Gardai in Swords driving a 06VW Toureg - Resources Wasted ??

mrbungle

Resources and tax payers money wasted, in my opinion.

It's true, I couldn't believe it when I saw it, just 5mins ago at Airside. 06 Black VW Toureg, 2 'lads', uniformed, swanning around.

Watch your backs around Swords/Santry/Airport.



Smart car, didn't get close enough to check if there was leather !!

colm_mcm

once you take the VAT VRT, and mosty of VW's margin out, the Touareg isn't that expensive!

Silvera

Perhaps one of them owns the car?
I've seen guards driving to work/home in uniform ...or going for food.

Squirrel

Well, it'll work, they can catch speeders, and fair enough if they get nice cars. Which engine was it do you know or other identifiable marks? That could be a clue for people. ALso, as colm_mcm says, take out VAT and VRT and it wouldn't be that expensive

colm_mcm

wouldn't think much of the 2.5 TDi you might as well buy a Transporter

mrbungle

Squirrel wrote:

Well, it'll work, they can catch speeders, and fair enough if they get nice cars. Which engine was it do you know or other identifiable marks? That could be a clue for people. ALso, as colm_mcm says, take out VAT and VRT and it wouldn't be that expensive

Black, virtually brand new, 06, still shining. Regular alloys, didn't get the model/marking.

After VAT+VRT still twice the price of an Avensis, that being my point.

colm_mcm

mrbungle wrote:

Black, virtually brand new, 06, still shining. Regular alloys, didn't get the model/marking.

After VAT+VRT still twice the price of an Avensis, that being my point.

They won't buy the Avensis cos it's too expensive......

Gone West

Nothing wrong with it tbh.
99% probability it is a personal car (must be a detective or above to be able to afford it )
If not, its not a whole lot of wasted money.

mrbungle

FuzzyLogic wrote:

Nothing wrong with it tbh.
99% probability it is a personal car (must be a detective or above to be able to afford it )
If not, its not a whole lot of wasted money.

2 uniformed lads driving it. Will add again if I see it over the next while.

11811

the car could have been seized,i saw a gaurd the other day in a civic complete with bodykit and furry dice.he was hard out on traffic duty!

ninty9er

Ooh Oooh. put an order in for an LS 600h lol

misterq

Unless you actually saw them performing official duties in it mrbungle, you can't be sure it wasn't a personal car, in which case your giving them an unfair rap.

Cops are entitled to wear their uniform to work.

I saw one going to work on the DART once. I didn't jump to the conclusion that the Gardai in Shankill had gone totally over the top and splashed out on a train for themselves.

Gone West

misterq wrote:

I saw one going to work on the DART once. I didn't jump to the conclusion that the Gardai in Shankill had gone totally over the top and splashed out on a train for themselves.

rofl

mrbungle

misterq wrote:

Unless you actually saw them performing official duties in it mrbungle, you can't be sure it wasn't a personal car, in which case your giving them an unfair rap.

Cops are entitled to wear their uniform to work.

It was just a heads up, if you live around swords, the cops issue points like shooting fish in a barrel for fun around airside and the airport roundabout.

You know, the 60kmph zone, where all the people are getting killed in Ireland.

Is it necessary to pic up points for 62 in a 60kmph?

testicle

mrbungle wrote:

Is it necessary to pic up points for 62 in a 60kmph?

Yes, it is the law. 60 is the limit not the target...

ninty9er

testicle wrote:

Yes, it is the law. 60 is the limit not the target...

Here's a call for systematic soldiering - let's just call them targets to be reached but not exceeded because the people who don't reach them cause accidents by doing half the limit

testicle

You'll find that it's not the people doing half the limit that are causing the accidents, it's the fools doing stupid things trying to get past them.

CLADA

Guards driving Touaregs. What a waste of money and resources, why can't they continue to drive the ten year old corollas the two young guards in Finglas were killed in 3 years ago, or the bog standard mondeo that the joyrider struck and killed two in in Donnybrook in. If I was driving a patrol car in Dublin I think I would be looking for armour plating at this stage!!!

Spitfire666

Its not a garda car for god sake, I can tell you now its not. the only car that is at all "interesting" in the area is the blue Forester and thats based in santry, its one of the traffic unit cars.
You didnt get done for doing 62 in a 60 and anyone who says they did is talking ****e. you would need to be doing at least 70 before getting anything more then a telling off.

mrbungle

Spitfire666 wrote:

Its not a garda car for god sake, I can tell you now its not. the only car that is at all "interesting" in the area is the blue Forester and thats based in santry, its one of the traffic unit cars.
You didnt get done for doing 62 in a 60 and anyone who says they did is talking ****e. you would need to be doing at least 70 before getting anything more then a telling off.

My boss got 2 points doing 65 on that stretch between airside and the coachmans inn roundabout. He was in the left lane, a guy went past him and the cops pulled my boss. Told me on Thursday. Nice.

