooh, no they don't. what a strange coincidence....

telecaster_dub wrote:

i dont think half the people on here have a clue

no, no we don't. Only years of personal experiences, various degrees in science and nutrition, two (for sure that I know of) personal trainers with proven track experience and solid knowledge of healthy living and of course, atheltes from a range of different sports, and, of course, more than a little bit of common sense.

telecaster_dub wrote:

u get people asking u to post ur diet etc and they give u tips ??

um, yeah, pretty much. And I can think of plenty of people who have publically acknowledged that the tips they gained from this site has helped them lose a significant amount of weight, nevermind the oodles of others who have gained fine-tuning advice to already existing eating plans and fitness regimes.

telecaster_dub wrote:

who says there qualified ? could be giving u complete oposite to help

yeah, it's something we do for ****s n' giggles, tell people the complete opposite to what they should do, just to see them mess up their body for our entertainment. :rolleyes:

This forum is a resource full of people who've been there and tried it all. If you don't like the advice, don't listen to it. But there's a reason why we're all singing from the same page and why the stickies contain posts from lots of different people saying, in essence, the same thing. Because we know what works. Or then again, maybe it's just a big joke that we're in on...

telecaster_dub wrote:

has anybody tried this diet ? its recommended by pharmacys and they say you can lose a stone a month with no excercise etc

give it a try and let us know how you go. I'd love to see how this compares to years of research and real-life testimonials proving that exercising and eating healthily results in long term weight loss, a sense of positivity and well-being, increased muscle mass and lower body fat, reduced risk of osteoperosis, diabetes, cardiac integrity issues, major organ damage, stronger hair, skin, nails...

Boru.

telecaster_dub wrote:

why is there always so many haters of diets ??? its highly recommended by pharmacys so surely if it does all this to ur muscle they wouldnt recommend it

i dont think half the people on here have a clue

u get people asking u to post ur diet etc and they give u tips ??

who says there qualified ? could be giving u complete oposite to help

telecaster_dub, Hi. I'd like to respond to the comments you posted above. Before I do, I would like to say that this isn't directed so much at you, as you have made your decision and are perfectly entitled to it, but others may be reading this thread and see the advice offered here and be concerned as regards to the quality of information.

Now with regards to your comments..

There are not many haters of diets here. There are professional and successful amateurs who post regularly here and who know the science behind weight loss. They LOVE Diets. They enjoy helping others discover the effects a proper diet can have not just on the physical body but on the emotional well being of a person. They take the time to share their passion and knowledge, built on there experience and expertise, so that they can share the benefit they have experienced. They are among the most generous and gracious of individuals and there advise should be given due respect, as should they.

The reason pharmacy's don't care about the muscle wastage is because they don't have to. Lipotrim is a weight loss solution, not a fat loss solution. Muscle and water loss is an expected part of the program. For those seeking to lose weight, it unfortunately often doesn't matter to them where that weight comes from. Asking a pharmacist to create fat loss and retain muscle mass is unfair, it’s not there job nor field of expertise, it's a fitness instructors or personal trainers, and in some extreme cases a medical specialists.

Now I would like to address your comments as regards your ungracious remarks about the people who frequent these boards and offer advice being unqualified and having no clue...

First off I felt that it was rude and unjustified. You asked for advice, it was given in a courteous and professional manner and you responded with what I view as an insulting and derogatory series of remarks. That may not have been your intention, and if so I duly apologize, but the written word does not convey the tone or intonations of the person writing, and I am afraid it sound unflattering to me.

Let’s look at a few examples, Transform for instance. Transform is a highly respected member of boards and a professional and extremely successful personal trainer. His qualifications and knowledge are above reproach.

More importantly he lives his advice, and has an incredibly athletic physique built by hard work and proper diet. He has posted photos showing this and if you haven't seen them you should as it they are an excellent motivation tool.

