Dublin Bus on strike today (9/12/2005)

Trampas

Buses will be going on strike today from 1pm. They are marching in town.

RobEire

Trampas wrote:

Buses will be going on strike today from 1pm. They are marching in town.

Good for them!

Hope they are back on board before rush hour...

Nala

****ing ****. Have been looking forward to going to the cinema all week and now i cant cos of them.

Gazza22

Dublin Bus are expected to resume service at the latest 4pm today

Mimikyu

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BrianD

Solitaryman666 wrote:

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perhaps you should take it upon yourself to be informed about national events. This is has been on the cards for almost 2 weeks now!

Mimikyu

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angeldelight

I had to go into college this morning to drop something in and I was curious about the bus situation so I rang Dublin Bus. Apparently only a fraction were going to the protest and the others were going to be covered... but they knew they were going to have problems getting buses into and out of town, so they couldn't guarantee anything after 11

PandaMania

The real reason for this march apart from trying to give the Labour Party a purpose, is really just union skanger xenophobia and barely hidden bigotry among SIPTU members and Labour Party 'creepin jesus' types. Think back to the taxi drivers claiming, they were "protecting the quality taxi service in Dublin" a few years back and you'll soon realise that this whole Irish Ferries bull**** is just a smokescreen for keeping another vested interest SIPTU, in a position of power they should not have. One of the best laughs I had this year was a comment from the SIPTU rep coming out of the Department of Trasnsport saying "the talks were good, free from any ideology".

They do not care one iota about the rights of Eastern Euopean workers, they simply do not want to share canteen space with them and are using this empathy to keep the SIPTU canteens filled with blokes wearing Celtic jerseys who are all "daycent skins" like themselves. Also eastern europeans can do something which the average SIPTU person can't. Actually be good at their jobs.

You have to remember that until VERY recently semi-state welfare agencies for the otherwise unemployable such as An Post and CIE were simply just providers of employment for familes across several generations. CIE used to have a space on their form for listing which family member you have already employed in CIE just to apply for a job there. This is why the train drivers at IE are all closely genetically linked. It is like the movie Deliverence without the bajos.

So anyway, these hysterical job-for-lifers are marching because they want to keep their little semi state scam going and hard working foreingers disgust them and show them up for the dossers many of them are. They don't care about immigrants in the private sector. But in the semi-states, "no why Jose, me oul China". This is what this is all about. The Chinese can work at Supermacs, but not driving DARTs.

If anybody was to vote for Labour in the next election under the guise that Labour care about ordinary people and therefore public transport, would be off their rockers. Labour only view public transport as a job creation and retention mechanism for SIPTU members and any public transport benefit which comes out of this cushy vested interest arrangement is purely a a side beneifit.

Here is Labour's next election manfesto.

Image of Pat Rabbite looking even more huffy, but holding up his hands to show his stigmata.

VOTE LABOUR FOR THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ENDLESS STRIKES, 17% UNEMPLOYMENT and 55% TAXATION FOR PAYE WORKERS - UP THE WORKERS (well the semi-state ones, the rest of you can go **** yourselves).


This strike today was an absolute circus and in no way effected the managers of Irish Ferries, just thousands of poor bastards in the private sector trying to make a living. Worker solidarity me arse.

murphaph

PandaMania wrote:

VOTE LABOUR FOR THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ENDLESS STRIKES, 17% UNEMPLOYMENT and 55% TAXATION FOR PAYE WORKERS - UP THE WORKERS (well the semi-state ones, the rest of you can go **** yourselves)

Wrong Thomas! The rest of us can go work our b0llixes off to generate enough tax revenue to pay the wages for these guys. Your post was spot on-these semi-state employees who benefit from guaranteed 'partnership' pay increases can happily go on protests because there is no possibility of their already loss-making (I don't have a problem with this per-se) employers upping sticks and fcuking off to China because they work for the government essentially. I wonder how many private sector employees will have downed tools for today's protest????

