Polish (CON) artists

MrSinn

Is it just where i live or has anybody here been asked to buy drawings from so called polish students ?
They do the house to house thing,they hand you a handwritten note telling you that they cant speak english,that they are students,and they are selling their goods to pay for college
Are these people for real?

drdre

MrSinn wrote:

Is it just where i live or has anybody here been asked to buy drawings from so called polish students ?
They do the house to house thing,they hand you a handwritten note telling you that they cant speak english,that they are students,and they are selling their goods to pay for college
Are these people for real?

i donot know about polish but there were people around cabinteely afew weeks ago, but these guys said they were spanish.also i heard of these spanish people around enniskerry.
i donot know whats going on?:rolleyes:

dimerocks

Yeah, my dad bought one. Its actually good but its not signed or anything. Still was only a fiver.

MrSinn

dimerocks wrote:

Yeah, my dad bought one. Its actually good but its not signed or anything. Still was only a fiver.

a fiver for a print out,did she kiss him before she rode him?

okidoki987

A fiver :eek: they came round to my gaff and were looking for 20

pclancy

I answered the door to one about two hours ago and she had perfect english. The picture was crap though and she was looking for €20 so no thanks.

God she was gorgeous tho.

MrSinn

pclancy wrote:

I answered the door to one about two hours ago and she had perfect english. The picture was crap though and she was looking for €20 so no thanks.

God she was gorgeous tho.

Same county as me,maybe the same bird,its hard to say no to a sexy bird but i did it

jimmycrackcorm

How is this a con?

someone calls round to you selling a painting - if you like ityou buy it. Perhaps the con is that they do it with those magic pens that makes the colours disappear after a week..

StupidLikeAFox

Yeah got these before, came to the door, asked would we like to buy a picture, i said no, ok thanks anyway, end of story

blu_sonic

They are piss poor, they have a neck like a jockeies arse by trying to flog them but more power to them, if they can get a few bob together out of it, i might start doing it myself, though not a lot of call for renderings of product design

Rb

Get these occasionally, have never bought anything off them and don't intend to but I'd hardly call it a con.

Silverfish

Had a Polish guy call to the door to try and sell me some drawings he apparently did - we spent 20 minutes discussing how he could have drawn them better, and then another 20 minutes discussing Ireland vs Poland where he assured me Ireland was definitely warmer, then I gave him 5 euro to go away before my flatmates brought him in for tea and he ended up living there.

No offence to him, I just didn't want to inflict my flatmates on other nationalities, its not fair.

I like the Polish, they're great.

And its better than them just coming up to me and scabbing money off me for nothing.

Caryatnid

A Spanish friend of mine used to sell someone elses paintings here. It was all 'ligit' - although come to think of it I'm not 100% sure if he was on the books or not.
Last Saturday a Polish guy called round to the gaff. It was about 12pm so I was still in bed. He rang the doorbell, then banged on the door straight away, and then rang the doorbell repetively (no pauses in between). I thought someone was gonna tell me my car was burnt out. When I answered the door, he said "HELLO!". I said "hi". Him; "From POLand." I'm just there looking at this cvnt. He had this attitude on him that made me want to smash his face in but that thought didn't get to me till he went as my brain was left still in bed.
Then he said "Selling Paintings!" He had a plastic bag under his arm. I was sure he was deliberately being an ignorant fvck and that that he would actually be able to say a sentence if he wanted to. I told him we had no money in the house, and he cursed at me in Polish, smiled in a nasty way, and went off. I was left there pretty pissed off. If someone wants to come to my door uninvited they should be decent to you. He's turned me off the next Polish person who comes to the door selling paintings.

elvis2002

I opened the door a few days ago and too my suprise I see this gift from god had come... the hottest babe I ever saw... I was in shock. Anyways she was a polish girl selling paintings. I said I didn't like any of the ones she had but to come back next time because I might buy one... i.e. no, but just to have a look at her again. Ohh, I should have turned the charm on...:(

Snake Plisken

Better then the Arsehole from Talk Talk who called at my door last week, looking to save me money on my phone bill! I said I wasn't interested, he said your not interested in saving money, I said I'm not interested in switching provider and I use my mobile mostly, he then starts getting cheeky and comes back with a smart arse answer "your either loaded or Mad", that is when I slammed the door in his face Its bad enough having these feckers telephoning me every week without them turning up at my door!

Snake

tallaghtdave

pclancy wrote:

I answered the door to one about two hours ago and she had perfect english. The picture was crap though and she was looking for €20 so no thanks.

God she was gorgeous tho.

