US: 2X20 - "Two For The Road" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "TWO FOR THE ROAD" -

Episode Title: "Two For The Road"
Airdate: May 3rd 2006

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

After finding an exhausted Michael in the forest Jack and Kate bring him back to the main camp. When finally waking up, Michael has some new details about "The Others." Also, a lovestruck Hurley plans a date for Libby. Lastly, Ana-Lucia tries to break Henry more into confessing in all what he knows about "The Others" and the island.

Next New Episode: 2X21 - "?" - May 10th 2006

Basq

4

Three weeks of solid new episodes ending with a 2 hour season finale! :eek:

Chong

9

Cant wait for this. Am btw basquille sorry about the thread duplication lol.

I posted the same time as you.

I have marked it for deletion. Again my apologies my good man.

Basq

4

Heh.. no problem!

You sure it's 2X21? Checked TV.com and EpGuides.com and both reckon it's 2X20... and haven't credited any recap show.

Chong

9

I thought the recap was credited as 2X20.

Its all good anyways, these next eps of Lost will appease the heart break of study.

danbhala

8

i think the clip shows dont get credited like the episodes... so far this season there has been three like, "Destination Lost", "Lost: Revelation" and "Lost: Reckoning".

check it a wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodes_of_Lost_%28season_2%29

it has to be true hehe

Duffman

9

OMG this definitely makes up for the weeks of slow episodes. One of the best so far - 10/10.

***WARNING: Do not read these spoilers if you haven't seen it yet.










Michael

shooting AL and then Libby was a shock ending.

The Others are clearly

using him to lead the group into a trap. My immediate thoughts were "poor Hurley!"

.


Henry's comments about

how Locke was a good person and how AL needed to be "saved" are another development in the light/dark theme

and about

"him" being a "great man" - Hanso perhaps?

.




Oh and Michael has a shocking revelation for the group:

they took his boy

(ok, you can read this one!)


This is building up to what will hopefull be a fantastic season finale. Finally, some plot development. Great television.

Irishpimpdude

9

Jesus that was some ending thats all i can say :eek: :eek:

Basq

4

Haven't seen it but heard it was a doozy!

I've a feeling these last few will be feckin' fantastic TV!

Selik

9

Unbelievable!

To say alot happened in it is a crazy understatement... That's just made up for the last 3 weeks of waiting!!!

I'm not sure I got the flashback in it though involving Anna-Lucia.... And I don't care what anyone says, she's a fox!

muppetkiller

you mean it was finally aired !!! whohoooo

Ciaran500

9

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Excellent ending overall the episode was abit slow though.

It looked like Michael just shot himself in the arm so I have a feeling he's going to try and make it look like Henry did it.

I wonder is Ana gone for good now? \o/

kaimera

9

Bloody hell!

W00t for the sex0r!

And excellent ending. Nice to see Lost back with a bang.

Maybe Henry will be caught leaving the hatch by Jack, John, kate

Washout

9

i thought the ana lucia backstory was great...

before the ending i was convinced that, because of the backstory, there would be further storyline(s) involving Jack and Ana Lucia.

I actually felt the chills down my spine when

michael shoots ana

and i thought my heart stopped when

michael shoots libby

best episode ever.

Interesting article on the whole ana story from some of the writers can be found at

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

digiman

9

What an episode!! 10/10, Im still in shock after watching that.
Could Michael be an other now?? He shot Anna Lucia for no reason that I can think of, he already has the backing of the rest of the camp to go find the others so I dont see why he would shot himself to make it look like Henry was invloved, I was waiting for Henry to say "hello Michael" when he opened the door!! I really thought that they filmed it like they knew each other already. Lucky stupid Sawyer as well, I would have given up the gun as well!!
No wonder the Anna Lucia and Libby went out on the piss when they heard this storyline!! I really can't wait until next week to see how Michael is going to explain all this