'Partnership' is a load of cock as far as I'm concerned and only spineless governments engage in it as it does not benefit the population at large, only those fortunate enough to work for one of the big jobs providers, I mean semi-states. The government use it because if a semi-state like CIE go out on strike the government get it at the polls, whereas if a private company treats it's staff like sh!t, who cares? The employees can strike all they want and it won't effect the next general election-that's all this sh!t boils down to.

shltter

PandaMania wrote:

The real reason for this march apart from trying to give the Labour Party a purpose, is really just union skanger xenophobia and barely hidden bigotry among SIPTU members and Labour Party 'creepin jesus' types. Think back to the taxi drivers claiming, they were "protecting the quality taxi service in Dublin" a few years back and you'll soon realise that this whole Irish Ferries bull**** is just a smokescreen for keeping another vested interest SIPTU, in a position of power they should not have. One of the best laughs I had this year was a comment from the SIPTU rep coming out of the Department of Trasnsport saying "the talks were good, free from any ideology".

They do not care one iota about the rights of Eastern Euopean workers, they simply do not want to share canteen space with them and are using this empathy to keep the SIPTU canteens filled with blokes wearing Celtic jerseys who are all "daycent skins" like themselves. Also eastern europeans can do something which the average SIPTU person can't. Actually be good at their jobs.

You have to remember that until VERY recently semi-state welfare agencies for the otherwise unemployable such as An Post and CIE were simply just providers of employment for familes across several generations. CIE used to have a space on their form for listing which family member you have already employed in CIE just to apply for a job there. This is why the train drivers at IE are all closely genetically linked. It is like the movie Deliverence without the bajos.

So anyway, these hysterical job-for-lifers are marching because they want to keep their little semi state scam going and hard working foreingers disgust them and show them up for the dossers many of them are. They don't care about immigrants in the private sector. But in the semi-states, "no why Jose, me oul China". This is what this is all about. The Chinese can work at Supermacs, but not driving DARTs.

If anybody was to vote for Labour in the next election under the guise that Labour care about ordinary people and therefore public transport, would be off their rockers. Labour only view public transport as a job creation and retention mechanism for SIPTU members and any public transport benefit which comes out of this cushy vested interest arrangement is purely a a side beneifit.

Here is Labour's next election manfesto.

Image of Pat Rabbite looking even more huffy, but holding up his hands to show his stigmata.

VOTE LABOUR FOR THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF ENDLESS STRIKES, 17% UNEMPLOYMENT and 55% TAXATION FOR PAYE WORKERS - UP THE WORKERS (well the semi-state ones, the rest of you can go **** yourselves).


This strike today was an absolute circus and in no way effected the managers of Irish Ferries, just thousands of poor bastards in the private sector trying to make a living. Worker solidarity me arse.

You have no idea what you are talking about I was on the march today as were my colleagues from Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, Western and central Europe and America and we all Happily share the same canteen everyday.
The march was about securing equality for all workers and not allowing greedy bastards like Irish Ferries exploit people from anywhere in the world.

And you are so off the mark on the Labour Party because in the view of most of the people I know who were at the march today the Labour Party are useless they have been near silent on this issue.
They have alligned themselves with one of the most conservative parties in the country and nobody would put any faith in the Labour Party to look after workers interests if they were in power considering they failed completely when they were power before.

And Perhaps because you were not there you did not realise that that an awful lot of the workers on the march were from the private sector

Slippin Jimmy

Nala wrote:

****ing ****. Have been looking forward to going to the cinema all week and now i cant cos of them.

So if they are what you say, why do you use the buses if you are not happy with them. You are more or less saying that they do not have the right to protest over the Irish Ferries dispute, all they are trying to do is help their collegues. If you worked for Irish Ferries then you would be happy of all the support you got. Why can't you go because of them, can you not get a taxi?
Would you ever go and get a life and complain about something worth while:eek: .

gjim

You are more or less saying that they do not have the right to protest over the Irish Ferries dispute

No one is saying that. But if you want to protest/do some gardening/play football/etc., why not do it on your own time? National day of dossing more like. If it was on today, I wonder how many would give up their time for the protest. A delegation went from where I work (nothing to do with me - I'm not a union member) and I could hear two of the delegation planning a bit of shopping while they were in town.

PandaMania

The thing is that SIPTU is very much a middle class thing. In the Ballymun flats when I was a kid, I knew nobody who was in an trade union or worked in the semi-states.

