Hunting Cammo (Split from Type of Shooting Thread)

Dvs

Vegeta wrote:

Again Ireland had a bigger population 160 years ago according to the census of 1841 and was probably even a more rural country back then.

If anything i'd say there are less people living in the countryside in modern Ireland as there is a general trend for families to move to towns because of schools and work. That is not to say houses are not being built in the country.

I ask you how often do deer/fox/duck/geese/snipe/grouse stop to take a look at you when hunting. It hasn't happened to me once in a decade of shooting.

I don't know why,
but i'm going to attempt to say this once more,
and after that it's up to you.

I am not talking about population in Ireland of the 1800s,
or the fact that the population of Ireland is approaching 5 million.

My point is a deer or fox in Ireland today, will see human activity directly or indirectly all the time.

A deer or fox living in the wilds of Alaska or Northern Canada will not!

I find it hard to believe that you have not experienced, a fox or deer making a short bolt and then stopping to have a look !

I have not seen Ducks,Geese,Snipe or Grouse do it.
if they tried they would fly in circles.:D

But I have seen a lot of them making short flights because they are used to disturbance and setting down to give you another chance to rise them.

Dvs.

Keelan

Deer, ect act in exactly the same way in alaska, Affrica, Canada, UK, Scotland, timbuck 2, ect ect.:rolleyes:
Ive hunted in most.;)
Nuff said.
Keelan.

Dvs

Keelan wrote:

Deer, ect act in exactly the same way in alaska, Affrica, Canada, UK, Scotland, timbuck 2, ect ect.:rolleyes:
Ive hunted in most.;)
Nuff said.
Keelan.

Well there you have it,
the Expert speaks................:rolleyes:



Dvs.

Vegeta

Dvs wrote:

Well there you have it,
the Expert speaks................:rolleyes:



Dvs.

well he sounds like he has more experience than you and thats enough for me.

And I will say it again, i don't know where you hunt but where i hunt neither foxes or deer would have contact with human life "all the time" They may see a farmers house 2 or 3 miles away but thats it, whichare all dotted along the road side. They are not the most social animals with the hours they keep. They may hear a tractor every now and then and the odd car, but they cannot identify humans on sight. They definitely see me as a threat anyway otherwise i might have shot way more deer and foxes.

Oh deer have stopped to look back when i have made a sh1te effort at stalking them, they spot me at about 600 yards look at me for about 10 secs and then they are gone. Real friendly whores they are. Sher they know me by name at this stage

If camo doesn't work why do Militaries develop things like MARPAT and CADPAT.

EDIT: The reason I mention population Dvs is that Ireland was a more populated country years ago, and a more rural one. So by your logic animals in the 1820-60 would have been even more aware of humans as there were more people in the country side. Which would give us even more of a reason to wear camo incase animals in the wild (who have relatively short life spans anyway) gave human spotting lessons which last to current generation.

coyote6

Speaking of MARPAT etc. Check out the U.S. Army's new ACU. It's designed as an all terrain camo. I've seen it close up and it works well.

Dvs

Vegeta wrote:

well he sounds like he has more experience than you and thats enough for me.

So if he said he was Pamela Anderson,
You would value his opinions on breast enhancement:rolleyes:

Vegeta wrote:

If camo doesn't work why do Militaries develop things like MARPAT and CADPAT.

EDIT: The reason I mention population Dvs is that Ireland was a more populated country years ago, and a more rural one. So by your logic animals in the 1820-60 would have been even more aware of humans as there were more people in the country side. Which would give us even more of a reason to wear camo incase animals in the wild (who have relatively short life spans anyway) gave human spotting lessons which last to current generation.

Re read my posts!
I never said camo did not work!
I asked the OP if he had a photo of himself,
dressed in the realtree camo he posted photos of.

I said, it was more appropriate to wear camo that blends with your terrain than to wear a pattern that does not and makes you visible to busy bodys.

I mentioned also the issue of modern washing powders making camo glow
from the point of view of animals vision and that the makers of camo and the military had invested a great deal of money in that research,
whether its an issue to you in your hunting or not,
does not discount that.

Because it is a proven fact that the camo makers and military have worked on,
Why ?
because personnel that are more visible on imaging devices,
are easier to kill.



All my years, working with the Delta and Seal teams gives me the authority to speak on these issues......
Nuff said;)









The last bit is total S***e,
but some people believe anything that you post on the internet.......
Nuff said;)

Dvs.

