I hate Ireland!!!

Somnus

Like most people said, you can have problems wherever you live. I myself love Ireland and wouldnt really want to live anywhere else.

LegacyUser

I left Ireland. Have worked in many different countries over the last 20 years - England, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium. If I can help it, I will never, ever work / live in Ireland again. A stupid, small-minded country ; griping for as much money as possible. And, wait until all those American multi-nationals pull out ... I wonder what the relationship is going to be like between the nayive Oirish and the Foreigners ('the Polish plumbers', so to speak) when that happens ; who gets the jobs then ??? REMEMBER the 80s !!!!! - and, 'Add the half-pence to the pence and prayer to shivering prayer'. WE WERE NOT WANTED BACK THEN !!!!! Only the cute-hoors got the jobs. And today 'the powers that be' are building an even more selfish economy - NOT A SOCIETY, NOT A COMMUNITY ... Look at the levels of crime ... Bah ! Enough said !

Dagon

All I can say to you is... hang in there, college life will change your whole perception of Ireland

I had a hellish time when I was 15, in fact I was contemplating that my whole life would be like this, and that things weren't going to get better.

Now I look back, and I realise it was a learning experience. My life was a living hell back then in many ways. At the time I didn't see it as a learning experience. When I look back, I also see that I really didn't fit in with my class at all. It was a small town, and there weren't many people who I clicked with at all. I suffered through it.. and then went to..

..College! Now this really opened my eyes, and I ended up seeing how unimportant all that snobbish bull**** behaviour that goes on in school is. So hang in there, there is no quick solution. But college may help you to realise what a great country this is, and it may open your eyes to all the positive aspects (school seemed to open my eyes up to all the really negative and totally **** aspects of Ireland too, it's like a magnifying glass on all the bad depressing things).

dundalk cailin

PlayaFlow wrote:

I am currently studying in germna

me too, but France, Erasmus?

OP i used to feel my life was so boring, and life was passing me by, and my friends had it a lot better UNTIL i came over here. ive seen how lucky i am at home, the friends i have that i thought wouldnt even miss me, my family etc.

as someone else think it was panda100 said, i was so jealous of my best friend for a while back, then one night she got pissed and told me how she envied me, and was so proud of me havin the courage to study abroad (its tough i can assure u, but i can already see teh benefits) and how i was so independent that could do things on my own no problem..

also startin college made me a lot more happier and confident as a person (nothin to do with the fact i went to all girls school, and there were lotsa males at coll )

i think ireland has its problems, as does every country, but im proud to say im irish (to every french person that calls me english ) it does sound to me like self esteem problems, i went through the same as you at a similar age. but i focused on my good points, i began working as a waitress at 16, which helped my confidence, i made better friends (im not saying that your friends arent right for u, but me, the girls i hung round with were bitches tbh), people meeting me now that i went to school with cant believe how much ive changed as a person.

So chin up, look at the positives and i wish you luck and happiness,

DC

jonny68

half_life_man wrote:

I wish I could move to another country, i am only 15 and I was born and raised in Ireland. Does anyone else hate this country? I don't have a lot of friends here and I hate my school. I wish I could move to America or Australia, I HATE MY LIFE HERE!!!!!

grow up :rolleyes:

Gone West

Seriously. hang in there dude.

SpAcEd OuT

half_life_man wrote:

Does anyone else hate this country? I don't have a lot of friends here

Take a look at yourself mate, maybe the reason you dont have many friends is not because Ireland is **** but because of the way you act around other people, I grew up in Ireland all my life, went to school and had a great time, made loads of mates that I still keep in touch with today I quess you have to stop blaming the country and start trying to improve on your outlook on life and social skills.

Stompbox

FuzzyLogic wrote:

they suck.
Ive been all over Europe, mexico, south america, USA, canada.
Ireland is the nicest country I've ever been to.

I agree.I absolutely love Ireland.

dundalk cailin

me too!!!

