Boards Hip-Hop WC 2006

spacecoyote

Since World Cup Fever Has hit, how about running our own version of it on this Forum?

Leave it open for a week for people to nominate rappers who they think should be in. Once theres 32 rappers nominated to choose from, I'll set up 8 groups, from those listed, and people can vote each day for who should win each match-up etc... and on through to knock-outs and the rest.

Think it should be limited to a max of 3-4 MCs per person, just to get a broader variety of people into it.

People up for it???

I'll put forward Pharoahe Monche, KRS-One & the GZA to get things started

me and the biz

Kool G Rap, Common, Aesop Rock, Styles P

Beefeater

Wordsworth, Immortal Technique, Saul Williams, Lif

Sajan

Doom, Chali 2Na, Guru, Black Thought

Ay Cee

Vinny Paz, Apathy, Redman, Rakim

Orizio

Ras Kass,Nas,One Be Lo and J-Live.

Nice idea btw.

Makaveli

CL Smooth, Masta Ace, Ghostface Killah, Biggie

Sm0ke

jay Z, busta rhymes, 50 cent (wanna see him beat and abused ), eminem

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Right had 31, so i've added Mos Def to the list to complete the line up.

Groups are as follows:
Group A
Pharoahe Monch
Immortal Technique
Apathy
Masta Ace

Group B
KRS-One
Saul Williams
Redman
Ghostface

Group C
GZA
Mr Lif
Rakim
Notorious BIG

Group D
Kool G Rap
MF Doom
Ras Kass
Jay Z

Group E
Common
Chali 2na
Nas
Busta Rhymes

Group F
Aesop Rock
Guru
One Be Lo
50 Cent

Group G
Styles P
Black Thought
J-Live
Eminem

Group H
Wordsworth
Vinny Paz
CL Smooth
Mos Def

Right Thats the groups listed. If anyone is wondering how i did it, i just wrote down the list of artists and wrote a-h beside each name in a row till i got to the end (just so theres no accusations about group set ups).

First Fixtures to follow, one vote per person per match-up and matches are open for voting for 24 hours.

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Might as well keep it in line with the WC so for the first day theres 2 fixtures, then 3 a day for rest of group stage. So today its:

Pharoahe Monch vs Immortal Technique

Apathy vs Masta Ace

Let the Voting Begin

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Gonna vote for Pharoahe my self in the 1st one (orkanised Konfusion were excellent and Internal Affairs is a monster solo effort).

And Masta Ace in the 2nd. Apathy is pretty impressive and i like what i've heard of the demigodz but masta ace is a legend, great flow and delivery and some killer lines. Disposable arts is a classic.

(No need for explanations in general people, if you just wanna list your winners thats fine)

Orizio

Monch purely for his insane brilliance with the painfully overlooked Organised Konfusion.

Masta Ace is one of the easiest MC's to listen to,great beat selection and could lyrical concepts.

Beefeater

Has to Technique in the first. After his next 2 albums i say will be looked upon as a legend.
Masta Ace in the second.Outside bet to go far. Sure hes always played the underdog.

Beefeater

oh yeah, can there be draws???

spacecoyote

Beefeater wrote:

oh yeah, can there be draws???

Well each person has to pick a winner only in each match. if an equal number of votes are cast then the match is a draw yeah

spacecoyote

Pharoah Monche 2-1 Immortal Technique

Apathy 0-3 Masta Ace

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KRS-One vs Saul Williams

Redman vs Ghostface Killah

Gza vs Mr Lif

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I'll go with KRS in the 1st one here, consistently influential for 20 years.

Ghostface in the 2nd, Ironman is a classic, and part of one of the greatest hip-hop dynasties

and again GZA in the 3rd, Lif is class, its actually a nightmare group this one, all four MCs are very strong in it. But Liquid Swords is definitely in my top albums ever list.

