Server Rules

R0ot

Okay i was just wondering because this came up tonight.

If someone goes into a uncapturable base in bf2 and steals a vehicle (anything heli or whatever) is it a warnable or kickable offense? Im not sure

kirving

Soome call it "baseraping" I call it a very smart tactic, to limit the oppositions resources. Although it isnt very honourable.:rolleyes:

Spear

I wouldn't regard it as baserape, since that usual refers to the killing of other players i.e spawn rape but applied to a larger area, rather than just joyriding in their precious buggy. If no-ones being killed, and no points are being earned, then I can't see how it could qualify.

Zen 2nd

I say if they go directly for the vehicle then it should be fine.

Not if they stand around and kill everyone who spawns.

Ponster

Normally the only people with any business in the red circles are SpecOps and even then his job is to blow up assets and not snipe people who have just spawned.

SeantheMan

Its an excuse for everyone to go over and kill people, and if they get killed say " i was waitin on teh chopper to rob it"

So should probably be kickable offense

Though i do it when playing as USMC on Sharqui Peninsula

Zillah

Oh for Gods sake im an idiot.

Well, my thread is a bit more detailed...

R0ot

Zillah wrote:

Oh for Gods sake im an idiot.

Well, my thread is a bit more detailed...

Don't worry Zillah im sure Kdjac will merge them

Zillah

Yay!

Lucutus

I'd imagine that 'base raping' is allowed? After all, we've played clan matches where we've locked down the nme at an uncappable base at spawns, and the same has happened to us. Very frustratating when it does!

Stealing vehicles is a valid and effective tactic, always has been on the battlefield™.

Having said all that, with BF2, the ranking system is a big part of it, especially/mainly on public servers, if the community here wants to come up with a list of rules, we can easily post them, announce them with timed msgs on the server, and have the server play out that way.

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Wavey

Vehicle stealing from a base should not be an offence.

And I think a Spec op should be allowed pick off a reasonable amount of people as he waits for the assets to be repaired. As long as he is actually blowing up the assets that is, and not just spawn camping.

If i was a spec op in a base I would find it pretty hard not to shoot a guy who just happened to spawn on front of me!

Also, in my opinion anyway, the reason for the M95 is to keep the planes on the ground by picking off pilots as they enter jets. This pisses alot of people off but i thinks its an acceptable tactic. Opinions?

Very enjoyable games on the boards/tig server tonight btw.

Wavey.

Zillah

Lucutus wrote:

I'd imagine that 'base raping' is allowed? After all, we've played clan matches where we've locked down the nme at an uncappable base at spawns, and the same has happened to us. Very frustratating when it does!

Well, a clan match is done for the sake of victory in a league, which is a joy all of its own, the end result in a public server is relatively irrelevant. The main purpose of public servers is moment to moment fun, so comparing to clan matches I think is a little...I cant think of the right word but, "wrong".

Wavey wrote:

Blah blah snip

I'd say that people should be allowed into red circles to blow **** up or try to steal ****, and should kill anyone they meet on the way. Hanging around to wait for vehicles to spawn or wait for equipment to be repaired is verging into pointless annoying territory.

December Son

We nicked vehicles all the time in BFV. In fact, if you niced an opponents M18 or Huey gunship, it wasnt rape, it was something to be proud of!

TheHairyFairy

BFV is and always will be a superior game to BF2. Hell in the jungle anything went

Fairy

December Son

TheHairyFairy wrote:

BFV is and always will be a superior game to BF2. Hell in the jungle anything went

Fairy

i miss punji sticks!

R0ot

Wavey wrote:

Very enjoyable games on the boards/tig server tonight btw.

Aye damn right wavey, was great having you and ptegan in the same squad as myself. That time at the oilfields when we ran into the huge squad with ieMicro and a few others, racked up some amount of kills within a few minutes.

Also me and zillah had a good bit of fun at the start of that map in the heli.