Incidentally you may also want to check out one of his numerous appearances on TV3 as a respected expert on the fitness industry and health and fitness in general. I believe at one point they were even hosted on You Tube.

As regards my advice, is it unqualified? No. My name is Paul J. O'Brien and I own Boru Fitness Personal Training Services - I also run isometric-training.com, the largest online resource devoted to Isometric Training. I have trained hundreds of people in person and hundreds more online in over 53 different countries.

I have a BA from UCD and I am a fully qualified personal trainer and fitness instructor. I am a qualified Stability Ball instructor. I am a qualified Sports Nutritionist. I also happen to be an authority on Isometrics, Whole Body Vibrational Therapy and Reboundology.

While I am not doing that I am a qualified, registered Acupuncturist and TCM Practitioner with a successful practice in Terenure/Templeogue. I am listed with both VHI and BUPA and am a member of the Traditional Chinese Medical Council of Ireland. I am also certified in Clinical Medicine.

Finally I am 6th Degree Black belt in Shotokan Karate and I am currently a Level 2 Reality Based Personal Protection Instructor.

Should you wish to verify these qualifications and claims you may come down to my clinic or studio and view the certificates and check the national registers.

I hope this puts at ease both you and anyone else who is concerned with unqualified advice here on the fitness boards.

(Incidentally, qualifications aren't really worth anything if you can't produce results. Many of the people who post here are living proof of results - Dragan, Gem, Transform, Mickk, Jon and more).

As an aside there are people who post here, like Transform who are more knowledgeable and more qualified than I am. You have access to the best minds in the fitness industry in this country. If you choose to ignore them you are entitled to do so.

With that said I find it amusing that you disregard the advice given to you by the posters here, and yet accept without question the advice of a first time poster.

(Incidentally Minimins, allow me to welcome you to the boards, and I hope you do continue to post here. I had a brief look though your forum and it seems to contain a great deal of information regarding diet, in an extremely supportive atmosphere, however I couldn't find a section on exercise?)

I hope this has cleared any possible doubts you may have regarding authentic and helpful advice on this forum. Should you have any question regarding an exercise program or proper diet once you have finished Lipotirm I would be more than happy to help.

Yours,

Paul J.O’Brien, B.A., NCEHS, Lic.Acu, Dip. Cl. Med, M.TCMCI.

rubadub

telecaster_dub wrote:

he lost 22 pounds in 2 weeks and he thinks its great.

That is far too much to be losing, I aim for 1/10th of that

Minimins wrote:

The Lipotrim Pharmacy diet is a well researched diet and has been in use in hospitals for over twenty years.

The guidelines for weight loss on a vlcd is one stone a month for a woman and one and half to two for a man, as we are all different this can vary.

That is up to 28lb for a man, 7lb a week. Any doctor will recommend a max of 2lb weight loss per week. This diet is obvious intended for very obese people (who can get away with more than 2lb per week).

numorouno

i am unqualified but let me throw my two cents in on lipotrim. i too am overweight 6'2'' male almost 20stone. am a bit depressed about my weight and sick of it. i have tried diets but failed in the past (mainly due to my own laziness and love for crap food) so anyway i decided to try lipotrim last wednesday week. oh my god this cannot by healthy. by friday i was a complete wreck i had the most awful headaches iv ever had. they mention that you MAY get some headaches but these will go.also i was cranky with anybody and everybody for no apparent reason only for the fact that i was starving. i started crying for no reason at all and i never do this. i had to come off it last saturday week or i felt i was going to go mad. now i know a lot of people swear by this "diet" but just be warned that there is a downside to it and in the aftermath i feel that iv learned that there will only be one way for me in the future to get the weight down and thats a healthy diet with exercise (which i must get some advice in the next week or two from members on this forum). the only thing that lipotrim thought me was that food is much more than eating and satisfying hunger but its a feast for the senses in every way. every time i eat something, even as simple as a apple, i enjoy and savour it as well as the social context its in. this is not intended as an warning to avoid just my honest appraisal of my expierance on lipotrim

telecaster_dub

well cheers for that man , each to tthere own i suppose

i know personally 6 people who didit and say itsa great and these aint obese]

the biggest was 15.5 stone

Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

why is there always so many haters of diets ??? its highly recommended by pharmacys so surely if it does all this to ur muscle they wouldnt recommend it

i dont think half the people on here have a clue

u get people asking u to post ur diet etc and they give u tips ??

