Breakfast cereals unhealthy

esperanza

As I couldn't find a health forum here on boards, I'll post here.

I've stopped eating breakfast cereals years ago, they are a waste of money and also not very healthy according to the following study:

http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=17359026&date=20/07/2006

I've switched to porridge, which is so cheap (77 cent for 500g) and much healthier (you decide how much sugar you want to add). To sweeten it up I add a little jam or some fruit - delicious. What's best is that it keeps you full until next mealtime!

Muesli is also a good alternative, but all the bits and pieces get stuck in your teeth, very annoying.

Sangre

Yes

Chucky the tree

They always have been. It just the majority of people are retarded and believe everything that is said on a tv add.

If kellogs came out with a new breakfest cereal made from dog **** and claimed it would help in weight loss and make girls tits grow bigger people would go out and buy it.

Its incredible.

Dont even get me started of those "healthy" cereal bars. ****'n disgrace..

esperanza

Chucky the tree wrote:

They always have been. It just the majority of people are retarded and believe everything that is said on a tv add.

If kellogs came out with a new breakfest cereal made from dog **** and claimed it would help in weight loss and make girls tits grow bigger people would go out and buy it.

Its incredible.

Dont even get me started of those "healthy" cereal bars. ****'n disgrace..

Yeah I can't get over how some people buy into advertising (I for one refuse to watch advertising). Our ancestors had no breakfast cereals and I'm sure they were a lot stronger and healthier than Irish people nowadays. All you need in the morning is some fibre and vitamin c, whether that be in the form of bread or a juice. The body also does not need tea or coffee, although coffee gives that much needed pep in the morning, and can also aid digestion after a large meal.

Gillo

Chucky the tree wrote:

If kellogs came out with a new breakfest cereal made from dog **** and claimed it would help in weight loss and make girls tits grow bigger people would go out and buy it.
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What if blokes eat it, will they grow tits?

I normally eat a bowel of museli or sometimes a fry, can't stand those "kids" cerials with all the sugar.

Sangre

esperanza wrote:

. Our ancestors had no breakfast cereals and I'm sure they were a lot stronger and healthier than Irish people nowadays.

Yes, they were simpler, healthier times. How I pine for the days when my life expectancy was 40.

daveirl

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esperanza

daveirl wrote:

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Ok then add in some vitamin a and d (milk), but basically some form of fibre and juice is ok. I get by perfectly well on that!

Sangre

And I get by perfectly fine on 20 cigarettes a day. They must be healthy!

esperanza

Sangre wrote:

And I get by perfectly fine on 20 cigarettes a day. They must be healthy!

Get your lungs x-rayed and you'll soon find out how bad your health is!!!

Sangre

Nope, lungs are fine. Ipso facto cigarettes are healthy.

esperanza

Sangre wrote:

Nope, lungs are fine. Ipso facto cigarettes are healthy.

Yeah, right!!!

Sangre

.....are you for real?

Chucky the tree

gillo wrote:

What if blokes eat it, will they grow tits?
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Well the "healthy, weight loss" breakfasts are marketed for women so thats why i used that example.


Although if your looking for bigger tits i hear glenda glisson is advertising some magic pill for it!

ThrownAway

They do have nutritional values though it's not like they kill you :eek:

About the Museli thing, I don't like rasins or any other berry fruit so I pick them all out

Kevster

In my personal opinion the only things overtly wrong with cereals are advertising and sugar (Plain or chocolate derived). Some of the ads are especially aimed at children and it just so happens that these are usually the high-in-sugar cereals. Everything else in cereals is fine - and they really are fortified with essential vitamins and minerals.


There is far too much stigma around healthy-eating nowadays. I feel that research of this nature will serve to indirectly increase the amount of eating disorders in our society. The cereal companies are entitled to sell their products but it's up to the parents to train their children on healthy eating.


Kevin.

