US Presidential Election

Bazookatone

Today the most powerful nation on Earth goes to the polls to decide who's going to screw around with everyone else for the next four years.

Bazookatone

Sorry, somehow, the poll i wanted to put up here didn'tmake it, It's my own fault. Who do you want to win
A) Bush
Kerry

Just put A or B in a post and we'll count them.

Plunky

WHO voted for Bush?!

Hugh Hefner

Not me. Hell no!

It would seem to have been tibilt.

Plunky

It was Tibilt. who thinks that's the name of the prince of cats from R&J!.. of course, it's tybalt...
Anyway, figured out how to find out, yay!

Raphael

My opinion? A tree's about to fall on you, and you have the option of gettng squished by the tree of jumping off a cliff. Do you take certain death or a risk? That's the way I view the election. It could go either way if Kerry gets elected.... but Bush is much, much worse.

Plunky

How big is the tree?

Sleipnir

I saw some site today that did an international poll and Kerry got 77% of the vote
which is a pretty big landslide.

mentalimplosion

i hate it when people say the two are the same. they're not.

Piste

Today someone asked the class : 'Who would you vote for: Bush or Kerry?' Everyone said Kerry. What really annoyed me though is because hardly any of them knew why they prefered Kerry. They just heard so much anti-Bush stuff they had been brainwashed into thinking Kerry was a Perfect President.

Raphael

No, but they're pretty damn similar

Spraypaint

What you've got to ask yourself is:
Am I a christian fundimentalist idiot, who supports wars for oil based on lies, who has no problem with 1.7 million people losing their jobs in 4 years, who enjoys an intensely hierarchal capitolist society, who enjoys having a knuckle-dragging moron for a "leader", who places corporate kronies before the people, who sends kids to their deaths abroad for no just reason, who increases military spending and cuts funding to the poor and social amenities in tandem, who supports the forced implementation of hardline christian ideas on a diverse secular society and who supports a man who was selected rather than elected by his Dad's supreme court Kronies?
If you support a man who sat in a classroom in Florida reading "My Pet Goat" to himself in a classroom full of 4-year-olds while 3,000 people died as the twin towers fell, then by all means vote Bush.

If you have a conscience or any moral compass at all vote for the only viable alternative; the imperfect but still vastly superior Senator John Kerry.

mentalimplosion

If you support a man who sat in a classroom in Florida reading "My Pet Goat" to himself in a classroom full of 4-year-olds while 3,000 people died as the twin towers fell, then by all means vote Bush.

i've never actually got this bit though, i must be missing something. i always thought that he kept reading because a) he had to collect his thoughts on how to act (i mean this was a pretty big deal) and b) it'd be kinda rude/traumatizing for the poor 4-year-olds. like, it's My Pet Goat, not The Bonfire of the Vanities, it probably only had a couple of pages left.

so seriously, i am confused, somebody tell me what everyone expected him to do

Spraypaint

i am confused, somebody tell me what everyone expected him to do

ANYTHING AT ALL!!! except sit there and do nothing and read a book for 4 year olds. How about provide some Goddammed leadership in the biggest time of crisis in the mainland USA ever. Any action would have been better than inaction.

Piste

Well he couldn't exactly spring up, run to New York and Hold up the Twin Towers to prevent them from collapsing now could he? The damage was already done. By continuing reading 'My Pet Goat' He would have been able, as Ana said, to collect his thoughts and decide how to act.

It wasn't me!

I support you and Ana Liz but how many thought do you think the guy has?

Plunky

Out of interest, are people voting for Bush out of sympathy? For the shock value?

I mean here, not in the US

Piste

Well you see, knowing him there would have been a lot of thoughts going round his head such as 'I like cats, I hope no cats were hurt' and 'Daddy won't like this'. He had to go back to his texan roots and lassoo all these important thoughts together.

PurpleFistMixer

Aren't there more candidates? Like.. some guy from the Green Party?(Possibly Nader?) And others?
But yeah, out of those 2 choices, I'd say Kerry.

(And also, I heard Bush isn't actually from Texas. He's from like.. the east coast. Allegedly.)

Raphael

After reading the majority of the replies on this thread, I'd just like to say I'm damn glad that people need to be 18 to vote

It wasn't me!

Aonghus, shut up.

Guy:Incognito

Kerry

i love the way so may people drag out the "bush is brainwashing people and ruining the world" line. I think its fairly ironic seeing as most of you have been brainwashed by the like of michael moore and the like. Almost anybody can be made to look like a tyrannical lunatic when fed to people in the right way. What exactly do you people think kerry is going to do so differently? He has already stated the war on terror will continue under him and he will go to any lengtha to kill osama bin laden.

PurpleFistMixer

My ignorance on the matter is due to the fact that I can't vote... And also because everything is so god damned biaised that you can believe nothing you read/hear/see.

Plunky

*raises Hand*
I'm 18

mentalimplosion

eff off and die, aonghus, i'm a teenage girl with a keen interest in politics (one of the only ones it seems, i will admit), have grown up waist deep in political and media analysis and i know the facts. i want to study political science in trinity, and have done since i was about 10. i know an awful lot about this election, and american politics in general, quite possibly more than you do. so stop being a bloody pedant.

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pinkpimp

I believe that they are both equally bad choices, and neither is really worth my vote. I would, however, vote for Kerry. The only reason I would do this is because Bush has done enough damage so far, at least Kerry could be a better president, because theres little chance of him being worse. Also, a change of personnel might disrupt the flow of this shall i say destruction, and slow the process down.