All these so called opressed union men were all living in middle class private estates in Old Ballymun (sorry I mean "East Glasnevin!!!") Raheny, Santry and Drumcondra and looked down their noses at people in the Ballymun flats like we were vermin. There was no empathy and solidarity for us or semi-state jobs when we left school, they were reseved for the sons of CIE unions in these comfortable middle class neighbourhoods.

I can remember being a young kid getting on the old No 36 bus one day to Shangan Ave and the bus driver opening the door looking out at the people waiting to go to Ballymun and saying to the conductor. "Look at these ****ing animals, the state of them". Mind you, they had no problem taking our bus fare and not issuing a ticket and spending their "perks" at the CIE social club bar that night. This is the real reason why the conductor system on the buses and wagon load freight on the railways was stopped. There was wholesale mass "finger-in-the-till" going on within CIE union staff. These days they pilfer the taxes of the private sector, but the same "I'm alright jack!" mindset remains among the CIE employees in there late 40 and 50's and these very much represent the hardcore elements within CIE (and all semi-states for that matter).

The ironic thing is that real working class marginalised people don't want to join unions. They want to make money and get rich. The only people who see some kind of romance in being poor, are ones who have never been poor, like Christy Moore who gets paid 60,000 Euro a gig to play "ordinary man" to a civil servants and SIPTU reps who drive to the gig in their 4x4s. Why do you think so many rappers from the ghetto sing about being in the back of limo with a couple supermodels.

Did anybody see how few real working class union people there were actually there yesterday. Apart from the school teachers and civil servants who are not poeple who actual live in what most of us would consider the real world (unless six weeks paid holiday is the norm and getting bonus for being incompetent), the majority of the crowd were students who haven't graduated yet and found out that they are talking bollox (this is part of being young and I can forgive them), and the usual rent-a-crowd shower; Sinn Feiners and the adorable Socialist Workers Party. Ah yes, the SWP...god bless their stockbroker and cosmetic surgeon "mommies and deddies" in Dalkey who fund their bohemian lifestyle so they can act "sooooooo radical like you knowwwwww!"

If you compare yesterday's march with the ones in the 70's. Less that half the marchers were actually in unions in Ireland, unlike the 70's were all the marchers were union members and there are 1,000,000 more people living in Ireland today. If anything yesterday proved to all of us that the unions are on their last leg and if it were not for the semi-states and public sectors, they would be almost gone.

I would support Irish trade unions if there were really about social justice, but they are not. I am actually very liberal as I have strong belife in society taking care of the truly marginalised and disadvantaged, but I am also a huge fan of capitalism and wealth. Getting super rich to me is a noble thing as is having free health care and education for all citizens. Money is wonderful and so is social justice - what we saw yesterday have feck all to do with social justice.

Partnership is all about blackmail and more worringly it subverts democracy and real social justice away from the people who truly need it and into the hands of the pampered middle classes working in the semi-states and the civil service, while the hard working, dynamic, creative and unproteced Celtic Tiger creators in the working, middle and upper classes in the private sector foot the bill for these professional An Beal Bocht'ers and their hyper-inflated sence of personal self entiltlement.

and I repeat again, there is a strong under current of bigotry and xenophobia in all this which will continue to come out as they keep this "unrest" up. People in unions tend to be of very low intelligence and just like when the British miners dropped a concrete block on some "scabs" killing the taxi driver, it is only a matter of time before some half-witted SIPTU tossbag makes a racist coment to the cameras. Then the game will be up.

shltter

PandaMania wrote:

The thing is that SIPTU is very much a middle class thing. In the Ballymun flats when I was a kid, I knew nobody who was in an trade union or worked in the semi-states.

All these so called opressed union men were all living in middle class private estates in Old Ballymun (sorry I mean "East Glasnevin!!!") Raheny, Santry and Drumcondra and looked down their noses at people in the Ballymun flats like we were vermin. There was no empathy and solidarity for us or semi-state jobs when we left school, they were reseved for the sons of CIE unions in these comfortable middle class neighbourhoods.