King of Kings

not all cereals are kak.

and there are better than nothing....

my sn refused to eat my cereal (flahavan's hi 8) but would eat cheerios...what do i do?
give him nothing or let him eat cheerios
incidentially i fancied a break from museli so bought some shedded wheat which he wolfs down.

my point is you cannot lable everything bad cos of coco pops and frosties.

I'll admit there is some stinkers out there. But I think there are worse crimes against huimanity than cereals...

we should start on whatever makes women crave chocolate..

Chucky the tree

So what ever your son wants, he gets?

foxyboxer

Chucky the tree wrote:

They always have been. It just the majority of people are retarded and believe everything that is said on a tv add.

If kellogs came out with a new breakfest cereal made from dog **** and claimed it would help in weight loss and make girls tits grow bigger people would go out and buy it.

Its incredible.

Dont even get me started of those "healthy" cereal bars. ****'n disgrace..

you're ideas intrigue me and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

r3nu4l

foxyboxer wrote:

you're ideas intrigue me and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

If in doubt, always rely on the wisdom of Homer J Simpson

I actually agree that teh only cereal worth eating in the morning is porridge or ready brek/shredded wheat/weetabix at a push! A lot of the muselis rely heavily on hidden sugars (in the fruits) and while these are better than refined sugar, they are still sugar so you can experience the old blood sugar crash around 11 am.

Smellyirishman

Chucky the tree wrote:

So what ever your son wants, he gets?

I really hope I missed the sarcasm in that post. The kid wants some cheerios for christ sake. You would swear King was feeding his son MacDonalds 7 days a week.

Anyway, yes, manufactured cereals = bad. Although they are better than skipping breakfast I guess and there are worse things out there.

justsomebloke

r3nu4l wrote:

A lot of the muselis rely heavily on hidden sugars (in the fruits) and while these are better than refined sugar, they are still sugar so you can experience the old blood sugar crash around 11 am.

Would you then suggest that people don't eat fruit full stop due to the sugar in them

r3nu4l

jsb wrote:

Would you then suggest that people don't eat fruit full stop due to the sugar in them

[sarcastic response]Oh yeah, that's exactly what I would suggest, that's exactly what I was implying and what you inferred from my post :rolleyes:[/sarcastic response]

Short answer, no!

Longer answer, fruit and vegetables provide many excellent nutrients for maintaining a healthy body, however, one must remain aware that the levels of sugars in fruits and certain vegetables are extremely high and an extremely high intake will lead to conversion of the carbohydrate content to fat if this is not meatbolised.

Too much of anything is bad for you, even fibre believe it or not!

As I already stated, the sugar in fruits will always be better than the refined cr*p you get in "frosted" or chocolate covered cereals.

Finally, trolling is bad for your health too, it makes you blind! So stop trolling now!

Dragan

r3nu4l wrote:

Finally, trolling is bad for your health too, it makes you blind! So stop trolling now!

I find it funny, that given the difference in your post counts and your join dates that you accuse someone of having such a low post count over such a long as being a troll.

I also am very familiar with JSB's posting history, on this site and on the one i run, and i can happily say that he is definitely not a troll, and can offer some of the best advice out there, on a continuing basis, even when he ends up answering the same question, over and over.

Now then, as for the fruit in breakfast cereals. The high GI of the fruit should be tempered to a degree by the low GI of the main carb source.....that said...anyone who is eating "Just Right" and trying to convince themselves it is healthy is getting what they deserve.

Porridge oats, with a small ammount of honey, or raisens or a bit of chopped fruit...or hell, even some natural yoghurt is hardly difficult to make.

r3nu4l

Dragan wrote:

I find it funny, that given the difference in your post counts and your join dates that you accuse someone of having such a low post count over such a long as being a troll.

:rolleyes:
Post count and join date have nothing to do with trolling! Just because I only discovered boards.ie in January this year and have actively participated in multiple fora does not make me a troll.

Likewise someone posting few posts over many eyars does not mean that they never troll! The comment seemed very troll-like to me i.e. facetious tone, deliberately inferring and mis-construing a tiny part of the post to elicit a response.