Vegeta

Dvs wrote:

So if he said he was Pamela Anderson,
You would value his opinions on breast enhancement:rolleyes:





Re read my posts!
I never said camo did not work!
I asked the OP if he had a photo of himself,
dressed in the realtree camo he posted photos of.

I said, it was more appropriate to wear camo that blends with your terrain than to wear a pattern that does not and makes you visible to busy bodys.

I mentioned also the issue of modern washing powders making camo glow
from the point of view of animals vision and that the makers of camo and the military had invested a great deal of money in that research,
whether its an issue to you in your hunting or not,
does not discount that.

Because it is a proven fact that the camo makers and military have worked on,
Why ?
because personnel that are more visible on imaging devices,
are easier to kill.



All my years, working with the Delta and Seal teams gives me the authority to speak on these issues......
Nuff said;)









The last bit is total S***e,
but some people believe anything that you post on the internet.......
Nuff said;)

Dvs.

read my post from above, the colour/blending is not essential. The type of camo most commonly used in hunting is disruptive, cover the parts of the body that would stick out to a wild animal, like a face or hands.

Disruptive camouflage produces its effect by breaking up and thereby concealing the structural lines of the object which it hides. An exact match with the environment's colors is much less important than the patterning of the regions of color themselves. Disruptive patterns are designed to counter in-built perceptual models

The extreme use of camo is blending camo.

Blending camouflage is a more obvious approach. The camouflaged object is shielded by matching one or more of the following - the color, texture, shape, or pattern of other objects in the environment Ghille suits are a perfect example, no one wearing one has a human outline and is made up of surrounding shrub and fauna.

To be honest you haven't really argued your case with any concrete points. Dvs you have something against camo or seem to think the average Joe Soap will see a guy wearing camo and this brings a negative image to hunting.

Would you like to explain how wearing camo can hurt the sport? I don't want a "its not effective anyway" answer because at your own admission camo does work. I have stated on more than one occasion that it doesn't matter what colour the camoflage is, so again i ask you the question

Would you like to explain how wearing camo can hurt the sport or creative a negative image about hunting?

EDIT: I never said a thing about washing powder and camo, I declined to comment on it, see post number 29

mcguiver

Whatever works for ya!!!

Personally I was taught to stalk wearing regular clothes, (and initially without carrying a gun) it's a skill that you learn with practice and a little help from our elders. I know a guy who can get animals to walk right over to him.

Remember there are no straight lines in nature, so shape, sound, movement and scent are whats important to animals.

I can speak highy of the realtree camo, I was on a course years ago when a shooting writer arrived with a sample set for testing and the pattern blends in well in Ireland/UK.

also REMEMBER SAFETY !!!!! be aware of other shooters, don't be too well hidden!!

Dvs

Vegeta wrote:

To be honest you haven't really argued your case with any concrete points. Dvs you have something against camo or seem to think the average Joe Soap will see a guy wearing camo and this brings a negative image to hunting.

Would you like to explain how wearing camo can hurt the sport? I don't want a "its not effective anyway" answer because at your own admission camo does work. I have stated on more than one occasion that it doesn't matter what colour the camoflage is, so again i ask you the question

Would you like to explain how wearing camo can hurt the sport or creative a negative image about hunting?

I will make the same points that I did in previous posts,
but I would ask you to read what I am writing,
and not argue points of your own making.

The colour of camo does not matter to animals,
as they see differently to us and so the colour is not an issue.

If the colour and pattern blends in with the local terrain,
then you will not draw unwanted attention to yourself or your shooting activities.

wearing camo of itself, will not hurt the sport or
creative a negative image about hunting.

However, wearing a camo pattern and colour,
Blaze orange advantage realtree,
urban camo or desert storm BDUs,
these are extreme examples,
but even less extreme, inappropriate colours,
will make you stand out like a sore thumb.

The acid test is,
if somebody can look into a field inadvertently,
while you are standing still, and think,
there is a person in camoflage clothing!

If your choice of camoflage clothing makes you stand out,

To people !
whom have no interest in hunting,
or worse still have very strong negative views on hunting.


So these same people can, look into a field while driving along,
or while standing in their back garden,
looking into the valley behind their half acre site,
and say look there is a man or men in camoflage clothing,
and my god they have guns!!!
we might all be killed if they shoot those dangerous guns!

so they think,
maybe we should call the Garda, because we could be in danger!

No, lets call the farmer that we bought the site from.....


short time later the secretary of the local gun club,
that have shot over the land for years, gets a call from the farmer.

