A question about the Arena [Spoiler]

Duras

What level where you when you got to beat them all? I am level 8 and I can not get to Gladiator rank yet.

I would've post in an Elder Scrolls/Oblivion forum but we don't have one

Vegeta

ok are you losing the fights or why exactly cant you get to gladiator, as far as I know you can finish it on any level

Vodka Junkie

I found this seriously powerful sword then i instantly went and tore trrough them all, I was about lvl 14 at the time though, but as Vegeta says there I don't believe there's a lvl limit on it. It would have told you just like for all other quests.

BadCharlie

Have not found the game hard at all. Never die in any my fights dont matter how many im against. Just have some positions to give you health or what every you need and put poision on your swords and this will give you the advantage.

Of late i go into the arena and take all 3 monsters with my fists to give them a chance.

Duras

Well I can't get to gladiator as there is an Orc lady Warrior with a huge hammer that kicks the hack out of me everytime I go in the ring. Maybe my level is too low to fight her? As I said I am only level 8 even I played a lot of hours. I dunno how you guys can kick them with bare hands I always had a hard time to defeat the oponents in the arena. The only ones that gave me no trouble was some Argonian Archer and some High Elf sorcerer.

Zillah

The game is level scaled. Believe it or not, but you need a combat orientated character to conquer the arena. If you leveled up on alchemy, speechcraft and alteration, then you're gonna die.

Stupid level scaling.

Sand

Block is your friend. Simply keep blocking, wait for her to hit you, and when shes recovering strike *once* then block again. The Chelsea strategy....Shes actually pretty handy to deal with. Ran through all the fights there in an hour or two yesterday.

Like Zillah said if you levelled up badly then youre just not cut out for the arena, and youll have to concentrate on combat skills until you are. I hammered through the area last night, no issues to report other than the multiple enemies fights which were problematic for my block, block, strike, block, block, block tactics. The other thing to note is the speed of the Arena opponents is ludicrous ( i.e. beyond human capability within the game mechanics ) to the point where pure archers will have a hard time. With my PCs End and Str I was able to temporarily drop bow & arrows go the Conan route and batter them round the place with a claymore but specialised characters will probably not be able to be as effective in employing that.

Zillah

Sand wrote:

The other thing to note is the speed of the Arena opponents is ludicrous ( i.e. beyond human capability within the game mechanics ) to the point where pure archers will have a hard time.

Freaking tell me about it. Absurd inhuman speed.

Duras

I block block but sometimes when she hits with that hammer my character gets sort of dizzy and can not keep the shields straight
I guess I just need to pack myself up with health potions before going into the ring.
I'm gonna give it a try tonite, I haven't played oblivion for 2 days now OMG!

daithimac

what kind of spells are you using. when I did that I usually just hacked away with a claymore until I won but for hard combatants I usually used a frost spell on them while running backwards away from them. never failed. you should be able to afford good spells from your winnings so far

Vodka Junkie

Duras wrote:

Well I can't get to gladiator as there is an Orc lady Warrior with a huge hammer that kicks the hack out of me everytime I go in the ring. Maybe my level is too low to fight her?

I think I remember her, I got this "seemigly" crap spel from an early mages guild quest called weak fireball I think, 5pts of damage for 3 seconds for 6 pts of magika. It's actualy the most powerful spell I have since it does 15pth of damage for feck all cost in magica, I can keep using it over and over and it never depleats my magiKa. I once made a pile of 5 daedroths and two scamps with it alone. Dragging them off eachother to get at the goods was fun Any way to make a long story slightly shorter I used this spell constantly on that orc and kept back peddling. She was not happy!!!

Saruman

Im a Spell sword so im just as handy with a Blade as i am with magic.. especially destruction magic
So did not have a problem with any of them. I could have just used magic on them but i wanted to increase my blade skill so i used a sword a lot too. At the time i used my Akiviri Dai Katana that i enchanted with 15 pts shock.

Zillah

daithimac wrote:

what kind of spells are you using. when I did that I usually just hacked away with a claymore until I won but for hard combatants I usually used a frost spell on them while running backwards away from them. never failed. you should be able to afford good spells from your winnings so far

My favourite was always the old "shoot them once with a poison of impossible strength, go invisible and watch them die" trick. Hehehe ^_^

ShiverinEskimo

If you really wanna ruin the arena to complete it you could just jump up on a pillar either side of the entrance. If you find you can't jump the whole way - wait til someone hits you and you'll fly up.

As said - it'll ruin it though.

Duras

ShiverinEskimo wrote:

If you really wanna ruin the arena to complete it you could just jump up on a pillar either side of the entrance. If you find you can't jump the whole way - wait til someone hits you and you'll fly up.

As said - it'll ruin it though.

I managed to kick her after I got myself few restore health potions. Actually at the end I was out of potions, i had to drink two bottles of wine to restore a bit of health.

Vegeta

2 bottles of wine in a fight, is your character Mikey the Pikey by any chance

chamlis

lol rofl etc....

Vegeta

chamlis wrote:

lol rofl etc....

Thank you..... you're far two kind... I'm here all week and please tip your waitress

Maximilian

I completed the Arena with very little difficulty at all, although I should have had my ass handed to me on a plate.

I learned this handy paralysis spell. Watch them fall to the ground and then chop them, punch them, have a cup of coffee, fire weedy spells at them - whatever. Honestly, I really like the game but there is so many things that need balancing. The level scaling thing is just laziness on the part of the developers.

Vegeta

Maximilian wrote:

I completed the Arena with very little difficulty at all, although I should have had my ass handed to me on a plate.