HEHEHE\did u not offer to teach her english

unkel

tallaghtdave wrote:

HEHEHE\did u not offer to teach her english

Forget about English. I'd teach her French, Greek and Russian. In that order.

CoolGuy2006

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

How is this a con?

someone calls round to you selling a painting - if you like ityou buy it. Perhaps the con is that they do it with those magic pens that makes the colours disappear after a week..

Simple. A lad called over to my gaff the week before christmas. I like drawing myself and was actually in the middle of drawing a picture for my girlfriend as a christamas present. The doorbell rang so i went to see who it was. It was a horrible wet cold windy night. There was some polish guy with a bag of drwaings. He told me he he was an artist from polan and he has drawn these pitures. He goes through all of them even pointing out one of two children saying they were his cousins back home and blah blah blah blah this was a picture of his cat. Me being an artist myself and it being such a cold horrible night i decided i would buy one.

After paying 10euro and heading back inside were i could inspect the drawing a bit better. It turns out it was a crappy print on some piece of card. I couldnt see it properly while at my front door. So it wasnt the original matserpiece this clown said it was.

A girl came knocking the next month, i wasnt at home. Anyway, it was some polish girl, another artist, selling the same pictures with the same story :-)

Archeron

I got an eastern european dude, (dont know from where exactly) selling oil paintings at the door. Have to say, the work was brilliant. He didnt paint them, but was selling them for friends who are trying to save for a gallery. As it happened, I was looking for a painting at the time, so I bought one of his oil paintings (definitely an original) for €120. Flipping excellent painint, better than anything I'd seen in the shops or galleries here. He's happy, and I'm happy.
Its all good.

Hobbes

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

How is this a con?

A friend of mine got a job about 15 years ago to do this. You were basically given printed artists shots of Dublin (poorly printed) and they sold them door to door. They had to go on about how they were hand drawn, blah blah... The truth was they were taken from the government library shots (some book) which was pretty illegal to begin with as I recall. They also basically charged you a silly amount of cash for a piece of cardboard and print on paper.

I assume the con is along this lines.

Sgt. Politeness

Silverfish wrote:

And its better than them just coming up to me and scabbing money off me for nothing.

Aye, at least theyre selling something. Not like its begging or stealing, and unless the picture self destructs after 5 minutes, i fail to see how this is a con.

connundrum

Its not a con, they provide the goods and you provide the money - simple transaction. If the picture suddenly started fading 5 minutes after you've bought it due to the invisible ink used to draw it - then it would be a con

They are obviously not drawn by said Polish people, everyone knows that Polish people can't draw, and everyone knows that Polish people are/were never students to begin with :rolleyes:

I came across the same situation in the States where people were questioning Lap Dancers who were simply minding their own business and trying to put themselves through Harvard... cut them some slack*





*May or may not be coated in sarcasm.

CoolGuy2006

you fail to see how its a con?

eh, they are lying to you. They tell you they drew this picutre themselves. That is why you buy it, you think you are buying a orginal that someone has put some time and effort into. You are led to believe that you are buying this piture off the "Artist". You are not getting what you paid for

They are deceiving you, it is a con

This only appllies to the people seeling prints by the way. i have no problem with people calling door to door selling stuff in a honest manner

elvis2002

if someone told you in that they were selling Original Levi's for 20 Euro's and you buy them and then figure out they are fake. Its a Con. Same thing here.

jsr

If someone offered you an "Original" painting/print for a fiver and you believed 'em you deserve to be conned!
Anyway if you like the pic/print whats the harm?

`Whats the big deal? I've had Irish people doing the same for paintings, and even digital printouts. I haven't bought any so far, but if its good and a reasonable price I might buy one.

Hardly a Con. if you don't want it, don't buy it. If you're expecting a masterpiece, don't expect to be offered one for 10 euro.

CoolGuy2006

Ok, firstly it wasnt a painting i bought, it was a pencil sketch (print)

Secondly, how can you say it isnt a con. He lied to me. Yes i liked the picture and yes i wanted to buy it because he told me he drew it. I did not want to buy a print and only realised it was a print when i took it inside into proper light.

How can you say this isnt a con, He lied to me plain and simple. He had a whole story that went along with it.

If he had called to my door and asked me did i want to buy a print i would be ok with that.

