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R0ot

Okay i was just wondering because this came up tonight.

If someone goes into a uncapturable base in bf2 and steals a vehicle (anything heli or whatever) is it a warnable or kickable offense? Im not sure

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kirving

Soome call it "baseraping" I call it a very smart tactic, to limit the oppositions resources. Although it isnt very honourable.:rolleyes:

Spear

I wouldn't regard it as baserape, since that usual refers to the killing of other players i.e spawn rape but applied to a larger area, rather than just joyriding in their precious buggy. If no-ones being killed, and no points are being earned, then I can't see how it could qualify.

Zen 2nd

I say if they go directly for the vehicle then it should be fine.

Not if they stand around and kill everyone who spawns.

Ponster

Normally the only people with any business in the red circles are SpecOps and even then his job is to blow up assets and not snipe people who have just spawned.

SeantheMan

Its an excuse for everyone to go over and kill people, and if they get killed say " i was waitin on teh chopper to rob it"

So should probably be kickable offense

Though i do it when playing as USMC on Sharqui Peninsula

Zillah

Oh for Gods sake im an idiot.

Well, my thread is a bit more detailed...

R0ot

Zillah wrote:

Oh for Gods sake im an idiot.

Well, my thread is a bit more detailed...

Don't worry Zillah im sure Kdjac will merge them

Zillah

Yay!

Lucutus

I'd imagine that 'base raping' is allowed? After all, we've played clan matches where we've locked down the nme at an uncappable base at spawns, and the same has happened to us. Very frustratating when it does!

Stealing vehicles is a valid and effective tactic, always has been on the battlefield™.

Having said all that, with BF2, the ranking system is a big part of it, especially/mainly on public servers, if the community here wants to come up with a list of rules, we can easily post them, announce them with timed msgs on the server, and have the server play out that way.

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Wavey

Vehicle stealing from a base should not be an offence.

And I think a Spec op should be allowed pick off a reasonable amount of people as he waits for the assets to be repaired. As long as he is actually blowing up the assets that is, and not just spawn camping.

If i was a spec op in a base I would find it pretty hard not to shoot a guy who just happened to spawn on front of me!

Also, in my opinion anyway, the reason for the M95 is to keep the planes on the ground by picking off pilots as they enter jets. This pisses alot of people off but i thinks its an acceptable tactic. Opinions?

Very enjoyable games on the boards/tig server tonight btw.

Wavey.

Zillah

Lucutus wrote:

I'd imagine that 'base raping' is allowed? After all, we've played clan matches where we've locked down the nme at an uncappable base at spawns, and the same has happened to us. Very frustratating when it does!

Well, a clan match is done for the sake of victory in a league, which is a joy all of its own, the end result in a public server is relatively irrelevant. The main purpose of public servers is moment to moment fun, so comparing to clan matches I think is a little...I cant think of the right word but, "wrong".

Wavey wrote:

Blah blah snip

I'd say that people should be allowed into red circles to blow **** up or try to steal ****, and should kill anyone they meet on the way. Hanging around to wait for vehicles to spawn or wait for equipment to be repaired is verging into pointless annoying territory.

December Son

We nicked vehicles all the time in BFV. In fact, if you niced an opponents M18 or Huey gunship, it wasnt rape, it was something to be proud of!

TheHairyFairy

BFV is and always will be a superior game to BF2. Hell in the jungle anything went

Fairy

December Son

TheHairyFairy wrote:

BFV is and always will be a superior game to BF2. Hell in the jungle anything went

Fairy

i miss punji sticks!

R0ot

Wavey wrote:

Very enjoyable games on the boards/tig server tonight btw.

Aye damn right wavey, was great having you and ptegan in the same squad as myself. That time at the oilfields when we ran into the huge squad with ieMicro and a few others, racked up some amount of kills within a few minutes.

Also me and zillah had a good bit of fun at the start of that map in the heli.

Wavey

Zillah wrote:

Well, a clan match is done for the sake of victory in a league, which is a joy all of its own, the end result in a public server is relatively irrelevant. The main purpose of public servers is moment to moment fun, so comparing to clan matches I think is a little...I cant think of the right word but, "wrong".