I learned this handy paralysis spell. Watch them fall to the ground and then chop them, punch them, have a cup of coffee, fire weedy spells at them - whatever. Honestly, I really like the game but there is so many things that need balancing. The level scaling thing is just laziness on the part of the developers.

Yea i'd share a lot of your views there, great game but seriously unbalanced in places. Once again just like morrowind it is much easier to play as a warrior type. My friend has started a new game as a strict mage who will wear no armor and only carry staffs. Now that is difficult, the character is p1ss weak and does very little damage

ShiverinEskimo

its very unfair to mage's in the sense that there is no sneak attack bonus for magic spells. Sneak attacks are extremely useful to me and make's the job of disposing enemies much more managable. But I do like me magic and i don't like that I can't sneak attack with magic.

Vegeta

ShiverinEskimo wrote:

its very unfair to mage's in the sense that there is no sneak attack bonus for magic spells. Sneak attacks are extremely useful to me and make's the job of disposing enemies much more managable. But I do like me magic and i don't like that I can't sneak attack with magic.

also no unarmored skill so that if you choose to wear no robes you can adapt to taking physical damage.

Now they took a step in the right direction by making magic easier to use but they really need to level the playing field for magic characters next time round.

Also on a side note which does more damage when maxed an arrow or a sword swipe

Drakar

I'd disagree that level scaling is lazyness on the part of the developers. It would be far easier to just say that oh in the first encounter you fight a level 1 orc, then in the second you fight a level 2 elf etc.

What level scaling means is that you can tackle all the quests in the game whenever you want. This is the openended nature of the game. It would be pretty cwap if you went off and did whatever you wanted till level 20, then came back and found the arena and just walked through the place because all the mobs were designed for a player of level 5.

Of course some quests will suit combat styled characters better, so they will always outfight their current level. These types of quests will be easier for them than was probably intended.

Vegeta

Drakar wrote:

I'd disagree that level scaling is lazyness on the part of the developers. It would be far easier to just say that oh in the first encounter you fight a level 1 orc, then in the second you fight a level 2 elf etc.

What level scaling means is that you can tackle all the quests in the game whenever you want. This is the openended nature of the game. It would be pretty cwap if you went off and did whatever you wanted till level 20, then came back and found the arena and just walked through the place because all the mobs were designed for a player of level 5.

Of course some quests will suit combat styled characters better, so they will always outfight their current level. These types of quests will be easier for them than was probably intended.

Thats the problem though you can do nearly all quests regardless of level and complete them, I like to call this "challenge be gone"

Zillah

Vegeta wrote:

Also on a side note which does more damage when maxed an arrow or a sword swipe

I assume sword.

Couple of other points to consider:

Sword gets X6 ambush, arrow only gets X3.
Sword can be swung much more often than arrows can be fired.
You can't run out of sword.

Vegeta

Zillah wrote:

I assume sword.

Couple of other points to consider:

Sword gets X6 ambush, arrow only gets X3.
Sword can be swung much more often than arrows can be fired.
You can't run out of sword.

yeah the reason i ask is that an arrow from a longbow should be doing way more damage than a sword if based on any bit of realism

i think i will send them an email with my recommendations

Zillah

Vegeta wrote:

yeah the reason i ask is that an arrow from a longbow should be doing way more damage than a sword if based on any bit of realism

i think i will send them an email with my recommendations

What exactly are you basing that on? Hypothetically you could cut a man in half with a longsword, and an arrow from a longbow might only impale a hand...

Vegeta

Zillah wrote:

What exactly are you basing that on? Hypothetically you could cut a man in half with a longsword, and an arrow from a longbow might only impale a hand...

yes but it would takes several goes to cut the man in half, the romans used shortswords as they knew this and used the shorter swords for stabbing vital organs

if you swing a sword at someone especially ones wearing armor (even leather armor) you will do blunt (might break an arm or rib) damage and make a cut which a person might bleed to death from. Stabbing is the way to go if using a sword.

The english longbow can destroy chainmail armor and easily skewer anyone it hits.

Believe me if someone said I had to take a swing of a sword to the chest or an arrow to the chest, I'd take the sword

Vegeta

Zillah wrote:

What exactly are you basing that on? Hypothetically you could cut a man in half with a longsword, and an arrow from a longbow might only impale a hand...

yes but it would takes several goes to cut the man in half, the romans used shortswords as they knew this and used the shorter swords for stabbing vital organs

if you swing a sword at someone especially ones wearing armor (even leather armor) you will do blunt (might break an arm or rib) damage and make a cut which a person might bleed to death from. Stabbing is the way to go if using a sword.

The english longbow can destroy chainmail armor and easily skewer anyone it hits.

Believe me if someone said I had to take a swing of a sword to the chest or an arrow to the chest, I'd take the sword

Zillah

Theres no precision involved in a longbow. With I sword I could plant it through your heart or throat relatively easily. With a bow, you might only impale the shoulder or arm, its fairly random, and they were generally used for bombarding formations from far away.

Real fight, Id take a bow wielding opponent any day.

Fake fight where I have to stand still and let them get one good hit, I don't know, I'd still probably go with the bow.

As for armor, it completely depends on how comprehensive the armor is, even fully armoured knights could be skewered by a smart opponent, let alone some one wearing a leather breastplate.

Vegeta

well modern archers shoot at up to 90m in the olympics on 122 cm boards and would generally be hitting the centre 20-30 cm

also with long bows they are just as accurate and in the middle ages they trained from an even earlier age than the olympians

so at lets say 30m I would not fancy my chances, also physics are on my side. Force is defined per unit area so the force of an arrow on its tiny little point would be greater than that of the side of a sword swung by a mans arm