I'm getting sick of the whole "Join date means something" lark at boards.ie. It doesn't mean a thing! I've been a member of bulletin boards since long before the www was a global widespread phenomenon (even before the 386 was considered a fast machine), but I do not go around telling all boardies they are n00bs! Join dates, post counts = so much rubbish.

So he's been a great and useful poster, brilliant. However, I'm sure he could have made his point without coming across the way he did. Therefore the post was trolling at worst, simply silly and stupid at best.

An intelligently posed, serious query would have been better appreciated and not been counted as trolling.

g'em

r3nu4l... chillax will ye? :rolleyes: jsb wasn't being facetious. Anyway, let's be boring and drag this bad boy back OT...

r3nu4l wrote:

one must remain aware that the levels of sugars in fruits and certain vegetables are extremely high and an extremely high intake will lead to conversion of the carbohydrate content to fat if this is not meatbolised.

Too much of anything is bad for you, even fibre believe it or not!

one must also be aware of the scope of people who read this board- some have great diets, exercise regularly, know what a macronutrient is and will happily argue and knit-pick about this sort of thing. And then there are others who will happily go about their life regarding the limp piece of lettuce in their Big Mac as a serving of fresh vegetables.

Technically, you're correct, but the reality is there's no need to discourage people from eating fresh fruit and veg. The vast majority of people undereat f + v to a huge degree and it makes me uncomfortable when I see posts that can easily be miscontsrued. Of course anything in too huge amounts is bad for you, but in this case, that extreme is sooo extreme it's negated by the positive benefits of eating fruit and veg.

In closing, porridge rocks. IT rocks with milk or water or yoghurt or banana or honey or protein or even, when you're feeling naughty, ice cream. Now go eat an apple and a couple of carrots.

r3nu4l

Now that was an intelligent reply, thank you, I do agree completely with what you've said

g'em wrote:

r3nu4l... chillax will ye? :rolleyes:

chillax Love it! Will add to my sig.

Interestingly, does anyone else think that the addition of trans fats (hydrogenated oils) to cerals and "healthy" ceral bars has largely gone uncommented upon.

Everyone talks about the sugar content but nobody mentions the trans fats? Now, those bad boys are are really bad for you!

stakey

nyom! coco pops!

Dragan

r3nu4l wrote:

I'm getting sick of the whole "Join date means something" lark at boards.ie. It doesn't mean a thing! I've been a member of bulletin boards since long before the www was a global widespread phenomenon (even before the 386 was considered a fast machine), but I do not go around telling all boardies they are n00bs! Join dates, post counts = so much rubbish.

I was not implying it was the be all and end all, merely saying that i found it rather humourous is all.

Either way, i could undestand JSB being a little mischevious with his post....the "hidden sugars"....run run for your lives!!!

Now then, as for trans fats, yeah, most people have not learned to dodge them yet.....it will catch on in time i suppose!!!!

r3nu4l

Dragan wrote:

Either way, i could undestand JSB being a little mischevious with his post....the "hidden sugars"....run run for your lives!!!

OK, I concede the point I'm always amazed though by the people who don't realise that fruits contain sugar :eek: hence the 'hidden' sugar bit

At the moment in the UK, there is a campaign underway to attempt food manufacturers to label the amount of trans fats in food rather than just saturated and unsaturated. Interesting to see whether this will get the go-ahead or whether the big corporations will use marketing and financial muscle to stop it.

The only reason they have added vitamins and minerals to cereals seems to be due to the trend for healthier eating.

Dragan

r3nu4l wrote:

The only reason they have added vitamins and minerals to cereals seems to be due to the trend for healthier eating.

I'm very much liking the way some companies are running with it actually!!

Tesco have nutritional breakouts and GI ratings on EVERYTHING! I went into Tesco's yesterday and got some fruit...and the bag for each one told me carbs, fats, proteins, calories per 100gram and GI rating, which i was liking!!!