SexeeAussie

FuzzyLogic wrote:

they suck.
Ive been all over Europe, mexico, south america, USA, canada.
Ireland is the nicest country I've ever been to.

And you have been to Australia then ????

Anyway, I don't think the point is whether other countries 'suck' I think that the OP is having problems with his own confidence and esteem issues.

OP, moving to another country will probably NOT help your problems at all, but never give up hope of travelling the wide world! I think being 15 is a difficult age....and time in your life, things will improve!

Sangre

Your problems are nothing to do with Ireland. They're to do with your confidence, self-esteem and social abilities.
The sooner you accept these won't go away by moving the sooner you can start addressing the problems.

Omnipresence

Have t6 agree with original poster... im much older but hate this bloody country....

Biggest issue for me is the fact that I don't drink ... I would love to live somewhere like Australia for example where there is much more of an outlet with the weather etc... to do more alternative sports

I hate GAA Soccer Rugby etc... but am very into Mountainbiking, sking/sailing/wakeboarding but only get to do that down home in kerry for a couple of weeks in summer for the rest of the year im stuck in Dublin where the cost of doing some of that stuff is just prohibitive... Sailing is a millionares passtime in this city

Infrastructure etc... what a disaster.. I have no problem paying tax, id even pay more... but I would like something in return... today we get nothing...

Look at the state of broad band in this country...

Could go on and on about it

But this is where my friends and family are and I guess thats more important... but still ... things could be sooooo much better here and its defo not a place if your a non-drinker... there is no other support for people who like to do other stuff..

-A

Sangre

Hahaaa.. the Australians are even bigger drunks than us.
Try California!

SexeeAussie

What, and Californians don't drink???

solas

You got to remember everyone takes there own country for granted and you really fail to see the really good things about the place you live in.

true, a lot of people take a gap year or spend some time abroad and come back with a whole lot more appreciation for home. It worked for me and I have no desire to live anywhere else, although I do get itchy feet from time to time, I wouldn't wander any further than Donegal. (can't though cause family firmly rooted now)

A friend of mine was in a similar situation a few years back and I talked him into living away for a while so he headed off to sydney for the olympics. Certainly did a lot for his confidence and his attitude in many areas, was a new man 12 months later.

Sangre

SexeeAussie wrote:

What, and Californians don't drink???

Not compared to Ireland or Australia.

Omnipresence

Yeah i lived in the states for a while ... lived out in the west... really liked the healthy living aspect... pity theres so many americans there though

;-)

Sangre

The only real thing I'd miss from Ireland is the people.

jester77

There are a lot of things I don't like about Ireland, I left & couldn't be happier. You are only 16 however, and probably living at home being supported by your parents. Wait until your 17 and move to college and get some independence and meet new people. If you still don't like Ireland there will be plenty of opportunity to move abroad through either college or when you graduate. Keep your chin up, it's just a year or 2 till then... things will look alot different!

BeardyGit

You know what....I just can't agree with the sentiment that Ireland is a dump. We've a lot of problems admittedly. But I just can't understand how anyone can turn around and say they can't wait to leave.....

This little country of ours has been through an awful lot in the past 80 years, never mind what's come before that. We're still growing and have lots of lessons to learn over the next 50 years, just the same as many other nations have done in the past.

Any of you who are old enough to remember growing up as a kid here in the late 70's or early 80's should know better. Your parents, uncles, aunts and grandparents had to work their arses off to get anywhere during that time. What did we get in return? Economic prosperity on the back of foreign investment and their penny pinching. Yeah, Haughey was a crook. Yeah, every goverment we've had has had to pay the political price for some bloody dissatisfaction from the electorate at one time or another. But that doesn't for one minute give any of you the right to piss and moan about how crap this country is. If you're younger than that I'd suggest you educate yourselves by speaking to your elders to hear what it was like trying to find work, to raise a family, to keep yourself warm in this smoggy, filthy city of Dublin in the 80's. At a time when your father would sit and weep coming up to christmas because the government of the time had taken 62p in every punt as tax, when he was trying to save to bring his son for a heart operation that couldn't even be done here, when the house his sick child lived in had no central heating and he cycled his bicycle 12 miles to work in the winter at night. Have some respect. You should be ashamed to moan about what this country is like.

You've no idea. I'll bet you're the very same people who sit in the pub, whining about how you get nothing for your taxes and how your local councillor took bribes or wouldn't fix the footpaths in your area. I'll bet you're the very same people who couldn't be arsed getting out of your bed to go to the polling station to have your voice heard. You're all apathetic losers, content to whine your way to the airport for a one way trip out of here. I'll bet you're the very same people who as soon as you touch down abroad will don the green jersey and tell everyone how much better the pint is at home.

I love this country. I love it for the opportunities it's given me. I love it for the people. I even love it at times for its flaws. You know why? Because it pisses off weak and selfish people like you who will run instead of staying here and fighting for what's rightfully yours. The sooner you're all gone, the sooner the rest of us can get down to business with the Polish, Latvian, German, Chinese and god knows how many other people who want to work hard for real results, who want to succeed and most importantly of all, the type of people I'd be proud to stand beside as we look at the good we've been able to achieve together through hassling our politicians, through running for local government, through picketing and protest if need be. I don't care for anyone who ****s on their own doorstep and then blames their neighbour. It's offensive to those of us who have a sense of duty, to ourselves and our children - Those of us who know where we've come from. Those of us who know just what we can achieve if we stay for the fight. We'd be nowhere if the Irish spirity hadn't helped us hold our heads up and fight our way out of our corner. Out with the rest of ye. Good riddance. You're no good to us anyway if that's the way you feel.

If you want to leave Ireland for other reasons - Well and good. But I'll not sit here and listen to idle moaning bastards who hate Ireland just because of the wrongs they believe they face. Be a good ambassador like hundreds of thousands before - But don't knock where you've come from. If you're prepared to do that, you show no respect and deserve none in return.

Gil

Laguna

Gil_Dub wrote:

You know what....I just can't agree with the sentiment that Ireland is a dump. We've a lot of problems admittedly. But I just can't understand how anyone can turn around and say they can't wait to leave.....

This little country of ours has been through an awful lot in the past 80 years, never mind what's come before that. We're still growing and have lots of lessons to learn over the next 50 years, just the same as many other nations have done in the past.

Any of you who are old enough to remember growing up as a kid here in the late 70's or early 80's should know better. Your parents, uncles, aunts and grandparents had to work their arses off to get anywhere during that time. What did we get in return? Economic prosperity on the back of foreign investment and their penny pinching. Yeah, Haughey was a crook. Yeah, every goverment we've had has had to pay the political price for some bloody dissatisfaction from the electorate at one time or another. But that doesn't for one minute give any of you the right to piss and moan about how crap this country is. If you're younger than that I'd suggest you educate yourselves by speaking to your elders to hear what it was like trying to find work, to raise a family, to keep yourself warm in this smoggy, filthy city of Dublin in the 80's. At a time when your father would sit and weep coming up to christmas because the government of the time had taken 62p in every punt as tax, when he was trying to save to bring his son for a heart operation that couldn't even be done here, when the house his sick child lived in had no central heating and he cycled his bicycle 12 miles to work in the winter at night. Have some respect. You should be ashamed to moan about what this country is like.

You've no idea. I'll bet you're the very same people who sit in the pub, whining about how you get nothing for your taxes and how your local councillor took bribes or wouldn't fix the footpaths in your area. I'll bet you're the very same people who couldn't be arsed getting out of your bed to go to the polling station to have your voice heard. You're all apathetic losers, content to whine your way to the airport for a one way trip out of here. I'll bet you're the very same people who as soon as you touch down abroad will don the green jersey and tell everyone how much better the pint is at home.

I love this country. I love it for the opportunities it's given me. I love it for the people. I even love it at times for its flaws. You know why? Because it pisses off weak and selfish people like you who will run instead of staying here and fighting for what's rightfully yours. The sooner you're all gone, the sooner the rest of us can get down to business with the Polish, Latvian, German, Chinese and god knows how many other people who want to work hard for real results, who want to succeed and most importantly of all, the type of people I'd be proud to stand beside as we look at the good we've been able to achieve together through hassling our politicians, through running for local government, through picketing and protest if need be. I don't care for anyone who ****s on their own doorstep and then blames their neighbour. It's offensive to those of us who have a sense of duty, to ourselves and our children - Those of us who know where we've come from. Those of us who know just what we can achieve if we stay for the fight. We'd be nowhere if the Irish spirity hadn't helped us hold our heads up and fight our way out of our corner. Out with the rest of ye. Good riddance. You're no good to us anyway if that's the way you feel.

Gil

Here's your major problem with your rant, you're assuming that the people complaining are layabout/do nothing dole spongers who sit in the pub and whine that ther local councillor doesn't fix our roads. Well, I for one am not one of these people and I'd be willing to wager other people who voice discontent are the same as me. Ireland is flawed; like any other country, to think it is perfect and not be prepared to recognise it has a lot of shortcomings that grate on people, for example the state of broadband in this country (a major bone of contention for many people in Ireland), the state of the roads, little or no infrastructure, public money being poured into Dublin in an unbalanced way in comparison to the rest of the country... all are valid complaints, yet some people blindly love their country so much (a nice idea in theory) and label anyone who voices discontent as unpatriotic or tells them to **** off... that isn't the basis of a democratic discussion.

lazydaisy

There are great things about Ireland, mental health is not one of them. It has one of the highest rates of depression and suicide in Europe, perhaps even the west. So it may not be all in the eye of the OP.

OP- You seem to be in a lot of pain, alienation and lonliness. 15 is a difficult age. Frienship is the bi-product of doing things. Find something you like to do, start doing it and you will meet people.

You have only a couple of years to go until you have independence and it will go fast. Make sure you get your education. Value yourself enough to do that. It will stand to you.

Gil-Dub-
Save your political rant for the politics forum. The OP is depressed and doesnt need a lecture on voting. He is 15. He cant vote. He is entitled to hate the country if he wants to. You are not entitled to launch abuse at him. You love the country because it pisses off enough people to immigrate. Weak people. Well my mother had to leave becasue she got pregnant out of wedlock and my father had to leave because he was poor. There are millions of others who had to leave for similar reasons. And you love the country for this? There are no words to describe what I would like to say to you. You and your fantasies about Irish spirit getting you out of corners. It was EU and American money!

Rozie

Try moving to Cork. Much better. The only place in Ireland that has any sense of art and culture that's not "The art of GAA" and Culchy-ism.

Laguna

lazydaisy wrote:

It was EU and American money!

There it is, the moneyshot. My father and my mothers parents had to leave this country, my father in the mid seventies, my grandparents in the fifties, this country had no provision for them, it was basically leave Ireland and get a career or stay and go mentally ill.

This newfound arrogance of the Irish that stayed behind is overwhelming, they don't seem to like the fact that it was the EU and the US who brought this country out of the stone age in recent times.. where would Irish farmers be without EU subsidies, grants for having sheep in a field, grants for leaving a field empty... where would many of the young professionals working in Dublin be without foreign companies such as Dell, Microsoft etc. be if they decided to never come here and invest in this country?. The money came to Ireland, people like my father and grandparents and millions of others who went to the UK/US/Australia to create a career for themselves sending millions upon millions of pounds/dollars back to this country. What thanks did my father get when he and our family decided to relocate back to Ireland, none, he was classed a blow in, not even regarded as Irish anymore as (and I quote) he was "So long in England, he wasn't Irish anymore".

