Holiday Homes in Donegal

muffler

retalivity wrote:

kind of offthread i know, but where could i get hold of the census figures? either online or in paper format?

Page 21 here

Home page here

retalivity

cheers muffler!!!

having a quick look thru, very interesting reading, but i was more interested in the irish speaking/religion/etc.
that info doesnt seem to have been made available yet...

jimmycrackcorm

Average Joe wrote:

i really shouldn't be here, jimmycrackcorm.:D

personally, i'm no better off here in donegal regardless of the "development" that has taken place in the last 20 years, i'm still a nobody, i've worked hard in computers for years, but i'm still unemployed.

Funny you should say that as you could easily be in my shoes worked hard in computers for years but have to live in Dublin for the work. Hence I await the day I can own my own little holiday home in Donegal.

Didn't go to the RTC many moons ago by any chance?

Martyr

Funny you should say that as you could easily be in my shoes worked hard in computers for years but have to live in Dublin for the work. Hence I await the day I can own my own little holiday home in Donegal.

Didn't go to the RTC many moons ago by any chance?

we're going off topic now, but i'll answer you anyway

i'm self-taught mainly, been studying computers for about 8 years now, in my own free time, not for money.

i did go to RTC, but the course was rubbish & i lost interest fairly quick, left it.
was thinking about goin back in september, but i'd rather not, would prefer working, & yes i realise i will have to move for that.

i'm interested in security, maybe you see me posting on security forum here.

never learned anything while in the RTC, except that there were alot of idiots in it, including lecturers & computer staff.
seems to me, anybody can get into college these days.

all i learned was that college is about doing what you're told to do, & if you don't like it, get out.

its is not about how smart you are, how interested you are in one subject, as most just go for the course they think they can make the most money in.
And i've yet to meet a student or teacher goin to the RTC really passionate about their work, same way i would be.
they're all in it for the money.

college is all about obedience & punctuality..the making of a good worker, a slave to the system.

my point previously was that, with all the hoo-hah about "progress" & "development" in Letterkenny that politicians keep shouting about, the only main jobs HERE in DONEGAL, not DUBLIN are menial type or tourist related.

there is pramerica which require programmers now & then, but they only want programmers who work for nothing & so look abroad.
i've no problem with that, but truth is that, they're only here for tax breaks.

matter of fact, i offered to work for nothing, just to get experience, but they weren't interested.

jimmycrackcorm

There's plenty of building jobs agoing as long as people don't complain about all these new holiday homes.

smashey

Average Joe wrote:

never learned anything while in the RTC, except that there were alot of idiots in it, including lecturers & computer staff.
seems to me, anybody can get into college these days.
all i learned was that college is about doing what you're told to do, & if you don't like it, get out.

its is not about how smart you are, how interested you are in one subject, as most just go for the course they think they can make the most money in.
And i've yet to meet a student or teacher goin to the RTC really passionate about their work, same way i would be.
they're all in it for the money.

college is all about obedience & punctuality..the making of a good worker, a slave to the system.

my point previously was that, with all the hoo-hah about "progress" & "development" in Letterkenny that politicians keep shouting about, the only main jobs HERE in DONEGAL, not DUBLIN are menial type or tourist related.

there is pramerica which require programmers now & then, but they only want programmers who work for nothing & so look abroad.
i've no problem with that, but truth is that, they're only here for tax breaks.

matter of fact, i offered to work for nothing, just to get experience, but they weren't interested.

Average Joe, you seem to have a bit of an attitude. Nobody has a divine right to the perfect job. Sometimes you just have to go where the work is. In your case, that rules out Donegal, but that's life. While i'm not a fan of the way holiday homes have been sprouting up in Donegal, sometimes we should remember that we weren't always so affluent, and a lot of those holiday homes kept quite a few builders going for a long time.

Martyr

There's plenty of building jobs agoing as long as people don't complain about all these new holiday homes

ahaha...very funny :rolleyes:
you just keep working hard there down in dublin, jimmycrackcorm.
we've no shortage of jokers here in donegal, ciaran brogan can testify to that. (being the counties top performer now for the second time running!!)

Average Joe, you seem to have a bit of an attitude. Nobody has a divine right to the perfect job. Sometimes you just have to go where the work is. In your case, that rules out Donegal, but that's life. While i'm not a fan of the way holiday homes have been sprouting up in Donegal, sometimes we should remember that we weren't always so affluent, and a lot of those holiday homes kept a quite a few builders going for a long time.

i don't recall saying anyone (including myself ) had the right to a "perfect job" (whatever that entails)

but..in fairness now, like the man from del monte, expect nothing but the best.
i'm the best trained, best equipped, best educated (ok, maybe not educated), best experienced computer specialist..in the county (probably)

but "progress" & "development" is not a monopoly of the north west, corruption on the other hand, IS..& boy are we proud..yep.

smashey

Average Joe wrote:

i don't recall saying anyone (including myself ) had the right to a "perfect job" (whatever that entails)

but..in fairness now, like the man from del monte, expect nothing but the best.
i'm the best trained, best equipped, best educated (ok, maybe not educated), best experienced computer specialist..in the county (probably)

but "progress" & "development" is not a monopoly of the north west, corruption on the other hand, IS..& boy are we proud..yep.

Well, if you are as good as you say you are, then surely you should have no problem getting a job? Or is it a case of you think anybody who would give you a job is either an idiot or a slave to the system?

Martyr

Well, if you are as good as you say you are, then surely you should have no problem getting a job? Or is it a case of you think anybody who would give you a job is either an idiot or a slave to the system?

i know, smashey, i just have a bad attitude, thats all.
there was a good news story on the front of the donegal peoples press about a web design company sponsored by failte, which turned out to be a ..well, read the link below.

http://www.donegaldemocrat.com/story/6836

The whole saga came to light when an outraged American school teacher, Joan Carfora from St. Petersburg in Florida, who holidays regularly in Donegal, alerted friends in this county after inadvertently logging on to the forum section of the website while she searched for Bed and Breakfast accommodation in Donegal.

