Is it time RTE got off their ass?

Mike 1972

Minority ???

In my street about a third of the houses have pointed South. I see more $ky dishes than RTE aerials

Thats not been what I've seen when up north then...

Round Cable

Earthman wrote:

I told you, that you would have to show that RTÉ spend less than the licence fee on their public service programming in order to make a statement like that as if it was fact.

I can't do that because I don't have the figures what I'm basing that on is the fact that RTE Show the following programmes US:

7th Heaven
CSI
Friends
Scrubs
24

TV3 having nothing as good as this.

Elmo and Mike 1972 agree completly TG4 do so many things correctly

Home Programming
Underdogs
Amu le Hector

US Programming
The O.C.
Cold Case
Nip/Tuck (in 16:9)

This plus an unannoying DOG, Irelands best channel by a several miles

Elmo

BBC1 BBC2 BBC Choice (now BBC3) BBC Knowledge (Now BBC4) BBC News 24 BBC Parliament Radios 1 2 3 4 5 Ulster the World Service (and it was available on DTT and Freeview)

Ah but the number of stations are important.

The BBC have a bigger licence fee and up to 1998 (when did the digital stations start?) only had 2 TV Channels as do RTE currently, and have more people who pay the licence. So thus you are going to have to take in to account how many TV Channels they had in the UK.

1998
BBC 1 = RTE 1
BBC 2 = RTE 2

BBC Radio 1 - RTE Radio 1
BBC Radio 2 - RTE Radio 2 (2fm)
BBC Radio 3 - RTE Radio 3 (RnaG)
BBC Radio 4 - RTE Radio 4 (Lyric fm)
BBC Radio 5 - Atlantic 252/Sports Talk (Currently Radio 1)

I personally think with the amount of new TV stations the BBC are putting pressure on themselfs to produce good show on all of the stations.

Currently I feel that the BBC's standard of Good TV is on its way down. The only show that I currently watch on the BBC is "Waking the Dead" and maybe a comedy or two.

And generally speaking the BBC show most of BBC 4, BBC 3 and BBC News 24 on BBC 1 and BBC 2.

TV3 having nothing as good as this.

Corronation Street (Aver 500,000)
Emmerdale (Aver 250,000)
The Royal (Aver 150,000)
Heartbeat (Aver 200,000)
I'm a Celeb (Aver 300,000)
Ant And Dec (Aver 150,000)
Teachers (Granada for C4) (Ave 100,000)
Hell's Kitchen (Ave 150,000)

Vr USA on RTE

7th Heaven (Ave 200,000)
CSI (Ave 250,000)
Friends (Ave 250,000)
Scrubs (Ave 150,000)
24 (Ave 150,000)

And RTE have no access to Granada programming because they own TV3 and sell to TV3 at a cheaper rate. I think TV3 would take viewers over the shows you have mentioned. (Is 7th heaven good??????)

Oh don't forget TV3 american programming

Malcolm in The Middle (150,000)
Sex and the City (200,000)
Will and Grace (150,000)
Buffy (150,000)
Charmed (100,000)


(the numbers in brakets are the average amount of viewers each show gets)


I would get of my high horse but I am but only a lowly paddy from "Eire"

Round Cable

Elmo wrote:

And RTE have no access to Granada programming because they own TV3 and sell to TV3 at a cheaper rate. I think TV3 would take viewers over the shows you have mentioned. (Is 7th heaven good??????)

I wouldn't know I've never seen it, I was just picking big-mane US shows could also have added The Simpsons. All the programmes that do well for TV3 are hardly good, although that wouldn't stop most people. One reason the numbers are so high is perhaps because of the absence of UTV on Sky.

BTW thanks for that link to summerise some facts 2003
RTE made E91M (advertising) E5M (sponcership) E78,615,000 (TV liecence, if it was 150euro for a liecence in 2003, I think it was, it would mean that 524,100 househoulds paid out of 1.4M Census 2002, that's just 1/3)

RTE One + 2FM made a profit, while Network 2 and Radio 1 made a loss.

Home programming cost over E122M, what a waste
Irish programming aquired cost 349,000, this must be their yearly supply of Rus Na Run from TG4.
Foreign aquired programming cost just E23M, not so bad at all.

I costs E25 to brodcast for the year, E11M towards TG4.

After all this a net DEFICIT of E2,144,000.

grumpytrousers

GAH!!! THIS ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS!!!

sorry - i'll calm down. Obviously the 'RTE is crud' gang are gonna stick to their guns. Likewise the 'they're going okay' bunch. However, we seem, on this thread, to be perpetually moving the goalposts and any objectivity is gone out the window.

(Actually, in TV discussions, this always happens, so fret not!)

Y'see, it all depends on how we measure 'good' service. Some of us want decent homegrown programmes covering a broad range of topics and a bit of imported populist stuff. Some of us want *nowt* but imported American/UK toss. Some of us want those annoying BUGS removed from the screen and a decent digital service.

Nothing unreasonable in any of those - all equally valid viewpoints. But I'm not sure how much 'RTE getting off their arses' can really address all of them....show me a definition of 'decent' that ain't subjective. I haven't even mentioned the nightmare of doing research to find out just how *annoying* those bugs are...