who says there qualified ? could be giving u complete oposite to help

Can i just point out that you are the one asking the questions here??? You are the one who is overweight, you are the one who living the unhealthy lifestyle and you are the one who came onto the board looking for help.

That pretty much sums it up. You came on looking for positive affirmation that this bull**** diet choice you have made will help you, that it will solve all your weight issues and life will be great.

What you got was a nice hard cold dose of reality and now your pissed off because we won't lie to you that we think this is all brilliant.

Do i think Lipotrim should be used in cases of extreme obesity? Yes.

Do i think lazy ****ers should be allowed walk into the pharmacy and buy it? Nope.

It's really that simple.....the fact is that if you have not lost weight on a balanced diet with regular excerise then you have not tried.....your just too busy lying to yourself to see that.

So, we don't have a clue because we offered up an opinion that you didn't like? Well tough ****.

If your gonna do Lipotrim, then i would also suggest you learn correct excercise routines and correct eating habits, because i will guarantee that the second you come off it you will simple put the weight back on.

Do nothing to change your behaviour and your doomed. It's really that simple.

I think the funniest part of that quote is the "it's highly recommended by pharmacies!!"......really.....so is lip gloss.....it's amazing what works when you can make a profit on it.

telecaster_dub

such a smart arse

why should obese people be able to get it " surely if they werent lazy they wouldnt be in the state they in " correct ???

so u said lazy people should not be allowed to buy it ?

wipe your mouth theres brown stuff comming out


secondly i never said i wasnt lazy , im the firstto admit to it IM LAZY

my point and why im pissed off is

anytime anybody asks about certain diets there always negativity , just cause the fit people who go running 10 miles a day dont have a weight issue and have too much time on there hands.

what about people who have kids and are single parents ??? they dont have time to go excercise and when they finish work the last thing they wanna do is look after kids and cook a NICE BALANCED MEAL

im only thinking of doing it for 2 or 3 weeks ok as yes im 19.5 stone and by the BMI im obese but everybody says i dont look it

so i wanted to lose maybe stone or stone and half and that i hope would give me a kick start into eating healthy and wanting to maintain the weight i would hopefully be at


apologies again for spelling etc

just sick of people who negative against diets , if u do it and when u finish u eat ur kebabs and currys and pizzas of course u gonna put weight back on , but what if u ate the smaller portions ie veg and fish or chicken and drank lots of water as this diet requires and get used to 3 small meals of healthy food when u finish diet ? as on diet u have 3 shakes so ud be just jumping to solids and with all nutrients u need ? i know people 3 months off it and has changed there whole life and they weight stayed off and lose more infact

TerrorFirmer

Telecaster I'm sure you can appreciate Dragan is looking at it with the best interests of your body in mind. Weight loss and weight does not equate to health - you could be a "normal" weight and still be extremely unfit and far more at risk then even some considered to be overweight, but sadly alot of people focus solely on the numbers and statisitcs.

Added to that, Lipotrim is all well and good but it encourages the attitude that there is a lazy way out of a lazy lifestyle. I can appreciate that not everyone who goes on it is of such a mindset but in alot of cases people will always desperately search for the instant solution rather then make the effort to educate or exert themselves. It's good to hear you plan on the latter and I hope it works out for you, best of luck with it. If Lipotrim gives you the boost and motivation needed to start changing the way you live, then good for you.

