My New Rig...

Irishpimpdude

Intel Pentium 4
3.0 GHz 64Bit HT
2MB cache '630'
2MB L2 cache Model 630 So.775

ASRock 775Dual-880Pro motherboard
ASUS Geforce 6200 256MB TV-out/DVI Or PCI-e GF ATI Radeon X700 256MB TV-out & DVI Or PCI-e GF ATI Radeon X800GT 256MB TV-out & DVI

200GB Maxtor HD 7200rpm/8MB
1024MB 533MHz DDR II RAM
NEC 3560 16x Multi DL DVD-RW
Soundcard 7.1 on board
10/100 Network card
400W Power supply
8x USB 2.0
Acer 17" TFT - 12ms responce

Im sure the x800 is the best of the lot and i will be doing alot of gaming on this machine so what you guys think? in total gonna cost me around 850

hairball

what kind of gaming??

Irishpimpdude

cod2,bf2 etc on atleast medium... at atleast 1024x768 lol im pretty sure it will run them at that..

TerrorFirmer

Don't get the 6200 or the x700 if you want to game. It will play new games alright, but not great, and they are not future proof in the slightest.

x800 definately.

Irishpimpdude

thought just as much thanks

hairball

or you could spend more money and bump the entire rig up a notch:)

Irishpimpdude

Yeah you see thats a problem as im only 15... and dont have a couple of thousand lol!

conzy

If you are into overclocking, go for a athlon 64 system they are brilliant overclockers, or and opteron 144 (socket939) they overclock to 2.6ghz on air and more on water cooling and they are only €145 and get some good dual channel memory OCZ or Corsair, and as for graphics cards i would go nvidia for SLI as you can upgrade for small money and nearly double the graphics power.

Look at this, its a athlon 64 3000 overclocked with pc3200 dual channel ram (OCZ platinium rev 2)



as you can see it beats a Pentium 4 extreme edition 840, which is €1,020, and that AMD CPU is only €140

Irishpimpdude

hmm im not mad into overclocking...i dont really know what to do lol!

conzy

i didnt either but with a athlon 64 system it is ezey peezy. there are more guides than you can shake a stick at online and where better to start than forums.amd.com a brilliant site run by amd and you will get more than enough help here just put "overclock athlon 64" into google and you will know how to do it within an hour:D . it is very hard to damage anything if you are careful and always check for stability by running benchmarks and your favourite games

Irishpimpdude

kool lol but i just priced a system and i came out a good bit more cash... lol and i just dont have enough

conzy

ok gimmie your budget and I will have a look, and tell me what you want a gig of ram, SLI?,........

Irishpimpdude

My budget is around 670... without monitor as i just got the monitor today.. and yeah just a good system basically and i will be encoding dvds so i will most likey need a p4.

conzy

Ok, Opterons have san diego cores, that is the same core as the fx 57, which is the mother of all processers, They are just as good as P4 for encoding and better for you as you want to game also, so i am going to price an amd system because you get more for less money. If you are an intel fanboy i reccommend a
good dose of forums.amd.com very friendly people and great craic:D

Does that 670 include case,fans, psu, cd/dvd drive/ hard drive/....
Because 670 is a bit tight to even make a budget system it is ok if it is just the main components

CPU/MOBO.RAM/G CARD

Because 670 is a bit tight to even make a budget system

Why not spend thge 670 now and get a nice g card for christmas ?, or get your parents to get you some parts and then spend the money you have now on other parts

commited

If it were my money:
(from komplett)

AMD Opteron 144, 1.8GHz, Socket 939, 1MB, BOXED w/fan
EPoX EP-9NPA7I, nForce4-4x, Socket-939 ATX, 4xS-ATA, LAN, Sound, PCI-Ex16
Samsung SpinPoint P120S 200GB SATA2 8MB 7200RPM NCQ
TwinMOS PC3200 DDR-DIMM 512MB CL2.5 Memory184-P (for DDR-PC400MHz)
NEC DVD recorder ND-3550 IDE White OEM DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer)
AKASA Powersupply ATX/EPS 12V 400W 120mm Fan, SATA, 24/20pin
Club3D Radeon X800RX 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express, Dual-DVI-I, Tv-Out, Retail
Total: €702.51 + €10 postage

Bit over budget, but I dont think you can beat that spec for that price

You didnt mention a case, so I assume you have one already.