stevejazzx

7

ok lost goes all shakespearean and tarantinoesque here, mental, three main characters killed in the space of about 30 seconds....
ok heres what i think is happening
michael has been drugged(or maybe he was the inside man from begining/doubtful) (he possibly has the dreaded sickness) and he has been condition into the cult of these baffling people who are apparently doctors and scientists masquerading around in masks and apparel of poor island people (possibly to avoid cerebus - that is if they dont control it themselves ) or possibly to confuse the losties, it s odd, anyways this mental cult has some divine objective of possibly saving souls from the (as in eko s confession to henry, henry s comments about anna lucia 'goodwin said you were misunderstood,he thought he could save you ', ) but who are they saving them from? The global machine that is the Hanso.org? Is this fragment of dharma subverting hanso from within ? Are they working for hanso themselves? On the hanso.org site when you use the password to access it says 'welcome to dharma' like dharma exists beneath hanso secretly on their site, or that dharma is for priviledged members of hanso.org, I'm not sure, probably the latter, so this huge organisation is pumping money and resources into africa claiming to be developing and curing the nation obviously with some alterior motive of maybe devolping diseases and then providing the antidotes through their pharmaceutical affiliates, hmmm, but thats too simple it would seem they are invoved in something a lot more sinister and complex, my best guess is that 'others' work for hanso are involved in some kind of experiment in creating an utopian society for whatever reason i can't get because hanso seems to be interested in making global money with conglomerates etc. so the island seems to be another project completely, something to do with finding some precious stones or substances or something of the like, maybe the losties are being used somehow by dharma to gain access to the ?symbol we see on the blast door map....my head has offically melted...

Washout

9

do you not just think that Michael was simply blackmailed to release Henry and also to kill Ana Lucia for her part in killing one of the others herself?

They could have easily convinced him to do it otherwise Walt gets it. What is a father supposed to do?

Selik

9

Washout wrote:

do you not just think that Michael was simply blackmailed to release Henry and also to kill Ana Lucia for her part in killing one of the others herself?

They could have easily convinced him to do it otherwise Walt gets it. What is a father supposed to do?

Well... he's gotta get "my boy" back!!!

Snake Plisken

9

Ah sh1te I'm in Shock, Looks like Micheal was pre-programmed or told to take out Ana Lucia(or the others would kill Walt) not sure if he shot himself in the arm or chest, I would say Arm and then he can blame Henry for killing the other 2. All I can say is shocked what an ending and I actually was beginning to like Ana Lucia. Shocked Shocked!!!!!

Snake

Selik

9

Libby might even still be alive.... we don't know for sure, it is TV after all! I'm sure Jack could fix her up...

Lantis

7

Holy divine bollix, that was an incredibly huge twist.

Judging from the preview, Michael only shot his arm. And the preview's also making him out to be still controlled by the Others.

digiman

9

Lantis wrote:

Holy divine bollix, that was an incredibly huge twist.

Judging from the preview, Michael only shot his arm. And the preview's also making him out to be still controlled by the Others.

Put stuff about the next episodes in spoiler tags you ejit. Its ok to talk about what happened without spoiler tags but I dont want to know anything about the next episode.
Steveland, can you edit this

Cina

My god, what a frickin' awesome episode. I thought the episode in general was good, even the flashbacks were tolerable. I think it's clear that Michael was told to kill Ana Lucia, and him killing Libby was pure reaction almost, the look on his face when he did it suggests it was pure accident. I kinda knew AL was going to bite the bullet, I mean .. she is going to jail and all, but Libby aswell, thats just insane.
Michael deffo shot himself in the arm I think, so Henry escapes now, which I actually think is better because he's such a great character and I want to see a lot more of him in future episodes.

Regarding libby (not really a spoiler but some people might not want to see it)

Weren't they supposed to have a flashback episode planned for her? I'd be very surprised if she was dead, which it looks like, because we'll never know what the deal is with her and hurley in the hospital.

Rollo Tamasi

7

Mikes back story doesn't add up at all imo. How long was he gone for? And when we arrives at the ending of the last episode did he not have a bag over his head (and he seemed drugged) so obviously he was caught by the others and he never mentioned it.

I'm puzzled as to why Mike shot himself. If he wanted to blame it on Henry then should he not of released Henry before shooting himself. I'd say that the others put Mike up to taking out Anna Lucia due to her evil behavior.

