Drugs ..

Heyes

There is a serious drugs issue in dublin and ireland as a whole at the moment. Basically im just asking what everyone opinion is on it. I personally have no intrest in drugs at all, yeah grand hash is not quite as strong etc, but im refuring to the harder class drugs as a whole, when people i know go out and start doing coke and e's i just want nothing to do with it.

Yes everyone to there own , go do what you want, but me and drugs dont go together.

So whats everyone else s opinion ??

Naos

/shakes head

slipss

Heyes wrote:

There is a serious drugs issue in dublin and ireland as a whole at the moment. Basically im just asking what everyone opinion is on it. I personally have no intrest in drugs at all, yeah grand hash is fine, but when people i know go out and start doing coke and e's i just want nothing to do with it.

Yes everyone to there own , go do what you want, but me and drugs dont go together.

So whats everyone else s opinion ??

Shocking that I'm one of the first people to reply to this but saying hash is fine and then critisizing(or however it's spelt) people for doing coke and e just deosn't make sense to me. Could you tell me why you draw the line between coke/e and hash? Incase you take what I say wrongly, fair play to ye for not being into drugs, most drugs are bad for your health and your pocket including nicotine, alcohol and caffiene

The OP

My fav drug is LSD - but I only do it about 3 times per year under controlled and/or planned conditions. I like to smoke my own homegrown weed in a bong, but only about once per week - it's black or white for me - I either get totally mashed once in a while, or I don't bother smoking at all. Stopped smoking joints in 2002, and stopped smoking cigs in 1999. I'm tobacco free now.

Don't like Cocaine, Ecstacy, Speed, MDMA, anymore - sh*tty comedown, and the novelty wore off pretty quick after a few years - thinking back to the Red Box makes me cringe now.

Never tried heroine, and wouldn't.

That's it.

Cosine

I dont do drugs but I dont mind the lads in the house smoking hash since its nothing too dangerous.

Stronger drugs make me worry specialy when there are people near me who are doing them :eek: Time to get my white ass out of there

Sangre

And what exactly is the problem with them?

Heyes

slipss wrote:

Shocking that I'm one of the first people to reply to this but saying hash is fine and then critisizing(or however it's spelt) people for doing coke and e just deosn't make sense to me. Could you tell me why you draw the line between coke/e and hash?

In my post im refuring to the problem with coke and e through out the country, not the use of hash. No drug is fine, im just saying some are not as strong and sever as what im refuring to.

Dooom

slipss wrote:

Shocking that I'm one of the first people to reply to this but saying hash is fine and then critisizing(or however it's spelt) people for doing coke and e just deosn't make sense to me. Could you tell me why you draw the line between coke/e and hash? Incase you take what I say wrongly, fair play to ye for not being into drugs, most drugs are bad for your health and your pocket including nicotine, alcohol and caffiene

Well Cocaine and Ecstasy can be potentially dangerous. Hash on the otherhand, isn't. The only thing it's really detrimental to is your wallet.
IIRC isn't hash a Class C drug now? Whereas Coke and E's remain Class A drugs. Could be thinking of Britain..

slipss

Just getting in before people start spouting the "even water can kill you argument" with the usual response "but drugs make you drink too much water" e(MDMA) and coke are as safe as alcohol if they are used responsibly.

Eru

The chances of dying from hash use is extremely rare. the chances of becoming addicted is also rare. IMHO it should be legalised therefore removing casual users from the criminal justice system and the hands of dealers.

really its like comparing a cold to AIDS. Both make you sick and are viruses but they aint the same.

As for the rest, if people are going to use then it will be sold and if everyong turns a blind eye then really what can be done? You can only protect people from themselves so much. Sad but true.

Heyes

Spike wrote:

Well Cocaine and Ecstasy can be potentially dangerous. Hash on the otherhand, isn't. The only thing it's really detrimental to is your wallet.
IIRC isn't hash a Class C drug now? Whereas Coke and E's remain Class A drugs. Could be thinking of Britain..

