GAA to seek €50m for ditching Rule 42

DUB

I agree a national strategy couldnt do any harm. I dont think other grounds are going to be up for debate, I think they are going to remain closed and the opening of croke park because of these exceptional circumstances will be proposed.

Imposter

DUB wrote:

I agree a national strategy couldnt do any harm. I dont think other grounds are going to be up for debate, I think they are going to remain closed and the opening of croke park because of these exceptional circumstances will be proposed.

This is what I mean. Nobody knows what's going to happen. What i've read is that once the rule is abolished a commitee (I think it was central council) would have the power to make the decision about whether Croker should be opened. Seeing as the rule has the potential to affect all stadia then people should know who has the power to decide for these stadia.

Yavvy

one thing no one has talked about is thast this 50 mil was promised to the GAA a long time back but when the berti bowl went south and there was no sign of Hq opening up the funding dissapeard.

They are just looking for the money they were offered in the first place.

I want to see Ireland play infornt of an 82,000 home crowd in one of the most attractive stadiums in the europe. I hope it happens, then we can figure how to make Hill 16 a seating terrace for soccer !

DUB

That money, 40m, has finally been agreed to be paid.

This is a further 50m that Sean Kelly has said he will look for if Croke Park is to be opened. There is scare mongering going on about how much money home internationals generate to local business, some have even said in the region of 30 million per home game, therefore sean kelly is saying a 50 million grant would be little enough to keep these interntaionals here.

Would the fai get 80,000? maybe for the France game but i cant see them getting that many for friendlies or v Cyprus, not at the current ticket prices anyway.

Waylander

True they would be inlikely to gey 80,000 to freindlies, although I think they do sell out Landsdowne for most freindlies, which suggests a bigger stadium for these might be feasible. I think for the majority of competitive games tehy would sell 80,000 tickets without too much bother.

Imposter

I'm not so sure Waylander, Irish people are a funny species. If you look at events that are likely to be sold out then there's always a big huha and everyone wants tickets. Then look at events where there should be more than enough tickets and it'll never sell out as it doesn't generate the same publicity and people don't want to go in the same numbers. The best example of the later would be All-Ireland Hurling semi finals but music festivals and concerts as well as other sporting events have been the same at times.

DUB

there are regularly plenty of empty seats at friendlies, unless it is a 'big' team

i agree with the fair weather 'event' people, and i am sure the novelty value of an open croke park would attract more people then they would usually pull in, some of them would be stepping inside the stadium for the first time no doubt!

magpie

Will the Irish Cricket Team be able to play at Croke Park?

DUB

nah, its not round enough and they'd have to feck up the middle of the pitch, besides their 12 fans can fit in any round field

magpie

Shame, I would have liked to have seen people drinking Pimms and eating cucumber sandwiches as the furious, red-faced chuckie GAA members looked on in horror

Trojan

Hehe, cheers for that image magpie

... technically the ICC does not specific min or max dimensions for cricket grounds, so Croke Park could host a Test

And back to soccer and rugby:

IRFU/FAI joint statement wrote:

Both organisations are conscious of the negative impact evident in stadia around the world where soccer and rugby are played on a pitch far removed from spectators - normally as a result of surrounding athletics track. GAA pitch dimensions are approximately 150m x 90m those of soccer and rugby are 100m x 70m. This would leave spectators at rugby and soccer matches a minimum of 15m from the pitch side and 25m from the goal line.

This was in support of the proposed Bertie Bowl.

DUB

magpie wrote:

Shame, I would have liked to have seen people drinking Pimms and eating cucumber sandwiches as the furious, red-faced chuckie GAA members looked on in horror

You can see them on the premium level already

Nice clichey, before opening Croke Park we'd have to put up signs asking for 'fans' not to boo during other countries national anthems and put extra bolts on the seats so the soccer fans dont throw them at each other or knick them :rolleyes:

Big Ears

DUB wrote:

With all the asbestos in lansdowne the building is going to take a good bit longer then first thought, the work is supposed to start in 05 and end in 08?

Someone else said above 75,000 fans the capacity of croke park will be 82,000 very shortly.