I can remember being a young kid getting on the old No 36 bus one day to Shangan Ave and the bus driver opening the door looking out at the people waiting to go to Ballymun and saying to the conductor. "Look at these ****ing animals, the state of them". Mind you, they had no problem taking our bus fare and not issuing a ticket and spending their "perks" at the CIE social club bar that night. This is the real reason why the conductor system on the buses and wagon load freight on the railways was stopped. There was wholesale mass "finger-in-the-till" going on within CIE union staff. These days they pilfer the taxes of the private sector, but the same "I'm alright jack!" mindset remains among the CIE employees in there late 40 and 50's and these very much represent the hardcore elements within CIE (and all semi-states for that matter).

The ironic thing is that real working class marginalised people don't want to join unions. They want to make money and get rich. The only people who see some kind of romance in being poor, are ones who have never been poor, like Christy Moore who gets paid 60,000 Euro a gig to play "ordinary man" to a civil servants and SIPTU reps who drive to the gig in their 4x4s. Why do you think so many rappers from the ghetto sing about being in the back of limo with a couple supermodels.

Did anybody see how few real working class union people there were actually there yesterday. Apart from the school teachers and civil servants who are not poeple who actual live in what most of us would consider the real world (unless six weeks paid holiday is the norm and getting bonus for being incompetent), the majority of the crowd were students who haven't graduated yet and found out that they are talking bollox (this is part of being young and I can forgive them), and the usual rent-a-crowd shower; Sinn Feiners and the adorable Socialist Workers Party. Ah yes, the SWP...god bless their stockbroker and cosmetic surgeon "mommies and deddies" in Dalkey who fund their bohemian lifestyle so they can act "sooooooo radical like you knowwwwww!"

If you compare yesterday's march with the ones in the 70's. Less that half the marchers were actually in unions in Ireland, unlike the 70's were all the marchers were union members and there are 1,000,000 more people living in Ireland today. If anything yesterday proved to all of us that the unions are on their last leg and if it were not for the semi-states and public sectors, they would be almost gone.

I would support Irish trade unions if there were really about social justice, but they are not. I am actually very liberal as I have strong belife in society taking care of the truly marginalised and disadvantaged, but I am also a huge fan of capitalism and wealth. Getting super rich to me is a noble thing as is having free health care and education for all citizens. Money is wonderful and so is social justice - what we saw yesterday have feck all to do with social justice.

Partnership is all about blackmail and more worringly it subverts democracy and real social justice away from the people who truly need it and into the hands of the pampered middle classes working in the semi-states and the civil service, while the hard working, dynamic, creative and unproteced Celtic Tiger creators in the working, middle and upper classes in the private sector foot the bill for these professional An Beal Bocht'ers and their hyper-inflated sence of personal self entiltlement.

and I repeat again, there is a strong under current of bigotry and xenophobia in all this which will continue to come out as they keep this "unrest" up. People in unions tend to be of very low intelligence and just like when the British miners dropped a concrete block on some "scabs" killing the taxi driver, it is only a matter of time before some half-witted SIPTU tossbag makes a racist coment to the cameras. Then the game will be up.

Again you have no idea what you are talking about

Working in a semi state does not make someone middleclass.

None of what you say has any basis in fact it might be what you would like to be the case but it is purile nonsense.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder because you were raised in Ballymun get over it.

So tell me what do you base your view that it is it is 40 to 50 year olds that represent the " Hardcore" in CIE and other semi states.

What do you base the opinion that CIE workers are pilfering from the private sector. I will remind you that CIE workers pay taxes and we have the lowest subvention of any European country.

What evidence have you that people do not "want" to join unions

You obviously were not at the march because it was not made up of Students. It was made up of ordinary working people from every union I have ever heard of in this country.