That opteron is equivalent to a 3.4ghz P4 (ish) and if you overclock it, it'll be much much quicker. It'll be fine for encoding DVDs.

The Samsung drives are better than Maxtors.

1gb of decent memory.

The Akasa power supply is excellent quality.

That X800 is a good value card with good speed ram.

conzy

Yeah that is about as good as ya get for 700€ but that ram leaves no room for overclocking, you will have to either get pc4000 ram, or good overclocking pc3200 ram like OCZ platinium rev 2 which is 209€ but has a liftime warranty, and overclocks up to 600mhz

Irishpimpdude

Lol na i dont have a case i was just gonna buy this and get them to customise it with the x800 http://www.ankermann-pc.co.uk/ second system on the homepage...

conzy

not bad, make sure you get the PCI-EXPRESS version and not the agp version

Irishpimpdude

yeah i know lol

gline

id also recommend the opteron, such great value

Irishpimpdude

Gline do you know if that mobo is a good oc'er? and if so what would i get the cpu up to on air?

commited

conzymaher wrote:

Yeah that is about as good as ya get for 700€ but that ram leaves no room for overclocking, you will have to either get pc4000 ram, or good overclocking pc3200 ram like OCZ platinium rev 2 which is 209€ but has a liftime warranty, and overclocks up to 600mhz

You can just use the onboard divider.

gline

Irishpimpdude wrote:

Gline do you know if that mobo is a good oc'er? and if so what would i get the cpu up to on air?

which mobo u talking about???? The asrock one in the original post?

Irishpimpdude

Yes the asrock in the original post lol :P

masteroftherealm

Its not an overclocker at all AFAIK. But if it does it wont be that good.

gline

masteroftherealm wrote:

Its not an overclocker at all AFAIK. But if it does it wont be that good.

exactly

masteroftherealm

Opteron+DFI Lanparty UltraD= Best value for money

Irishpimpdude

Ok well i think ill build one and oc it instead ill prob go second hand on the gfx though... gline got any old cards for sale? lol!

gline

Irishpimpdude wrote:

Ok well i think ill build one and oc it instead ill prob go second hand on the gfx though... gline got any old cards for sale? lol!

sorry mate, i dont have any at all

Irishpimpdude

lol i was jokin and i was gonna get the 6600 512mb will it run games good? im actually running on a fx5200 128mb pci atm and its actully running very good for such an old card i can play cod 2 on normal at 1280x1024 lol so if it would run better then that im sure ill get it... the card is only 130.

gline

Irishpimpdude wrote:

lol i was jokin and i was gonna get the 6600 512mb will it run games good? im actually running on a fx5200 128mb pci atm and its actully running very good for such an old card i can play cod 2 on normal at 1280x1024 lol so if it would run better then that im sure ill get it... the card is only 130.

i dont know if the 6600 512meg is like tbh

Irishpimpdude

Could someone price me an opteron system without gfx??? with atleast 1gig ram,200gb sata

savemejebus

komplett have an x850 pro for 240 from tomorrow, will probably beat the 6600 even with the 512

conzy

Here is an opty system:

opteron 144 (€145) komplett
Asus a8n-e (€99) brilliant overclocking board, komplett
OCZ Platinium rev 2 pc3200 (€209) from www.shop4memory.ie
Cooler Master Real Power 450W (€99) komplett
NEC DVD±RW burner (€45)
Samsung SpinPoint P120S 200GB (€99) komplett

Total= €696

If you want sli go for asus A8n sli deluxe extra €50

You can just use the onboard divider

Using a memory divider causes a bottle neck and sometimes instability, memory divider should always be set to 1:1 for best performance

gline

conzymaher wrote:

Using a memory divider causes a bottle neck and sometimes instability, memory divider should always be set to 1:1 for best performance

since when does it cause instability?? ive used dividers on some of systems and its fine, just means ram isnt working at full speed. Also dont get a coolermaster psu

commited

conzymaher wrote:

Using a memory divider causes a bottle neck and sometimes instability, memory divider should always be set to 1:1 for best performance

Wrong. Totally wrong infact. Dividers are fine, in 939 systems anyway.

I wouldnt bother with a 512mb 6600. The 512mb is wasted.

conzy

It causes instability in athlon xp systems anyway, But you should always have it at 1:1 where possible if you have to lower it because your ram cant handle the speed you know you have bought the wrong ram, you have to buy faster ram or good overclocking ram and keep the htt as high as possible even if you have to loosen timings, I only told him to buy a cooler master because he is working to a tight budget and they are a lot better than the un branded c*** that comes with most cases. Buy a hiper 4K580 instead for another €25 if you can afford it

savemejebus

the fortron bluestorm from pixmania is supposed to be a very good budget psu

gline

savemejebus wrote:

the fortron bluestorm from pixmania is supposed to be a very good budget psu

yeh id definitly recommend fortran, they are particularly good

Irishpimpdude

Conzy would that be an excellent system???

commited

If it was my €700..

AMD Opteron 144, 1.8GHz, Socket 939, 1MB, BOXED w/fan - €145
EPoX EP-9NPAJ, nForce4, Socket-939 ATX, 4xSATA/ATA, GbLAN, DDR, PCI-Ex16 - €86
AKASA Powersupply ATX/EPS 12V 400W 120mm Fan, SATA, 24/20pin - €68
NEC DVD±RW burner, ND-3550A, 16x, Dual, Silver OEM - €45.5
Samsung SpinPoint P120S 250GB SATA2 8MB 7200RPM NCQ - €121
Corsair TWINX1024-4400C25 DDR-DIMM 1024M Kit w/two matched CMX512-4400 CL2.5 DIMM - €219
Total: 684.5 + €10 for del

Opteron will clock well, The epox is a great board for stability & OC'ing, good power supply, well regarded DVD-rw, 250gb hdd space & that all important very fast 1gb of ram (although I'd prefer to get 2gb of slightly slower ram, and use the divider).

gline

commited wrote:

If it was my €700..

AMD Opteron 144, 1.8GHz, Socket 939, 1MB, BOXED w/fan
EPoX EP-9NPAJ, nForce4, Socket-939 ATX, 4xSATA/ATA, GbLAN, DDR, PCI-Ex16
AKASA Powersupply ATX/EPS 12V 400W 120mm Fan, SATA, 24/20pin
NEC DVD±RW burner, ND-3550A, 16x, Dual, Silver OEM
Samsung SpinPoint P120S 250GB SATA2 8MB 7200RPM NCQ
Corsair TWINX1024-4400C25 DDR-DIMM 1024M Kit w/two matched CMX512-4400 CL2.5 DIMM
Total: 684.5 + €10 for del

Opteron will clock well, The epox is a great board for stability & OC'ing, good power supply, well regarded DVD-rw, 250gb hdd space & that all important very fast 1gb of ram.

yeh thats a pretty good selection

Irishpimpdude

Is that whole system off komplett?

commited

Yup.

Just looking at shop4memory.ie and you could get "512Mb DDR RAM PC4000 - Crucial Ballistix" for €60, which is pretty amazing (stock clearance) Save yourself €100 and order a pair of these

http://www.shop4memory.com/products/ddr-ram.asp - slightly further than half way down.

Irishpimpdude

Just waiting for my ma to come back and get her cc to order that ram

Edit: That mobo can only support up to 3200 if i get the ram will it just make it run at 3200?

savemejebus

off topic: thanks for the heads up on that ram commited, was going to order it from crucial, you just saved me 50 euro. cheers

Irishpimpdude

im just bout to order it jebus... will it work with that mobo or would it be better to get a mobo that can support 4000?

savemejebus

the ram will slow down to run at the boards speed, but when you're overclocking you'll be able to take advantage of the extra speed.

unoverclocked it will run at 400mhz (pc 3200)- 200 front side bus/htt for amd BUT at fantastic timings - 2-2-2-5 so really fast!

overclocked it will run at 500mhz - 250 front side bus/htt for amd which will allow you to overclock more, and take advantage of the opteron

Irishpimpdude

kool just ordered it.. anyone know usually how long it takes shop4memory to deliver?

commited

They're good - a few days
Did you order 2 sticks, yeah?

Now.. Send me your savings!!

Irishpimpdude

yeah i ordered 2 sticks and no you wish lol!!!! thanks a million!!!!