You all talk about the GAA being money grabbing, why cant the FAI just bite the bullet and play in Tolka or Dalymount during rebuilding? Are they afraid of loosing a bit of money in the short term? Also the new ticket prices for the Ireland soccer Interntaionals are a disgrace, 50 bills for a lower west stand ticket for a meaningless friendly and 60 bills for a competitive match, including against the mighty Cyprus! Only the all Ireland final is anything like that expensive, who is ripping their supporters off?

I think il just clear a few things up . Hill 16 cannot be used for qualifying matches in soccer and therefore the capacity is somewhere around the 75,000 not 82,000 . Tolka park could never hold an internationel as only about 6,000 of its 10,000 capacity is seating , therefore only 6,000 could be used , and the floodlights are not up to UEFA standard . Dalymount park holds 13,000 but only 10,000 of so is seated , im not sure what standard the floodlights are . Would you honestly expect the national team to play in front of 10,000 with a hole end of a stadium empty ? .The FAI needs to charge more money for games as it is renting and has more staff to pay tha the GAA .The Asbestos is only meant to cause a minor delay and is not going to change the completion date too far from what was expected .Although 2005-2008 is correct , 3 years to build a stadium isn't great but , including its demolition it isn't too bad for a building in this country .When you question are the FAI afraid of losing a bit of money in the short term , they would lose Millions and would go bankrupt , probably forcing a new association to be formed .(maybe not a bad thing the way the current one is being run)

Lastly im commenting on something you said in a another post , and beleive it or not GAA , rugby and soccer don't compete with each other anymore , there schedules suit around each other (for most of the year) , and the vast majority of people I know (Im a youth) who play rugby or soccer or both also play GAA .

I guess that was more than a few things .

Imposter

Big Ears wrote:

Lastly im commenting on something you said in a another post , and beleive it or not GAA , rugby and soccer don't compete with each other anymore , there schedules suit around each other (for most of the year) , and the vast majority of people I know (Im a youth) who play rugby or soccer or both also play GAA .

The bit about not competing is true of the more high profile games but it doesn't hold true for clubs. For about 3 months of the year, club soccer (I'm talking local leagues here) play pretty much every weekend and GAA matches are also fixed for the weekend. Then again, I suppose anyone that plays 2 or more sports realises that it'll probably involve a balancing act between them.

DUB

thanks for the figures Big Ears, that rules tolka park out i suppose.

why not play in front of 10,000 for three years. Cant temporary seats be put in the terraces? Floodlights if they arent up to scratch can easily enough be upgraded, afterall there are none in Corke Park. The FAI could always borrow money to get by in the short term on the back of the increased capacity lansdowne road will have.

If the GAA can borrow the cost of the redevelopment of croke park then between the government paying a bigger share in lansdowne and the cost being split between the IRFU and FAI they wont be borrowing that much for the rebuilding anyway, so surely they could survive for three years with a 1/3rd capacity.

Another question why can't Lansdowne be developed in stages like Croke Park was? Could bucket seats be fitted to the Hill for soccer matches?

Three years is fine to build a stadium, I've heard different people say different stories about clearing up that much asbestos. I'm not 100% sure what the delay would be, if any, but i've heard conflicting theories.

You may not think they are competing, they may not be hostile toward each other any more but they are in competition for players, at some point you'll probably decide to play one or the other more. whatever about football, rugby and soccer being somewhat compatable, Hurling is a slightly different matter.

Mighty_Mouse

Ah yes! The misguided Manchester United (€60)soccer shirt wearing Irish man sitting in the pub swearing at the GAA for being a "grad all association"!!!

The GAA who instills a wealth of family, parish, county, country pride in kids across the country for free. Yes those bastards that let kids into matches for very little at any half chance and whose members dedicate hundreds of hours a year for free.

Then what happens? The FAI after years of mis-management fuc.k up their organisation .......................lets blame those GAA buggers!

Trojan

In my experience the GAA haven't let kids into matches for free in decades.

cournioni

Trojan wrote:

In my experience the GAA haven't let kids into matches for free in decades.

When I was under 16, I got into all of my counties matches for free. And so did all of my friends. I am only 19.

Mighty Mouse wrote:

Ah yes! The misguided Manchester United (€60)soccer shirt wearing Irish man sitting in the pub swearing at the GAA for being a "grad all association"!!!

Mine was only €42...