But just don't forget that everything you can achieve with both money and lipotrim, you can acheive better at zero cost with exercise...

rubadub

telecaster_dub wrote:

why should obese people be able to get it

The people who should be on it are at more risk from the immediate weight they have, than the negative effects such a diet will have. People marginally overweight should be exercising, morbidly obese people may be unable to exercise much, if at all.

telecaster_dub wrote:

anytime anybody asks about certain diets there always negativity , just cause the fit people who go running 10 miles a day dont have a weight issue and have too much time on there hands.

Many of these "fit people", were overweight just like you, many tried every scam fad diet in the book. They work for a while and then the weight goes back on. When on a calorific deficit like this diet you will loose lots of muscle as well as fat (especially if aiming for 1/2 stone per week!). If you go back to your old weight again you will be even fatter, you have lost muscle which takes up 1/3 the space as fat, therefore even if you weigh the same you have more volume.
These people are giving you a heads up on this fact, thats all. Many learnt it the hard way and want to save you wasting your time (and health).

telecaster_dub wrote:

what about people who have kids and are single parents ??? they dont have time to go excercise and when they finish work the last thing they wanna do is look after kids and cook a NICE BALANCED MEAL

I would consider cooking a balanced meal as being an important part of "looking after kids". it is not that difficult

Does anybody know the daily calorific in take on lipotrim?

daveirl

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Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

anytime anybody asks about certain diets there always negativity , just cause the fit people who go running 10 miles a day dont have a weight issue and have too much time on there hands.

Indeed, because we were all born this way.......in fact i have never spent days working out a decent 12 week diet and excercise program and working on that and doing it all over again. I have never spent time in the gym, working and sweating and bleeding and puking my way to the shape i am in now.

I have never spent hours on this thread replying to anyone with a question to offer advice and set them on the right path.

I have never stopped my own workout to help other people in the gym.

No one who post here and helps people has. :rolleyes:

You know for a ****ing fact that you are lazy, you have said it yourself. So do something about that, instead of getting all pissed off that people might expect it a more from you because i expected a bit more from myself.

And don't give me all that "i have no time" bull****. I have given peoples 20 mins plans before that if they did when they got a chance would make massive differences....but there is always and excuse.

And the reason i think that obese people should be allowed it is because it's the only thing that will help them at that point......foolishly i very much believe that people like you can do great things with a bit of education and effort.

Guess that was pretty silly of me, eh buddy????

Do what you want man, just don't get pissed that you didn't get the answer you wanted on an open forum.

Regardless, you got the answers you needed.;)

telecaster_dub

i dont have kids , i was just saying for others who have kids

i was eathing very healthly for 4 weeks b4 and im serious i was

fruit in morning with 2 slices of wholegrain brown bread and orange juice

then oven cooked chicken breast with carrots,cabbage,brockali,etc and in evening id have a salad

ham,turkey,beetroot,scallions,lettuce,tomato etc for 4 weeks and then did

50 mins cardio / 30 on bike at fast pace / 20 crosstrainer also at hugh tempo and then 30 mins light weights 3 times a week

and lost 2.5 pounds in month

im sorry but i dont wanna do that torture for 5 months to lose a stone when i could give myself the kick start of a stone in 2 weeks

Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

and lost 2.5 pounds in month

Well then, quite simply you were doing something wrong.

A few years ago i was in savage nick....between accidents, the beating of a life time and some depression i got into awful shape. Last Feb i went back to the gym to build back up my strenght. At the start of this year i began a cut to lose the excess weight.

This year, since January, i have lost 49 pounds.

So no offence, but you were not trying hard enough, or something your diet was off. Simple as.

Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

i was eathing very healthly for 4 weeks b4 and im serious i was

telecaster_dub wrote:

i was in gym last night i planned on doing 45 mins of cardio and 30 mins weight training,but my heart just wasnt in it or no motivation

telecaster_dub wrote:

im a yo yo dieter i am great for 3 or 4 months and then lose interest or motivation

telecaster_dub wrote:

im good for a week or two the relapse for a day or two then i start fresh

To be honest, you just seem confused to me. It also strikes me that you lie to yourself alot.....and you may remember that we had this conversation in the past.

telecaster_dub

well i swear thats what i ate and i was very strict on it

some people just have the ability to lose weight easier its simple as that

if u couldnt lose weight no matter how hard u worked ud try this i bet

Kinetic^

The rest of the lads have touched on the technical side of things, the only thing I'll say is, WTF €80 a week!!!!!!!!! :eek:

daveirl

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seamus

Keyser Soze 5 wrote:

The rest of the lads have touched on the technical side of things, the only thing I'll say is, WTF €80 a week!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Heh. Would you get a personal trainer for one session a week for that price? Would be money better spent

Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

some people just have the ability to lose weight easier its simple as that

Sure thing man, i've given my opinion.

I suggest you simply start being honest with yourself, start educating yourself.

If you decided to do Lipotrim then the best of luck with it.....but you'd better use the time to learn about proper nutrition my friend.

To be honest, only last week i was in another thread giving you advice on diet and excercise and this week your looking for another easy way out.

I will no longer be wasting my time or yours.

Boru.

telecaster_dub As regards the diet you posted up, me thinks I see the problem. In all likelyhood you were significantly under eating. This causes your body to store fat rather than burn it. Furthermore it appears that there was no protein in your breakfast, and finally you only listed three meals. If you had broken those down into 6 smaller meals, this would have made your metabolism faster and at the proper calories intake you would have seen about a drop in 1% bodyfat a week.

As regards the exercise you did it's likely that you were pushing yourself too hard. At an elevated heart rate level you burn off less fat than at a lower level. You should also perform your exercise on an empty stomach, first thing in the mroning.

Read the following articles on my webiste to learn more about cardio activity for weight loss here at Walking for Weight Loss and here in Heart Rate Training.

daveirl thank you (it was always an ambition to have more letters after my name than in it )

seamus, good point...most trainers right out of college charge about 50 quid a session. The goods ones charge a hell of a lot more. On the other hand you can get progams designed and nurtirion plans done for a lot less. If you'd like more info pm me.

telecaster_dub

read this link to lipotrim

http://community.vhi.ie/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/574107/m/5671011/p/9

Dragan im sorry for saying wipe ur mouth etc

i do really appreciate the advise ok

just doing something great for 4 weeks and no seeing any difference makes me p***ed off

i just want todo this to give me a quick head start

im 19.5 stone but really dont look it so 1.5 stone would look a big difference to me

i dont agree with these diets as long term etc but just to give me the motivation to want to keep weight off

Smellyirishman

At this stage, there is no arguement, your going to go ahead with it and that seems final. I would just like to track a few things perhaps...

Could you see how many pushups you can do now, and how many you can do at the end, or indeed how many squats you can do? Anything to measure some sort of strength/composition changes. Also, I would like to know where you are come January after the initial fad of eating well might wear off.

Since your going to do this, we may as well learn something along the way, anyone got any better ideas of what we could request? Hell, if we are tracking you it might even encourage you more to stick to good habits!

rubadub

telecaster_dub wrote:

fruit in morning with 2 slices of wholegrain brown bread and orange juice

then oven cooked chicken breast with carrots,cabbage,brockali,etc and in evening id have a salad

ham,turkey,beetroot,scallions,lettuce,tomato etc for 4 weeks and then did

How many calories were you taking in? (it is well worth learning how to count calories if you did not). You can eat healthy food but still be having massive portions (body builders do it). A pint of orange juice has about 260kcal, 2 thick slices of bread could be 200kcal. Was the bread dry or buttered. How much fruit were you eating, bananas are high in sugar.

I would aim for 6 meals a day, it helped me a lot. My stomach is never empty and never fully full, so it has shrunk, I get full easier and never eat enough to stretch it. It also boosts the metabolism.