Hopefully the whole transfat issue will get more publicity and they will start thinking about that as well!

g'em

r3nu4l wrote:

Interestingly, does anyone else think that the addition of trans fats (hydrogenated oils) to cerals and "healthy" ceral bars has largely gone uncommented upon.

Everyone talks about the sugar content but nobody mentions the trans fats? Now, those bad boys are are really bad for you!

ooh, don't think I've ever been sig-quoted before... I feel so special

Tbh, trans fats and hydrogenated oils are worthy of a thread all on their own. Most people don't know about them and the whole fat = bad idea still permeates most people's ideas of healthy eating.

How many people know the difference between saturated fat, unsaturated fats (monounsaturated + polyunsaturated), trans fats, cholesterol (LDL and HDL), what makes an oil hydrogenated, which ones are good for you, which are bad, which help to regulate the others and how much of each should be in the diet?

Of course there is one easy answer. Cut out processed foods from your diet.

I usually have some toasted oats mixed with some raisians and a small bit of low far natural yougurt. Seems to work well.

inigo

g'em wrote:

Of course there is one easy answer. Cut out processed foods from your diet.

That will also help you to get off soya...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1828158,00.html

Seraphina

r3nu4l wrote:

:rolleyes:
Post count and join date have nothing to do with trolling! Just because I only discovered boards.ie in January this year and have actively participated in multiple fora does not make me a troll.

no... it makes you a spammer

r3nu4l

Seraphina wrote:

no... it makes you a spammer

Says the person who only posted in this thread to have a pop at me and not actually contribute to the topic :rolleyes:

Actually, the only reason that the (British) supermarkets added the nutritional breakdowns that now exist was to circumvent proposed British legislation that would have forced all manufacturers to adhere to a defined standardised code. They were worried that this code would force them to show a lot more than they currently do and so "self-regulated" their labelling. It is better than nothing but still leaves a lot to be desired, particularly concerning the so called "healthy foods" such as the sugary pro-biotic drinks.

King of Kings

Chucky the tree wrote:

So what ever your son wants, he gets?

yes yes and furthermore YES....I feed him chocolate all day long to keep him sedate:D I do likewise to my wife and I get the silence I crave

incidentially i'd guess you don't have kids.

It's all well and good letting him skip breakfast (I could force feed him - but that would probably have me in grief with the law) or I could let him eat cheerios.
It's not too hard a choice.

cavanmaniac

Resurrecting this old one folks - had a Kelkin muesli this morning and my eyes nearly went cross eyed it was so goddamn sweeeeeeeet! Ew! Not for me at all.

Can someone recommend the best shop-bought muesli out there please, one that's obviously not so full of sugars? I eat porridge as well normally but fancy a change every couple of weeks so like to keep some muesli on standby...

g'em

cavanmaniac wrote:

Can someone recommend the best shop-bought muesli out there please, one that's obviously not so full of sugars? I eat porridge as well normally but fancy a change every couple of weeks so like to keep some muesli on standby...

Flahavans Hi8 muesli.

Wow this thread is old... And I can't beleive I said "one must also be aware..." Jeebus what a nerdling. Must have been in the middle of thesis-writing mode

EdgarAllenPoo

Porridge is your only man or failing that weetabix crunchy bran. I love that stuff but it's hard to find in most shops.

CerebralCortex

King of Kings wrote:

yes yes and furthermore YES....I feed him chocolate all day long to keep him sedate:D I do likewise to my wife and I get the silence I crave

incidentially i'd guess you don't have kids.

It's all well and good letting him skip breakfast (I could force feed him - but that would probably have me in grief with the law) or I could let him eat cheerios.
It's not too hard a choice.

What exactly is wrong with cheerios, seriously for a nutritional point of view? IMHO they are disgusting.

g'em

CerebralCortex wrote:

What exactly is wrong with cheerios, seriously for a nutritional point of view? IMHO they are disgusting.