Wavey

Zillah wrote:

Well, a clan match is done for the sake of victory in a league, which is a joy all of its own, the end result in a public server is relatively irrelevant. The main purpose of public servers is moment to moment fun, so comparing to clan matches I think is a little...I cant think of the right word but, "wrong".



I'd say that people should be allowed into red circles to blow **** up or try to steal ****, and should kill anyone they meet on the way. Hanging around to wait for vehicles to spawn or wait for equipment to be repaired is verging into pointless annoying territory.

Well If I was Spec Op and managed to make my was to the US Assets on, say Operation Clean Sweep, I wouldnt make my back to the main island just to avoid "verging into pointless annoying territory"

Wavey.

d22ontour

Sighs at all the possible rules.

How about :
Rule 1 : No deliberate tk's
Rule 2 : That is all.

December Son

d22ontour wrote:

Sighs at all the possible rules.

How about :
Rule 1 : No deliberate tk's
Rule 2 : No arty on red circled.

There, fixed

projectmayhem

don't consider going into enemy base and taking their chopper/tanks/etc. as baserape. it's just good tactics. baserape is taking an enemies vehicle and staying in that base to shoot everyone who spawns

Ponster

R0ot wrote:

Aye damn right wavey, was great having you and ptegan in the same squad as myself.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Wavey was the perfect SL by keeping out of the direct action so we could spawn over and over on him yet sniped away at the same time

Berns

what about deliberate kamikaze's??? Was in heli on carrier & had parked it facin the arty as was only one about & some1 was goin in a heli till our arty so wanted to use tv missile, didnt think of the aa tbh. Kamikaze is bad enough, but on a parked heli, wtf???

Ponster

I can't log onto the server right now but all I see are admins warning people about baseraping.

Does the login information that you see as the map loads actually tell people that they can't baserape? People can't be kicked if not actually warned first even if some people never read that info.

Zillah

Berns wrote:

what about deliberate kamikaze's???

I'd kick if someone was consistently ruining the game with kamikazees. Mind you, how I define "ruining the game" could depend on my mood, but essentially if they're being assholes.

TheHairyFairy

Zillah wrote:

I'd kick if someone was consistently ruining the game with kamikazees. Mind you, how I define "ruining the game" could depend on my mood, but essentially if they're being assholes.

Erm thats a bit worrying. You cant admin a server depending on your mood. If you kick people willy nilly and cite baseraping etc then people will not come back to the server.

I'd like to state that the only reasons for kicking players are :

1. Deliberate repeated teamkilling, ie one teamkill would not mean a kick.
2. Racial slurs or foul language towards another player.
3. Statpadding, again only when its clear.

Honestly guys if you kick players for other things then your gonna have a ****e server. Also no player should be kicked, racial rule the exception, without being warned if not twice then at least once beforehand.

Fairy

Zillah

TheHairyFairy wrote:

Erm thats a bit worrying. You cant admin a server depending on your mood. If you kick people willy nilly and cite baseraping etc then people will not come back to the server.

I was being glib

Honestly guys if you kick players for other things then your gonna have a ****e server. Also no player should be kicked, racial rule the exception, without being warned if not twice then at least once beforehand.

Fairy

I have no intention of kicking people all willy nilly. I've kicked one so far, he hopped into the anti air turret on the carrier and started teamkilling and blowing up all the **** on the deck.

R0ot

Zillah wrote:

he hopped into the anti air turret on the carrier and started teamkilling and blowing up all the **** on the deck.

I remember that dick

GreeBo

I'd prefer to see these rules only applied to un-cappable bases.

I think you should be able to hang around in an enemy base as long as you can, if people keep spawning there and you kill them then they are just thick and should spawn somewhere else and go kill you.

Arty on uncappable bases is kinda crappy, but I guess something that does/could happen in a real situation.

"Stealing" vehicles is fine, if no one is protecting them in a base and you are able to just walk up and take it then thats their problem.

Zillah

GreeBo wrote:

I'd prefer to see these rules only applied to un-cappable bases.