I live right beside that stretch of road, it's usually a cop on a motorbike, hiding behind it.

colm_mcm

If he was actually doing 65, his speedo would be showing over 70. no excuse really. If he had been driving according to his speedo reading of 60, chances are he'd have been clocked at 55

Spitfire666

i know for a fact that he didnt get done doing 65. until i seen the fine in the post i wouldnt believe that for a second. the lads in santry wont do you for travaling 5kph over. almost all of them operate on a system wherebye they set the speedguns at 10kph over the limit for the area. its due to the fact that 1) speedos are not calibrated acurately, and 2) they are not gradded suffiently so one couldnt possibly tell the diff between doing 101 and 102 or 103 for example.

Spitfire666

colm_mcm wrote:

If he was actually doing 65, his speedo would be showing over 70. no excuse really. If he had been driving according to his speedo reading of 60, chances are he'd have been clocked at 55

That isnt always true either, not all cars show a speed above actual speed. ive seen some the opposite

mrbungle

My boss must be lying. He wasn't particularly happy when he told me.

The Muppet

Spitfire666 wrote:

Its not a garda car for god sake, I can tell you now its not.

Are you Sure, I live in Swords and while I have not seen said car myself I have heard it exists from some natives who claim to have seen it patroling locally.

Spitfire666

people always exagerate the facts when it comes to things like getting fined, i.e. its never their fault, or they were only speeding because they were over taking a car that was doing the limit (which i almost laughed at a guy when i heard that one as an excuse)

Spitfire666

The Muppet wrote:

Are you Sure, I live in Swords and while I have not seen said car myself I have heard it exists from some natives who claim to have seen it patroling locally.

IM SURE.

Diamondmaker

misterq wrote:

Unless you actually saw them performing official duties in it mrbungle, you can't be sure it wasn't a personal car, in which case your giving them an unfair rap.

Cops are entitled to wear their uniform to work.

I saw one going to work on the DART once. I didn't jump to the conclusion that the Gardai in Shankill had gone totally over the top and splashed out on a train for themselves.

maidhc

Spitfire666 wrote:

That isnt always true either, not all cars show a speed above actual speed. ive seen some the opposite

Wrong wheels then. The manufacturers do it to avoid being hit with a negligence action... e.g. a driver claiming the pessimistic speedo caused him to crash.

Spitfire666

thats what i ment. also older cars sometimes dont read the correct speed even if they are on standard wheels. just being old.

Sizzler

mrbungle wrote:

Resources and tax payers money wasted, in my opinion.

It's true, I couldn't believe it when I saw it, just 5mins ago at Airside. 06 Black VW Toureg, 2 'lads', uniformed, swanning around.

Watch your backs around Swords/Santry/Airport.



Smart car, didn't get close enough to check if there was leather !!

Steady on son ! Did you actually see them doing anything apart from driving it in Airside?? Were they doing speed checks? Pulling people ? If you just saw them driving in it I have a theory.....one of the lads wants to buy a Toureg so they went here on their lunch.

http://www.mcallistervolkswagen.ie

Nothing wrong with that?

Id be amazed if they have one for police use. If they do then I'll be miffed as the rest of yis !

lightening

So no excuses then Spitfire, even if your over the speed limit while passing to get by a guy going under the limit?

Spitfire666

well lightening, thats not what i said, read my post again youl see that i said "to overtake a car doing the limit"

If your overtaking a car under the limit then you wont be done unless you continue over the limit once you overtake as MOSTLY you get clocked more then once when you are in and around the speed they would do you for.

and to be honest, if you need to go OVER the limit to overtake then the car your passing is near enough the limit that there is no real need to overtake. As stated, its a limit not a target.

bbability

I wonder has there been any speed checks/checkpoints or what ever carried out on any of the roads people have being killed on this weekend... probably not becuase the gatso van was parked up on the very start of the naas road yesterday getting ready to catch all the peeps heading home from Croke Park. I'm sure they earned the tax man a nice sum.

As for the Airport and speed checks. If you have been caught in the last few months on the stretch of bend on the M1 just before the airport listen up... If you HAPPENED to enter that section of road southbound (ie exiting for the airport coming from Belfast), the 60km sign has been missing on the right hand side of the exit which means your leaving a 120km limit and entering ont he right hand side lane a ???km limit. Yes you don't know that the limit has changed so your covered if you've picled up points on taht location. The law clearly states that the speed limit must be displayed on both lanes in a dual carriageway/motorway.

m_stan

mrbungle wrote:

It was just a heads up, if you live around swords, the cops issue points like shooting fish in a barrel for fun around airside and the airport roundabout.

and on both sides on the stretch between the Estuary Roundabout and the Lissenhall interchange on the M1.

Spitfire666 wrote:

... the only car that is at all "interesting" in the area is the blue Forester and thats based in santry, its one of the traffic unit cars.

yup - that's the one they try to hide behind the rounabout signs on the aforementioned stretch.

tbh I agree the Gardai should have decent cars but we should also have more Gardai in a town the size of Swords. I personally never see them walking the beat or patrolling my area.

