speaking of plot holes.

Justice

anyone ever notice in the voyager episode "collective"
(Click here for episode description)

remember the baby that they rescued from the sphere becuase his chamber was malfunctioning. towards the end of the episode they beam the baby to voyager.
the doctor valiantly saves the baby borg.

then the baby just disappears. no further refernce to the baby in that episode and hasnt been in any since then. (tho the 4 kids remain characters for several more episodes)


biggest damn plot hole ive seen in ST. anyone got anyothers (not timeline ones, some fancy arguing will get script writers out of those conundrums)

bizmark

why is it a plot hole ? the fact that they didnt mention a baby again isnt such a big deal they used to do it all the time in tng kids would apear one day and be lost in a black hole the next you cant do many storys with young babys

_Kaiser_

anyone got anyothers (not timeline ones, some fancy arguing will get script writers out of those conundrums)

Here's one of my favorites.....

In the 2-part Voyager episode "Dark Frontier", where we get the whole back story on Seven's parents, at the start of the flashback we see little Annika happily playing in her father's office with.... a very detailed replica of a Borg cube!!

Now, seeing as this episode takes place years before Q introduces the Enterprise-D's crew to the Borg (confirmed later in the episode when her father makes a log entry), where did she/he get it then? Even if we assume that Starfleet immediately classified the information, I'm sure it would have been available to the Captain of the Federation's flagship???

bizmark

Ya well the berman and co never really gave a **** about the star trek timeline sevens family set out to find the borg something like 10 years before the federation even knew there WAS a race called the borg :rolleyes:

Amz

bizmark yer sig is huge!!

Stabshauptmann

Amz wrote:

bizmark yer sig is huge!!

Thats not a plot hole

Amz

Necromancer wrote:

Thats not a plot hole

Ah you got me!
Well spotted...

Stabshauptmann

Mybe he is using his oversized sig to fill the plotholes?

Stark

bizmark wrote:

why is it a plot hole ? the fact that they didnt mention a baby again isnt such a big deal they used to do it all the time in tng kids would apear one day and be lost in a black hole the next you cant do many storys with young babys

I wish they made Naomi Wildeman disappear like that

seamus

bizmark wrote:

Ya well the berman and co never really gave a **** about the star trek timeline sevens family set out to find the borg something like 10 years before the federation even knew there WAS a race called the borg :rolleyes:

I thought they had covered that?

These guys were pretty much the experts on the borg, yet the federation didn't listen to them, and even they themselves weren't exactly sure of what the Borg were. Once they started any serious study, they were well out of federation space and in contact with no-one. I thought they had made it quite clear that when she was assimilated, the Borg were a myth, known about by few, and taken seriously by even fewer.

bizmark

Amz wrote:

bizmark yer sig is huge!!

But with in siggy rules i could tone it down though tis a tad large

I thought they had covered that?

Ya but the walking libery data of all people would know of the borg even if its just a myth and he would have a drawing/picture/idea of what there ships look like in his memory seeming sevens family had such a detailed model ...or at lest i think so anyway

Amz

Thanks hon'

bizmark

Amz wrote:

Thanks hon'

Np prob babe

User45701

Kaiser2000 wrote:

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Here's one of my favorites.....

In the 2-part Voyager episode "Dark Frontier", where we get the whole back story on Seven's parents, at the start of the flashback we see little Annika happily playing in her father's office with.... a very detailed replica of a Borg cube!!

Now, seeing as this episode takes place years before Q introduces the Enterprise-D's crew to the Borg (confirmed later in the episode when her father makes a log entry), where did she/he get it then? Even if we assume that Starfleet immediately classified the information, I'm sure it would have been available to the Captain of the Federation's flagship???

I always assumed the reason for the borg being classafied is the same as the reason for 8472 being classfied. I bet piccard dosent know about 8472

seamus wrote:

I thought they had covered that?

These guys were pretty much the experts on the borg, yet the federation didn't listen to them, and even they themselves weren't exactly sure of what the Borg were. Once they started any serious study, they were well out of federation space and in contact with no-one. I thought they had made it quite clear that when she was assimilated, the Borg were a myth, known about by few, and taken seriously by even fewer.