Listen, were some of your lads out shooting today,
on my land over the valley,
you know, where I sold the sites along the road?

Yes, I was out myself, we got a couple of foxes and shot six mags and two greys........

Right, well i'm sorry and all,

but, I'm hoping to sell a few more sites along the road,
and these newcomers are a funny lot,
they don't hold with shooting and the like,
so i'm going to have to take the land out of the gun club,
and put up no shooting signs.

You'll let the rest of the lads know.

Like I said, I'm sorry but i'd be a lifetime farming it,
and still not make the money I can get for the sites...............

Vegeta wrote:

EDIT: I never said a thing about washing powder and camo, I declined to comment on it, see post number 29

I never said you did.
I was attempting to clarify exactly what I said,
not what other people posting in this thread concluded.
And said was Crap.


Dvs.

Vegeta

So your main arguement is that if a person looks into a field and sees someone in ill-suited camo carrying a rifle or shotgun that they may get spooked.

So why does it have to be bad camo that will spook the on-lookers, they'd be way easier to pick out if they wore a t-shirt and a pair of jeans. I'm sure a jacket of all brown or all green would help you blend better to the human eye and therefore avoid the attention of the busy bodies. If people are anti-hunting i really don't think it matters what clothing you wear.

People will spot you in fields if you wear anything but very very good camo. You seem to have no problem with wearing traditional style clothing, i.e a shooting vest etc.

So i have to ask why do you differentiate between normal clothing while shooting and a bad camo pattern?

Clare gunner

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People will spot you in fields if you wear anything but very very good camo. You seem to have no problem with wearing traditional style clothing, i.e a shooting vest etc.

Err not strictly true either.People LOOK these days they rarely SEE.This applies to both town and country types.I have been personally able to walk up and evade country people in the course of my work wearing nothing more elaborate than green cargo pants and an old US woodland cammo parka.
And townies who move to the country are such easy prey:D
What attracts humans to spotting you is movement and an extreme odd color in their country enviroment.Put it like this,you would stand out wearing a ghillie suit in an urban enviroment,as much as you would wearing day glo orange in the middle of a cow pasture.Unless of course you cammoed your ghillie suit to look like a heap of urban street rubbish[been done in Chechyna and Bosnia by urban snipers] Or added a gun to your day glow orange vest and became a hunter,power linseman,etc etc.
Cammo is about perception as to what your quarry sees you as.EG if I had to stalk somone in a rural scene,I would try to dress as somthing that fits into a rural area,boiler suit day glo vest,hard hat.All very grubby,people think in a rural sitution you are somthing employed outside.However try that garb wood piegon shooting and a very quiet day will ensue.Wood piegons have incredible eyesight and will spot a white face or hand at 300 meters easily.Hence a ghillie suit is required.
My take on it is this; humans unless you are going up against a pro,somthing that blends into their enviroment,and slow movement using the terrain doesnt alarm them.
Animals ; shine,sound,and smell will give you away alot quicker thyan shape

coyote6

Claregunner is right on. When I was trained in fieldcraft they said the reason you aren't seen if you move slow enough is that the human eye won't pick up movement under 60 frames per second. One of my urban hide camoflage items is a square cardboard box painted silver that can be placed on a roof top etc. to appear like an a/c or whatever. I am intrigued by the new US ACU's due to their chameleon like qualities. I'm trying to lobby my team to switch. We now wear straight olive drab bdu's which are o.k. but not as applicable to urban terrain. Mainly they're just cheap bastards who don't want to take away from their beer money!

Vegeta

lads i agree with what you are saying, my dispute is with Dvs.

if i wear a tshirt and cargo pants and walk through a field at a decent pace and I wear an ill-suited camo pattern (mossy oak on the shore for example) and walk through the same field at a decent pace. What's the difference?

Why should a busy body take offence to one outfit and not the other.

Dvs is right in saying bad camo will make you stand out to humans but so will bad clothin in general, such as a bright t-shirt and tracksuit pants. So I am asking why pick on camo???

Dvs

Vegeta wrote:

lads i agree with what you are saying, my dispute is with Dvs.

if i wear a tshirt and cargo pants and walk through a field at a decent pace and I wear an ill-suited camo pattern (mossy oak on the shore for example) and walk through the same field at a decent pace. What's the difference?

Why should a busy body take offence to one outfit and not the other.

If you wear a tshirt and cargo pants,
you look like someone walking through the field,
if you have a dog you look like farmer,
walking across the fiels carrying a stick
or other man walking his dog,
also carrying a stick enjoying the countryside.