What did any Irish government do for you?, spend the bulk of their budgets on 'consultancy' fees so nothing actually gets done (the consultants ususally being sons/nephews of people in the Dail), what did the Irish Government do when all the terrible goings on by the Catholic priests and nuns happened, turned a blind eye, in light of the ferns report what did they do?, offer no apology.

Granted, Ireland is a much better place now than it ever was, but to think for a minute it wasn't because of foreign investment, EU grants and people sending money back is just foolish.

funk-you

Laguna wrote:

There it is, the moneyshot. My father and my mothers parents had to leave this country, my father in the mid seventies, my grandparents in the fifties, this country had no provision for them, it was basically leave Ireland and get a career or stay and go mentally ill.

This newfound arrogance of the Irish that stayed behind is overwhelming, they don't seem to like the fact that it was the EU and the US who brought this country out of the stone age in recent times.. where would Irish farmers be without EU subsidies, grants for having sheep in a field, grants for leaving a field empty... where would many of the young professionals working in Dublin be without foreign companies such as Dell, Microsoft etc. be if they decided to never come here and invest in this country?. The money came to Ireland, people like my father and grandparents and millions of others who went to the UK/US/Australia to create a career for themselves sending millions upon millions of pounds/dollars back to this country. What thanks did my father get when he and our family decided to relocate back to Ireland, none, he was classed a blow in, not even regarded as Irish anymore as (and I quote) he was "So long in England, he wasn't Irish anymore".

What did any Irish government do for you?, spend the bulk of their budgets on 'consultancy' fees so nothing actually gets done (the consultants ususally being sons/nephews of people in the Dail), what did the Irish Government do when all the terrible goings on by the Catholic priests and nuns happened, turned a blind eye, in light of the ferns report what did they do?, offer no apology.

Granted, Ireland is a much better place now than it ever was, but to think for a minute it wasn't because of foreign investment, EU grants and people sending money back is just foolish.

I'm not trying to be a troll or start flaming here but i see a whole load of words but nothing is being said other than boo hoo. If you want to whine at least make an effort everyday to try and change things.
there is nowhere in the world you can go to escape flaws in society or democracy(which - come on, in any way you look at it is a state of mind not a way of life) as you put it. being hostile towards the world isn't going to change it, your actions can do that. You see these flaws clearly and seem to know what may change it so go do it. there is nothing you cannot do, believe me. It is never someone or something elses fault, only our own.

I dont want the above to sound like i'm attacking you at all btw i'm not.

Laguna

funk-you wrote:

I'm not trying to be a troll or start flaming here but i see a whole load of words but nothing is being said other than boo hoo.

Where'd you pick up the boo hoo attitude?, I'm pointing out what I believe, where do I ask for pity?. Boo hoo?

funk-you wrote:

there is nowhere in the world you can go to escape flaws in society or democracy(which - come on, in any way you look at it is a state of mind not a way of life) as you put it.

I don't deny this, every country has flaws, Britain for example has an extremely right wing Government that doesn't listen to the wants of its people (i.e. Iraq war and involvement), a million people took to the streets of London before the Iraq invasion to express their feelings that an invasion was wrong and wanted no part of it, Tony decided to do it anyway.. John Howard, the Prime Minister of Australia is just as right wing, yet he had the nerve to come out and pretend to condemn the racist attacks in Sydney recently, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who was sending around the text messages intercepted by Sydney Police inciting more violence this weekend.

EVERY country has flaws, but whenever you voice dissatisfaction on Boards about an Irish issue, you're labelled a moaner, unpatriotic, a racist etc. You can back your claims to the hilt, provide statistics, quotes and even be talking about something that is widely known and accepted as flawed, but you get shot down as a moaner, unpatriotic, a racist..


To the OP, in your specific case I firmly agree with what SexeeAussie said, so I won't put my spin on it, I'll just quote it

SexeeAussie wrote:

Anyway, I don't think the point is whether other countries 'suck' I think that the OP is having problems with his own confidence and esteem issues.

