Barbarians

joe.

out of interest i just downloaded a beheading about a month ago. i have to say it was the most brutal disgusting barbaric thing i've ever saw in my life. i felt for the plight of these people. not any more. if they want to kill people why can't they use a bullet in the back of the head. felt physically sick. never seen anything like it. never want to again. don't look at these things

Basq

Yeah, i saw Nick Berg's beheading a few months back and felt physically sick!

Once it started, i guess the curious side of me took over!

Really regretted watching it then!

Stark

Yeah same here. When I heard of beheadings I usually thought of bag over the head, quick slice of sword, bag falls into basket. Was totally unprepared for the reality of it.

impr0v

It's a calculated act, designed to elicit such responses in order to provoke violent reaction (and therefore further destabilise the region), to turn public opinion against those political leaders who made little attempts to secure the release of the poor souls being beheaded, and perhaps to attempt to bring home the realities of violent death to the video game war generation.

Personally I have no desire to download any of them out of interest or for voyeristic pleasure. If nobody downloaded them, it would be far more likely that the hostages would receive a quick and relatively painless execution.

therecklessone

bmarley wrote:

out of interest i just downloaded a beheading about a month ago. i have to say it was the most brutal disgusting barbaric thing i've ever saw in my life. i felt for the plight of these people. not any more. if they want to kill people why can't they use a bullet in the back of the head. felt physically sick. never seen anything like it. never want to again. don't look at these things

I have to ask...

What did you expect? A nice polite meeting of large sword and westerner's neck?

Thats like saying "I downloaded child porn there last week, its sick. Don't be looking at that."

Beheading somebody is a cruel and inhuman act, but then in fairness, a bullet wouldn't be much more humane, would it?

joe.

honestly i do think a bullet to the back of the head would be more humane. without a doubt.

also i did imagine a sword and a single swipe.

all i'm doing is warning people not to look at these things.

Pigman II

I've seen Nick Berg and Daniel Pearls and maybe I'm just desensitised by too much Premiership football but I wasn't as shocked by the violence in either as I had expected to be. But back on topic sure they could put a bullet to the head but then what'd be the point if they don't elicit and an appropriately disgusted/terrified/angered reaction from you?

therecklessone

Pigman II wrote:

I've seen Nick Berg and Daniel Pearls and maybe I'm just desensitised by too much Premiership football but I wasn't as shocked by the violence in either as I had expected to be.

Maybe thats it.

Pigman II wrote:

But back on topic sure they could put a bullet to the head but then what'd be the point if they don't elicit and an appropriately disgusted/terrified/angered reaction from you?

Cos a bullet in the head is pretty terrifying for me.

Pigman II

therecklessone wrote:

Cos a bullet in the head is pretty terrifying for me.

Yes, but moreso than a beheading that with a knife can take at least several seconds do complete?

smoke.me.a.kipper

basquille wrote:

Yeah, i saw Nick Berg's beheading a few months back and felt physically sick!

Once it started, i guess the curious side of me took over!

Really regretted watching it then!

exactly the same. although i dont regret seeing it, i dont want to see another one again.

giftgrub

Its Just Been Confirmed By The Bigley Family That He Is Dead

ShiverinEskimo

RIP...

And people say the human race is advancing. You'd have to look pretty far back to see this kind of savagery.
However, did anyone else see the footage of the F16 bombing the people in the street. You know, the "highly trained militants" who were walking in the middle of a wide street with a team of rangers and fighter jets. Aye, militants.

Similar kind of scum. One man with a knife, or 30 people with a bomb from a mile away.
At least his suffering ended after a minute or two. some of those casualties from the air to ground missle were sat bleeding to death for god knows how long.

bizmark

I douth any of those people lived past the first few seconds of that bomb going off it was right in the middle of the group and seemed to be quite powerful

LegacyUser

ShiverinEskimo wrote:

RIP...
At least his suffering ended after a minute or two. some of those casualties from the air to ground missle were sat bleeding to death for god knows how long.

very true, after watching those vids I wouldn't mind goind out that way myself, 30 seconds is a pretty quick death, not as fast as a bullet in the head but pretty fast none the less, as for how shocking the vids are, yea the first time you see one, but they just get boring after a while

LegacyUser

bizmark wrote:

I douth any of those people lived past the first few seconds of that bomb going off it was right in the middle of the group and seemed to be quite powerful

and this is a good thing ?

bizmark

bananayoghurt wrote:

and this is a good thing ?

Never said it is but i was replying to

some of those casualties from the air to ground missle were sat bleeding to death for god knows how long.

Im just saying its unlikely any of those people would be left bleeding to death on the road for god knows how long it would more than likely be over quite quick from the vid i seen. (F*ck its sh*t we even have to talk about this and HOPE these people didnt suffer to much while being bombed / beheaded)

smoke.me.a.kipper

bizmark wrote:

F*ck its sh*t we even have to talk about this and HOPE these people didnt suffer to much while being bombed / beheaded

sadly this is the nature of the modern world.

LegacyUser

smoke-me-a-kipper wrote:

sadly this is the nature of the modern world.

was never any different, never will be

smoke.me.a.kipper

bananayoghurt wrote:

was never any different, never will be

just human nature?

LegacyUser

yep, tribal by nature, same as troupes of chimps, if they knew how to use modern weapons the result would be the same

therecklessone

Pigman II wrote:

Yes, but moreso than a beheading that with a knife can take at least several seconds do complete?

No.

I should have been more coherent when I linked your two quotes. Its indicitive of the manner to which we have become accustomed to violence that it takes a beheading to terrify us, and not "just" a shooting.

impr0v

bananayoghurt wrote:

yep, tribal by nature, same as troupes of chimps, if they knew how to use modern weapons the result would be the same

It would take them a while to work out how to post it on the interweb though

Pigman II

therecklessone wrote:

Its indicitive of the manner to which we have become accustomed to violence that it takes a beheading to terrify us, and not "just" a shooting.

Perhaps, but it still doesn't change the point that whether one is accustomed to shootings or not that the beheading method would still make MORE of an impact than just a simple shooting as it is a more brutal and protracted form of execution - hense making it a more desirable method for these people to use.

Gurgle

The BIG problem with these murders & beheading videos & stuff is that everyone identifies these murderers as 'Muslim terrorists'. This links these two words in your head, perpetuating the religious prejudice.
Its really not that far from the IRA grabbing unionists off the street, making them kneel over their own graves with their hands tied behind their back & shooting them in the back of the head.
The worst part would be the terror of knowing that within seconds you will suffer a violent death. Knife or bullet, the difference is 10 seconds at most.
But do we immedietly think 'terrorist' when we hear 'catholic' ?
No, because most of the people in the country are catholics but the vast majority are not terrorist or murderers.

LegacyUser

Gurgle wrote:

Its really not that far from the IRA grabbing unionists off the street, making them kneel over their own graves with their hands tied behind their back & shooting them in the back of the head.

if you are going to make comparisons why not make them real and not upon some figment of your imagination

ferdi

if anyone is considering downloading any of the beheading videos, dont. i just downloaded nick bergs killing. the screaming is horrible.

LegacyUser

the nick berg one is sooo tame, check out the vids of the two yanks captured with the british guy, audio and video are way way better, the amount of blood those guys spew is amazin !!

cilamc

It speaks volumes that the website these beheadings are downloaded from also links to a rape fetish page.

LegacyUser

also speaks volumes that you know this

pork99

There's also some very gruesome video that have been around for a few years of Chechen terrorists cutting the throats of Russian captives. And then they're upset that their country is a sh|t-heap.

If I was in that situation I hope I would meet my end like one of the Italians they murdered earlier this year (though they shot him). He said something like "I'll show you how an Italian dies" in other words "go f*ck yourselves". Respect!

fragile

I have not seen the Kenneth Bigley video, the following is a comment on the beheading video that was realised earlier this year...

The beheading video that was all over the Internet a few months ago that depicted an American having his head sawed off was a fake. I remember I downloaded it at the time and I couldn't believe that all these Americans who had seen it and expressed shock at it had not noticed the fact that there was no blood in the video There was a couple of other mistakes that I cannot recall at the moment but it was definitely a fake...

In regard to the Kenneth Bigley situation, the definition of a terrorist is somebody who uses terror to change a society's way of life. By refusing to negotiate with these terrorists the British government was doing their best to ensure that the terrorists did not acheive this goal. Unfortunately the British and Irish press did not have the same viewpoint, and used the situation to their advantage by using sensationalist journalism to sell newspapers....Billy Connolly was illustrating this in his infamous comment, which unfortunately has been taken out of context by a lot of people...

pork99

fragile wrote:

The beheading video that was all over the Internet a few months ago that depicted an American having his head sawed off was a fake. I remember I downloaded it at the time and I couldn't believe that all these Americans who had seen it and expressed shock at it had not noticed the fact that there was no blood in the video There was a couple of other mistakes that I cannot recall at the moment but it was definitely a fake...

What about the decapitated corpses found in each case? There have been about 5 or 6 Americans murdered like this in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. All fakes?

pork99

Gurgle wrote:

The BIG problem with these murders & beheading videos & stuff is that everyone identifies these murderers as 'Muslim terrorists'. This links these two words in your head, perpetuating the religious prejudice.

Personally I would have thought the poor b*stard getting his head cut off was the BIG problem.

Most Muslims are not terrorists. But it is also a fact that most terrorists are Muslims.

fragile

pork99 wrote:

There's also some very gruesome video that have been around for a few years of Chechen terrorists cutting the throats of Russian captives. And then they're upset that their country is a sh|t-heap.

This is a troll right! you can't be serious! Chechnya is a sh|t-heap because of Russian coercion and oppression. Whatever crimes the Chechan militants have committed against Russian pales in comparison to what has been inflicted on them...

pork99

fragile wrote:

This is a troll right! you can't be serious! Chechnya is a sh|t-heap because of Russian coercion and oppression. Whatever crimes the Chechan militants have committed against Russian pales in comparison to what has been inflicted on them...

You are naive - not going to start flaming you

fragile

pork99 wrote:

But it is also a fact that most terrorists are Muslims.

And you are suprised? it is also a fact that most of the injustices that these terrorists are fighting against were created by Western powers. Lets not forget that the US and Britian supported Saddam Hussein right through his worst atrocities, continued to help him develop weapons of mass destruction, didn't do anything to stop him gassing Kurds or anything else.

Sarky

Barbarians get Uncanny Dodge at Level 2 for free.

fragile

pork99 wrote:

What about the decapitated corpses found in each case? There have been about 5 or 6 Americans murdered like this in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. All fakes?

As I have already stated I have not seen all these videos and hence I am not in a position to comment authoratively, however I will say that the discovery of decapitated corpses does not authenticate the events in the video footage.

Gurgle

pork99 wrote:

Most Muslims are not terrorists. But it is also a fact that most terrorists are Muslims.

Congratulations, you've won first prize in the propaganda victim contest.

bananayoghurt wrote:

Gurgle wrote:

Its really not that far from the IRA grabbing unionists off the street, making them kneel over their own graves with their hands tied behind their back & shooting them in the back of the head.

if you are going to make comparisons why not make them real and not upon some figment of your imagination.

You are taking the piss, right ?

The IRA have kidnapped & murdered people.
Really, I'm not making that up.

pork99

Gurgle wrote:

Congratulations, you've won first prize in the propaganda victim contest.

I'm actually paraphrasing Abdulrahman al-Rashed manager of Arabic TV station Al-Arabia.

In a rare and candid self-criticism, Al-Rashed admitted, "Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism. [This is] a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40367

But when I read drivel like

And you are suprised? it is also a fact that most of the injustices that these terrorists are fighting against were created by Western powers.

I have to wonder who the real victim of propaganda is.

Gurgle

pork99 wrote:

I'm actually paraphrasing Abdulrahman al-Rashed manager of Arabic TV station Al-Arabia.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40367

Great, well done.
I'm not going to start arguing semantics.

pork99 wrote:

I have to wonder who the real victim of propaganda is.

Did you read the rest of the post you quoted from ?
Which part do you think isn't true ?

Deadwing

bananayoghurt wrote:

the nick berg one is sooo tame, check out the vids of the two yanks captured with the british guy, audio and video are way way better, the amount of blood those guys spew is amazin !!

Anybody else find that statement just a tad disturbing?

"Nah that beheading video is crap mate, you wanna check out dis one, you can actually hear the spine gettin severed! oid give it foive G rating!"

RossFixxxed

I made the same mistake. Except I watched them all. The Neapolese and the Eugene Armstrong ones are appaling. More than a 'few seconds' to die. Screaming, trying to breathe, horrible. The eyes opening on the head after it's cut off. God.

The Kenneth Bigley one is edited massively so there's actually VERY LITTLE decapitation footage. He was remarkable brave, for what that's worth. Wonder why they edited it, they did the same with Nick Berg but this one is basically him getting grabbed *cut* head in hands, Allah Akbar *dancing happy scumbags*.

Don't watch them. Don't search for them, these are the sites with "Brazilian Psycho Tortures 3 year old Girl" video clips on them (NO I didn't watch it). Appaling stuff. Although it's interesting to see the Saddam clips, the ones with the plastic shreader, the tied up people being fed to dogs while S and co sip wine and laugh away. The people having hands cut off and tongues pulled out for petty crimes out on the street. The whole thing is a ****ing disaster from start to finish!

therecklessone

Deadwing wrote:

Anybody else find that statement just a tad disturbing?

"Nah that beheading video is crap mate, you wanna check out dis one, you can actually hear the spine gettin severed! oid give it foive G rating!"

You're not alone. I was about to respond to the specific post, but said I'd read to the end of the thread before posting myself.

Its a pretty disturbing thing to say. TBH, words fail me when I'm faced with that level of ignorance.

pork99

Gurgle wrote:

Great, well done.
I'm not going to start arguing semantics.



Did you read the rest of the post you quoted from ?
Which part do you think isn't true ?

I just googled for info on Abdulrahman al-Rashed of Al-Arabia and found that site. I didn't realise Hal Lindsay seems to be of the Christian flavour of fundamentalist nutball.

This is probably a more balanced view

Outside View: Russia massacre will hurt Muslims By Youssef M. Ibrahim