As for your statement that the union movement is on its last legs
YOu remind me of the US officials that keep announcing that the Iraqi insurgency is finished it is wishful thinking


And again provide one shred of evidence that the march was about anything other that what it claimed to be.
Personally I think we should be very proud that 150,000 people gave up their own time and money to protest against the naked greed that we have seen in Irish Ferries and that we will not accept people being discriminated against on the basis of where they are from.

daymobrew

shltter wrote:

Personally I think we should be very proud that 150,000 people gave up their own time and money to protest

Someone I know described how some of his Irish Rail coworkers (senior union members) got paid while protesting. They filled in their timesheets to say they finished hours after the actually finished. Upsettingly dishonest.

shltter

daymobrew wrote:

Someone I know described how some of his Irish Rail coworkers (senior union members) got paid while protesting. They filled in their timesheets to say they finished hours after the actually finished. Upsettingly dishonest.

It is if true.
personally I don't think anyone should expect to be paid whilst protesting

Mimikyu

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gjim

PandaMania, that was best and funniest posting I've read here. The Christy Moore fan particularly tickled me - you've described a person I know exactly.

Victor

PandaMania wrote:

This is the real reason why the conductor system on the buses and wagon load freight on the railways was stopped.

So, you are suggesting people slipped out the staff entrance with a bag of cement / fertilizer / beer keg in their back pocket?

parsi

PandaMania wrote:

CIE used to have a space on their form for listing which family member you have already employed in CIE just to apply for a job there. This is why the train drivers at IE are all closely genetically linked. It is like the movie Deliverence without the bajos.

You are a bitter twisted vicious person aren't you ? So many of your posts seem designed to wantonly insult people who have worked their balls off for sweet all.

Maybe you should move that chip to the other shoulder before you get a permanent stoop.

PandaMania

Wagonload was individual van laded with what CIE called 'Sundries' goods. Before the 1980 this could be anything from KitKats to Colour TVs. They were robbed blind for years by CIE staff working in the yards. I know because former CIE employees told me so. "It was a free supermarket" as one of them termed it. This is one of the reasons the non-container freight lost customers - the pallets of fertilizer were being damaged in transit.

Beers kegs were robbed at Glasnevin Junction just as the trains moved under Cross Guns Bridge by Skangers from Cabra West. Saw it happen and few times and it was like something from the Wild West. It was unreal to watch a gang of them tear off a keg and then hit the end of it with a lump hammer and try to catch as much gargle in their gobs as they could while it was spew out at high speed.

I am sure most of these fellas were on the march on friday and Parsi was getting all emotional at the return of socialism just in time for Ivana Batchik to celebrate it with a bottle of Bollinger and some Rocha John Roacha Flutes from Brown Thomas. *starts humming Ordinary Man*

Let's be honest here. This country makes most Banana Republics look dignified. That march on friday was for the benefit of getting more money for the semi-state unions and civil servants even though they don't have to worry about CIE or An Post moving to Pakistan. They all have a job for life and don;t they know it.

The private sector workers who were there were suckered into supporting the public sector vested interests who care for nobody but themselves. You were used. The Civil Servants and Public Sector workers made a partsy of you in order to leverage more power at the next Partnership talks.

Remember this when they move your job to Pakistant and then see how many An Post and CIE union workers and civil servants/schjool teachers come out to support you then... Where were these wonderful men of workers solidarity when Fruit of the Loom sent 2,000 jobs from the Northwest to Pakistan or the thousands of other private sector job which went overseas? I'll tell you, not giving a **** about them job losses, that's were.

Ever had the feeling you have been used?

John R

Wagonload freight disappeared from all the railways in the industrialised world from the late 50's onwards as road traffic increased. The railways could not compete on price, speed or convenience with vans/trucks. In a small, low density country like Ireland the viability of even bulk and container rail traffic is questionable in most cases.

I agree with what parsi said. The bile you are spewing is so OTT I feel you may be in need of psychiatric help.

PandaMania

John R you are 100% correct as to why wagonload freight was dropped. It was also being robbed bllind by CIE staff for decades. Just the the CIE bus conductors would charge so much for a fare and pocket the rest. This was rampant.

The CIE form used to make applicants declare family connections in order to get a job, it was employment aparthide and nothing else and yet these same gob****es are now demanding the rest of us now sacrifice ourselves for them - Parsi is far too emotional to look this up. I guess he is just so ready for the "worker revolution mannnnnnnn" since Friday. Emotions running high, Christy Moore on the CD player singing about the working man, like the ones who built his swimming pool.