If you wear ill-suited camo that makes you visible to busy bodys,
you look like, a media hyped Rambo wannabe with an assault rifle,
or a bambie killing bastard, carrying a big gun.
depending on their pet hates.

I would go as far as to say even if you were carrying a stick,
they would still think gun.

Vegeta wrote:

Dvs is right in saying bad camo will make you stand out to humans but so will bad clothin in general, such as a bright t-shirt and tracksuit pants.

yes, but they will think tasteless prat or Skanger,
and take no real notice.

I bet Claregunner can vouch for this in his line of work,
the best camo for fooling people is a hi-vis jacket,
most people assume, you must conceal yourself not to be noticed,
this is far from the truth.

In plain sight dressed in clothing appropriate to the location,
is the best camo for fooling people.

if you look like you belong,
people are more than happy to assume you do.

Vegeta wrote:

Dvs is right in saying bad camo will make you stand out to humans but so will bad clothin in general, such as a bright t-shirt and tracksuit pants. So I am asking why pick on camo???

Vegeta you seem to understand my point,
but continue to argue that I am picking on camo as a point of contention regardless of my stating otherwise.

I use camo when and where appropriate,
I try to use what will blend in and not make me stand out to animals or people.

For example, if I were using a full camo suit, a face mask and gloves,
I would not put on the face mask and gloves until I had left the area immediately visible from the road.

I make sure the interior light in my car is turned off,
so if I have been shooting up until dark,
when I get to the car and open the door,
I am not iluminated for all road users to see,
they see a car, they might see me,
but the don't get to see me,
dressed in camo carrying a gun easily.

why bother you might ask your not breaking any laws?

My business is just that,


My business


Dvs.

Vegeta

Dvs wrote:

If you wear a tshirt and cargo pants,
you look like someone walking through the field,

A person with a gun walking through the field

If you wear ill-suited camo that makes you visible to busy bodys,
you look like, a media hyped Rambo wannabe with an assault rifle,
or a bambie killing bastard, carrying a big gun.
depending on their pet hates.

This is exactly what annoys me, a plain clothed person in a field with a gun is a man walking his dog or a hill walker and a guy in camo with a gun is Rambo.

I think the public are more intelligent than that and the average person would make the logical progression that hunters wear camoflage. If someone is anti-shooting/hunting it doen't matter what gear you wear, they will always be against you.

Trying to hide your camo use only reinforces the already negative stigma that some people in this country has associated with with it. Thank you IRA and media. So i for one think the more open i am with it and the more the public see responsible hunters wearing it the better.

I also don't think people should stop wearing camo to save the feelings of a few busy bodies, you do. If they ring the gardai you're not breaking any law and chances are you know the farmer better than they do, after all he gave you permission to shoot there in the first place. If the farmer kicks you off his land for wearing camo he isn't the nicest guy anyway

I use camo when and where appropriate,
I try to use what will blend in and not make me stand out to animals or people.

My problem here is you singled out another member of this forum and said his camo would be ineffective to animals. Yes maybe if he washed it in modern washing powder but it is used as disruptive camo anyway, which is effective against animals regardless of colour. hence why orange day glo realtree works for hunting deer in certain states where they have to stand out for other shooters/trekkers/hill walkers.

coyote6

Sometimes the best camo is a jumpsuit, hardhat and a clip-board. If you act like you know what yere doin' no one pays attention to 'ya.

Dvs

Vegeta wrote:

My problem here is you singled out another member of this forum and said his camo would be ineffective to animals. Yes maybe if he washed it in modern washing powder but it is used as disruptive camo anyway, which is effective against animals regardless of colour. hence why orange day glo realtree works for hunting deer in certain states where they have to stand out for other shooters/trekkers/hill walkers.

No,
This is exactly what i said:

Dvs wrote:

Hello Johngalway,
I would be interested to see a photo of you dressed in that advantage timber camo with your gun sock.

Because I am curious as to how much it camoflages you,
as its not very Irish countryside looking....

Dvs.

You drew your own meaning, and continue to argue
over something I never said.

Vegeta wrote:

This is exactly what annoys me, a plain clothed person in a field with a gun is a man walking his dog or a hill walker and a guy in camo with a gun is Rambo.

I think the public are more intelligent than that and the average person would make the logical progression that hunters wear camoflage. If someone is anti-shooting/hunting it doen't matter what gear you wear, they will always be against you.