ROFL

byte

Hehe! But does the content of that forum the sole responsibility of the design company?

bettlebrox

Average Joe wrote:

i know, smashey, i just have a bad attitude, thats all.
there was a good news story on the front of the donegal peoples press about a web design company sponsored by failte, which turned out to be a ..well, read the link below.

http://www.donegaldemocrat.com/story/6836

ROFL

Then there are these 2 lines from the article:

This website is getting 200,000 hits a day and is very popular.

And a paragraph before it says:

...said this was what was described as a "bot" which was short for a robot.

"Occasionally these things will go out and "attack" a site and automatically insert messages.

200,000 hits a day is a lot of hits, and I'd be suspicious of so many hits on such a site. Do they not think that bots could be responsible for many of these. The forum is down for now, but I'd guess they didn't implement some basic bot protection (such as text in picture U have to input). These days any system on the web is open for attack, and most of it is automated attacks scanning for vulnerabilities. And security is a tough job! Guess I'd better stop now as this ain't a technology forum!

On another note:

college is all about obedience & punctuality..the making of a good worker, a slave to the system.

U make it sound like secondary school! Maybe it the RTC's? But when I went to college in Dublin, and over here in Boston I found it much more flexible and open-minded that secondary school. To be honest working as a lecturer at an RTC wouldn't be bad. 3 months holidays a year & loads of time to consult.

muffler

Back on topic again. Has anyone had the chance to study the new County Development Plan yet?

I havent seen the details yet but I do know that the County managers proposal to prohibit holiday homes in certain areas of the county was rejected by the members of the council.

Martyr

I havent seen the details yet but I do know that the County managers proposal to prohibit holiday homes in certain areas of the county was rejected by the members of the council.

i'd like to know primary motives of members in the council.
why did they object?
i don't want to speculate, but they aren't telling us very much.

why isn't the information published in newspapers for everyone to read?
somebody should set up another newspaper in donegal, one that isn't afraid to talk openly about important issues.

muffler

Just a bit of an update on this. The full text of the new development plan will not be available for inspection or purchase until August 8th at the earliest.

That shows how important it is to the Council officials and members to update the public on something that will have far reaching implications for a hell of a lot of people in this County :mad:

section4

muffler wrote:

The CSO figures show a population increase of 9381 in the period 2002 - 2006 - a 4 year period.

I doubt very much if there was half that no. of houses built in the same period

8000 plannning aplications this year, 90% which will be granted, 10 years at 8000 is 80,000, but to err completely on the side of caution we will presume only half that figure which is 40,000.

muffler

section4 wrote:

8000 plannning aplications this year, 90% which will be granted, 10 years at 8000 is 80,000, but to err completely on the side of caution we will presume only half that figure which is 40,000.

8000 planning applications does not mean 8000 houses. I think it would be safe to say that of all the applications this year 30% of them would have been for outline planning permission, 15% - 20% for commercial developments, 10% for retentions and dont forget about the huge number of applications this year for agricultural buildings.

The reason the numbers are so high this year is because of the introduction of the new development plan

jimmycrackcorm

Our company has to put in a planning application just to change the interior of an existing office due to a designation change.

muffler

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Our company has to put in a planning application just to change the interior of an existing office due to a designation change.

Must be a material change of use i would assume

bettlebrox

Interesting article about "bungalow blight" in Northern Ireland:

"Tracts of County Donegal, on the west coast, where there has been pressure from holiday homes, have suff ered the most. In some districts, second homes outnumber those occupied by locals by four to one; in winter, the large villages turn into ghost towns. The county council there belatedly introduced measures restricting home ownership for those not living locally."

And then there is a EU report on Ireland for new EU countries and how not to create urban sprawl:

It reportedly says "extremely passive" planning policies have also led to undesirable urban sprawl in towns and villages throughout Ireland.

WunderFull

Too many holiday homes around home, they are not even designed to fit in with the countryside. Concrete mansions all over the shop do not help the scenery.

The lack of planning is certainly in most of the case due to a lacklustre effort by DCC, planners etc. What people can get away with, they will do.

muffler

WunderFull wrote:

What people can get away with, they will do.

You forgot to mention about what people CANT get away with and still do.

bettlebrox

Is the Construction Industry doing a bit of PR?

http://www.oceanfm.ie/onair/donegalnews.php?articleid=000003632

Donegal is facing a housing shortage with a decrease of almost 10% in the number of houses and apartments which have received planning permission in the last year.

This could lead to an increase in house prices making it more difficult for young people to get on the property ladder according to the Construction Industry Federation.

The CIF's Cathal Lee said that the adequate provision of zoned and serviced land is a problem in Donegal and elsewhere.

Martyr

bettlebrox wrote:

This could lead to an increase in house prices making it more difficult for young people to get on the property ladder according to the Construction Industry Federation

young people can't afford housing anyway.
i have loads of friends working minimum wage jobs, a house is only a dream, that couldn't possibly come true, given current housing prices.
they will NEVER be able to buy a house the way things are.

but sure, we can always provide plenty of land & housing applications to outsiders...of course!! who else REALLY needs them more, than visitors?

surely locals have enough housing already, no? :rolleyes:
who cares about a bunch of poor working class people from donegal getting a house?

jimmycrackcorm

Do Donegal CoCo do anything in regards to affordable housing?

muffler

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Do Donegal CoCo do anything in regards to affordable housing?

They advertised a batch of them for sale in Donegal Town in the local papers this week.

There was also some of them sold in Ballybofey about a year ago