I don't think anyone is proposing otherwise.

GreeBo

Zillah wrote:

I don't think anyone is proposing otherwise.

any mention I have seen of base-raping has not been un-cappable base specific...

Evd-Burner

Anything that can happen in real warfare should be allowed.....

jonski

Evd-Burner wrote:

Anything that can happen in real warfare should be allowed.....

They call tk'ing , friendly fire , in real warfare

EOA_Mushy

Get over it OP go steal their sh*t. Will make you feel much better.

Berns

Dont think ya'd see some rambo runnin in about the enemy base, & whorein about killin everyone in a stolen tank. They'd get the hell outta there with it prob at least

Also , ya still gotta pee in real warfare & sumtimes the medics have white flags & the enemy let them get the wounded etc. Or so i thought :rolleyes: Not too sure about that tbh. Some armys might just kill all like civilians etc :rolleyes:

GreeBo

RopeDrink wrote:

camp Red Circle Spawns (when there are absolutely no other possible spawn locations available) then it get's extremely aggravating and is absolutely no ****ing fun.

I used to think that but then I thought about it somemore.
What this really means is
1) Your team is beating my team
2) Please leave me alone to give me a chance to get some other flags
3) Cant we just be friends for a few minutes?

It's not exactly even remotely realistic now is it.
When you have an enemy backed into a corner you dont let them out to play with them for longer (unless you are a cat)

I think if you have driven someone back to their main base its "fair" to follow them in and try to closeout that round.

SeantheMan

What about if the teams are uneven though ??

I often see idiots joining the winning tema which should be against the rules, also, ive seen people join 1 team, take the chopper (or Blackhawk) on Mashtuur, fly it over the opposite side of the map, switch team and then retake it

This leaves you without anything useful, how gay is that ??
Q : Is autobalance on ??
Q : Can we maybe get rid of Shonghua Stalemate, was on last night and it was MUCK, server was decently poulated until that map came on

GreeBo

SeantheMan wrote:

What about if the teams are uneven though ??

Well I think if that happens then you are kinda fubarred no matter what you do.
Auto Balance should be a must.
Can you have a rule that kicks someone for switching teams if the teams are balanced? (or unbalance but within a certain tolerance)

TheHairyFairy

Yes Auto Balance is on. Songua is an ok map, I think that it was late last night when it came on and people had started to leave before hand.

Also what do the boards.ie population think about the euro forces expansion? Are you going to have those maps added to the rotation at the expense of excluding those that dont have it?

I think the great wall map looks well good as well.

Fairy

Spear

SeantheMan wrote:

What about if the teams are uneven though ??

I often see idiots joining the winning tema which should be against the rules, also, ive seen people join 1 team, take the chopper (or Blackhawk) on Mashtuur, fly it over the opposite side of the map, switch team and then retake it

This leaves you without anything useful, how gay is that ??

That's abusive and disruptive play and under EA's Rules of Engagement a valid reason to kick.

SeantheMan

I think maybe wait a few weeks for everyone to get EuroForces

Im sure they can play on other servers for the time being while the boards.ie builds an even larger community foundation of decent players before it switches over

GreeBo

I for one wont be buying EF so I guess Id better enjoy tig-boards now while I can... <sniff, sniff>:(

SeantheMan

Yeah, i know its not my server n all, or who it belongs to.

But my team was in the middle of destroyin the other team, rackin up the kills, when they changed the map to karkand, solely cause they were losin.

No one asked for it, bit stupid that tbh, map changin cause your team is losing. Put it to a mapvote or something at least

TheHairyFairy

Thats a bit crap. Sorry about that. I'll look into it. If people cant admin with a bit of maturity then maybe we'll have to revert to the tig guys only doing the admining.

Changing the map on a loaded public server is crappy.

Fairy

jonski

SeantheMan wrote:

But my team was in the middle of destroyin the other team, rackin up the kills, when they changed the map to karkand, solely cause they were losin.