Doing weights is very important to stop muscle loss, I put my weight loss (well fat loss) mainly down to weights, I have lost 3 stone in 18months and probably 3.5stone of fat due to an increase in muscle. But you have to lift heavy weights to build muscle.

You treat exercise as torture, I am not in a gym, I walk and cycle everywhere, the shops, the pub etc. I cycle to work (which is faster than driving), by doing this I have MORE spare time, yet am getting exercise too.

telecaster_dub

do people no read at all !!!!!

im not doing this till january etc doing it for 3 weeks to lose a stone or a bit more and then go the gym and use this experience as a learning curve and help me make the most of proper food and regular excercise and appreciate it more

it seems to be a very popular diet

i havnt actually decided to do it

thats why im researching it on the net

i wouldnt jump willy nilly into any diet without proper research

jester77

You really should listen to the advice that is being given here, it's good. You said yourself that you are lazy. So what's the point in going on the fad diet. Once it's over you'll be back to your lazy habits again, only then it will be much worse. Why? With this diet you will not only lost fat but also muscle. So what you might say. Well muscle burns calories and the more muscle you have the more caloreis you will burn, which means holding onto less fat. So after this diet you will have less muscle and fat will store much easier.
You say people have no time. I've no time either but I still manage to get up every morning at 6:30 and go for a 45 min cycle before work and get to the gym on the way home 4 days a week for another 45 mins. Not really that much time. I bet you watch more TV than that every day??
You really have to tackle your "laziness"! You said you tried the healthy way, but were you measuring your calories. Do you know what your maintenance calorie level is? How much you should be eating to lose weight?
You didn't become overweight overnight, so you shouldn't be looking for a magic cure to lose it overnight. Go the healthy route and don't look to lose more than 2lbs a week, anymore and it's not healthy. Read the stickies in this forum, they have everything you need to get going and if you run into problems along the way then everyone here will be more that willing to help you out!

Moonbeam

My mother is on it the past year or so and has lost about 5 stone and gone from about a size 20 to a 12.

She seems happy enough with it,and gets to take breaks from it for the holidays and stuff.

Smellyirishman

telecaster_dub wrote:

it seems to be a very popular diet

That's because it seems to be a very easy solution.

I read on that link you posted that once you have been on Lipotrim once, you can never go on it again, why is this?

Also, a lot of the people taking this seemingly easy way out were not even dedicated enough to stick to the easy way and were eating when they should not have been. This is the route cause of the problem, not "lack of time" or "slow metabolism".

So, are you just waiting until janurary so you can do reasearch? Why not spend the time until january losing 1-2 pounds a week? That's 16-32lbs..... yep, you guess it, the amount of weight you want to lose using this silly diet.

telecaster_dub

who said i was researching till january ????? jesus for f**ksake

im going to go on it sat september 2nd ok for 3 weeks and then off it and then hit gym and re-evaluate the way i eat

what about people who use muscle gain and protein shakes etc thats not natural is it ??? its suppiment so whjy cant diets be ???

i cant stand body builders who so vain using gods knows what to be bigger etc

but its what they want and some people dont need these tablets steroids etc

daveirl

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telecaster_dub

each to there own dave i suppose


ive heard nothing but good things about this diet and maybe its just what i need to kickstart me to make most of proper eating

i aint doing this to lose weight to then go back to eating crap

im doing this to re educate myself and realise how important healthy eathing is

but very slow weight lose is dis-heartening so i want to lose a big quick and then go gym tone up and do cardio and eat a balanced diet

3 weeks is hardly a 6-9 months as some people are on it

Smellyirishman

telecaster_dub wrote:

who said i was researching till january ????? jesus for f**ksake

Relax, it was just some miscommunication. You said;

telecaster_dub wrote:

do people no read at all !!!!!

im not doing this till january

So I took that to mean, I am not starting untill January, as I had read your piece and knew that you only planned to do it for a few weeks. Perhaps if you had read my piece you would have realised that I wanted some feedback from your experience in January AFTER you had been on the diet and had a few months off it and had gone through the "rough" christmas months etc... that is all, no need to get so strung up.