The fact is that semi-state workers and civil servants are as much greedy bastards as the rest of us. The only difference is the rest of us admit it and the semi-states and civil servants have this scam called partnership which they claim is for the beneifit of all Irish society, but is just blackmail to line their pockets when you really come down to it. If pointing this out makes me a mental case then I am a mental. Still the truth.

I guess you lads consider Brendan Ogle to be wonderful and credible? Then again if you both work for semi-states you probably do.

The march on Friday was not a show of worker solidarity. Becuase SIPTU is as much a selfish vested interest as IBEC. I understand that the truth can hurt or be shocking to people who have deluded themselves into beleiving that SPITUs newspaper Liberty is an unbiased journal, but it isn't.

Me nuts? nah. I'll tell you what is really nuts. The fact that Ireland is a fantastic country, with amazing standard of living, high wages and even with this, some citizens of this country insist on marching down O'Connell Street and acting like the live in Haiti or Somalia. That's not nuts, that's totally demented! Well if it was a sincere protest, which it wasn't, it was a cycnical attempt to beef up their Partnership protection racket for the sole benefit of public sector workers and nobody else.

Where the hell do these SIPTU types think money actually comes from anyway?

Get some perspective for Jaysus sake. We are blessed to be living in fantastic country here and the semi-states and civil service had NOTHING to do with creating the Celtic Tiger, only rode it for free. But they'll kill it given half the chance and they'll be safe in their jobs for life. But it''l be London, Boston, New York again for the rest of us who don't have a job for life.

and will still have some D4 armchair caring socialist types quoting Chomsky while they pay a Russian prostitiute to blow concaine up his hole.

The game is up lads - think back to what direction the people were running when the Berlin wall came down. Get with the programme please.

John R

PandaMania wrote:

John R you are 100% correct as to why wagonload freight was dropped. It was also being robbed bllind by CIE staff for decades.

I suppose all the CIE staff were taking trips to all the other European railways to rob them blind and that's why their light freight has gone also. :rolleyes:

PandaMania wrote:

Just the the CIE bus conductors would charge so much for a fare and pocket the rest. This was rampant.

Bullsh!t. The fare machines accounted for all the fares issued and the conductors had to tally that with their cash daily.

PandaMania wrote:

The CIE form used to make applicants declare family connections in order to get a job, it was employment aparthide and nothing else

Until the 50's/'60s that was the way the world was, most men automatically went into the same work that their fathers had done.

PandaMania wrote:

and yet these same gob****es are now demanding the rest of us now sacrifice ourselves for them

It must have escaped your attention amongst all your hatred and paranoia but the demonstration was about jobs in the PRIVATE sector namely Irish Ferries.

PandaMania wrote:

blah blah blah...

The rest of your post is such stupid tripe it is not even worth debunking.
The sooner P11 get their message board running again the better, then you can go back to in their direction.

In fact I have now spent more than enough time reading your pathetic rantings so congratulations you are now the sole resident in my ignorelist, have a very pleasant stay.

jank

Man you have issues PandaMania....

I just think you like to rant

shltter

PandaMania wrote:

Get with the programme please.

I wish you would

Idbatterim

If i were irish ferries i would disolve the company and start afresh, tell all those moneysuckers to get stuffed! This is the real world, does these people thing that they are guaranteed a job for life! The unions just push it too far, there agenda is very evident, they couldnt care less about anyone, they are killing the goose that laid the golden eggs, ireland isnt a closed economy, a hell of alot of jobs here are created by large multinationals whos only loyalty is to their shareholders, they wouldnt bat an eyelid if they can relocate to somewhere cheaper. We cant go on here with wage increase, wage increase wage increase, we are actually open to competition! My mums an employer and all you ever hear is poor us (employee) , lucky them (employer)! eh yeah right, the employer gets a very raw deal in comparison to the employee! Could the strike not have been on a weekend, no lets mess up public transport, schools etc, sure well get a few hours off... screw whatever hassle it causes for anyone else! one of the trade union reps the other day said they would be seeking pay for the missed hours caused by their own strike action! Good old trade unions, the real socialists, great that they cant reform the health, prison or transport service! why? cause they want less responsibility and work and more pay! pensions, holidays, bonuses, company car, job for life! isnt it great we should all become public sector workers! In germany at the moment native highly qualified germans are fighting with each other over E1 jobs, engineers are sweeping the streets! this is 100% true! this is the worlds 3rd biggest economy a mature one and with a fantastic infrastrucure and educated people! These people must think the world owes them something, the greed of the unions really in quite unbelievable, im surprised they didnt go out with the dinsosaurs because that how dated they are!