Map change in the middle of a round is one sure way to kill off a server . Also as a member of boards you have every right to complain as TiG have provided this server for your use aswell .

R0ot

SeantheMan wrote:

Yeah, i know its not my server n all, or who it belongs to.

But my team was in the middle of destroyin the other team, rackin up the kills, when they changed the map to karkand, solely cause they were losin.

No one asked for it, bit stupid that tbh, map changin cause your team is losing. Put it to a mapvote or something at least

I can't remember this ever happening ive seen the map changed a few times, at the beginning of a round, (within about a minute) And in fairness ive done that at the start of a round also. But changing in the middle of a match is kinda **** cause your just into the swing of the game wether your losing or not. When i start to lose alot i get really anxious to get back into the game and try and win back whatever i can, changing the map would just piss me off. Isn't there a way to disable the !change command? and instead use the !setnext (or equivilent) instead.

TheHairyFairy wrote:

Yes Auto Balance is on. Songua is an ok map, I think that it was late last night when it came on and people had started to leave before hand.

Also what do the boards.ie population think about the euro forces expansion? Are you going to have those maps added to the rotation at the expense of excluding those that dont have it?

I think the great wall map looks well good as well.

Fairy

Also on this note ill definately be buying the EF expansion pack as are a few nrg members, what ive heard of the new maps i definately want to try them. Isn't there going to be a second expansion pack too?

SeantheMan

The 'mapvote' option is disabled i think, which is maybe why they changed it using rcon.
It definitely wasnt put up for a vote, i for one am sick of karkand as its on every 2nd server, so i left the game.

Maybe consider mapvoting on, also not sure if you can mutiny, we had some idiot commander flying planes and could get him off

SeantheMan

jonski wrote:

Map change in the middle of a round is one sure way to kill off a server . Also as a member of boards you have every right to complain as TiG have provided this server for your use aswell .

Nice one thanks :rolleyes:

R0ot

Just reading the Rules of Engagement that EA have for the ranked severs:

3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS

These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers. These rules are decided by clan administrators for those servers and as long as they do not contradict any global rules enforced by EA are considered valid for those servers.

This would include but not limited to:

* § Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited.
* § Prolonged or sustained attacks on main (uncapturable) bases (i.e. spawncamping).
* § Using the Transport Helicopters to take flags (Blackhawk whoring or flag hopping).
* § Impersonating clan members.
* § Using C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles.
* § Clans may change or customise rules, provided they don’t violate the above ROE rules.

LOL i love this one

§2.3 You may not deliberately hinder your own team or acting in such as way as to cause team mates unavoidable deaths or team losses.

* § Commander flying or in a vehicle instead of commanding
* § Destruction of friendly vehicles
* § Excessive team killing
* § Team switching to gain medals or awards

I can't find anything on the commander mutiny but afaik you have to be an equal or higher rank to mutiny against the current commander. Also seeing as most people have the opt out of voting enabled i doubt youll get a successful map change or kick vote on public ranked servers, but you never know

Berns

Some guy asked me other night when i was logged in checkin if everything was alright till change it. Nobody else mentioned if were for or against so said do a mapvote & see what majority wants didnt know it was disabled

AnCapaillMor

* § Using the Transport Helicopters to take flags (Blackhawk whoring or flag hopping).
* § Using C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles.

disagree with those, they're a pain in the whole, but not bannable. the idea of a transport chopper is to go behind enemy lines or to get to a point quicker than a land transport would, will they ban guys driving fast jeeps cpaturing flags next?

C4 on jeep is annoying but don't think it should be banned, never done it myself(welf i put C4 on a jeep and left it there).

Berns

Ya think the palestinians dont do the Kami trucks if they had the chance on the isrealis What about the car bombs in Iraq :rolleyes:
Also, I hate the kamikazie's in jets, but look at pearl harbour
Should maybe have it so only China can kami jets & MEC can do the jeeps with c4 :cool: