Failing a module

Kevo

Does anyone know if it is possible to proceed to the next year if you have failed a module?

Im in CA and I think Im going to fail topics. Im doing quite well in everything else though. Will this compensate topics?
Thanks!

d@rk l0rd

It depends on how much you failed the module by - eg. if you got say 35% you would probably be compensated. It depends on what the program board of your course decides at the end of the year. Failing a module can result in you not proceeding but doesn't automatically mean you won't proceed a.f.a.i.k.

Winters

You have a second chance at the exam part of the module during the Repeat Exams in August.

If you fail that then you will [i think] have to repeat that module.

And, erm. Topics isint too complex as a subject from what I remember of it. But that was two years ago.

Kevo

They decided to toughen it up this year. Its changed to 100% continuous assessment and its very difficult to get a decent mark in the essays.

frodo_dcu

ok having failed alot of exams in dcu heres the story

if u fail by gettin 34%(could be 30% just can't remember) or lower you can not compinsate if you get between 35% and 39% then u can

to compinsate you must have passed a module by over 70% plus the amount you failed by eg if you get 37% in one module and 73% in another you can pass buy compinsation. You must achive the differance in 1 module alone eg if you get 36% in one and 72% in two moudles this does not count for compinsation u need 74% in one

now if you fail by getting 34% (maybe 29%) and you say its all continuos assesment then you will have talk with the lectuer of that module about arranging a summer project for you to do instead of a repeat exam (some modules offer this as standerd) then presuming you pass ur repeat u will recive a mark of 40% not matter how well you do.

all of this is dependent on the head of your program so be nice to them

my best advise is do the work to pass failing is alot of hassel and you will always regreat it

edit: if this is a semester one module only talk to the lec in charge of it as soon as you get your results and they mite work out a project you can do in sem 2 in lou of a repeat exam

StickyMcGinty

as far as i know, you can get compensated up to a max of 15% in a 5 credit module, 10 in a ten credit module and 5 in a 15 cred module. you dont need to get over 70, you just need to get double what you need to pass... eg. you get 25% in one 5 cred module, you need 30% over the pass mark in another 5 cred module to get compensation. a lot depends on the importence of the subject too ....

Polly19

You may also be lucky and if you fail only one module you can get down on your hands and knees and pleed to be allowed to carry it over into second year,they usually allow that

Suaimhneach

Why arent the guidelines for this set out simply in stone for us?

So many people are unsure.

Amz

Because it's DCU?

d@rk l0rd

I don't think there are any guidelines. Each lecturer and department seem to make up their own rules and often these conflict with the DCU "rules".
I've often been told one thing by a lecturer or program board chair and the exact opposite in the Registry!!

Polly19

When a decision had to be made if I could progress into second year I had to wait for the head of my course to make the decision which then had to be backed up by the head of the science school.

Even when I went to the welfare officer she said that the final decision made by a course head is the decision that is then set in concrete.It just has to be approved by the head of department for formalities

NotMe

Yep it's possible to move onto the next year. In 3rd year I failed a subject, failed the repeat (20 something percent) and still managed to compensate and get into 4th year.:p

Lynibeth

I'm seriously freaking out... I'm shaking. I'm definitely going to fail my exams.. there's no doubt about it.. what's going to happen if I do?

Suaimhneach

You most likely have to repeat. You exams arent for another two weeks. Cram!

rugbug86

Lynibeth wrote:

I'm seriously freaking out... I'm shaking. I'm definitely going to fail my exams.. there's no doubt about it.. what's going to happen if I do?

what course are you doing?

Winters

If you fail your exam then you will have to sit the repeat exam in August, they were about €40 to repeat iirc.

If you fail the repeat exam then you will have to pay and repeat the exam the following year.

CuLT

Yeah, I'm going to fail Probability ( at least, it's highly probable :v: ). But like, fúck it, repeats! \o/

My course is rather dull anyway, so it would want to pick up next semester for me to retain any interest in the area. Otherwise I might reconsider my chosen degree. I feel like I'm doing a fecking maths course.

Kenny_D

CuLT wrote:

My course is rather dull anyway, so it would want to pick up next semester for me to retain any interest in the area. Otherwise I might reconsider my chosen degree. I feel like I'm doing a fecking maths course.

Haha thats exactly how I'm feeling about CASE2 right now as well. And I think I'll be failing one or two exams as well

Edit: Just saw the maths course comment. Didnt come up in the main post but came up in the quote. I was just saying to my friend how its full of useless maths crap and if I wanted to learn maths I'd have done another course

CuLT

Heh, I wonder how that part disappeared from my original post o_O. I remember writing it.

Yeah, I'm doing CAIS2, Stats next semester with that mad woman again; count yourself lucky .

d@rk l0rd

Winters wrote:

If you fail your exam then you will have to sit the repeat exam in August, they were about €40 to repeat iirc.

If you fail the repeat exam then you will have to pay and repeat the exam the following year.