Zaph0d

It is unfair for the public to be punished for public service industrial disputes. In exchange for greater worker protection, those providing monopoly services to the public shouldn't have the right to strike.

Not nurses, not doctors, not teachers, not gardai, not soldiers, not air traffic control and not train drivers. They can protest in a more imaginative fashion than just pissing on the public at every opportunity.

It must make their jobs harder to do when the public they meet every day see them as vermin.

Is secondary strike action not illegal?

parsi

PandaMania wrote:

The CIE form used to make applicants declare family connections in order to get a job, it was employment aparthide and nothing else and yet these same gob****es are now demanding the rest of us now sacrifice ourselves for them - Parsi is far too emotional to look this up.

lol...

you remind me of a guy that used work here. He was a real "Howya" and full of how the "real Duoubs" from Ballyer got raw deals and no one looked after them and he was being crushed by other non-real Duoubs. Of course he forgot that he was in a decent job, with great prospects and a nice rpomotion stream.

Of course he too didn't let facts (even if they are so far out of date as to be antiques) get in the way of his rants either.

As an aside the railways in most countries were an industry where sons followed their fathers. So was mining. So was factory working. So was carting. So was navvying. Do you get the drift - these were all low-paid jobs, with low entry qualifications and available to people who completed the then standard education.

murphaph

What pandamania says is for the most part, quite true and we all know it lads-the unions only have sway amongst the public sector employees in the main and they are determined to cling on to that last vestige of power. The problem is that they have nothing to discourage them from calling strike action as their members' jobs are pretty much secure. Compare the number of strikes in the private sector to the public sector. It's not because we in the private sector are so well paid and looked after by our benevolent employers that we don't feel the urge to down tools sometimes and strike for better cnditions but we can't guys because our employers will close up shop and set up elsewhere. Is this 'right'? Of course not, everyone should be able to strike when they really need to, but we in the private sector who pretty much can't strike regularly see publc sector employees with pretty much guaranteed jobs (or at least jobs that would see large redundancy payments being made) striking for guranteed pay rises, regardless of employee performance. This money comes from private sector PAYE and income tax lads, not from public sector PAYE which is just going back to the exchequer where it came from. I know that not every public servant is earning a fortune, but it should be known that there are plenty of private sector employees earning a pittance too and they are paying the wages of the guy with the guaranteed job.

As for the bus conductors' helping themselves-it did happen. I remember often getting tickets that didn't match what you'd paid for but you didn't care because you weren't going to get any hassle from the conductor over a ticket he sold you. You could count the number of time you saw an inspector ina year on 1 hand. Remember too that those ticket machines often worked so poorly that there was no visible print, maybe just the CIE 'wheel' and nothing else, so the conductor could easily issue smaller fare tickets and you wouldn't even know. He could then pocket the 'profit'. Anyone who claims this NEVER EVER happened is clearly pretty naive. Indeed, until quite recently the CIE staff at Connolly/Tara/Pearse would take cash at the gates for single fares for pasengers arriving in from unmanned outer stations like Ashtown. They gave you NO TICKET or ANY RECEIPT. That money could just go 'i do phoca'. Then there was that ticket checker who was sacked in Cork over 'irregularities' (read what you want into that, I know what I think he was up to) and the unions went bananas and got him reinstated. Since that incident the ticket checkers in the Dublin city centre tations have been issuing receipts from TRIPLICATE books, even for single fares so clearly IE management were not happy with the previous system (I wonder why :rolleyes:).

Social partnership doesn't just p!ss the private sector off, I know two lads in the ESB who were subject to it and they hated it because they were young lads (mid 20's) who worked hard and got paid less than the 'oul lads' who sat around drinkin tea all day.