It wasn't me!

Amen. Aonghus, we know in most areas you're probably more mature than the rest of us, ( :rolleyes: ) there's just no need to be so goddamn grumpy old man-esque here!

"In my day..."
"Price of tea.... <Insert muttering bitching and grumbling here>"

mentalimplosion

eh, in his arse he is. since when does spending your life online equal being more mature? :rolleyes:

pinkpimp

Don't forget,
"fifteen miles in the snow, uphill both ways. Didn't have shoes either, had to tie our laces around our bare feet"
A Classic.

Piste

What they need is a good ol' fashioned dictator. Or we could get rid off all the stupid americans by taking away their safety scissors and let them do that themselves........




Now there's an Idea..........

pinkpimp

They have a dictator in place. George bush has almost as much power as any given dictator, and abuses it aswell. He's no more democratic than Stalin or Hitler.

StupidLikeAFox

Kerry

doesnt anyone else find it strange that everyone seems to hate george bush yet he's still in the running for the job in the first place?

Piste

I do indeed. A lot of the anti-Bush stuff is spouted by peole who do't know what they're talking about and just don't agree with the guy.

pinkpimp

not everyone in Americania hates the big G-man. Also, the alternative isn't that much better.

Piste

Yeah, I'd say if Kerry gets elected it'll be 'cos he's the lesser of two evils. Or am I just stating the obvious here?

PurpleFistMixer

I reckon people must hide in the mountains/other secluded areas of America, know absolutely NOTHING about ANYTHING other than their mountainhuts, then vote, and return to their shacks.

Yep.

It wasn't me!

Ana, note the :rolleyes: . I was just appeasing him. He's no more mature than anyone else here. He just really wants to be that grumpy old man.

StupidLikeAFox

Kerry

Gummybearz!!! wrote:

Yeah, I'd say if Kerry gets elected it'll be 'cos he's the lesser of two evils.

Greatest country in the world alrite!!!!

Piste

Which brings me back to the point about americans and safety scissors.

Plunky

Gummybearz!!! wrote:

Which brings me back to the point about americans and safety scissors.

?..

It wasn't me!

She wants to take away all Americans' safety scissors so they'll save us the bother of killing them.

Piste

Correction: I wan't to take away all of America's safety scissors so the dumb Americans will kill themselves.

pinkpimp

Spraypaint wrote:

If you support a man who sat in a classroom in Florida reading "My Pet Goat" to himself in a classroom full of 4-year-olds while 3,000 people died as the twin towers fell, then by all means vote Bush.

.

In all fairness, thats hardly his biggest fault. And those that say he was collecting his thoughts, he was having a hard enough time pronouncing goat to think properly.


[Edit: I know its a bit back, I just read the first half of this thread after the second]

It wasn't me!

Read it Liz, that's what it says.

Plunky

How does REMOVING the scissors' cause them to kill themselves?

PurpleFistMixer

Because they loved those scissors.

StupidLikeAFox

Kerry

Plunky wrote:

How does REMOVING the scissors' cause them to kill themselves?

oooooook :rolleyes:
removing the safety scissors will not be a problem for the smart americans, however the dumb americans (who were up to this point using the SAFETY scissors) would kill themselves, thus making the country smarter as a whole. Simple!

Hugh Hefner

It makes no difference which one of them you vote for, either way your planet is doomed!!!!DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!


P.S. Vote Nader!!!!

jono087

Hugh Hefner wrote:

It makes no difference which one of them you vote for, either way your planet is doomed!!!!DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!


P.S. Vote Nader!!!!

Ya true, I know Bush is bad (well actually way worse than just bad) but a democrat in power is like a.......... *tries frantically to come up with an analogy* like a......... well not very good.

*mutters* Damn liberal bast*rds

Crash

You know that simpsons episode:

"well i want to vote a third party candidate!"
"go ahead, throw your vote away!"

well this has never been more true than this year. Nader isnt even on HALF the state ballot papers because APPARENTLY states get to decide on who they want on their ballots. so it would seem that we have a presidental candidate who not everyone can vote for.

Re: Bush and Kerry - both have their good and bad points. Overall, while i want to see kerry win, i DETEST the man. he has no politics. He flip flops on every ****ing issue depending on what he deems to be the most acceptable at the time - he has yet to make a firm decision that he has stood by and if i were an american looking for someone to govern (and this is the operable word, remember that international policy not withstanding, this person has to keep the state of the union for the next four years!!) my country, i would not for a ****ing second sit and think "wow, kerry makes a good point".

with bush at the other hand - everyone stops and says "ah he invaded iraq etc. etc." and tbh do you honestly think for ONE second that Gore would've done anything different? If you did you're a misinformed fool. But at least the man stands by what he says like.

This is well and truly down to the lesser of two evils and which you decide is very much a personal decision - and i really dont think you can berate anyone for their choice.

Hugh Hefner

crash_000 wrote:

You know that simpsons episode:

"well i want to vote a third party candidate!"
"go ahead, throw your vote away!"

well this has never been more true than this year. Nader isnt even on HALF the state ballot papers because APPARENTLY states get to decide on who they want on their ballots. so it would seem that we have a presidental candidate who not everyone can vote for.

I do realise this but I would still vote for him on principle, if I could. I just seems like the right thing to do. I wouldn't feel right if I didn't. Keeping in mind we're still imagining I'm an eligible American voter.