Anyone else think that Libby and AL were killed off due to their drunk driving offenses? Seems a bit like a coincidence. If that is the case then it shows how much of the script the writers are making up as they go.

I gave this episode an 8. I thought it was fairly slow in parts and the Libby getting killed thing makes no sense (she more than likely is dead). Why would they develop her character into Hurleys background in the hospital one week and then kill her off without developing it any further. Stupid!

Lantis

7

digiman wrote:

Put stuff about the next episodes in spoiler tags you ejit. Its ok to talk about what happened without spoiler tags but I dont want to know anything about the next episode.
Steveland, can you edit this

Edited it myself. It's only speculation anyway, don't know what you're getting so effin' worked up about. The preview's part of the episode.

EDIT: Might want to edit yer own post there.

Rollo Tamasi

7

i just wanted to add that the flashback's are still cack. The writers should just give up on them now. Todays flashback did feck all to develop the character of AL. Ohh so she is sorry for killing someone...really, and look Sawyer bumped into her car. WOW! A whole half episode wasted on non sensical tripe!

Cina

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

I'm puzzled as to why Mike shot himself. If he wanted to blame it on Henry then should he not of released Henry before shooting himself. I'd say that the others put Mike up to taking out Anna Lucia due to her evil behavior.

Anyone else think that Libby and AL were killed off due to their drunk driving offenses? Seems a bit like a coincidence. If that is the case then it shows how much of the script the writers are making up as they go.

Ana Lucia had already untied Henry, it was merely a case of him running out of the hatch now.
And yes, they probly were killed off because of that, although they didnt make it clear as to whether libby was dead or not.

Also, I suddenly just got the title, hah.

red_fox

8

I'd say michael returned to free henry, he knew AL had been about to kill henry so by killing AL and shooting himself in the arm he could make it look like henry had managed to take the gun off AL and escape. Libby was shot as she saw him shoot AL.

He had to shoot himself too as he was meant to be in the hatch and would have to be involved. His motivation is certainly related to walt and they could well be a certain amount of drugging too as in Claires case.

Isn't funny how those 2 characters are apparently killed off after both of them were done for drink-driving early last year .. and Michelle Rodreiguez faced a possible jail-sentence

Yeah, I thought it was odd, but damn what an ending!

Selik

9

Anna Lucia's character was already planned to be killed off near the end of this series it's nothing to do with her drink driving thing. She only wanted to stay on the show a year and the scriptwriters and producers agreed to this on her signing up.

DEmeant0r

holy bloody christ :eek:

I always hated that Michael Character, annoying as ****, but now he's added some excitement into the story.

cregser

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

I'm puzzled as to why Mike shot himself. If he wanted to blame it on Henry then should he not of released Henry before shooting himself. I'd say that the others put Mike up to taking out Anna Lucia due to her evil behavior.

Anyone else think that Libby and AL were killed off due to their drunk driving offenses? Seems a bit like a coincidence. If that is the case then it shows how much of the script the writers are making up as they go.

Ahh! It all just seems so random. For me, Lost has lost that misterious je ne sais que about it. Every week (or 3) just seems to be about the latest wierd dream the writers had. "Ooh, let's have glow in the dark maps", "Let's give Libby and evil look - actually, just kill her off", "And make Sawyer (who can trick every Lostie by steeling the guns) have a goldfish's memory after shagging Anna Luicia".

I wonder whether season 1 was actually good or was I caught in the hype?

Selik

9

cregser wrote:

Ahh! It all just seems so random. For me, Lost has lost that misterious je ne sais que about it. Every week (or 3) just seems to be about the latest wierd dream the writers had. "Ooh, let's have glow in the dark maps", "Let's give Libby and evil look - actually, just kill her off", "And make Sawyer (who can trick every Lostie by steeling the guns) have a goldfish's memory after shagging Anna Luicia".

Either way I'm more addicted than ever now that I've got my latest fix!