I'd say that people should be allowed into red circles to blow **** up or try to steal ****, and should kill anyone they meet on the way. Hanging around to wait for vehicles to spawn or wait for equipment to be repaired is verging into pointless annoying territory.

Well If I was Spec Op and managed to make my was to the US Assets on, say Operation Clean Sweep, I wouldnt make my back to the main island just to avoid "verging into pointless annoying territory"

Wavey.

d22ontour

Sighs at all the possible rules.

How about :
Rule 1 : No deliberate tk's
Rule 2 : That is all.

December Son

d22ontour wrote:

Sighs at all the possible rules.

How about :
Rule 1 : No deliberate tk's
Rule 2 : No arty on red circled.

There, fixed

projectmayhem

don't consider going into enemy base and taking their chopper/tanks/etc. as baserape. it's just good tactics. baserape is taking an enemies vehicle and staying in that base to shoot everyone who spawns

Ponster

R0ot wrote:

Aye damn right wavey, was great having you and ptegan in the same squad as myself.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Wavey was the perfect SL by keeping out of the direct action so we could spawn over and over on him yet sniped away at the same time

Berns

what about deliberate kamikaze's??? Was in heli on carrier & had parked it facin the arty as was only one about & some1 was goin in a heli till our arty so wanted to use tv missile, didnt think of the aa tbh. Kamikaze is bad enough, but on a parked heli, wtf???

Ponster

I can't log onto the server right now but all I see are admins warning people about baseraping.

Does the login information that you see as the map loads actually tell people that they can't baserape? People can't be kicked if not actually warned first even if some people never read that info.

Zillah

Berns wrote:

what about deliberate kamikaze's???

I'd kick if someone was consistently ruining the game with kamikazees. Mind you, how I define "ruining the game" could depend on my mood, but essentially if they're being assholes.

TheHairyFairy

Zillah wrote:

I'd kick if someone was consistently ruining the game with kamikazees. Mind you, how I define "ruining the game" could depend on my mood, but essentially if they're being assholes.

Erm thats a bit worrying. You cant admin a server depending on your mood. If you kick people willy nilly and cite baseraping etc then people will not come back to the server.

I'd like to state that the only reasons for kicking players are :

1. Deliberate repeated teamkilling, ie one teamkill would not mean a kick.
2. Racial slurs or foul language towards another player.
3. Statpadding, again only when its clear.

Honestly guys if you kick players for other things then your gonna have a ****e server. Also no player should be kicked, racial rule the exception, without being warned if not twice then at least once beforehand.

Fairy

Zillah

TheHairyFairy wrote:

Erm thats a bit worrying. You cant admin a server depending on your mood. If you kick people willy nilly and cite baseraping etc then people will not come back to the server.

I was being glib

Honestly guys if you kick players for other things then your gonna have a ****e server. Also no player should be kicked, racial rule the exception, without being warned if not twice then at least once beforehand.

Fairy

I have no intention of kicking people all willy nilly. I've kicked one so far, he hopped into the anti air turret on the carrier and started teamkilling and blowing up all the **** on the deck.

R0ot

Zillah wrote:

he hopped into the anti air turret on the carrier and started teamkilling and blowing up all the **** on the deck.

I remember that dick

GreeBo

I'd prefer to see these rules only applied to un-cappable bases.

I think you should be able to hang around in an enemy base as long as you can, if people keep spawning there and you kill them then they are just thick and should spawn somewhere else and go kill you.

Arty on uncappable bases is kinda crappy, but I guess something that does/could happen in a real situation.

"Stealing" vehicles is fine, if no one is protecting them in a base and you are able to just walk up and take it then thats their problem.

Zillah

GreeBo wrote:

I'd prefer to see these rules only applied to un-cappable bases.

I don't think anyone is proposing otherwise.

GreeBo

Zillah wrote:

I don't think anyone is proposing otherwise.

any mention I have seen of base-raping has not been un-cappable base specific...

Evd-Burner

Anything that can happen in real warfare should be allowed.....