Beefeater

Saul in the 1st. maybe hes a poet rightly but f*ckit hes amazing.
Redman in the second. His first 2/3 albums are classic.
3rd is ver tough. Group of death along with H. I'll go with GZA, just about.

me and the biz

KRS-One vs Saul Williams

Redman vs Ghostface Killah

Gza vs Mr Lif

Krs easily

Ghostface.... this one was a tough one but my vote goes to ghostface. Single-handedly keeping the wu name alive whereas Reggie has been MIA for a while. my favourite redman lp vs fav ghostface, ghostface wins

Gza vs Lif

vote goes to Lif, because I love his style, and the production on all his releases. GZA has liquid swords, but thats 11 years ago now, hasnt even come close since.

David19

KRS, Ghostface and GZA for me. They're just better rappers and have all released at least one real classic album.

Makaveli

KRS in the first. Saul Williams really doesn't come close to the BDP era KRS-One.

Ghostface in the second. Ironman is a classic, and Supreme Clientele is one of the most underrated albums ever. Redman is good but not as good.

GZA - Mr Lif is tough one. GZA has Liquid Swords and it's a classic (also Enter the Wu-Tang), but Beneath the Surface and Legend of the Liquid Swords aren't that great. Mr Lif has just consistently released quality albums and his Perceptionists work is great too. Mr Lif it is in the third.

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KRS-1 4-1 Saul Williams

Redman 1-4 Ghostface Killah

GZA 3-2 Mr Lif

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Some more toughies today

Rakim vs Notorius BIG

Kool G Rap vs MF Doom

Ras Kass vs Jay Z

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These matches are all really close calls to me.

I think Rakim just edges it, by a hair in the first. Ready to die is a classic and biggie was amazing on the mic, but rakim has multiple classic albums and has had a much greater influence on Hip Hop imo.

going to go with Doom in the second. I think Hip-hop needs people like him putting out some amazing alternative stuff. Again Kool is excellent but Doom just edges it.

In the final round I'm going to go with Ras Kass, aside from reasonable doubt i'm not really a big fan of Jay Z's stuff and he has released some real clangers. Ras Kass is one of the top lyricists round at the moment and possible ever.

Beefeater

Rakim in the 1st. His influence is almost unparalleled.
Doom in the 2nd. hes very important for hip hop at the moment.
this is tough as ive not actually heard any kass albums but he is a good emcee. Reasonable doubt is the only time jigga touched magnificence. Goes to Kass

me and the biz

Rakim in the first, very few would even come close to his influence.

g Rap in the second, he's a legend, influenced so many as well. Doom though... he's so original and has crazy concepts. Nah vote = Kool G Rap

Jay-Z in the third. "CEO of Hip Hop" in that hewlett Packard ad says it all

Makaveli

Rakim. Legend enough said.
MF Doom. Second to none at the moment imo.
Jay-Z. Reasonable Doubt is a really good album. Ras Kass may be a better lyricist (well he is) but I prefer Jay-Z (choosing to ignore his crap).

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Rakim 4-0 Notorius BIG

Kool G Rap 1-3 MF Doom

Ras Kass 2-2 Jay Z

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Common vs Chali 2na

Nas vs Busta Rhymes

Aesop Rock vs Guru

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I won't be logged on most likely at the weekend so here are the saturday & sunday matches

Day 5

One Be Lo vs 50 Cent

Styles P vs Black Thought

J-Live vs Eminem

Day 6

Wordsworth vs Vinny Paz

CL Smooth vs Mos Def

Pharoah Monche vs Apathy

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My Votes

Day 4:
Common wins, numerous great solo efforts, i like Chali but he's better as a featuring artist or part of a group
Nas takes Busta, but not by a mile. Busta was great in his early days with leaders of new school, etc. Guess same could be said of Nas but he's a better MC at the end of the day
Guru in the third. Massively influential. Has a really distinctive style and one of the best partnerships ever alongside Primo

Day 5:
One Be Lo in the first. Doesn't even merit explanation
Black Thought in the second. Love the roots and his delivery is fantastic. theres a lot of energy and emotion in his rhymes.
J-Live in the third. Eminem is just a gimmick(?), whereas J-Live is a quality MC.