Roll on next week...

sephirosis

8

In terms of shock value, there has been no scene in lost to compare with that one, so thats something to be applauded. there was no hint at all throughout ana's backstory that her arc was coming to an end and michael didnt seem suspicious until he actually did it.

i agree with the idea that he was blackmailed. he was likely caught by the others and either offered walt in return (unlikely) or threatened with his death. i think the biggest pointer to this is the fact that he seemed to be in mental and moral dilemma as he looked at the gun in his hand just before he said "I'm sorry". I dont think he really wanted to do it but thought he had to.

Looks like we can have a whole "Libby's dead/not dead week" (similar to the "Ana-Lucia didn't kill Shannon" arguement). I'm going to hedge my bets on her not being dead, I think the director will use the bundle of blankets she was holding as an excuse for limiting the damage she suffered from the bullets, and they also don't look to have entered in as critical or lethal places as Ana (who is undoubtedly a goner)

Finally, it doesnt look so much like Michael shot himself in the chest, the angle seemed wrong (wow this is far too much like Shannon's demise in terms of speculation), again like others Id have to say the arm, probably to pin the blame on Henry, who he probably hopes will act as a messenger back to the others to tell them he killed Ana. I wonder if Henry does escape will he be happy to leave without Locke? He did say his leader was most unforgiving.

Anyway all in all this was a cracking episode (though mainly standing on the quality of its finale) and a high point of the series. 9/10 methinks (point lost for flashbacks which could have been better but weren't awful by any means)

edit: Is it possible that the title of the episode alludes to Rodriguez' and Watros' little misdemeanour?? And they both get shot then. Could the writers be making some form of statement or are they just messing with our heads to fuel specualtion?

Rollo Tamasi

7

i have a gut feeling that next week will be a Libby back story and will end with her confessing 'stuff?'to Hurley just before she crooks.

DEmeant0r

If Libby is dead, then what happens to the backstory with Libby in the crazy house? You can't just start a story plot like that and not continue/end it... that's fupping stupid!

sephirosis

8

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

i have a gut feeling that next week will be a Libby back story and will end with her confessing 'stuff?'to Hurley just before she crooks.

yeah that's a definite possibility, would be a pity though i liked libby.

Hrmmm....

Shannon finds love with Sayid, croaks
Ana gets it on with Sawyer, dies
Libby seems to find her beau in Hurley, dead (well hopefully not)

Not the luckiest bunch when it comes to relationships it seems

Maybe Boone had a thing for Locke eh?

Narcissus

9

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

i have a gut feeling that next week will be a Libby back story and will end with her confessing 'stuff?'to Hurley just before she crooks.

Next week is

an Eko centric episode

Why are Ana-Lucia's teeth always so white?


What a great episode, never saw the ending coming. I think that Libby is still alive. Can't wait for next week!

4

Interesting ending and I'd concur with the theories regarding Michael being forced somehow to do what he did.

The rest of it was just average.I thought the fact that ana lucia knew jacks father so well was another one of those sloppy unbelievable co incidences.

I'll have to play it back again but at this stage I wouldnt be surprised if that was Sawyer that shouted at Anna Lucia in the back story where she hit a guy as she opened the car door :rolleyes:

I dont know where ye are all going with the "Oh my God that episode was the best" and 10 out of 10 etc etc Whats going to happen when theres a better one? 15 out of 10?? ye are getting carried away again in my opinion.

My vote is 5.
It would have been 4 only I didnt see the last part coming and I certainly didnt see the sawyer/Anna humpty scene coming either.

Sunn

it was great at the end when micheal goes on a rant and we go two "they took my son" in a row.. classic

Rollo Tamasi

7

Sunn wrote:

it was great at the end when micheal goes on a rant and we go two "they took my son" in a row.. classic

that was a beauty alright. Double wammy! I nearly forgot that they took his boy actually

Earthman wrote:

I'll have to play it back again but at this stage I wouldnt be surprised if that was Sawyer that shouted at Anna Lucia in the back story where she hit a guy as she opened the car door

no doubt about it. It was Sawyer. I thought that Sawyer and Jack's father were meant to have known each other? I might be wrong thou, it could just have been a theory that i read on this forum

Apapaia wrote:

Next week is

an Eko centric episode

arg! that makes no sense to me. Do they actually plan when they are going to have these flashbacks or is random? Why would they do a flashback for that person now, he hasn't featured in ages. I suppose the only logical reason is that his church comes into play now with a funeral but in fairness i could think of about at least 6 characters who would make for a more interesting flashback under the current circumstances.

danniemcq

they should cop on that it's a michael track because when he is being asked where he went he said to the tailies site and walked the beach. When Locke, Jack and Sawyer are following him after he runs off Locke asks sawyer did he remember it? he said no cause they were heading a different way.