Hash does have long term effects, it has been known to effect memory, as for coke and e.. both can kill you

slipss

Spike wrote:

Well Cocaine and Ecstasy can be potentially dangerous. Hash on the otherhand, isn't. The only thing it's really detrimental to is your wallet.
IIRC isn't hash a Class C drug now? Whereas Coke and E's remain Class A drugs. Could be thinking of Britain..

It's true you can die suddenly form an overdose of E or Coke (if thats what you mean by potentially dangerous), but you can just as easily die from an alcohol overdose. And if caffiene was sold in such a refined and high dosing form as coke or e it would be just as lethal.

riptide

Spike wrote:

Well Cocaine and Ecstasy can be potentially dangerous. Hash on the otherhand, isn't. The only thing it's really detrimental to is your wallet.
IIRC isn't hash a Class C drug now? Whereas Coke and E's remain Class A drugs. Could be thinking of Britain..

Big hash heads get ****ed up over time. I knew them in college and now. They loose interest in things and are generally more stupid if they're the type of guys who smoke a joint for breakfast.

slipss

I feel that you (Heyes) blame the drug itself when the real blame lies in the way it's produced, sold and taken.

irishpal25

i have no problem with hash, i just about to smoke up now actually lol

Dooom

Heyes wrote:

Hash does have long term effects, it has been known to effect memory, as for coke and e.. both can kill you

Care to give a resource? It's not that I doubt you, that sounds familiar, but wasn't it over a very long period of time?
And a lot of things can affect one's memory. Too much alcohol, for instance.

slipss

lol 16 replies in 20 mins, that must be some kinda record

riptide

Spike wrote:

Care to give a resource? It's not that I doubt you, that sounds familiar, but wasn't it over a very long period of time?
And a lot of things can affect one's memory. Too much alcohol, for instance.

One thing I will say about this thread.... there is no point comparing drugs to other drugs... they're all bad when abused.

Eminem

To be honest i wouldnt do them , But if people want to do them its up to them .

Heyes

slipss wrote:

I feel that you (Heyes) blame the drug itself when the real blame lies in the way it's produced, sold and taken.

Im not blaming any one thing in particular, you d have to blame all of what you say above as well as the individual that chooses to use it.

Dooom

riptide wrote:

There is no point comparing drugs to other drugs... they're all bad when abused.

That's true, but it's not limited to just drugs.

slipss

Heyes wrote:

Im not blaming any one thing in particular, you d have to blame all of what you say above as well as the individual that chooses to use it.

Fair enough then

Chucky the tree

riptide wrote:

Big hash heads get ****ed up over time. I knew them in college and now. They loose interest in things and are generally more stupid if they're the type of guys who smoke a joint for breakfast.

Excactly. If drugs are takenly correctly they wont do you any long term harm. If people start drinking for breakfast everyday it would seriously effect them.

I enjoy the odd drug every so often. I never over do it on them and know my limit. unfortunatly some people over do it and dont know there limit, the excact same as with drink.

What i hate is people who know nothing about drugs talking complete bollox about them. People who are stuck up about them aswell, and who look down on you for taking them, yet go out and get hammered every weekend.

Dave!

jeez, this thread is really difficult to read for some reason

riptide

Spike wrote:

That's true, but it's not limited to just drugs.

No but I assume the thread is.

Dooom

DaveMcG wrote:

jeez, this thread is really difficult to read for some reason

Haven't been doing any drugs tonight, have you Dave?

Blackjack

Drugs are bad, Mmkay?

Dave!

Spike wrote:

Haven't been doing any drugs tonight, have you Dave?

Unfortunately not

Wertz

Cocaine is god's way of telling you you have too much money.

Eglinton

The OP wrote:

Don't like Cocaine, Ecstacy, Speed, MDMA, anymore - sh*tty comedown, and the novelty wore off pretty quick after a few years .

I have to say, I had a chuckle at your sense of time!!!