Spitfire666

people always say that the guards never have speed checks on back roads or bad roads but think about it, the guns wont work without a proper straight section of road that allows the car to be A) seen driving at a speed likely to be over the limit and clocked by the gun before its out of sight and then, lets just say that the car is somehow clocked and pulled over on a back road, where can it be pulled over without the risk of the next car coming around the bend over the limit and cleaning both the guard AND the pulled over car? Thats why you will see checkpoints on "good" main roads and in built up areas but wont see them outside. the roads are not safe enough to be able to detect bad drivers effectivlty and also, even if there ARE more guards to do the tasks required the government need to get a grip and get more cars allocated to stations to facilitate the movement of the guards.

Spitfire666

tbh I agree the Gardai should have decent cars but we should also have more Gardai in a town the size of Swords. I personally never see them walking the beat or patrolling my area.


The rumour among guards is that there are 40 from the next group being allocated between swords/coolock. BUT, as i said, what use are they if for example there is only one car allocated to the regular unit in coolock?

lightening

Spitfire666 wrote:

well lightening, thats not what i said, read my post again youl see that i said "to overtake a car doing the limit"

If your overtaking a car under the limit then you wont be done unless you continue over the limit once you overtake as MOSTLY you get clocked more then once when you are in and around the speed they would do you for.

and to be honest, if you need to go OVER the limit to overtake then the car your passing is near enough the limit that there is no real need to overtake. As stated, its a limit not a target.

I know that is not what you said, I never meant to imply that is what you said, I was just asking another question....

Well explained, thanks for clearing that one up. Nice to hear it from someone obviously in the know...

Spitfire666

No problem lightening.
Obviously the part were i say MOSTLY or USUALY are to be stressed, same as any other job, people have bad days where they take it out on 'customers'.

Tipsy Mac

That's the first VAG car I have ever heard of being an undercover or even plain Garda car, not sure what they don't have any, maybe they had to purchase one from the manufacturer as to appear non biased?

lightening

Spitfire666 wrote:

No problem lightening.
Obviously the part were i say MOSTLY or USUALY are to be stressed, same as any other job, people have bad days where they take it out on 'customers'.

Yeah, your right, the last time I got stopped, the Gard admired the car and told me to get an alarm and a good crook lock because "it wont stop them stealing it, but it will make them more eager to take the car beside your one"


he told me to take the GTi badges off too.... I didn't.

Spitfire666

id never wear the badges on a gti/r32/gte/rs etc, they just translate to "rob me" for scumbags. at times i prefer the subtle look too.

green-blood

except the rest of the car/trim are a bit of a give away

bbability

In fairness your right. And they're hardly setting up in certain places of their own back. Certainly the cops here are not supplied or resourced with proper equipment in relation to driving. I can't understand why they don't buy a few cars like the motorway cops across the pond. THEN they have something they can use on the back roads to catch the dangerous drivers.

Spitfire666

because the government dont want to pay money to get the job done right. i think it was mary harney who said she didnt want the guards to have anything above a 2L for "enviroment/emissions" reason. In my opinion the MINIMUM should be a 2L with plenty of 2.5Ls about too. ford even offered to provide a "police pack" for the cars that i would emagine would have better/stronger brakes/gearboxs/clutches and would cost a fair bit at first but wouldnt need to e replaced anywhere near as often thus saving money in the long term, instead, there are cars in service that have and i am deadly serious here, been wrote off 4 TIMES and welded back together and put back on the road. and then people wounder why the gardaí cant provide as good a service as they should.

Spitfire666

green-blood wrote:

except the rest of the car/trim are a bit of a give away

Not always,just look at the golf 4motion, over 4L's and the looks of a standard golf, and also, most scumbags are too stupid to relise that its not just a bodykit.

Longrangedriver

Got flashed by woman today on way home from Limerick, just before I entered Borris in Oss. Halfway through looking for cops, and spotted two VW's, 1 black Toerag, and 1 new black Passat. Both had uniformed Garda on board.

Longrangedriver

Spitfire666 wrote:

Not always,just look at the golf 4motion, over 4L's and the looks of a standard golf, and also, most scumbags are too stupid to relise that its not just a bodykit.

Do Golf 4motion's not have a similar engine to the VR6, a 2.8l v6 24v engine with 4wd.

mrbungle

Longrangedriver wrote:

Got flashed by woman today on way home from Limerick, just before I entered Borris in Oss. Halfway through looking for cops, and spotted two VW's, 1 black Toerag, and 1 new black Passat. Both had uniformed Garda on board.

Looks like you missing out Spitfire666, you should put in a transfer.

Spitfire666

Sorry, yeah, i ment to hit 3L not 4L. they are 2.8L and 3.2L with 4 wheel drive.

@mrbungle.
Yeah, I gotta look into this further, have not heard of, or seen the swords one though. what i do know though is that cars do get offered to the guards by dealers to try them out to see what they think of them and they get passed about to differant areas so it could well be that its the same one. like the mystery VX220 that was on either the galway or cork road. I do know that there is an orange focus ST on the N7. and in the depo the is some mondeo STs but where or when there going i dont know

bbability

Just heard today that the cops have their hands on a couple of the old type (XT Models) Subaru Forester around the Maynooth/Celbridge area. I'm sure there's more on the way....