Was Peter Griffin Raped?

Cactus Col

Was watching an episode of family guy the other day, it's the one where Lois becomes a black belt. Can't remember most of what happens in the episode but one thing sticks out.

Peter is in bed, Lois comes in, tells him it's time for some loving .. he says he has a headache, or would rather not, and she forces him.

The next morning Peter is obviously traumatised and says that the night before Lois was the man.

So was Peter raped?

And should rape be funny?

Zulu

Cactus Col wrote:

Was watching an episode of family guy the other day, it's the one where Lois becomes a black belt. Can't remember most of what happens in the episode but one thing sticks out.

Peter is in bed, Lois comes in, tells him it's time for some loving .. he says he has a headache, or would rather not, and she forces him.

The next morning Peter is obviously traumatised and says that the night before Lois was the man.

So was Peter raped?

And should rape be funny?

He was raped, and no, probably we shouldn't laugh. ....but hey, it's ok if it's not a woman. :eek: Unfortunatly, thats the society we live in my friend.

BolBill

Zulu wrote:

He was raped, and no, probably we shouldn't laugh. ....but hey, it's ok if it's not a woman. :eek: Unfortunatly, thats the society we live in my friend.

You don't really know that so why speculate ?????

Zulu

Who's speculating? Did you see the episode. I didn't think twice about it when I watched it - but it's evident.

BolBill

Zulu wrote:

Who's speculating? Did you see the episode. I didn't think twice about it when I watched it - but it's evident.

Yeah I did, didn't really bother me, maybe his just ride the cock off him :rolleyes:

Zulu

BolBill wrote:

Yeah I did, didn't really bother me, maybe his just ride the cock off him :rolleyes:

...or maybe she just made him wash the bathroom :rolleyes:
It was as blatant as a pork sale in a synagogue.

Cactus Col

Either way it was against his will which makes it rape ... at least they way I understand it

seamus

Cactus Col wrote:

Either way it was against his will which makes it rape ... at least they way I understand it

It also makes it a cartoon show, which thrives on shock tactics and making light of taboo subjects.

Sometimes you need to step back and say "whoah....I'm getting too anal here". The intention of the joke was not that "rape is funny".

Stark

They did the same joke in the Simpsons, the episode where Marge takes steroids. In that one Homer walks around the kitchen limping next morning saying "your mother's undergone a few changes kids".

egan007

It's a CARTOON!
I shot a whore in the face with a shotgun on GTA san andreas yesterday after i blew up an ambulance.
Is there a difference?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah, you only killed people. That's MUCH better than rape.

Zulu

The last thing I'm doing is knocking Family Guy - it's my fav show. Peter Griffin is my role model. He is a hero.

None the less, the origional point is valid. It the roles were reversed, there would be an outcry. No harm in pointing it out.

<edit>there is indeed a difference: GTA has an 18's cert</edit>

sprinkles

egan007 wrote:

It's a CARTOON!
I shot a whore in the face with a shotgun on GTA san andreas yesterday after i blew up an ambulance.
Is there a difference?

LOL

Touché, my good friend. Touché!

SkepticOne

seamus wrote:

"whoah....I'm getting too anal here".

I don't remember that line in the episode.

egan007

So you have a problem with GTA so?
......
Have you ever dropped an anvil on someones head?

RuggieBear

but even in a cartoon, could you imagine a female character being dragged off with implication of that she having sex against her will..... :eek:

FX Meister

Zulu wrote:

None the less, the origional point is valid. It the roles were reversed, there would be an outcry. No harm in pointing it out.

<edit>there is indeed a difference: GTA has an 18's cert</edit>

But the roles were not reversed. Peter once lifted his shirt and licked his nipple, there would also be problems if Louis was the one who did this. Although I wouldn't be complaining

Jim

SkepticOne wrote:

I don't remember that line in the episode.

But in another ep Peter says.

"Louis I'm goin to the bar, and when I get home I want anal. I don't care how tired you are, I want the whole house cleaned."

kaimera

lmfao jim.

RuggieBear

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

But in another ep Peter says.

"Louis I'm goin to the bar, and when I get home I want anal. I don't care how tired you are, I want the whole house cleaned."

That was brilliant.....

Zulu

egan007 wrote:

So you have a problem with GTA so?
......
Have you ever dropped an anvil on someones head?

No. I'm not sure how your logic works there.