It costs a lot more than €40 to have to repeat an exam. Last year, it cost €157 whether you had to sit just one exam or ten of them. Repeating the exam on its own in the next academic year costs €330 per exam. It's not cheap!!

monroe

Its THAT expensive.....................:eek:


EH.....back to the books me thinks..

Lynibeth

I'm doing chemical and pharmaceutical science.. 1st year.. had a very rough semester though so the exams are going to be very tough.. *sigh*

Suaimhneach

Yeah, I thought that was a load of crap, no matter how many you have to repeat its 157, so if you only do one, it cost that much, but if you do all of them, it costs that much. "Administrative purposes" my arse.

Lynibeth, there are a load of things you can do if it's been a rough semester, like talking to a year head/course lecturer, and asking for advice.

As I said before, there is a lot you can do between now and exam time. If needs be, just study the bare minimum for a pass in each subject tbh. Best of luck.

rugbug86

@ Lynibeth

I failed 1st year common entry so I know how you feel.

Physics - go through past papers, all the questions are the same

Chemistry - concentrate on one area, either inorganic or analytical, but be able to answer short questions from the one you're not concentrating on.

Biology - is a b*tch. lots of learning. look at the sample papers and do out sample answers for all the main parts. Proteins, carbs, lipids etc

you're not looking for spectacular results, just a pass. the closer to 40% you can get your marks, the more likely it is that they will compensate you. CS101 and CS102 are added together to give your final grade for chemistry. Same for BE101, BE102 and PS122, PS123.

Put loads of work in next semester and you should be fine, and even if the worst happens the most repeats you'll have is 3. Next semester is easier for biology, genetics is easy to learn so is microbiology. next semester chemistry is physical and organic - both passable.

and if its been a rough sememster, speak to your course co-ordinator. i think for you its peter kenny.

good luck!

d@rk l0rd

Jesjes wrote:

Yeah, I thought that was a load of crap, no matter how many you have to repeat its 157, so if you only do one, it cost that much, but if you do all of them, it costs that much. "Administrative purposes" my arse.

You think that's bad?? If you appeal a summer result, the exams office closing date for registering to repeat the exam is just before you receive the outcome to your appeal meaning they charge you an extra €50 "late registration fee" to sit the repeat exam!!! Complaining in DCU gets you nowhere.

Polly19

Lynibeth Im doing the same course as you and Im repeating first year.

The course reallt isnt as scary as it looks for physics.Learn all the short questions on past exam papers and sample papers,they are always repeated.For the long questions just get the sample long questions(on the physics site belonging to Enda) and learn the long question about the universal measurements.That usually always comes up if you look at past papers.

Cant give much advice on chemistry or biology as Im repeating them but as rugbug said youneed to do mayor learning off for biology and in chemistry youshould learn one of the sections and then look at past papers and learn off those short questions.

Also look at experiements youve done in biology.All those experiements link back to what is thought in lectures

Lynibeth

ok.. tnx everyone for ur help.. but to be honest ive gone beyond caring now.. I haven't slept in a few days and im just crying constantly.. probably not to do with the exams now..

I'm not going to tlk to neone despite the suggestions I should.. They won't understand..

thanks for all ur help..

bye

Suaimhneach

They don't need to understand how you feel Lynibeth, they need to understand that you are not in the best frame of being to be sitting exams.

It is *always* hard to do exams the first time around in college, trust me, I nearly failed last year because I let the pressure get to me, there is an old thread of me saying nearly the same as you.

Seriously. Go and say it to them. Not only will it make you feel better, they might actually offer you an alternative, or at least, it'll be noted at the exam boards.

There are *always* repeats. Hundreds [probably thousands] sit them every year, in DCU and all Colleges/Unis. It. is. not. the. end. of. the. world. I promise you.

I'll send you a PM as well. Don't stress.

Lynibeth

I don't even know who to contact.. but it doesn't matter, thanks.. It's ok.. I don't think i'll go in.

rugbug86

peter kenny!

talk to him, seriously. its never as bad as it seems. or talk to yvonne in the SU. education@dcusu.ie

d@rk l0rd

Try not to worry - they are only exams and you can repeat as many of them as you need to in August. Hundreds of people have to do repeats, it's not a big deal at all.

You can also talk to the folks in Student Affairs (in the pavillion building behind the canteen - they can provide you with counselling and great advice) and the SU.

Just do as well as you can - take time to read the exam paper properly and start with the question in your strongest area. After a little while, you'll settle into the exam OK. Everyone gets blanks - just put down your pen and don't panic. You just need to pass each one and you can be compensated if you fail some of them.

If you are going through some issues outside of DCU, it is possible to defer sitting your exams until August. If you're allowed to defer, you won't have to pay the repeat fees.
Good luck.

NotMe

Lynibeth wrote:

I don't even know who to contact.. but it doesn't matter, thanks.. It's ok.. I don't think i'll go in.