Yes that also makes sence because in that episode Sevens Father said "im beginnign to think the borg are nothing more than roumer and sensor ghost"

bizmark

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I always assumed the reason for the borg being classafied is the same as the reason for 8472 being classfied. I bet piccard dosent know about 8472

Ya makes perfect sence for the captian of the flagship the most powerful ship in the fleet to have no idea about S 8472...i mean why would he all goverments keep there militry in the dark about threats :rolleyes:

Stabshauptmann

bizmark wrote:

But with in siggy rules

Eh, no it wasnt, your only allowed 6 text lines, wether you put txt in them or press space youve used a line, so it was the way you seperated your sig that made it huge.

Justice

bizmark wrote:

i mean why would he all goverments keep there militry in the dark about threats

well jean luc would be the first to say that the enterprise is not a military ship.
but i dont see a problem with sevens parents tracking the borg. as was said previously there was no contact between them and the fedaration, they were in the delta quadrant as well.

im still sticking by my opinion that the missing baby is a plot hole, by virtue of the fact that the other 4 were kept on.

User45701

bizmark wrote:

Ya makes perfect sence for the captian of the flagship the most powerful ship in the fleet to have no idea about S 8472...i mean why would he all goverments keep there militry in the dark about threats :rolleyes:

Hmm bad example, mabe piccard knows but it wouldent be comon knowalage
Thetre is actual evidence of 8472 existing when the hansons went looking for tyhe borg they where just roumer (from the el orians) and other spicies.

as a matter of facgt that makes perfect sence the federation DID know of the borg LONG before the enterprise encounterd that cube by Q

bizmark

Justice wrote:

well jean luc would be the first to say that the enterprise is not a military ship.
but i dont see a problem with sevens parents tracking the borg. as was said previously there was no contact between them and the fedaration, they were in the delta quadrant as well.

im still sticking by my opinion that the missing baby is a plot hole, by virtue of the fact that the other 4 were kept on.

Picard can say what he wants about the enterprise but at the end of the day its a warship starfleet doubles as the militry when the **** hits the fan.

Stark

im still sticking by my opinion that the missing baby is a plot hole, by virtue of the fact that the other 4 were kept on.

Not totally sure but I think there was a "blink and you'll miss it" moment where Janeway mentions that they encountered members of the baby's species and handed it over to them.

bizmark

as a matter of facgt that makes perfect sence the federation DID know of the borg LONG before the enterprise encounterd that cube by Q

It does make sense your right as far back as the Enterprise-B's time starfleet should of had some idea about the borg (see St :Generations) . But i still find it crazy just because starfleet didn’t believe the rumors no one not even data knew about the Borg no info must of even being available in the computer of the ship either madness.

Justice

Stark wrote:

Not totally sure but I think there was a "blink and you'll miss it" moment where Janeway mentions that they encountered members of the baby's species and handed it over to them.

ive rewatched that episode, there is no further ref to the baby after its shown in the doctors arms.

i take ur point bizmark,
i still feel their is enuf wiggle room relating to the borg that the writters could legitimately argue their way out of it.

but if these are the only holes we can come up with then the writers have to be commended.

ilkhanid

If it's plot holes, inconsistencies, anachronisms,contradictions etc ye want,the place to go are Phil Farrands Star Trek Nitpickers Guides. He has more than you can shake a stick at.

doctor_gonzo

There is a major plothole when Chekov goes down to the planet in Wrath of Khan and has a bit of a fit when he realises the man himself is there. And then when they meet (before the worm-ear bit..ugh) where Khan says, "Pavel Chekov, I never forget a face!" But if you watch the episode in the original series where they first meet Khan, Chekov wasn't part of the crew...so he couldn't have remembered him at all...;)

Vokes

^ Wasn't part of the bridge crew. Coulda met him below decks

Slice

Though not strictly a plot hole; in that Voyager episode where Seven thinks there's a conspiracy involved in Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant they never explained the presence of the two tricobalt devices on board the ship that was used to destroy the Caretaker's array. Seven did say they're not standard issue on a Federation ship. Personally I thought that episode should have left a few more things a bit more open ended instead of pinning it all on Seven going mental as that would have been a whole lot more interesting.