Trojan

Like I said - my experience. At least 16 years ago, if not more, and on at least one occasion, if not more, the GAA did not let kids in for free. Hope the qualification satisfies all

cournioni

Hmm... Can't really understand that. Unless it was down to the Ulster Council letting the kids in for free...

whatsgoin'on

Usually the Ulster Council lets in Under 16s for free in the small matches. Its only for the finals of the provincal and national championship(not sure about the provincal semi-finals) that under 16s need tickets.

But I always get in free any way so I don't care(I'm 18 for anyone who's interested, go 1986).


I get in free for two reasons: I look young enough to pass for 16 even though im in second year

If that fails there is series of things you can do to get in on the sly

DUB

Trojan wrote:

Like I said - my experience. At least 16 years ago, if not more, and on at least one occasion, if not more, the GAA did not let kids in for free. Hope the qualification satisfies all

oh okay then!

ruamax

gaa is a load of bollox all except hurling, rugby is a much better game, I ask you how can the gaa get a much better stadium and not pay off a government loan for it when the Irish rugby team is sfill playing in lansdowne, great stadium played the schools senior cup final there, butt we share the stadium with the irish soccer team and their players don't even respect their own manager/coach that they leave now that would never happen with rugby so how is gaa not bull****

kaimera

steady up there ruamax.

Blackjack

ruamax wrote:

gaa is a load of bollox all except hurling, rugby is a much better game, I ask you how can the gaa get a much better stadium and not pay off a government loan for it when the Irish rugby team is sfill playing in lansdowne, great stadium played the schools senior cup final there, butt we share the stadium with the irish soccer team and their players don't even respect their own manager/coach that they leave now that would never happen with rugby so how is gaa not bull****

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Imposter

Blackjack wrote:

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I concur.

DUB

:rolleyes: :eek:

Thanks for sharing your ... em ... thoughts with us Ruamax. It's quite the argument you've concocted for yourself there, so eloquently and intelligently written to. You should really send that to Sean Kelly I'm sure he'll throw open the gates upon reading it and decree that Gaelic football is indeed bollix and banish it from whence it came. Let me guess you played in the forwards on the Rugby team yea? I always imagined they might be smarter then they look, but you never know. I look forward to many more insightful, witty and most importantly coherent posts from your keyboard.

Mighty_Mouse

Like I said - my experience. At least 16 years ago, if not more, and on at least one occasion, if not more, the GAA did not let kids in for free. Hope the qualification satisfies all

You know of one occasion in the last 16 years when the gaa DID NOT lets kids in for free!! :eek: <<you research isn't very extensive>> BUT ok lets assess my post again::

Yes those bastards that let kids into matches for very little at any half chance

Big Ears

DUB wrote:

why not play in front of 10,000 for three years. Cant temporary seats be put in the terraces? Floodlights if they arent up to scratch can easily enough be upgraded, afterall there are none in Corke Park. The FAI could always borrow money to get by in the short term on the back of the increased capacity lansdowne road will have.

If the GAA can borrow the cost of the redevelopment of croke park then between the government paying a bigger share in lansdowne and the cost being split between the IRFU and FAI they wont be borrowing that much for the rebuilding anyway, so surely they could survive for three years with a 1/3rd capacity.

Another question why can't Lansdowne be developed in stages like Croke Park was? Could bucket seats be fitted to the Hill for soccer matches?

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You may not think they are competing, they may not be hostile toward each other any more but they are in competition for players, at some point you'll probably decide to play one or the other more. whatever about football, rugby and soccer being somewhat compatable, Hurling is a slightly different matter.

actually after this qualifying campaign temporary seats will not be allowed for competitive games .I think we would get more fans playing aboad than we would in Dalymount , and the FAI would also get a lot more money from games .

I already play more soccer than other sports , but thats because theres more games . (I usually have to do a small bit of a juggling act for a couple of weeks a year , but this is usually training , and I very rarely miss matches of one sport because of another) Im not sure about your comment about hurling , as I also play hurling , and have never had a hurling match clash with another sport .

And as getting into county games for free , I only ever got into one , and it was a football game , although I would say this has a lot to do with the county im from as hurling tickets are always scarce to find for games .

Trojan

DUB wrote:

Let me guess you played in the forwards on the Rugby team yea? I always imagined they might be smarter then they look, but you never know.

You saying I don't look smart?