He's lyin i tells ya lyin!

Anima

7

I thought that Sawyer and Jack's father were meant to have known each other?

Wasn't Christian walking into the bar where they first meet in that episode?

I thought it was a great episode. Lots of stuff happening and the twist at the end really caught me by suprise. Kinda knew two people were gonna die from the episode title but it was still good.

I suppose the questions now are, is Libby still alive and what is Henry going to do?

Exciting stuff

Rollo Tamasi

7

Anima wrote:

Wasn't Christian walking into the bar where they first meet in that episode?

you may need to refresh my memory. Did all this happen in series one?

Anima

7

Yeah it was in season 1. It was the episode where Sawyer shot the other "Sawyer" who in the end turned out to be some other guy.

I assume its the same bar that we saw in this episode.

sephirosis

8

In the Sawyer bacstory episode late last season (I think), the one where he actually goes and shoots that guy who he thought was the original Sawyer, he meets Christian in a bar and convinces him to ring "his son" to apologise. I'd be fairly certain it was just after the incident we saw in this ep with Christian and Ana in the car. Sawyer and Christian both enter that bar and the scene takes place.

On another note, if Michael was indeed sent to kill Ana, then do you think it was because she killed two of the others and then Goodwin? Is it revenge? If so, will Michael now go after Eko and maybe even Charliue since they have both killed at least one of the others (though they prob wouldn't know it was Charlie who shot Ethan). Thoughts?

Tristram

6

cregser wrote:

Ahh! It all just seems so random. For me, Lost has lost that misterious je ne sais que about it. Every week (or 3) just seems to be about the latest wierd dream the writers had. "Ooh, let's have glow in the dark maps", "Let's give Libby and evil look - actually, just kill her off", "And make Sawyer (who can trick every Lostie by steeling the guns) have a goldfish's memory after shagging Anna Luicia".

I wonder whether season 1 was actually good or was I caught in the hype?

Im starting to have the same doubts cregser.I really hope there was more of a coherent storyline in season one or maybe because it was new I was just carried away with the excitement of it all.Either way its starting to grate on my nerves now.Im happy that things did happen in this episode that are curious at least but I dont understand the people giving it 10/10 and saying best episode ever.35-37 minutes of nothing and then bam, **** happens.Maybe if **** happened and then there was follow through all in the one episode I wouldnt find it so tedious.

I was touch and go between giving it a six or seven.

Episode Rating: 7/10

edited: on further reflection i wish id given it six

Rollo Tamasi

7

I only started watching Lost half thru season 1 so i would have missed that Sawyer & Sawyer episode. I doubt it's important anyway judging by the complete lack of direction that the writers seem to be taking.

Selik

9

that was a beauty alright. Double wammy! I nearly forgot that they took his boy actually

They

took

my

BOY!!!!

_CreeD_

4

The actress who plays Libby has already signed on to a new Sitcom in the states, the is indeedy toast.

Shock value etc. it was good. Story-wise it was a weak episode. It was so obvious that Michael returning was some plan of the others yet the main characters all decided to have simultaneous brain anneurisms: Sure he turned up when they were demanding Walt back - Sure he claimed the others were simple and had frayed clothing/simple housing etc. when they know from Kate that the weathered look was something they fabricated using theatrical makeup...All perfectly plausable if your group has the collective brainpower of a crushed walnut. Sorry, for a show that prides itself (And usually justifiably) on being clever this was just too conceited. It was still enjoyable, but the show has moved to popcorn muncher status for me

Selik

9

on further reflection i wish id given it six

You shoulda just edited it to a 6 and we'd none be the wiser!