The biggest plothole I can think of is where Scotty comes on board the Enterprise D and is unaware of Kirk's death only to be onboard the Enterprise B when he's sucked into the nexus in ST Generations.

Stabshauptmann

Could the maquis not have had the tricobalt? They'd be fond of blowing things up

Anti

Slice wrote: »

Though not strictly a plot hole; in that Voyager episode where Seven thinks there's a conspiracy involved in Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant they never explained the presence of the two tricobalt devices on board the ship that was used to destroy the Caretaker's array. Seven did say they're not standard issue on a Federation ship. Personally I thought that episode should have left a few more things a bit more open ended instead of pinning it all on Seven going mental as that would have been a whole lot more interesting.

The biggest plothole I can think of is where Scotty comes on board the Enterprise D and is unaware of Kirk's death only to be onboard the Enterprise B when he's sucked into the nexus in ST Generations.

Wasnt the timliens restored at the end of that story ? As in the rift never happened, ergo kirk is still alive?

User45701

no, he died on nurranda III but if you want to find out what happened to kirk william shatner wrote 6 books, the first of which takes place moments after the end of generations

starn

In Star Trek Insurection. Geordis body begins to reject the VISOR, and he grows new eyes. All down to the strange X rays in Briar Patch. Yet Jean Luc dosent keel over and die as his body grows a new heart and rejects his artificail one.

somuj

starn wrote: »

In Star Trek Insurection. Geordis body begins to reject the VISOR, and he grows new eyes. All down to the strange X rays in Briar Patch. Yet Jean Luc dosent keel over and die as his body grows a new heart and rejects his artificail one.

Dats so funny:D and also why didn't he have a big bushy head of hair at the end of the movie

Cookie_Monster

starn wrote: »

In Star Trek Insurection. Geordis body begins to reject the VISOR, and he grows new eyes. All down to the strange X rays in Briar Patch. Yet Jean Luc dosent keel over and die as his body grows a new heart and rejects his artificail one.

Thats cos his eyes are still there albiet non functional and they begin to regenerate themselves, whereas Picards heart is entirely missing and as such has nothing to regenerate from.

Slice

Thinking of plot holes I just remembered in that Voyager two-parter 'Basics' where the ship is taken over by the Kazon there's a part where the Doctor asks the ship's computer how many people are on the ship and the computer answers that there's however many Kazon and one Betazed (Suder) but fails to mention Seska or her half Cardasian child...

starn

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Thats cos his eyes are still there albiet non functional and they begin to regenerate themselves, whereas Picards heart is entirely missing and as such has nothing to regenerate from.

Christ this is going to sound pedantic. But did Geordi have the his eyes and visor replaced with prosthetic implants. Much like Picards ticker

jhegarty

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

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Here's one of my favorites.....

In the 2-part Voyager episode "Dark Frontier", where we get the whole back story on Seven's parents, at the start of the flashback we see little Annika happily playing in her father's office with.... a very detailed replica of a Borg cube!!

Now, seeing as this episode takes place years before Q introduces the Enterprise-D's crew to the Borg (confirmed later in the episode when her father makes a log entry), where did she/he get it then? Even if we assume that Starfleet immediately classified the information, I'm sure it would have been available to the Captain of the Federation's flagship???

The timeline in which Q introduced the federation to the borg was altered in first contact.

The borg go back in time , setting up our introduction in this timeline we see in enterprise.

User45701

yes... and the events in enterprise lead the borg to send a ship - which q sent the eneterprise to and thus proved what piccard suspects about him, that q has always had a certin facination with humanity.

q sending the enterpise 2 the first cube encounter lead the federation to start devolopting better weapons and ships like the akira nd the defiant

Amtmann

The Next Phase - AKA The one where Geordi and Ensign Ro become invisible and can pass through walls and doors, yet somehow manage to walk around without falling through the ship's floors, deck by deck, until they reach space.

Also, how could they breathe air in that episode?

Amtmann

Rawr

Furet wrote: »

Hilarious
Nice one Furet