When TV stations try and justify their output, they'll tend to initally point to critical acclaim. Especially if it's homegrown. In fact, you can have only 3 people watching a show on RTE and they'll crow about it, so long as
a) the three people were TV revieweres
b) they're all nice about it in the paper on Saturday

However, failing that, TV stations will tend to justify showing any old garbage on the grounds that it's what the public want. 'How can it be 'bad' if the public are watching it in such numbers?' goes the mantra.

(My own highbrow answer will tend to be 'Because there are a lot of idiots out there' )

ultimately, RTE has the collossal problems of being constantly 'marked' against BBC, whether they like it or not. 'BBC manages to do xyz...why can't RTE'. but more importantly, RTE actually has to compete with BBC, which the Beeb don't *really* have to do (except mainly in NI) , i.e. compete with RTE, and even if they did, wouldn't really bother 'em that much - 'I say Tarquin, shove on that Kielty chap, the bogtrotters in the colonies are getting uppity'.

Moreover, when RTE is done competing against BBC, there's still UTV/CH4 and all the satellites. As markets get more fragmented, and viewers more disloyal/discerning it becomes harder and harder to drive the advertising revenues up to improve the service...

Mind you, that tosser Ryan is well overpaid...:D

Elmo

Home programming cost over E122M, what a waste

I semi Agree with you and semi disagree with you.

On the side of Home Produced Programming: -

1. Employment, which gives money to people to go out and buy stuff and have spin off industries. (The economics of it all)
2. Some very good shows with some very good orginal Ideas, i.e The Resturant, The Clinic, The Panel, The Des Bishop Work Experience, etc.
3. A sports service for homegrown sport, Rubgy and GAA mainly.
4. A full news and current affairs service, Prime Time, Q&A, The week in politics. (On both Radio And TV)
5. Documentry series such as WYB, True Lifes and Arts Lifes which are not attractive to the commerical broadcasters.

On the bad side of Home Produced Programming: -

1. Big names such as Pat Kenny, Ryan Tub, Gerry Ryan etc. getting paid too much.
2. Some very bad shows such as Winning Streak, Fame And Fortune, The Lyrics Board (even if it was taken up by so many countries), Celeb Farm (which was sold to france as far as I know or at least they did something similar), Telly Bingo etc.
3. A sports service which doesn't cover small domestic games yet gives coverage to international sports which could easily have coverage over on commercial channels such as TV3.
4. The Big Bow Wow (Lets not say anymore) other then the lack of other home produced Drama lets bad drama cloud the good aspects of RTE.
5. Lack of air time given to young Irish musicans, except at 11:30 on a Tuesday night with Songs from another Room.

RTE made E91M (advertising)

I would have thought it was higher then this when you take into account all of their stations, radio and TV.

Foreign aquired programming cost just E23M, not so bad at all.

Indeed very low, I am surprised that TV3 cann't match that. I guess their too busy buying Granda programming.

Y'see, it all depends on how we measure 'good' service.

Indeed but we can all be realistic and realise that a "good" service is one which provides Important programming such as News and Current Affairs and also provides a choice to viewer with other programming.

In a dream Ireland RTE Would provide: -

1. A full news and current affairs service (which it basically does already)
2. Sporting events such as Irish Domestic Soccer, Irish Athetics etc.
3. A platform for Irish Entertainers, and not just on the late late show
4. A would provide a really alternative Irish service on N2, (Lets face it if we all want we can go out and buy a sat dish and pay up good money for cheap american imports.)

Round Cable

I agree with you not all of the E122 is a waste, news and current affairs RTE are true professionals when it comes to this area, I'd have to say even better than most Brittish news services.

On your list of good shows the only one I liked was The Des Bishop Work Experience, he himself was terribly annoying, however It was a good show, the retaurant is Ok, and the others I don't like.

The Lyrics Board should not be allowed on television, that show says something about RTE and how they resurrected it.

Big names should go get no-bodies with personality for a fraction of the price.

Sports, they don't do too bad there either, and Setanta are going to show some teams from the eircom league next year. Although while metioning Setanta it's an even bigger joke than RTE, sky viewers it's not worth a euro a month. Five minutes into the Liverpool match the had to go back to studio, they don't have an exciting panel for discussion, no widescreen, a badly used scorebord, it seems they really are Ireland fifth TV channel.

Elmo

On your list of good shows the only one I liked was The Des Bishop Work Experience, he himself was terribly annoying, however It was a good show, the retaurant is Ok, and the others I don't like.

2. Some very good shows with some very good orginal Ideas, i.e The Resturant, The Clinic, The Panel, The Des Bishop Work Experience, etc.

Y'see, it all depends on how we measure 'good' service.

While you may not like The Clinic, you cann't honestly find fault with it. I was a well produced show, with good young Irish Talented Actors who all deserve a brake.

The Panel, Ok i will give you Fiona Looney and I will not stop you if you feel like shotting her at any time.

DMC

Okie doke, we are arguing about about taste; one mans **** is another mans treasure etc...

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