Ingredients:

Whole Grain Cereal Grains (74.3%)(Whole Grain Maize, Whole Grain Oats, Whole Grain Barley, Whole Grain Wheat, Whole Grain Rice), Sugar, Partially Inverted Brown Sugar Syrup, Wheat Starch, Rice Flour, Salt, Tripotassium Phosphate, Vegetable Oil, Colours: Caramel and Annatto, Antioxidant: Tocopherols.

So sugars are the #2 and #3 ingredient, and they're high GI and highly processed.

Still, they're better than coco pops or honey nut cornflakes, and besides which I can totally see where KoK (never ceases to make me roffle ) is coming from - better his child eats moderately nutritious cereals of his own free will than let him starve or force something into him.

But for us adults Cherrios are a lazy option for brekkie and there's plenty else out there that's better for you.

SuprSi

I have to agree with the Flahavan's Hi8 vote. I've just started eating it and it's lovely. I got sick of porridge very quickly, even spicing it up with cinnamon or jam. I'll probably get sick of Hi8 too, but so far I'm very happy with it.

rubadub

A lot of cereals are really just sweets, sugar puffs are almost 50% sugar. I think even that Hi8 is 25%+ sugar, albeit from dried fruits.

But kids will not accept that cereals are sweets. I wonder if it would be better off telling the kid if they eat porridge they can also have a mini mars bar in the morning as a treat.

I am eating cold milk & porridge oats with no sugar all the time now, and usually an apple & egg. I read somewhere that apples wake/energise you more than coffee in the morning, cant remember what is in them.

nesf

rubadub wrote:

But kids will not accept that cereals are sweets. I wonder if it would be better off telling the kid if they eat porridge they can also have a mini mars bar in the morning as a treat.

You're better off never having the bad stuff in the house. If you don't buy it, they can't eat it. That and practice what you preach, if you're having Cornflakes or something and trying to get them to eat porridge...

We had porridge every morning as kids as far back as I can remember. I never tasted Cheerios etc until I got to college and was looking for an easier to make substitute.

nesf

g'em wrote:

better his child eats moderately nutritious cereals of his own free will than let him starve or force something into him.

You could apply that in general to adults if you factor in that it's highly unlikely that most of them are not going to become highly health concious.

Dragan wrote:

I'm very much liking the way some companies are running with it actually!!

Tesco have nutritional breakouts and GI ratings on EVERYTHING! I went into Tesco's yesterday and got some fruit...and the bag for each one told me carbs, fats, proteins, calories per 100gram and GI rating, which i was liking!!!

Hopefully the whole transfat issue will get more publicity and they will start thinking about that as well!

The market will fix it. If enough people get the idea into their heads that trans-fats are bad companies will start targeting that market and after a while it can become "standard" in many cases.

Well, not for everything, but for quite a few things.

ceidefields

Well it's already standard to be trans-fat free in the US, so it should be coming your way soon. It all started after New York City banned all trans fats from its restaurants. Soon all the biscuits, cakes, junk food etc had brought out trans-fat free versions.

nesf

ceidefields wrote:

Well it's already standard to be trans-fat free in the US, so it should be coming your way soon. It all started after New York City banned all trans fats from its restaurants. Soon all the biscuits, cakes, junk food etc had brought out trans-fat free versions.

Yeah, I've noticed a few packages proudly proclaiming that they were trans-fat free, which was good to see.

I'm assuming they didn't ban milk etc and just "added" trans-fats?

Jesus Wept

So ready brek is decent? I imagine it's not as good as porridge, but is it in the good catagory, or the less bad?

yabadabado

what do people think are the 5 best breakfast cereals on the market.the reason i ask is i try to vary my cereals as much as i can othervise i just get sick of one(ate museli every morning for about 3yrs cant stomach the stuff now).so what are peoples top 5?

Glowing

Porridge
Just Right (what's wrong with that?)
Weetabix
Bran Flakes
Erm ......