He sold me something claiming it was something else

I did want a original sketch, i didnt want a stupid print. I was buying the work and talent, not a copy on a bit of card

netwhizkid

One of these fellas came to my house about a year ago with a piece of paper saying "From Poland, No money would you like to buy my painting €20" I told him go next door to my neighbour who proceeded to send him back to me again :eek: I had some loose change in my pocket which was around €4 And I gave it to him and told him to be on his merry way! Didn't get no painting though. I'd like to have a hot Polish babe come round...I'm sure the old netwhizkid charm and the fact that I'm minted could secure more than a painting

Jamey

Someone told me that thw whole 'No Money to pay for College' is a load BS because Polish students now get EU Grants to study abroad? Could anyone confirm this?

CoolGuy2006

CoolGuy2006 wrote:

Ok, firstly it wasnt a painting i bought, it was a pencil sketch (print)

Secondly, how can you say it isnt a con. He lied to me. Yes i liked the picture and yes i wanted to buy it because he told me he drew it. I did not want to buy a print and only realised it was a print when i took it inside into proper light.

How can you say this isnt a con, He lied to me plain and simple. He had a whole story that went along with it.

If he had called to my door and asked me did i want to buy a print i would be ok with that.

He sold me something claiming it was something else

I did want a original sketch, i didnt want a stupid print. I was buying the work and talent, not a copy on a bit of card

What did you do.... He offered the sale, you pushed money into his outstretched hands, and grabbed the drawing, without looking at it?

I'm sorry but its your mistake. You failed to examine the picture/sketch/print whatever.

I still can't see a con here, because you could have checked the sketch before you bought it, determining what format it was in. You assumed that it would be an original sketch.

In my eyes at least it wasn't a con. Just lack of oberservation by yourself. :rolleyes:

rob1891

Archeron wrote:

I got an eastern european dude, (dont know from where exactly) selling oil paintings at the door. Have to say, the work was brilliant. He didnt paint them, but was selling them for friends who are trying to save for a gallery. As it happened, I was looking for a painting at the time, so I bought one of his oil paintings (definitely an original) for €120. Flipping excellent painint, better than anything I'd seen in the shops or galleries here. He's happy, and I'm happy.
Its all good.

My ma got one of these also. The guy was an Israeli, selling his own and other peoples work. All oil on canvas, some quite nice. Friggin frame cost more than the painting in the end. She's happy with it so who cares if it was a con!

The_Minister

They always admitted to us that they were from a computer.

Giblet

Deleted User wrote:

What did you do.... He offered the sale, you pushed money into his outstretched hands, and grabbed the drawing, without looking at it?

I'm sorry but its your mistake. You failed to examine the picture/sketch/print whatever.

I still can't see a con here, because you could have checked the sketch before you bought it, determining what format it was in. You assumed that it would be an original sketch.

In my eyes at least it wasn't a con. Just lack of oberservation by yourself. :rolleyes:

Yes a CON is ALWAYS your mistake.... Each of the points you have made apply to all cons.

CoolGuy2006

CoolGuy2006 wrote:

eh, they are lying to you. They tell you they drew this picutre themselves. That is why you buy it, you think you are buying a orginal that someone has put some time and effort into. You are led to believe that you are buying this piture off the "Artist". You are not getting what you paid for

They are deceiving you, it is a con

Giblet wrote:

Yes a CON is ALWAYS your mistake.... Each of the points you have made apply to all cons.

Hmm.... maybe you should sue Lynx for telling you that their products will have women running after you all the time, when they obviously know its a marketing gimmic.....

Know what I mean? Surely you've learnt by now to read between the lines, and judge a product on its own without the propoganda that comes before it.

The Artist lied. So what? He boosted the quality of his product, therefore getting you to buy it. At every stage during the sale of the drawing, you could have checked what he was selling. That is not a con. Cons usually involve where you have to pay first, with the seller disappearing before you can open the good.

CoolGuy2006

eh, a con is when someone gains confidence from someone.

He gained my confidence by lying, its quite simple really.

Im not the one who started this post, i dont feel that passionately about it. Just felt id add my own account.

Whatever way you look at it, it was a con


And no, its not the same as clever advertising. Its like buying a can of coke and you find there is pepsi inside. Yes, they are both cola's but its not what you wanted or paid for

I think your're missing the point. how can you say he lied but he didnt con me. I bought something thinking it was something else because he lied to me. And yes, you can say its my fault for not checking, i did check. I checked as soon as i got inside but becuase it was christmas and all i didnt want to start any ****.

Jumpy

Snake Plisken wrote:

Better then the Arsehole from Talk Talk who called at my door last week, looking to save me money on my phone bill! I said I wasn't interested, he said your not interested in saving money, I said I'm not interested in switching provider and I use my mobile mostly, he then starts getting cheeky and comes back with a smart arse answer "your either loaded or Mad", that is when I slammed the door in his face Its bad enough having these feckers telephoning me every week without them turning up at my door!