FX Meister wrote:

But the roles were not reversed. Peter once lifted his shirt and licked his nipple, there would also be problems if Louis was the one who did this. Although I wouldn't be complaining

Don't ge me wrong here, I've no problem with family guy, I'm merely agreeing that this is a good example of the double standards that surround us in this pathetically PC age.

FX Meister

Perhaps given the whole situation they were having a poke at double standards

Blisterman

In another episode it's hinted at that Meg killed her other little brother. Don't forget quagmire ordering a Rufie Colada.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i don't think anybody loves liverpool quite as much as you do

RuggieBear

there was also the episode where Quagmire asks Lois if she has ever heard of Megan's Law ....when she asks him to baby sit the children....

Makaveli

There's also the episode where Quagmire goes to the door of a girls party

Hey there gorgeous, how old are you?
- 16.
18, you're first!
- Mom!!!!
I like where this is going, gigaddy, gigaddy, gigaddy

Wont somebody please think of the children?

steveland?

In that episode when they're finished... the business, Peter comes out and says "Last night... Lois was.... the man". So he seemed to be less concerned with Lois raping him than with her being... in charge...


Plus they did it in King of the Hill when Hank got raped by the whale...;)

Jim

SteveD wrote:

In that episode when they're finished... the business, Peter comes out and says "Last night... Lois was.... the man". So he seemed to be less concerned with Lois raping him than with her being... in charge...


Plus they did it in King of the Hill when Hank got raped by the whale...;)

Dolphin.

And er, he wasn't raped, he just seemed to "turn the dolphin on".

steveland?

The implication was there and the dolphin tried to do stuff... had it been physically possible, I'd say he had some malicious intent

Stark

"Dad, what's the blowhole for?"
"I'll tell you what it's not for son, and when I do, you'll understand why I can never return to Seaworld"

Nasty_Girl

I'm quite young and innocent, so forgive this....But how does a woman rape a man(as in sex in the traditionalsense, not buggery), I understand she could say" Have sex with me now or I'll blow your head off " or in the marge/lois case "...beat the **** out of you" but surely if a guy doesn't want to he can't make himself get it up......or can he?? Don't get me wrong when I saw those episodes I thought "ok, that was a bit much" but personally I think it's just portraying a sexual fantasy the writers have!! and the idea of rape probably never entered their heads!

mycroft

Makaveli wrote:

Hey there gorgeous, how old are you?
- 16.
18, you're first!

Or when he finds the gagged and bound cheerleader in the toilet.

"My birthday's come early this year"

Is rape funny? no.

Are the above jokes funny? Yes.

Is it wrong to laugh? Probably, but thats half the fun.

Everyone who has issues with this can rent the complete series of family ties followed by the Cosby show.

if a guy doesn't want to he can't make himself get it up......or can he??

Doesn't want to...............................................................

No sorry you lost me me half way through the sentence.

GuanYin

Nasty_Girl wrote:

I'm quite young and innocent, so forgive this....But how does a woman rape a man(as in sex in the traditionalsense, not buggery), I understand she could say" Have sex with me now or I'll blow your head off " or in the marge/lois case "...beat the **** out of you" but surely if a guy doesn't want to he can't make himself get it up......or can he?? Don't get me wrong when I saw those episodes I thought "ok, that was a bit much" but personally I think it's just portraying a sexual fantasy the writers have!! and the idea of rape probably never entered their heads!

Unfortunately sometimes guys are a slave to biology and strangely enough women can be too.

That said, you only need semi erectness for intercourse and the legal definition calls for penetration, noone is measuring stiffness, girth or timing the event.

Male rape, man-man, woman-man are on the increase and have been more common than you think since the mid 90's.

They were probably more common before that but weren't and still aren't reported as much as female cases.

Its also worth noting that a large proportion of women initiated male rape occurs in gang format and the victim age range tends to be under 25.

As far as the episode goes, if you were to cut everything out of family guy that could offend, you might be left with 10 seconds of the credits at the end.

The shows tactic is to make a point in a shocking way. In that case I agree that as well as the in-story joke they were probably doing an up-yours to our sensibilities that say "men don't get raped".

I wonder how many guys watched it and went "hahah what a pussy, being taken by a woman" :rolleyes:

Its also, according to Seth McFarlene, more difficult to get away with portraying a man hitting a woman than a woman hitting a man. Go figure.