I think you give people, to much credit for intelligence,
If people don't have a direct interest in a subject and have given it thought, then by and large, their position on it is, what they have heard,
good bad or indifferent.

And most people get their opinions from the media,
if the person on the telly says it and a few more people that watched the programe say it to others, before long you will have an uphill struggle to change public perceptions even with concrete evidence,
showing what they have been led to believe is completely wrong!

Vegeta wrote:

I also don't think people should stop wearing camo to save the feelings of a few busy bodies, you do.

Once again you are drawing your own conclusions,
on what you assume I mean,
not what i said!

The feelings of busy bodys,
or anti blood sports people,
do not interest me in the slightest.

Not wanting to advertise my hunting activities,
is in my own interest not theirs!

Vegeta wrote:

chances are you know the farmer better than they do, after all he gave you permission to shoot there in the first place. If the farmer kicks you off his land for wearing camo he isn't the nicest guy anyway

I never said a farmer would kick you off his land for wearing camo,
But to protect his chances,
to sell more roadside sites which could make him millions.

when his other option is,
to continue to have you shoot his land,
and get exactly Sweet F**k All.

I personally never require a farmer to be a nice guy!
I fact some of the farmers whos land I have permission to shoot over,
are downright ignorant!

But fair play to them,
they do give me permission,
and for that I am grateful.

If you wish to dispute something that I have actually said,
then fair enough,
If not, then there's not much more I can say on the matter.

Dvs.

Vegeta

Dvs wrote:

My reason for asking is that, by not blending in and sticking out like a sore thumb in realtree camo as an alternative to plain greens and browns, it may draw unwanted and unnecessary attention on you and your hunting activities.

YMMV.

Dvs.

well you refer to busy bodies quite a bit so I was wondering if you suddenly don't care about them then why did you bring it up?

Who exactly will the unwanted and unnecessary attention come from.

Do i have to go through the 3 pages and post every quote where you say that people will look into a field see you hunting in bad camo and ring the farmer yada yada yada

Your arguement is so rediculous its not even fuuny, I think most people who see hunters in a field would ring the person who sold them the site because of the presence of guns and the discharging of guns near their new homes. Not because of what they're wearing. Would they send out the fashion police

You can esily turn around and say but i never said that, not in exact words no, but you have been implying it for 3 pages. Just like in the post quoted above. The OP showed camo and you said this camo would bring unwanted and necessary attention.

Vegeta

Dvs wrote:

No,
This is exactly what i said:

You drew your own meaning, and continue to argue
over something I never said.

Well in your post you said the OP would stand out like a sore thumb which implies you believe the camo to be ineffective. I have pointed out several times that it doesn't matter what colour it is. His camo would be effective. You made such a sweeping generalisation anyway by saying it doesn't look like the Irish countryside. The Irish countryside is such a changing landscape, you just jumped on in there with the camo criticism. Are you now changing your mind and saying his camo would be effective?

Once again you are drawing your own conclusions,
on what you assume I mean,
not what i said!

The feelings of busy bodys,
or anti blood sports people,
do not interest me in the slightest.

Again if the busy bodies don't interest you why did you bring it up. You're the one saying people who see hunters in a field wearing camo will ring the farmer. Of course you have no problem if a character looking like a 'Skanger" (your words) carrying a gun walking through the fields. Come off it will you. "Skangers", "Chavs" etc have the worst public image in the country for violence and gangland behaviour.

I never said a farmer would kick you off his land for wearing camo,
But to protect his chances,
to sell more roadside sites which could make him millions.

No but you said the natives will ring the farmer if they spot someone wearing camo near their site, and then he'll kick you off the land.

If you wish to dispute something that I have actually said,
then fair enough,
If not, then there's not much more I can say on the matter.

Dvs I have quoted you in nearly every post you have made, if this isn't talking about something you said i don't know what is. See above

Dvs

Vegeta,
I will leave it up to anyone else reading this thread,
to make up their own minds on what I have or have not said.

If you are happy to wear what ever camoflage you do,
Good for you that is your choice to make.


You either cannot, or do not, wish to grasp the point,
that if your choice of camoflage draws unwanted attention,
to your hunting activities from,
people
then it is not as effective as it could and in my opinion should be.

I have no interest in continuing this thread on the matter,
we shall just have to agree to differ.

Dvs.

Vegeta

Dvs wrote:

Vegeta,
I will leave it up to anyone else reading this thread,
to make up their own minds on what I have or have not said.