Snake

You should have replied, "yeah and you must be poor to end up doing that".

And no, its not the same as clever advertising. Its like buying a can of coke and you find there is pepsi inside. Yes, they are both cola's but its not what you wanted or paid for

I think your missing the point

Was the print covered and wrapped up so the buyer couldn't see what the print was like?

from my take on this, he could have looked at his purchase at any time. He just handed over the money and took what was given. He didn't check that what he was buying, was the same as what he thought it was going to be.

My point is simple. He could have checked the picture at any time before he bought it. Thats not a con. A con is where you're trusting someone because you can't check it out fully. But, hey, you can feel he was hard-done by. I just think he made a mistake.

CoolGuy2006

sorry mate, i think your grasp of reality is slighty obscured.

He took my money off me knowing that he made a sale because he told me it was an original. I dont see how this is a marketing gimmick.

What person looks at a "Lynx" add as you say and actually believes they are going to have women running around after them

Lynx sell you a deodorant, you get a deodorant.

Con artist sells you picture saying its an original, you get a copy

This is the most simplest con ever, i fail to see how you cant seem to grasp it. It sounds silly to me that you say it wasnt a con because i was stupid and didnt check it first, thats my point, THE CON HAD ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. He gained my confidence by lying to me. Hence its called a CON




"A con is where you're trusting someone because you can't check it out fully."

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Well, there are many different cons. The basis is all the same, someone gets money off someone under false pretence by gaining confidence.

Con artist sells you picture saying its an original, you get a copy

Ok. Let me ask you this. Do you think he should have checked the picture before handing over the money to ensure that it was an original?

Are you really that trusting of what people selling something are telling you?

RotalicaV

I work with a few polish guys. Really hard working when given the chance and they're all dead sound.

I wouldn't label poland but i can understand that every basket has some bad eggs.

CoolGuy2006

Ok, maybe you havent read everything.

He said he was the artist who drew these pictures. He pointed out a picutre of his cat and his younger cousins that are living back in poland.

I liked the one with the cat and bought it under the pretence that he told me he drew it.

When i got inside into proper light i realized that it was a print. And yes, i am a very trusting person. I liked all the pitures he had. If he had told me they were prints i would have no problem with him calling to my door.

He didnt though, he told me he had drawn all these himself. A month later a girl called by the house with the same pics with the same story



And sorry, im not labeling all polish people as con artists. I have many polish friends here.

imeddyhobbs

I had the same thing a few weeks ago,i answered the door to her,she handed me the note,i said no thank you then she said ahh jasses boss wud ya not take one off me,turns out she was a tinker so i gave her a bit of scrap metal and told her to gwan

Kintarō Hattori

Sorry I have to back klaz up on everything he said so far!

Caryatnid

Deleted User wrote:

Ok. Let me ask you this. Do you think he should have checked the picture before handing over the money to ensure that it was an original?

Are you really that trusting of what people selling something are telling you?

Klaz, why do you not see what a con is? It's irrelevant of how trusting/stupid the person being sold to is - it's still a con. Suppose a guy comes to my door, selling real gold jewellery to your door for a tenth of the value, and says it is from a shop that is shutting down - I would think the stuff is stolen and not buy it from him. Maybe my next-door-neighbour doesn't have a destroyed mind like mine, and is more innocent, believes the story, and buys the stuff. Has my next-door-neighbour been lied to? Yes.
Conned? Yes.
Was he too trusting of what people tell him? Irrelevant.

Caryatnid

Caryatnid wrote:

Klaz, why do you not see what a con is? It's irrelevant of how trusting/stupid the person being sold to is - it's still a con. Suppose a guy comes to my door, selling real gold jewellery to your door for a tenth of the value, and says it is from a shop that is shutting down - I would think the stuff is stolen and not buy it from him. Maybe my next-door-neighbour doesn't have a destroyed mind like mine, and is more innocent, believes the story, and buys the stuff. Has my next-door-neighbour been lied to? Yes.
Conned? Yes.
Was he too trusting of what people tell him? Irrelevant.

I suupose I count a con as being some action thats a little bit more intelligent. In this case I wouldn't have considered it a con, simply because at any stage during the purchase he could havce checked the product. It was his own lack of observation that created the con. There's nothing here that suggests that this was an intentional con, since the seller didn't try to change the product to reflect what he was trying to sell.

When I was in Russia, there was a con, where a guy infront dropped a wad of cash on the ground in front of you. If you picked it up, a militia member would appear, and start questioning you. The original man would then come back, and between them they would say you were trying to steal the money. then you'd need to bribe both to stop being arrested (which in turn would cost more money to get out of)

That to me is a con. You view this painting job as being a con. Fine. I don't.