GuanYin

Nasty_Girl wrote:

I'm quite young and innocent,

Incidently, people who start posts with a line like this, especially those with "girl" in their usernames, tend to be 38 year old perverted men who look like snowmen under a blacklight.

mycroft

syke wrote:

As far as the episode goes, if you were to cut everything out of family guy that could offend, you might be left with 10 seconds of the credits at the end.

[off topic] a friend was telling me she saw the rocky horror picture show in Mumbai.

They had editted out all partial nudity, cross dressing, and sex.

So you were left with fifty minutes with most of the songs cut and a plot that made no sense whatsoever.

I want to see that version so bad.

[/off topic]

steveland?

Oh yeh don't forget that joke in another episode of Family Guy...

someone's staying with Quagmire and when she goes out he's left with her "paralysed but trusting cousin" or something along those lines... so ya see Family Guy really is sick

Makaveli

mycroft wrote:

Or when he finds the gagged and bound cheerleader in the toilet.

"My birthday's come early this year"

You've got your quote muddled.
When he sees the cheerleader tied up and gagged in the toilet the line is
"Dear Diary, jackpot!"


The birthday quote, is the one with the nudist family and the kid is in the mall and the dirty old man (the guy who always wants Chris to dig in his pocket for loose change when he's on his paper round) sees him.


"Get you're fat ass back here"

irishgeo

Its called comedy people.Jeez. I read such **** in my life.

PC bridage reaches Boards.ie. Please mods close the thread its so far accross the the line of being off topic its a joke.

steveland?

irishgeo wrote:

Its called comedy people.Jeez. I read such **** in my life.

PC bridage reaches Boards.ie. Please mods close the thread its so far accross the the line of being off topic its a joke.

Err it started off as a thread about cartoons condoning or making light of rape --> a television related subject


It is currently...... a thread about cartoons condoning or making light of rape --> the same television related subject

The only off topic remark was yours.

And why shouldn't people discuss what outrages them about television shows (comedy or not which, yes, is in this case obviously supposed to be outrageous) in a forum about television shows?

Nasty_Girl

syke wrote:

Incidently, people who start posts with a line like this, especially those with "girl" in their usernames, tend to be 38 year old perverted men who look like snowmen under a blacklight.

If I was aman I'd know the answer to the question already, wouldn't I? Grow up dyke.

irishgeo

SteveD wrote:

Err it started off as a thread about cartoons condoning or making light of rape --> a television related subject


It is currently...... a thread about cartoons condoning or making light of rape --> the same television related subject

The only off topic remark was yours.

And why shouldn't people discuss what outrages them about television shows (comedy or not which, yes, is in this case obviously supposed to be outrageous) in a forum about television shows?

its a cartoon!

Rape is a crime but making light of one is not. Its a cartoon character and nothing was shown to make it look like rape took place.

The thread has gone down hill as the post above this is clearly personal and off topic.

If i was mod of this forum, the thread would be closed and the person starting it banned for being stupid enough to post it.

tribble

Jackpot! gigdy gigdy g

Cactus Col

irishgeo wrote:

its a cartoon!

Rape is a crime but making light of one is not. Its a cartoon character and nothing was shown to make it look like rape took place.

Peter told Lois that he wasn't in the mood, can't remember what she said but I think it was pretty much along the lines of telling him tough luck, next morning Peter was visibly distressed.
This would indicate to me that a rape did take place.

All I was lookinf for was to know other peoples opinions on it .... after all isn't that what boards are for? to exchange opinions and views?

Makaveli

Nasty_Girl wrote:

Grow up dyke.

That's right, I went there!

tuxy

Karl Hungus

I'm completely boggled here...

What exactly is the problem!?

DapperGent

Cactus Col wrote:

So was Peter raped?

And should rape be funny?

a) As someone already said in the thread Peter doesn't specially say he was raped. He says "Last night Lois was the man." I think what the show is trying to get across is that Lois took charge in the sex the night before not and this is what upset Peter, not that Peter was upset because he was raped.

I certainly never thought that Peter had been raped in the many times I've seen the episode.

b) I personally wouldn't be one to set boundries on taste. I think anything can be funny given the right context. In other Family Guy episodes much light is made of something as serious as spinal injury. For example:

JS:"Ironically I severed his spine when I landed one him."
PG:"Guess you'll be having a bit more competition at the next special people games."
JS:"No he's dead."

celticfc

I think this thread has gone far enough. :rolleyes:

Thread Closed.