OP, moving to another country will probably NOT help your problems at all, but never give up hope of travelling the wide world! I think being 15 is a difficult age....and time in your life, things will improve!

SexeeAussie

Laguna wrote:

John Howard, the Prime Minister of Australia is just as right wing, yet he had the nerve to come out and pretend to condemn the racist attacks in Sydney recently, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who was sending around the text messages intercepted by Sydney Police inciting more violence this weekend.



To the OP, in your specific case I firmly agree with what SexeeAussie said, so I won't put my spin on it, I'll just quote it

Laguna, thanks for the support there...there are a few previous posts that really pissed me off and are sooo damn ignorant and closeminded. I had a laugh at your comments on old Johnny Howard though, good one!!!

I still back up what I said.....the OP isn't probably interested or could give a bollocks to the state of Irish politics or what not...he made a throw away line about wanting to leave the country...it wasn't an insult to all of you that love your country, he is just feeling trapped and enveloped by his negative feelings about life in general.

lazydaisy

Sometimes it is someones elses fault if its the blame game you want to play, so Irish, so when in Rome.... Just ask Wilde, Joyce, Beckett, and the diaspora, just ask refugees and immigrants whe left their countries at times when travel wasnt so easy.

Ireland is an alienating and lonely, superficial and sometimes cruel. It is also a culture in which put downs and slagging are a sign of affection. My god, if you love me don't love me!!! If that's how you're going to do it. Everyone is afraid of a big head, and shame is pervasive. People embarrass easily and can be very judgemental, so attaining healthy self esteem is really hard in this type of culture, where you get little or no affirmation.

Laguna, I agree so entirely with your perceptions of the dish it out but cant take it Irish on cultural/political observations. We should talk. I read some of your posts on another thread in PI,and I can really relate. And I entirely agree about the relationship between Ireland and the diaspora. You cant say that though or you'll get pints thrown at you. I would start a thread in politics about it but Im banned until next week for calling someone obnoxious after they called me stupid and said they were glad they were educated in Ireland and not in America.

Anyway OP -Im sorry your thread has been hijacked a little. Believe me you wont always feel like this. You will come to a time when you will have choices and you can decide when where and how you want to live. Its sooner than it feels. Hang in there!!!

dudara

Wow, this thread definitely meandered off in it's own direction overnight, so back on topic guys.

OP, your problem does not lie with living in Ireland, but in the fact that you're a teenager, and as such, you're going through growing pains. At the moment, you're trying to become your own person and find your own way, and that will happen no matter where you live.

If you're envious of your best friend's perceived success, then examine him and see what he does well. See if you can learn from that. But also, find your own style. It takes a while, I'd personally say that I didn't become the person I am until I hit about 19 or 2nd-3rd year in college, and nearly 10 years later, I'm still changing.

Just have the confidence to find your own way

Hagar

Look you're only 15 so your not really in a position to emigrate anywhere unless you want to end up sleeping on the streets of London or somewhere else.

If you really really hate Ireland and your life here take stock of what you want to do and plan the best way to go about it. No foreign country is actively encouraging un-skilled immigration. Get yourself an education and or a skill/trade first. This will do two things for, give you some time to mature and reflect on what you want to do and secondly make you more marketable in your chosen destination. In the long run if you decide not to emmigrate you will have prepared yourself for life where ever you may lead it.

As I said in my earlier post I wish I had emmigrated sooner but I didn't just pack my bags. I spent about 3 years researching my chosen destination and business. I visited the place for several weeks at a time and prepared myself by learning the basics of the language. Even with all that It wasn't easy but I would do it again.

Maybe its all teenage angst at the moment but at least if you start planning a move and weighing up all the pros and cons you are giving yourself a goal to work towards. That is something a lot of people your age don't have and because they lack direction they sometimes feel life is against them.



BTW my earlier post about Latvians was flippant and I should not have posted it. Sorry.