Again I'll say it. At every stage during this purchase the buyer could have checked the product to confirm his own assumptions.

If it makes you feel better to think of this as a con, fair game to you. However, I wouln't call it a con, and the mistake rests totally on the buyer.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Again I'll say it. At every stage during this purchase the buyer could have checked the product to confirm his own assumptions.

He didnt 'assume' they where pencil drawings, he was told!!!

I have had 3 or so of these Poles selling these prints, two where very attractive girls, and I bought a couple of the 'sketches'. In each case they where made out to be hand drawn, and in each case they where not. Now as I bought them for the asthetic value this didn't bother me, and after the first one I knew what I was getting.

But it is most definatly a con.

CoolGuy2006

A confidence trick, confidence game, also known as a con, scam, or flim flam, is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the "mark") usually with the goal of financial or other gain. ---- WIKIPEDIA

So, it is a con. Not saying its crime of the century or anything but it is a con

These "artists" create the their story because they know that most people dont wanna hand over money for a print. So, they mislead the person, ie ME, and tell them a story that isnt true and claim the product is something which it isnt.

Simple con but a con none the less

padi89

Klaz of course its a con.He was lead to belive he was buying a drawing by the artist and it turned out to be a print,this is a blatant lie by the seller.I dont see your Russian reference as a very intelligent con in my opinion,I certainly wouldnt pick up a wad of cash thats fallen out of some dudes especially in Russia of all places, but there are people that will.Thats how cons work,some people are just less wary that others ,not nessecarily less intelligent.

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

FuzzyWuzzyWazza wrote:

He didnt 'assume' they where pencil drawings, he was told!!!

And you believe everything you're told? Come on.

He did assume that the product was the same as he was told. Otherwise he would have have checked the product to ensure what he thought he bought was what he actually bought.

I had a big reply ready to post about this, but I figured in the end I was just repeating what I've already said. [And now in hindsight I've just rewritten what I had removed, lol]

Its very rare that products are sold without some form of embellishments about what it can do, or how it can improve our lives. This isn't any different, and in many ways this situation makes it easier to check the product before buying where you often can't in supermarkets, or from the TV. [I have a number of products ranging from nose-hair clippers, electric razors, to frying pans all of which promised alot, but failed greatly. Good marketing, but failed to deliver. A con, perhaps?]

I have had 3 or so of these Poles selling these prints, two where very attractive girls, and I bought a couple of the 'sketches'. In each case they where made out to be hand drawn, and in each case they where not. Now as I bought them for the asthetic value this didn't bother me, and after the first one I knew what I was getting.

Thats nice. You've bought them, and you're happy. You bought the items, and weren't pissed that you didn't check the purchase before handing over your money. Not once, but three times. Ever think to check the pictures as you're talking about the money?

And if you have a problem with this "con", then why haven't you reported these people when they come repeatedly to "con" you? And yet you're ok with this because of the "asthetic value"?

But it is most definatly a con

Where does your responsibility to check your purchases start and end? At what stage is it just marketing, and when does it turn into "a con"? What separates the purchasers stupidity, as opposed to an actual confidence scam?

This is where we differ on this. I understand that you believe this to be a con. Frankly I don't really care if it is or not. It doesn't matter. What does matter is this seemingly throwing away of personal responsibility just because it was a con.......... We're responsible for our actions/inactions, and the original buyer was responsible for checking the product before handing over the money. That to me is common sense.

blueshirt

I don’t really mind Poles, or most other eastern Europeans. They are European like ourselves and the only thing separating us is language. But that can be surmounted. Most of the women are very attractive and we could do with them to thicken up the blood. (Don’t need or want Africans though, they have no place here, let them go to their former colonial masters, they are responsible for them, not us).

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

Thats nice. You've bought them, and you're happy. You bought the items, and weren't pissed that you didn't check the purchase before handing over your money. Not once, but three times. Ever think to check the pictures as you're talking about the money?

And if you have a problem with this "con", then why haven't you reported these people when they come repeatedly to "con" you? And yet you're ok with this because of the "asthetic value"?

Of course I checked them, they where handed to me before the purchase, they are pretty decent pics and though they are prints the look very like sketches, only on a pretty close inspection would you even notice.

Apart from the reason I stated before, these people where out trying to make some money, so I gave them some, better the mugging people or straling stuff to make some extra cash.

I am not upset with the con, I paid my money and got some nice pictures, but they are not what the seller said they where, and as I said before, that didn't matter to me.