Hey dont worry about it. It's only your first year semester 1 exams and you can always repeat. I would recommend that you do the exams anyway even if you know you'll fail, just for the experience and to get a grade that you can aim to improve for the repeats.

Last year I knew I was going to fail some exams (did no study until a few days before) so I just did some day before cramming and sat the exams anyway. It's not nice going in and answering just one question and then waiting til you can leave but still I managed to pass most of them... only failed two.

This year (final year) and I've haven't done much study because.. I'm an idiot ... you'd think I would've copped on after last year. So probably another year in college for me.

Anyway failing isn't the end of the world. Just accept it, pass the repeats and be more prepared next time (unlike me )

StupidLikeAFox

If ya have to repeat the year, do ya have to pay the ~€1,000 for each module ya have to repeat?

segadreamcast

If you don't fail, but don't perform adequately, can you *request* a repeat? (Stop laughing - it's a serious question! For...er...a friend...yeah. Let's call him Leon.)

rugbug86

no, as far as i know you cant re do a module you've already passed

edit: changed failed to passed!

segadreamcast

I presume that wasn't aimed at me, er, I mean Leon I asked if you didn't fail and wanted to repeat the exam...

rugbug86

NoelRock wrote:

I presume that wasn't aimed at me, er, I mean Leon I asked if you didn't fail and wanted to repeat the exam...

yeah, sorry!

unless you have extenuating circumstances, you *might* be able to defer it, rendering the other result invalid. but unless its an illness that occured just before/during that exam, it won't work because the forms had to be in before the exams. (obviously you can get a doctor to sign the form and say you were sick on that(those) days - make up an illness if needs be)

i defered 2 exams when i was in first year because i had 2 ear infections and couldn't concentrate. also they were so bad they made me sick. so bad that i puked in the examhall...

if ya need more info on how to defer stuff, pm me.

rugbug86

ColHol wrote:

If ya have to repeat the year, do ya have to pay the ~€1,000 for each module ya have to repeat?

no, you can do it 2 ways:

way one: externally:
just pay a fee and sit exams. no lecture attendence. (but if its a big class, lecturers won't see one extra person...)

way two: internally:
pay fee and then pay for each module you want to attend lectures for. most people only do this for labs or lectures with continuous assessment.

more info here:
http://www.dcu.ie/finance/fees/repeat.shtml

StupidLikeAFox

ah thanks a lot, and one other thing, ya know if ya repeat a year and then want to go into 2nd year, does anyone know if ya have to pay for each year afterwards?

rugbug86

ColHol wrote:

ah thanks a lot, and one other thing, ya know if ya repeat a year and then want to go into 2nd year, does anyone know if ya have to pay for each year afterwards?

i repeated 2 modules in first year and all i had to pay this year was registration fee. the college defers accepting your payment from the government (free fees deal) so they nothing really changes in that respect.

StupidLikeAFox

rugbug, where would i be without ya?

rugbug86

ColHol wrote:

rugbug, where would i be without ya?

running around the registry like a headless chicken... or stuck in the doors at AIB.

Seriously tho, any more questions just give me a shout, and happy studying!

NotMe

If you fail a final year exam you're screwed right? Cos if you have to repeat in August you can only get a pass degree. So the only other option is to drop out and repeat the entire year . Is that right?:v:

thewools

NotMe wrote:

If you fail a final year exam you're screwed right? Cos if you have to repeat in August you can only get a pass degree. So the only other option is to drop out and repeat the entire year . Is that right?:v:

eh know....however it depends on the degree!

Generally in final year; modules are grouped in fours / three etc (eg. 4 groups of 5 credit modules = 20 credits) and an average grade is taken so if you fail one and do grand in the others =>

d@rk l0rd

NotMe wrote:

If you fail a final year exam you're screwed right? Cos if you have to repeat in August you can only get a pass degree. So the only other option is to drop out and repeat the entire year . Is that right?:v:

Hmmm, haven't heard that one - as far as I know failing a final exam doesn't prevent you from honours classification. Then again, it's DCU so anything's possible!!

28064212

NotMe wrote:

If you fail a final year exam you're screwed right? Cos if you have to repeat in August you can only get a pass degree. So the only other option is to drop out and repeat the entire year . Is that right?:v:

It's true in Computer Applications anyway. If you score below 40 in any module, highest you can get is a pass degree. Even if you get compensated and don't have to repeat. Not sure if you can even just repeat the whole year to get a better mark

NotMe

28064212 wrote:

Not sure if you can even just repeat the whole year to get a better mark

hehe what repeat the whole degree then?:(

Polly19

Lilbeth if your still stuck on contacting someone

Contact Kevin at the counceilling service.I have alotg of friends who were as depressed about exams and their suitations as you are and they went to him and they said it was the best decision they ever made as he helped them alot

snickerpuss

i think i just failed a module in multimedia but its 100% continuous assessment with no exams, i dunno what happens now though cause i cant repeat the "exam" cause there wasnt one.

rugbug86

you repeat the assessments. some lecturers might let you carry it through, others will make you repeat the year.