If you are happy to wear what ever camoflage you do,
Good for you that is your choice to make.


You either cannot, or do not, wish to grasp the point,
that if your choice of camoflage draws unwanted attention,
to your hunting activities from,
people
then it is not as effective as it could and in my opinion should be.

I have no interest in continuing this thread on the matter,
we shall just have to agree to differ.

Dvs.

I grasped your point form the ouset and I am asking you why are you not complaining about people who go out shooting in bright t-shirts or other ill-suited clothing.

If you say people should not be wearing any ill-suited clothing (sh1te camo, bright t-shirts or jumpers or pink wellies) while hunting as it leads to bad press I would respect your arguement a hell of a lot more.

From reading your posts it comes across that you are more concerned about people with crap camo than crap clothing in general. For example you say above

that if your choice of camoflage draws unwanted attention,
to your hunting activities from,
people
then it is not as effective as it could and in my opinion should be.

why do you single out camo and not bad hunting clothing in general?

I don't think that's an unreasonable question, nor would anyone else

Dvs

Ordinary casual clothing identifies you as an ordinary person.
and you don't register with most people.

Ordinary casual clothing in bright colours,
Orange, lime, pink, identifies you as an ordinary person with taste issues.

you may register with people but they will most likely think prat, not hunter.

Even if you were hunting dressed like this, from a distance people would not associate your clothing with hunting.
they might wonder why you are walking across the fields,
but really are not going to put any effort into finding out,
unless you fire a shot they are not going to think you are hunting.

Effective camo clothing that blends with the local terrain,
does not identify you because you are concealed.
even if you fire a shot,
people are not going to be able to pinpoint you,
unless you make you presense known.

Ineffective camo identifys you as a hunter,
this is the first thought to cross the minds of,
everyone who can see you,
regardless of the distance,
regardless of the fact, if they see you holding a gun or not,
regardless of the fact that they have not heard any shots.


Even if you were not hunting at the time,
people in general associate camoflage clothing with hunting or the military.

The irish militarys standard issue camo is known to most of the public.

so they are not going to confuse it with realtree advantage,
desert storm or urban camo BDU's.

Now this really is my final comment on it.

Dvs.

Hezz700

"effective camo clothing that blends with the local terrain,
does not identify you because you are concealed.
even if you fire a shot,
people are not going to be able to pinpoint you,
unless you make you presense known.

Ineffective camo identifys you as a hunter,
this is the first thought to cross the minds of,
everyone who can see you,
regardless of the distance,
regardless of the fact, if they see you holding a gun or not,
regardless of the fact that they have not heard any shot"

Dvs,

I have to dissagree with you on the above. If you have the worlds most advanced camo, say a ghillie suit identical to a small bush while you remain motionless, thats great. but Joe Public is gonna take notice if he sees a hawthorn bush going for a stroll.

Hezz:D

Vegeta

Hezz700 wrote:

I have to dissagree with you on the above. If you have the worlds most advanced camo, say a ghillie suit identical to a small bush while you remain motionless, thats great. but Joe Public is gonna take notice if he sees a hawthorn bush going for a stroll.

Hezz:D

Yeah i agree you'd actually have to be wearing some form of active camo that changes colour and texture as you walk in open grass, against the tree line or on the shore to stay fully hidden from human eyes.

coyote6

Anyone seen or heard of the new camo being developed for big things like tanks? It uses some sort of reflectivity which gives it chameleon-like qualities.

I realize this isn't part of the current argument but... what the heck!

Vegeta

coyote6 wrote:

Anyone seen or heard of the new camo being developed for big things like tanks? It uses some sort of reflectivity which gives it chameleon-like qualities.

I realize this isn't part of the current argument but... what the heck!

yeah i have heard of it, does it take a picture of whats on one side and using some sort of lighting match the image on the other side.

I mean if a tank is parked in front of a tree it will take a pic of the tree and display it on the visible side so people might still see the tree(no that is a very simplistic example and I don't think its that advanced)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Camoflage

Optical camo apparently

maglite

ya brigth camo for huntin whos with me



they wont know what were up to out with greenpeople might see us

Keelan

maglite wrote:

ya brigth camo for huntin whos with me



they wont know what were up to out with greenpeople might see us

Keelan

Go out and get some foxes lads. Lifes too short to be bickering over clothes ect. The women do enough of that for us, well mine does anyway.
This is still a free country ( i hope) so go and enjoy.;)
Keelan.

Hezz700

Amen to that, brother Keelan:D