Day 6:
Wordsworth in the first. Saw him live with Punchline and they were quality. Really like his style and very smart lyrically.
Mos Def in the 2nd. Black on Both Sides is a classic and he proved his class by making an alternative album which still sounds good.
Pharoahe Monch in the 3rd. He really is on another planet to most MCs lyrically. Needs to put more work out though

Beefeater

common in the first. consistently great albums.
nas in the second. busta sold out, so did nas somewhat, still better emcee.
guru in the third cause of his influence.aesop is still class

hha, One be lo of course.
black thought in 2nd. Brilliant emcee.
J-Live in the 3rd. Em had his day but is now sh*te, j-live is pure quality.

Words in the 1st. saw him at the sugar club too. Mirror Music is unreal, complexity of his lyrics, everything.
mos def in the 2nd, smooths still good though,
monch in the 3rd. Great

Peyton Manning

Wat the f*ck, no Big L or 2pac? Yall crazy.....

Makaveli

Why didn't you nominate them when you had the chance so?

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Day 4
Common 2-0 Chali 2na
Nas 2-0 Busta Rymes
Aesop Rock 0-2 Guru

Day 5
One Be Lo 2-0 50 Cent
Styles P 0-2 Black Thought
J-Live 2-0 Eminem

Day 6
Wordsworth 2-0 Vinny Paz
CL Smooth 0-2 Mos Def
Pharoah Monche 2-0 Apathy

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Immortal Technique vs Masta Ace

KRS-One vs Redman

Saul Williams vs Ghostface Killah

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I'm going with Masta Ace in the first. At the top of the game for a long time. IT will be a major force in time i reckon

KRS in the 2nd, i can only really listen to Redman in small doses.

Ghostface in the third, like what i've heard from Saul williams (albeit not that much), but both of ghostface first two albums were class and he always sonds good on collaborations too

me and the biz

Ace in the first

second goes to KRS ONE

Third goes to Ghostface

Beefeater

just can we get somethin sorted...is this a battle of emcee skills or career?

Ace i suppose in the first
KRS in the 2nd
Saul W in the 3rd, c'mon people u gotta realise how SUPERB he actually is

spacecoyote

The way i've been djudging is a combo of reasons really. Just trying to take each MC on their merits, trying to look at skills, longevity, influence, etc...and whoever fits the overall bill i'm voting for. If people want to limit it to purely skills from this point on, i've no qualms about it?

Alan Smith

Group E is the grup of Death Id fancy Nas and Common to go through

Makaveli

me and the biz wrote:

Ace in the first

second goes to KRS ONE

Third goes to Ghostface

^

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Immortal Technique 0-4 Masta Ace

KRS-One 4-0 Redman

Saul Williams 1-3 Ghostface Killah

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GZA vs Rakim

Mr Lif vs Notorius BIG

Kool G Rap vs Ras Kass

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Are people interested in me finishing this or am i just wasting my energy???

Anyway i'll leave this one open since there are no votes as yet.

As for mine, these matches are all really tough to call but i'll go with:

Rakim in the first.

Lif in the 2nd.

Ras Kass in the 3rd.

I hate having to use my brain!

spacecoyote

Gonna put up these too, and close 8 & 9 tomorrow

matches are:

MF Doom vs Jay Z

Common vs Nas

Chali 2na vs Busta Rhymes

spacecoyote

Going with Doom in the 1st
Common in the 2nd
Busta in the 3rd

I'm heading off on holiday for a week on friday. if one of the lads thats been voting regularly wouldn't mind taking this over for a week to keep it going could they PM me their email address, as i have a spreadsheet set up for it and i can mail it to them to keep a record, etc...

If not, it can just stop for a week and then i'll start it back up once i'm back.

me and the biz

Doom in the first
Nas in the second
Busta in the third

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GZA 0-1 Rakim
Mr Lif 1-0 Notorius BIG
Kool G Rap 0-1 Ras Kass

MF Doom 2-0 Jay Z
Common 1-1 Nas
Chali 2na 0-2 Busta Rhymes

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I'm headin away tomorrow so here are today & tomorrows matches. No sign of anyone to take over so this will be on hold for a week then i'll get back to finishing it off:

Day 10
Aesop Rock vs One Be Lo

Guru vs 50 Cent

Styles P vs J-Live

Day 11
Black Thought vs Eminem

Wordsworth vs CL Smooth

Vinny Paz vs Mos Def