daveirl

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Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

who said i was researching till january ????? jesus for f**ksake

Generally speaking, if a number of people are misinterpreting your posts, it's because your not making a lot of sense in them. Try writing in a more clear and concise manner.

telecaster_dub wrote:

im going to go on it sat september 2nd ok for 3 weeks and then off it and then hit gym and re-evaluate the way i eat

I suggest you do the re-evaluation on the weeks you are taking it, that way you can come straight into a proper diet and have a bit of nutritional knowledge to work with.

telecaster_dub wrote:

what about people who use muscle gain and protein shakes etc thats not natural is it ??? its suppiment so whjy cant diets be ???

These are supplements to my diet, not the whole diet. I still eat 5 wholefood meals a day that are carefully planned and prepared. I don't live on shakes.

telecaster_dub wrote:

i cant stand body builders who so vain using gods knows what to be bigger etc

Indeed. I imagine they can't stand fat lazy people who do nothing to get in better shape. Each to there own.

And as Dave said, i can't see why you would bring this up either, it has nothing to do with your situation at all.

telecaster_dub wrote:

but its what they want and some people dont need these tablets steroids etc

Indeed it is, and some poeple need to eat shakes all day because they don't have the willpower to stick to a balanced eating plan, or the honesty to admit when they fail it is because they couldn't or the effort was lacking.

telecaster_dub

I suggest you do the re-evaluation on the weeks you are taking it, that way you can come straight into a proper diet and have a bit of nutritional knowledge to work with.

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exactly what im going to do Dragan : )

i know it has nothing to do with my situation

i was pointing out

some people ie my brother who takes vitamin and cod liver oil tablets and does alot of cardio , jogged from ashbourne to finglas 4 times last week and does alot of weights also but doesnt seem to have the ability to bulk up but then again some are just blessed to be able to bulk up

just like people who cant gain weight , my mate was a horse rider and he ate twice what i did and all **** like peanuts and 18 chicken nuggets and 2 burgers and fries yes all true but never put on a pic but me i just look at food and gain weight

thats what my point ius

if i was seeing good results after balanced diet and gym workouts is stay on that as im very disaplined but when u do it for ages and see no change its annoying

Dragan

telecaster_dub wrote:

if i was seeing good results after balanced diet and gym workouts is stay on that as im very disaplined but when u do it for ages and see no change its annoying

To be honest, i doubt your discipline. It's really that simple. I posted about about 4 different conflicting statements that you had made with regards to your discipline.

I just don't think you have the willpower......i think maybe you think you do.

You have pretty much been told you were undereating already, so i'm not gonna cover that. You need to research, you need to put the effort in. You need to learn as much as you can.

To be honest everything about your posts tells me you haven't a clue what your at, just running off assumption that less food and some excercise will mean you lose weight. It's not that simple, you need to be clever and know what your doing.

And adding muscular weight is completely different to losing adipose. SOme people can have a fast metabolism, and eat what they a lot and not gain weight......but the only way you add weight is to eat more than your body can use.

It's that simple.

Kinetic^

There is no luck in dieting, you change your diet to stay at your current weight/bulk/lose weight.

rubadub

You may have a slow metabolism, and your brothers is fast. Most see this as a bad thing, one upside is you can save money on food!, compare it to a 1 litre car and a huge truck, both have different "miles per gallon" you would not pump 100's of gallons of fuel into a small car if it doesnt need it.

I now realise I do have a slow metabolism.

Take measurements of yourself, get a fat calipers if you can, if you are doing weights (which you should) then you can be losing fat and putting on muscle at the same rate. I have been 12 stone for the last few months yet have lost a lot from my waist. Take photos of yourself right now. You will not notice the gradual change, like a small child growing up in your house. I do not think I have lost much and then see old photos of me.