AngryBadger

I don't think the problem is with drugs themselves, it' the abuse of them. A lot fo the time people are using/abusing without even realising it, until it's too late. Because you can feel good instantly it's a great escape, and people with probmems always want to escape.

I actually think hash is one of the worst because it seems to be so innocuous, and the public perception is that it's totally harmless, with the result that you have scores of people using it nearly 24/7, and thinking they're fine.

plonk

Hash really f***s your memory up. Whats this thread about again.

mayhem#

In my opinion drugs (of any kind) are fine when you're young-ish and having the wild time that you're due.
However someone past the age of say 30 who still finds it neccesary to regularly use drugs is just a bit sad...

E.

MrVestek

I've smoked hash the odd time myself and I don't really see a problem with it. As many have said here before any drug, be it alchohol, nicotine or even cheese can have a long term effect on you if you drink/sleep/eat it 20 times a day.

I too have a problem with people who are extremelly snobby about the whole thing. Recently when I told a friend of mine that I had smoked a few joints in the past she was all like OMFG YOU BIG EEJIT! YOU'RE DOING DRUGS NOOO STEVEN WHHHYYY?!

I was like jesus christ calm down... and what's worse is she goes out most weekend and comes home completely pissed. Of course when I tried to explain this to her, apparently alchohol isn't a drug because it's legal.

*sigh*

AngryBadger

Achilles wrote:

Of course when I tried to explain this to her, apparently alchohol isn't a drug because it's legal.

*sigh*

yep :rolleyes:

MrVestek

Aye some people are just so.. gah what's the word for it? Closed off and too forward thinking sometimes.

Cosine

tunnel vision? They see a problem and focus in on the big cause of it ignoring other things that can cause it

Also a bad thing to have in a FPS match

Ozzy

Alcohol isn't a drug cocksuckers, it's the nectar of the gods.
Everyone knows thi................................s..........................

slipss

Ozzy wrote:

Alcohol isn't a drug cocksuckers, it's the nectar of the gods.
Everyone knows thi................................s..........................

Irish Government Warning: Alcohol can cause you to type way to many full stops.

rubadub

Wertz wrote:

Cocaine is god's way of telling you you have too much money.

That used to be the old line, nowadays buying spirits & mixers in a pub is a more expensive habit.

shroomfox

I didn't realise I was the only cheese addict around. It's ruining my life.

Drugs are for hugs, people.

rubadub

mayhem# wrote:

However someone past the age of say 30 who still finds it neccesary to regularly use drugs is just a bit sad...

Jesus, I know guys who are 80 and still enjoy a pint in the local, you must think they are really sad.

30!!, I presume you are in your early 20's, just like 16 year olds think 25 year olds should be at home doing the knitting on a saturday night.

The OP

Wertz wrote:

Cocaine is god's way of telling you you have too much money.

Try telling the homeless junkies they have too much money....

Siogfinsceal

if u want to do drugs, do drugs - Ive no problem with people doing coke or hash. Not keen on being round people on pills cos they just act the eejit and it wrecks my head. Heroin is another story though. While someone can go about their normal life, have a proper job, do a bit of coke and the weekend and be grand - heroin is a killer and takes over a life. at the same time though I think theres too much emphasis on drugs - why not legalise them all? Its the murderers, rapists and peadophiles we shoul dbe after. the yuppie in the bathroom of a nightclub snorting a line isnt harming anyone -
yet what about the parnets out there abusing their kids, the rapist prowling the streets looking for young drunk girls to prey on etc they are harming someone

AngryBadger

Siogfinsceal wrote:

at the same time though I think theres too much emphasis on drugs - why not legalise them all? Its the murderers, rapists and peadophiles we shoul dbe after. the yuppie in the bathroom of a nightclub snorting a line isnt harming anyone -
yet what about the parnets out there abusing their kids, the rapist prowling the streets looking for young drunk girls to prey on etc they are harming someone

As you said yourself some drugs may kill you the one time you take them, legalising them all is giving the responsibility back to peple, and I'm sorry, but most people are donkeys, you suddenly legalise all drugs, and you're going to have an epidemic of drug related problems, problems which are curently limited to smaller numbers, not saying these people are somehow irrelevant, b that's a problem we have some hope of managing, if drugs were all legalised the problem would amplify to nightmare proportions.

Tobias Greeshman

As badger says, legalizing drugs will not help solve the problem and only make it worse. Suddenly all these drugs are made legal and you'll have people who would never think of touching drugs in the first place experimenting with them now because they are now legal. Now something that was bad and forbidden is now acceptible, so of course people will become more easily tempted into experimenting with them. So what happens then with drugs like Ecstasy which reacts differently to different people, one pill could kill one person while another person could pop ten dozen pills and live to tell the tale. Legalizing drugs will no doubt lead to an increasing amount of cases of drug abuse and will destroy a large number of people's lives.

Of course legalizing drugs will cause major damage to the huge amounts of money that drug lords make from the illegal sale of drugs. But it will never solve the problem that it causes to people's lives.

WhiteWashMan

Ozzy wrote:

Alcohol isn't a drug cocksuckers, it's the nectar of the gods.
Everyone knows thi................................s..........................

banned.

rubadub

Siogfinsceal wrote:

Heroin is another story though. While someone can go about their normal life, have a proper job, do a bit of coke and the weekend and be grand - heroin is a killer and takes over a life.

There are plenty of heroin addicts leading perfectly normal lives, just like functional alcoholics and nicotine addicts. There was a documentary showing heroin use in the Uk before with housewives and doctors who were heroin addicts using it daily, but because it was pharmacuetical grade in known doses it was controllable and they lead normal lives. The only people you normally see are extreme junkies, the business man next to you may on the train may be using just a bit less than the junkie in front of you. The use is totally hidden and taboo. If alcohol was illegal everybody would think all users are like destitute winos you see on the streets, just like many think all heroin users are out of their minds robbing grannies handbags.

AnTaoiseach

AngryBadger wrote:

As you said yourself some drugs may kill you the one time you take them, legalising them all is giving the responsibility back to peple, and I'm sorry, but most people are donkeys, you suddenly legalise all drugs, and you're going to have an epidemic of drug related problems, problems which are curently limited to smaller numbers, not saying these people are somehow irrelevant, b that's a problem we have some hope of managing, if drugs were all legalised the problem would amplify to nightmare proportions.

What makes you think you have the right to decide what other people put into their bodies?
Really, a law banning something should never have worse effects on society than the the thing being banned. this seems to be the case with drugs

MorningStar

THe real truth is there is probably more damage being done by th eillegal trade in drugs than the actual drugs themselves. Like in the US when proabition was in place it is believed more alcohol was consumed. The people that became powerfull as a result were the mafia. Look around and you can see the majority of crime here is a derivitive of drugs.

The dangers of drugs are those who sell it and make a profit from it. Where they get this money to buy drugs tends to be from crime. such as shop lifting.

Gurgle

silas wrote:

Suddenly all these drugs are made legal and you'll have people who would never think of touching drugs in the first place experimenting with them now because they are now legal.

So the people who don't do any drugs but would if they were legal (both of them) would turn into bottom-feeding junkies ?

Isnt there a chance that legal drugs would be safely regulated so that an experiment doesn't end up fatal ?
Warnings on labels, instructions, side effects etc.

Seriously, I reckon anyone inclined to try drugs will get some to try whether they're legal or not.
Most of the immediete medical problems are caused by taking stuff improperly, taking too much, or getting contaminated drugs. I'd imagine quality, contents and strength could be controlled just as well as they currently do with alcohol and pharmaceuticals.

Also, as pointed out earlier, the addicts you see on the streets are not true representatives of Irelands drug culture. Same way the alcoholics begging on the streets don't represent the proffessionals in their 20s and 30s who go out and get blitzed every friday and saturday night.